[{"text": "all right let's not uh waste any more time with this I will'll call this mean order and uh I believe we have regrets", "start": 0.919, "end": 8.639}, {"text": "today from councelor Chisum councelor Elgar councelor Longo and councelor om", "start": 8.639, "end": 14.16}, {"text": "recording in", "start": 14.16, "end": 16.839}, {"text": "progress oh there he is thank you for joining us councelor CH do we have any", "start": 19.4, "end": 25.08}, {"text": "Declarations of Peary interest all right well we have no", "start": 25.08, "end": 30.84}, {"text": "consent or no confidential consent items let's get straight to 5.1 which is delegations on the operating and capital", "start": 30.84, "end": 38.52}, {"text": "budget and the first name on our list today is Miss Tara Wong from the public", "start": 38.52, "end": 46.399}, {"text": "library good afternoon chair Grant and members of the budget committee um I do have a presentation that I'm hoping will", "start": 54.559, "end": 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"expectations for this new facility we heard how much they loved accessing our collection participating", "start": 212.4, "end": 219.2}, {"text": "in our programs and just being able to study work and relax in our spaces we also heard our family oriented", "start": 219.2, "end": 226.2}, {"text": "Community consistently emphasize their desire for spaces that Foster creativity Innovation and stem learning", "start": 226.2, "end": 232.56}, {"text": "opportunities for their children this feedback this feedback led us to include three creative spaces in the new 16 mile", "start": 232.56, "end": 238.92}, {"text": "design a creation Zone which provides everyone access to creative tools such as sewing machines laser cutters Button", "start": 238.92, "end": 245.56}, {"text": "making Cricut equipment and even 3D printers 3D printers and 3D modeling software the creation Zone at Glen Abbey", "start": 245.56, "end": 252.599}, {"text": "has been quite successful and we have taken our learnings from 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"the activation of the three spaces I mentioned Additionally the budget only allows for the new 16 mile to be open 47", "start": 339.24, "end": 345.199}, {"text": "hours a week versus the 66 hours that is a standard at our Glenn ABY and erar ridge", "start": 345.199, "end": 350.919}, {"text": "branches with our productive and lean team we envision the possibilities for 16 Mile and now opl along with the opl", "start": 350.919, "end": 357.16}, {"text": "board we need council's assistance and bringing that vision to", "start": 357.16, "end": 361.96}, {"text": "life at their September meeting the opl board passed a motion that recommended Council provide an additional $310,500", "start": 362.319, "end": 369.199}, {"text": "the 2025 operating budget to fully fund the operating costs of the new 16 Mile", "start": 369.199, "end": 376.039}, {"text": "Branch with this funding we can make the final and necessary investment in Staffing and space to support oakville's", "start": 376.039, "end": 381.4}, {"text": "youth entrepreneurs as well as the plan growth in the residents that brings as of the end of September 55% of", "start": 381.4, "end": 388.919}, {"text": "oaki residents use the library that number has increased 3% since the beginning of", "start": 388.919, "end": 394.12}, {"text": "2024 additionally we are above our pre-pandemic performance measured in almost all areas and continue to see", "start": 394.12, "end": 399.96}, {"text": "strong community support from residents all this allows me to confidently say that an investment in OFA Public Library", "start": 399.96, "end": 405.96}, {"text": "is an investment in Oakville itself as oakville's Flagship location for Sport Recreation learning and", "start": 405.96, "end": 411.52}, {"text": "Innovation 160 m Sports Complex will highlight the very best of the town and I'm here today to ask that it also", "start": 411.52, "end": 417.08}, {"text": "include the very best of the Oakville Public Library to do this we need to 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that recommendation that came forward um I", "start": 476.319, "end": 483.24}, {"text": "just would like to fles a little bit more information so as part of this process um and just I don't have the", "start": 483.24, "end": 489.28}, {"text": "numbers in front of me we also made some adjustments in terms of uh using uh", "start": 489.28, "end": 495}, {"text": "development