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carries thank you Declarations of Interest all thank you", "start": 2060.04, "end": 2065.76}, {"text": "uh member Andress you have a declaration yes uh two uh non-disqualifying", "start": 2065.76, "end": 2073.2}, {"text": "declarations on item uh 8.1 as it does mention some members of", "start": 2073.2, "end": 2079.28}, {"text": "the Hamilton Community benefits me uh Network as potential advisers to this subcommittee and uh 9.1 as we are", "start": 2079.28, "end": 2088.118}, {"text": "actively engaged in conversations with uh metr links and the City of Hamilton around Community benefits and community", "start": 2088.119, "end": 2095.72}, {"text": "supports pro programs thank you and those are non-disqualifying interests", "start": 2095.72, "end": 2102.599}, {"text": "correct correct thank you any other interests to declare at this time committee", "start": 2102.599, "end": 2109.44}, {"text": "members seeing none then we'll move on to approval of our minutes of our previous meeting from September 30th", "start": 2109.44, "end": 2115.079}, {"text": "2024 may I please have a mover and seconder move by councelor hang seconded", "start": 2115.079, "end": 2120.28}, {"text": "by councelor crutch any discussion on the minutes please seeing none please indicate your", "start": 2120.28, "end": 2131.559}, {"text": "vote and that carries thank you okay first up to staff presentations 8.1 is", "start": 2144.8, "end": 2150.24}, {"text": "recruiting additional LRT subcommittee advisers in order to facilitate consideration of climate Justice ped", "start": 2150.24, "end": 2156.64}, {"text": "2487 a Citywide and there is okay is there a overview and then an", "start": 2156.64, "end": 2164.8}, {"text": "introduction of the staff team over to your director lukask yes uh good morning uh chair and", "start": 2164.8, "end": 2170.92}, {"text": "N uh we have beatric aoko today presenting the report to that provides", "start": 2170.92, "end": 2176.599}, {"text": "Direction on recruiting 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infrastructure", "start": 2249.96, "end": 2254.16}, {"text": "project you would have seen the report P2 487a Citywide the purpose of this", "start": 2258.2, "end": 2264.72}, {"text": "report is to offer recommendations to the lit subcommittee on tangible steps to facilitate the process of recruiting", "start": 2264.72, "end": 2271.319}, {"text": "representatives of Frontline communities to serve as non voting advisers to the subcommittee", "start": 2271.319, "end": 2278.88}, {"text": "climate Justice I'm going to give a quick overview of what climate Justice is and how how it relates to the LRT", "start": 2279.48, "end": 2286.4}, {"text": "project climate Justice or climate Equity as some call it involves outcomes", "start": 2286.4, "end": 2293.28}, {"text": "that address Equity challenges surrounding climate change basically Equity means that our policym service", "start": 2293.28, "end": 2299.92}, {"text": "delivery and distribution of resources account for the different histories and challenges and needs of", "start": 2299.92, "end": 2306.88}, {"text": "the people we serve so climate Justice prioritizes resources and support to the communities that burdened the most by", "start": 2306.88, "end": 2313.88}, {"text": "climate change those that contribute the least to climate change and those who are most socially vulnerable to it when", "start": 2313.88, "end": 2320}, {"text": "it comes to the LRT project this is a massive climate change mitigation opportunity that will help uh towards", "start": 2320, "end": 2327.24}, {"text": "reaching the city's climate goals as laid out in Hamilton's climate action strategy with his potential not only to", "start": 2327.24, "end": 2332.72}, {"text": "reduce greenhouse gas emissions and promote active forms of transp exportation but also support cor", "start": 2332.72, "end": 2339.48}, {"text": "benefits such as stimulating business and economy enhancing Community vibrancy and elevating health benefits and so on", "start": 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"displacement of populations or safety concerns of of specific populations like indigenous or black people or", "start": 2381.88, "end": 2388.28}, {"text": "accessibility needs of people with disabilities so that's a bit of example of what that could look like distributive", "start": 2388.28, "end": 2394.319}, {"text": "Equity Distributing climate action benefits and diminish burdens across diverse Equity owned", "start": 2394.319, "end": 2400.44}, {"text": "communities while the lit is considered a climate action of tremendous impact how would it diminish burdens on say", "start": 2400.44, "end": 2406.88}, {"text": "youth or low-income people how can we can we consider affordability to these cost burdened populations could this", "start": 2406.88, "end": 2413.839}, {"text": "project increase job opportunities job creation access to parks and green spaces and front for Frontline communities could this project increase", "start": 2413.839, "end": 2421.04}, {"text": "quality affordable housing stock and air transit stops so these are all considerations for this dimension of", "start": 2421.04, "end": 2426.76}, {"text": "climate equity it government Justice um and procedural Equity factoring and Municipal decision- making processes and", "start": 2426.76, "end": 2434.4}, {"text": "who is involved in these processes to ensure the project reflects the needs aspirations and