reserves to fund a couple other areas that we were unable to I believe on collections is that not", "start": 495, "end": 500.84}, {"text": "correct um do we do we not have to we had to we had to make good from within our own resources as well a little bit I", "start": 500.84, "end": 507.319}, {"text": "believe in order to achieve some of the other things that we able to do through the budget can you reconfirm that yeah", "start": 507.319, "end": 513.039}, {"text": "so last year is part of the 2024 budget um recognizing The increased Demand on", "start": 513.039, "end": 519.36}, {"text": "our Glenn Abbey Branch as a 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and Beyond if we were to have that Gap in funding uh in 2025 is that correct that's correct yeah", "start": 603.16, "end": 610.64}, {"text": "um and in terms of those services that we built into the uh the new Branch", "start": 610.64, "end": 615.88}, {"text": "those were all services that were highly valued through uh research and consultation with our clients the", "start": 615.88, "end": 622.56}, {"text": "taxpayers uh leading up to the development of that initial opening concept is that correct that is um as I", "start": 622.56, "end": 629.04}, {"text": "mentioned mentioned when we initially um were designing the program for 16 mile back in 2020 2021 this came up um it", "start": 629.04, "end": 637.16}, {"text": "actually came up again when we did the Strategic plan um and in fact we heard quite a bit about the creation Zone and", "start": 637.16, "end": 643.399}, {"text": "creative spaces again um through the validation of the master plan that we just did in June um so this has 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clients or patrons now to be able to access these resources is there any", "start": 686.32, "end": 691.92}, {"text": "additional capacity to absorb um the demand so Glenn Abby um has gone", "start": 691.92, "end": 697.16}, {"text": "undergone a number of tweaks in order to try to meet the demand that we face at 16 M some of the challenges that we Face", "start": 697.16, "end": 703.88}, {"text": "directly related to The Creation Zone um is that the initial startup phase with customers requires quite a bit of", "start": 703.88, "end": 709.839}, {"text": "interaction with staff they want to come in they want to learn how to use the serger the sewing machines the 3D", "start": 709.839, "end": 715.32}, {"text": "printer the 3D modeling software um and they tend to come with projects in mind mind um and so it can take a little bit", "start": 715.32, "end": 721.639}, {"text": "while a little while as we shepher those people into being independent users of that equipment um but it does it does", "start": 721.639, "end": 728.12}, {"text": "happen and then we get new ones um I will say that and the board will see this um at the board meeting next week", "start": 728.12, "end": 733.639}, {"text": "that as of the Q3 stats for 2024 we have seen a over a 300% increase in the usage", "start": 733.639, "end": 741.16}, {"text": "um of the creation Zone at Glen ABY okay and just moving uh turning to your comments with respect to the hours of", "start": 741.16, "end": 747.639}, {"text": "operation so the the uh uh inability to fund at the level that we originally", "start": 747.639, "end": 753.079}, {"text": "anticipated reduces the number of operating hours that we would be able to operate that Branch at correct that is", "start": 753.079, "end": 759.399}, {"text": "correct and what's that number again just repeat that for me it would be 47 um it's 66 is what currently we have at", "start": 759.399, "end": 764.839}, {"text": "our Glen ABI and eridge and what do we have currently at the 16 mile uh temporary Branch so it is 47 um uh just", "start": 764.839, "end": 773}, {"text": "for context when we originally opened uh 16 M it was in partnership with Recreation so uh for example Wednesdays", "start": 773, "end": 780.079}, {"text": "the library opens at noon um and the idea being that Recreation programming would run out of there in the morning um", "start": 780.079, "end": 786}, {"text": "so we've kept those hours um but it does mean restricted there we aren't open some mornings and we want aren't open", "start": 786, "end": 791.72}, {"text": "some evenings um and moving into the 16 mile Sports Complex facility we believe that would be quite a challenge not to", "start": 791.72, "end": 797.639}, {"text": "be open um the same hours as Glen ABY and iqua ridge given what we can expect it to be as busy as as the new facility", "start": 797.639, "end": 804.279}, {"text": "would be and the last question is um can you just this isn't a question request could you remind Council or the", "start": 804.279, "end": 811.04}, {"text": "committee I should say uh as to where we stand in the uh uh pecking order of uh", "start": 811.04, "end": 817.36}, {"text": "most love services in this community um I believe we are second under Parks", "start": 817.36, "end": 823.279}, {"text": "second okay thank you very much I appreciate your", "start": 823.279, "end": 827.92}, {"text": "presentation next we have councelor hasal thank you that's a hard act to follow", "start": 835.759, "end": 842}, {"text": "well done counselor n um I just have a few clarifications so in terms of", "start": 842, "end": 847.72}, {"text": "collections in the budget that you have submitted before the additional ask was", "start": 847.72, "end": 853.8}, {"text": "there an investment in uh continuing to ensure our collections are growing", "start": 853.8, "end": 861.8}, {"text": "no um and so last year we took you took some money out of development can you", "start": 861.8, "end": 867.839}, {"text": "just give us a little bit of com context around that are those dollars what are those development", "start": 867.839, "end": 873.759}, {"text": "dollars so in um 2023 we provided the board uh with uh a full collections", "start": 873.759, "end": 881.519}, {"text": "overview um with a plan to bring our collections up to standard um and that ask was an extra $100,000 a year um for", "start": 881.519, "end": 888.92}, {"text": "the next five years we got that 100,000 last year into 2024 um however due to", "start": 888.92, "end": 894.279}, {"text": "the pressures we've removed it from this year from the request for 2025 so we'll have to look look at development funds", "start": 894.279, "end": 899.88}, {"text": "for the 2025 in order to be able to to maintain um current levels of service regard The Collection just for clarity", "start": 899.88, "end": 906.56}, {"text": "with those development funds come from um they come from fundraising that the library participates in our book sales", "start": 906.56, "end": 914}, {"text": "um our our donors in the community so right now the current uh proposed budget", "start": 914, "end": 921.32}, {"text": "before the additional ask doesn't allow for us to keep uh our collections up to", "start": 921.32, "end": 927.519}, {"text": "date or to I think the word you use the standard that is", "start": 927.519, "end": 933.24}, {"text": "correct okay um my other uh question is just around uh services to other", "start": 933.24, "end": 939.56}, {"text": "libraries so um 60 miles going to be fabulous and all the work that's been", "start": 939.56, "end": 945.16}, {"text": "done um you know it's it's it's going to be a very great point of Pride for a lot", "start": 945.16, "end": 950.92}, {"text": "of people if we make this investment now it's in perpetuity right we're going to", "start": 950.92, "end": 957.36}, {"text": "have to continue to to to maintain that so a future Library we're going to H", "start": 957.36, "end": 963.72}, {"text": "need to calculate those additional costs in was that factored into the master", "start": 963.72, "end": 969.56}, {"text": "plan the operating impacts yes not into the master plan but when we do um submit", "start": 969.56, "end": 976.24}, {"text": "the the capital budget we do include operating impacts um so back in 2020 or", "start": 976.24, "end": 981.56}, {"text": "2021 um we did put in the operating estimated operating impacts for 16 Mile and we have stayed um within that uh", "start": 981.56, "end": 989.44}, {"text": "including the ask that we're making today so what you projected that we would need was already in the forast but", "start": 989.44, "end": 997.88}, {"text": "we're not budgeting enough dollars to support it did I get that right I'm not sure I can speak to how it's budgeted", "start": 997.88, "end": 1004.04}, {"text": "but I do know that we provided um our estimates uh for what the operating impact of the 16 mile Capital project", "start": 1004.04, 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operating budget is approved for one", "start": 1055.919, "end": 1062.4}, {"text": "year at a time so I hope that helps think", "start": 1062.4, "end": 1068.4}, {"text": "so clearer um my last and final question is it is the current budget without the", "start": 1068.4, "end": 1075.159}, {"text": "additional ask uh causing any uh low lowering of services in the other", "start": 1075.159, "end": 1081.12}, {"text": "libraries across town it does require us to eliminate", "start": 1081.12, "end": 1086.2}, {"text": "approximately 1.5 FTE from corporate", "start": 1086.2, "end": 1091.48}, {"text": "departments W thanks for coming out and helping us understand the", "start": 1092.28, "end": 1099.36}, {"text": "needa thank you through you chair Grant um thank you Tara for the presentation", "start": 1106.72, "end": 1111.76}, {"text": "and we are very excited about having 16 Mile come up and I know we had discussed", "start": 1111.76, "end": 1116.799}, {"text": "this before that you know we need more of the operating budget so I think this is just in relation to councelor has the", "start": 1116.799, "end": 1123.36}, {"text": "feel's last question I was going to say uh can you remind us um for 47 hours", "start": 1123.36, "end": 1129.44}, {"text": "versus 66 how many F how many how much staff do we have um for 47 hours and how", "start": 1129.44, "end": 1136.72}, {"text": "many we require to bring up to 66", "start": 1136.72, "end": 1141.919}, {"text": "hours so in terms of of of Staffing just give me one sec I got", "start": 1141.919, "end": 1148.88}, {"text": "that um currently the current 16 Mile Branch", "start": 1148.88, "end": 1153.919}, {"text": "has uh just over five FTE to support it um the current uh budget that's in your", "start": 1153.919, "end": 1159.52}, {"text": "budget book would bring an additional 2.7 FTE on um and then we would be", "start": 1159.52, "end": 1164.919}, {"text": "looking to add in uh another uh two as part of the ask that that I brought 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1236.679}, {"text": "absolutely no doubt about the fact that's not my slide that they're dying", "start": 1236.679, "end": 1243.12}, {"text": "but the problem is that we are hoping that Council will pay for The", "start": 1243.12, "end": 1249.84}, {"text": "Replacements because at the moment we've been told that yes they're dying but", "start": 1249.84, "end": 1255.799}, {"text": "you're responsible for replacing them I", "start": 1255.799, "end": 1262.639}, {"text": "have yes please", "start": 1287, "end": 1290.52}, {"text": "thank you Mr chair uh the crab apple trees are they on Town property or are they on private property they're on Town", "start": 1294.919, "end": 1301.32}, {"text": "property thank you okay now you can see that we have a picture there of one and", "start": 1301.32, "end": 1307.08}, {"text": "that was taken Midsummer could you please show the next slide", "start": 1307.08, "end": 1313.52}, {"text": "I'm representing all of the six owners but there's two of us who have", "start": 1328.2, "end": 1333.52}, {"text": "desperately tried to get some help we prepared this presentation to reach out", "start": 1333.52, "end": 1339.08}, {"text": "to you to share our level of exasperation as we've been dealing with sick trees on our frog properties for", "start": 1339.08, "end": 1346.4}, {"text": "several years family my neighbors have lived here since 2007 and have been dealing with", "start": 1346.4, "end": 1353.64}, {"text": "this problem ever since they have tried all sorts of strategies like getting in", "start": 1353.64, "end": 1358.84}, {"text": "their own arborist using sprays to try and help but uh nothing has help these", "start": 1358.84, "end": 1364.88}, {"text": "trees I moved to Oakville in 2017 and I love it here and I'm very very happy", "start": 1364.88, "end": 1371.08}, {"text": "that this was the decision I made but I'm extremely frustrated because I'm a gardener and I spend a lot of time", "start": 1371.08, "end": 1378.52}, {"text": "working in my garden and this tree at the front is dead so please could you", "start": 1378.52, "end": 1384.919}, {"text": "show us the next slide so I've already said they the", "start": 1384.919, "end": 1390.96}, {"text": "Albright's paid for a private arborist we've called the town forestry team and", "start": 1390.96, "end": 1396.159}, {"text": "they've been extremely supportive they have sprayed uh with all sorts of interesting sprays at SM like garlic", "start": 1396.159, "end": 1403.32}, {"text": "because they're natural and in full support of that but this year when they", "start": 1403.32, "end": 1408.6}, {"text": "came they concurred that these trees have scab and that replacing them is the", "start": 1408.6, "end": 1414.6}, {"text": "next appropriate step there is no way that they are getting better and last", "start": 1414.6, "end": 1420.64}, {"text": "year next slide please last year when they flowered I just that's not our tree that", "start": 1420.64, "end": 1427.559}, {"text": "last year when they flowed they were lovely for about 10 minutes and then all the blossoms fell and that was the end", "start": 1427.559, "end": 1434.4}, {"text": "of it uh this is the tree across the street from us that we wish we had this", "start": 1434.4, "end": 1440.64}, {"text": "is what trees should provide shade uh cooling effect on the lawn they should", "start": 1440.64, "end": 1446.2}, {"text": "look lovely and perhaps they could give us some privacy but that is not what we", "start": 1446.2, "end": 1451.84}, {"text": "have next slide please this is my tree and this picture was taken", "start": 1451.84, "end": 1458.679}, {"text": "Midsummer what our trees give us is a mess they create a mess at our front", "start": 1458.679, "end": 1465.08}, {"text": "Lawns and Boulevard that we are cleaning and sweeping constantly and they really affect the", "start": 1465.08, "end": 1471.44}, {"text": "enjoyment of our homes could you please show me the next slide this picture will", "start": 1471.44, "end": 1477.96}, {"text": "show you what it's like constantly see all the Dead Leaves there it's", "start": 1477.96, "end": 1483.44}, {"text": "constantly Dead Leaves this was taken Midsummer next slide", "start": 1483.44, "end": 1489.159}, {"text": "please this picture was taken in the spring and if you look where the arrows", "start": 1489.159, "end": 1494.2}, {"text": "show this Dead Leaves there in the spring it's just con a mess and absolutely no redeeming", "start": 1494.2, "end": 1502.399}, {"text": "features next slide please in the summer I met mayor Burton", "start": 1502.399, "end": 1508.24}, {"text": "at a special event and I asked him if he would come and visit us and very kindly in August 27th he did come his first", "start": 1508.24, "end": 1516.72}, {"text": "comment when he arrived was wow you really hit the jackpot with these trees", "start": 1516.72, "end": 1522.559}, {"text": "and that's the state it is there are six there they are a mess he 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the ash trees and this was different as the pest could have", "start": 1575.24, "end": 1580.279}, {"text": "spread to other trees but these trees have a terminal condition and it doesn't", "start": 1580.279, "end": 1586.159}, {"text": "spread from One Tree to another it's intrinsic in them but we would like them", "start": 1586.159, "end": 1591.76}, {"text": "replaced peace and I believe that's the end is there another slide", "start": 1591.76, "end": 1598.159}, {"text": "okay we understand that there are perhaps 2500 crab apple trees amongst", "start": 1598.159, "end": 1603.88}, {"text": "the oakal canopy but perhaps these sick trees could be replaced on residents", "start": 1603.88, "end": 1609.32}, {"text": "requests so you wouldn't have to replace all 2500 at once and we on dalebrook", "start": 1609.32, "end": 1614.6}, {"text": "drive would really like it if you could come by and right now of course there's no leaves so", "start": 1614.6, "end": 1621}, {"text": "it's too late for this year but if you could consider replacing these trees please we would be very happy and I", "start": 1621, "end": 1627.84}, {"text": "would be a proud Oakville Gardener because certainly at the moment my", "start": 1627.84, "end": 1633.2}, {"text": "garden is a mess with that dead tree thank you do you have any", "start": 1633.2, "end": 1638.88}, {"text": "questions okay yes", "start": 1638.88, "end": 1645.08}, {"text": "there maybe we're on I can hear you now you can hear me the question is can everybody online also hear me okay I'm", "start": 1659.96, "end": 1666.36}, {"text": "getting a thumbs up excellent thank you very much for delegating and providing uh the slides I think the pictures are U", "start": 1666.36, "end": 1673.399}, {"text": "very accurate in their depiction of uh what you've got on your front Lawns and have had for a number of years uh for my", "start": 1673.399, "end": 1680.799}, {"text": "council's benefit uh I think I've been interacting with you and others on this", "start": 1680.799, "end": 1686.799}, {"text": "matter going back certainly pre pandemic oh for sure long before the pandemic", "start": 1686.799, "end": 1692.12}, {"text": "long before the pandemic so it's been not quite a few years that we've been talking about the various stages of um", "start": 1692.12, "end": 1698.72}, {"text": "these trees and uh generally speaking our staff have said that uh if we were", "start": 1698.72, "end": 1704.679}, {"text": "to do it again we probably wouldn't be planting this variety of trees in in this location no uh and so what I'd like", "start": 1704.679, "end": 1711.08}, {"text": "to ask is our staff to uh provide some background to us on this particular location there's a for everybody's help", "start": 1711.08, "end": 1719.519}, {"text": "uh there's it's a strip of maybe a couple hundred meters worth of Street that's affected by this particular issue", "start": 1719.519, "end": 1726.799}, {"text": "uh and I think it would benefit by 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committee or Council to convene a meeting of key Stak holders", "start": 2301.72, "end": 2308.48}, {"text": "to the project and town staff to make necessary changes to ensure the square refresh continues to fill its intended", "start": 2308.48, "end": 2316.24}, {"text": "purpose stays on current timeline and with any luck delivers under budget", "start": 2316.24, "end": 2322.119}, {"text": "thank you very", "start": 2322.119, "end": 2324.599}, {"text": "much councelor dck you first thank okay thank you thank you", "start": 2327.839, "end": 2333.92}, {"text": "very much George okay just so I understand what the ask is I know that", "start": 2333.92, "end": 2339.64}, {"text": "staff um did considerable public consultation on this issue um to the", "start": 2339.64, "end": 2345.8}, {"text": "point if I'm not mistaken that they sort of went over budget in terms of the", "start": 2345.8, "end": 2351.119}, {"text": "consultation in order to make it uh uh a success so you're not asking for a", "start": 2351.119, "end": 2357.88}, {"text": "complete doover you're just asking for a tuneup given that the um the area has", "start": 2357.88, "end": 2364.96}, {"text": "changed thankfully as a result of investment that took place in downtown", "start": 2364.96, "end": 2370.119}, {"text": "Oakville and so maybe there's not the need or demand to deliver some of the", "start": 2370.119, "end": 2375.64}, {"text": "enticements that at the time were perceived to do just that Revitalize", "start": 2375.64, "end": 2381.16}, {"text": "downtown it's got a new flavor to itself is that correct I think that's exactly", "start": 2381.16, "end": 2386.839}, {"text": "right yeah okay thank you ccor how's it feel thanks very much", "start": 2386.839, "end": 2394.8}, {"text": "for coming out um my question is for Chris Mark if he's still", "start": 2394.8, "end": 2400.64}, {"text": "here Chris um so we know that you worked really hard and actually extended", "start": 2405.64, "end": 2411.8}, {"text": "considerable effort through that consultation period um is there a time", "start": 2411.8, "end": 2418.16}, {"text": "um limit on uh if we could convene this key stakeholders the folks who were sort", "start": 2418.16, "end": 2425.48}, {"text": "of there at those final decisions if we could convene that is there a time limit", "start": 2425.48, "end": 2430.76}, {"text": "uh to getting that done in order to stay on track for Town Square being uh", "start": 2430.76, "end": 2436.64}, {"text": "refreshed this year uh through you chair", "start": 2436.64, "end": 2442}, {"text": "Grant ideally we should be tendering the project if we want to start this fall", "start": 2442, "end": 2448.68}, {"text": "after the conclusion of the really at the outdoor patio season uh we need to be out the door with a tender in I'd say", "start": 2448.68, "end": 2456.599}, {"text": "no later than March middle of March to the end of March that means I need to deliver the tender to purchasing", "start": 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to redo the drawings and uh prepare them for the uh for the tender", "start": 2560.68, "end": 2567.28}, {"text": "but I would say we might have about a month to six weeks um to get on with um", "start": 2567.28, "end": 2574.599}, {"text": "any kind of revisions we want to do to the pack okay thank you for adding that", "start": 2574.599, "end": 2580.4}, {"text": "clarification thank you mayor", "start": 2580.4, "end": 2584.279}, {"text": "Burton thank you Mr chair it's", "start": 2588.8, "end": 2594.8}, {"text": "working great", "start": 2594.8, "end": 2598.96}, {"text": "um so Mr Mark uh in your answer uh that you've got at most 4 to", "start": 2600.28, "end": 2607.28}, {"text": "six weeks to to meet the uh timetable uh that would mean that we'd", "start": 2607.28, "end": 2613.359}, {"text": "want this process finished before the end of the year correct through your chair grad ideally yes okay thank you um", "start": 2613.359, "end": 2622.72}, {"text": "George uh the only thing that troubles me about this is the the fact that we're", "start": 2622.72, "end": 2628.359}, {"text": "going to be setting aside the public consultation that was so extensive and uh I I worry about leaving out any", "start": 2628.359, "end": 2637.2}, {"text": "consultation step after the key stakeholders have made their edits to", "start": 2637.2, "end": 2642.559}, {"text": "the design uh that's that's a troubling part for me so can you can I sense that you", "start": 2642.559, "end": 2651.24}, {"text": "uh may have already talked to the key stakeholders and you mentioned two things that you wanted to edit uh the", "start": 2651.24, "end": 2659.16}, {"text": "two large Planters and the water feature that would be idle half the year are there any other edits already identified", "start": 2659.16, "end": 2668.599}, {"text": "there are a couple yeah I mean so we have a drawing that shows everything we", "start": 2669.839, "end": 2676}, {"text": "can hand that to uh Chris Mark right away uh in 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{"text": "to six weeks by having a a meeting with the key stakeholders and then", "start": 2742.44, "end": 2747.839}, {"text": "circulating to the public this this edit and uh and and try to satisfy the town's", "start": 2747.839, "end": 2754.76}, {"text": "commitment to consultation on a broad level for something that is after all uh", "start": 2754.76, "end": 2761.68}, {"text": "I think everybody in town considers to be a townwide yes uh attraction uh and then I'll close so so", "start": 2761.68, "end": 2769.119}, {"text": "if you're agreed with that then I think staff and I can can organize that and", "start": 2769.119, "end": 2775.839}, {"text": "maybe we can get to a quick and uh satisfactory outcome and I'll just close", "start": 2775.839, "end": 2780.88}, {"text": "with a story I have to tell you from Harry Barrett who was mayor for six", "start": 2780.88, "end": 2785.92}, {"text": "terms uh back in the 70s and 80s and uh he he and I were chatting once about why", "start": 2785.92, "end": 2792.72}, {"text": "the Centennial project was opened in 77 instead of 67 and this was Harry's wonderful remark", "start": 2792.72, "end": 2800.52}, {"text": "this ISS well Rob this is Oakville and we like to discuss a thing real good before we actually do it so we'll have", "start": 2800.52, "end": 2809.079}, {"text": "some more discussion and see if we can't get it right we'll add quick discussion to that yeah thank you thank you thank", "start": 2809.079, "end": 2816.119}, {"text": "you very much", "start": 2816.119, "end": 2818.838}, {"text": "further questions it looks like so at this point we'll open it up if there's anybody in the audience who'd like to", "start": 2825.119, "end": 2830.559}, {"text": "come forward and make a delegation and", "start": 2830.559, "end": 2838.599}, {"text": "seeing okay not for a second time though uh seeing none I guess we will confine this", "start": 2838.599, "end": 2845.319}, {"text": "to table and uh do we have a move to uh uh basically keep accept the delegations", "start": 2845.319, "end": 2852.92}, {"text": "from thank you councelor Adams so that is that and all in", "start": 2852.92, "end": 2859.96}, {"text": "favor all right and that is passed uh 5.2 yes mayor", "start": 2861.24, "end": 2868.68}, {"text": "Burton okay uh Mr chair I'd like to move def uh referral of that item back to staff to U", "start": 2875.48, "end": 2884.559}, {"text": "expand the information about the benefit to Green financing of infrastructure in future and uh uh thank you very much", "start": 2884.559, "end": 2894.4}, {"text": "okay well there's really no discussion to referral so I'll take a vote all in", "start": 2894.4, "end": 2900.8}, {"text": "favor and that is referred perfect and that takes us right to", "start": 2900.8, "end": 2908.079}, {"text": "of business for the day so thank you very much everybody thank you for your patience all of this my name is Phil Don", "start": 2908.079, "end": 2913.88}, {"text": "H and we'll be back uh Thursday evening if anybody like to have further discussions above the", "start": 2913.88, "end": 2919.16}, {"text": "budget we return", "start": 2919.16, "end": 2923.52}]