knowledge of impacted", "start": 2434.4, "end": 2440.04}, {"text": "communities um this climate Equity Dimension is the focus of our report's recommendations", "start": 2440.04, "end": 2446.079}, {"text": "today uh so while we acknowledge the absence of a framework to guide these projects the lit is an opportunity to", "start": 2446.079, "end": 2451.839}, {"text": "actionized the city of Hamilton's commitment to uplifting values of climate Justice and thus Ensure that", "start": 2451.839, "end": 2457.52}, {"text": "Hamilton's Frontline communities play a central role in the just transformation of the 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include additional nonvoting Community advisors to ensure that the sub committee's", "start": 2585.44, "end": 2590.68}, {"text": "composition reflects the community from the climate Justice point of view as follows um membership and this this okay", "start": 2590.68, "end": 2598.72}, {"text": "this this Worden was also provided through the the clerk membership of the committee will consist of the mayor and", "start": 2598.72, "end": 2603.839}, {"text": "councils counselors along the Bine Corridor additional counselors that represent various interests that should", "start": 2603.839, "end": 2610.16}, {"text": "be on the subcommittee these include a representative of the mountain and the rural suburban Wards as", "start": 2610.16, "end": 2616.48}, {"text": "well this continues other representatives of the community key stakeholders will be asked to attend as", "start": 2616.48, "end": 2622.96}, {"text": "advisors to the subcommittee these can include but are not limited to Chamber of 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"communities um I'd like to conclude this presentation by saying that light rail has become increasingly popular in", "start": 2668.16, "end": 2674.92}, {"text": "cities across the world according to one study in North America more than 16 LRT projects were planned in 2019 compared", "start": 2674.92, "end": 2681.28}, {"text": "to one in 2012 five L networks came online 2022 in North America including", "start": 2681.28, "end": 2686.839}, {"text": "Montreal's um Resort Express Metropolitan RM Hamilton's L could well", "start": 2686.839, "end": 2692.359}, {"text": "be the first light rail transit system to intentionally embed Equity within and across phases of this exciting project", "start": 2692.359, "end": 2699.04}, {"text": "though thank you thank you for that overview manager committee members are there any", "start": 2699.04, "end": 2705.079}, {"text": "questions get the speakers list started councelor Moren", "start": 2705.079, "end": 2710.078}, {"text": "Wilson my apologies um I 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{"text": "far as being bound by the same I'm struggling to answer that question because there are rules of conduct but I", "start": 2773.64, "end": 2782.16}, {"text": "I know they're not they're non- voting members and I don't believe they have to attend every meeting if that answers", "start": 2782.16, "end": 2789.119}, {"text": "your question thank you for your feedback I think my question is um like", "start": 2789.119, "end": 2795}, {"text": "local agencies and Boards uh that are those members are non voting they advise", "start": 2795, "end": 2800.88}, {"text": "us but they're they're subject to the code of conduct as it exists for the", "start": 2800.88, "end": 2805.96}, {"text": "city of Hamilton so that was my question to through the chur chair to the clerk thank you that's correct thanks they", "start": 2805.96, "end": 2812.76}, {"text": "would be subject to the same code of conduct okay thank you thank you next", "start": 2812.76, "end": 2817.96}, {"text": "time we have mayor Horvath followed by member", "start": 2817.96, "end": 2822.119}, {"text": "Andress oh I saw that the me uh the mayor's connection was a little wonky earlier", "start": 2827.599, "end": 2834.16}, {"text": "this morning too so we'll come back to the mayor next up is member Andress uh thank you very much uh chair", "start": 2834.16, "end": 2842.839}, {"text": "um through you both to the um the present but also to the voting council", "start": 2842.839, "end": 2849.079}, {"text": "members on the committee I really like this report I really enjoy the in the", "start": 2849.079, "end": 2854.72}, {"text": "possibility of the inclusion of additional groups to um to this body to", "start": 2854.72, "end": 2861.839}, {"text": "help provide feedback on this project um however I I I share some challenges in", "start": 2861.839, "end": 2869.76}, {"text": "the fact that this seems like the broadening of this work might be better", "start": 2869.76, "end": 2874.839}, {"text": "served by a task force um especially through Hamilton's procedural bylaw then it would be just adding addition", "start": 2874.839, "end": 2881.839}, {"text": "additional members to this committee that also might make it um unwieldly for", "start": 2881.839, "end": 2887.559}, {"text": "some meetings to proceed and um would ask uh you know uh", "start": 2887.559, "end": 2893.76}, {"text": "through the chair both to staff the clerk and Council itself if there may be", "start": 2893.76, "end": 2900.52}, {"text": "a better option whereby this subcommittee forms a task force itself that's charged specifically with dealing", "start": 2900.52, "end": 2907.8}, {"text": "with Community benefits and the environmental justice and disability", "start": 2907.8, "end": 2913.359}, {"text": "Justice aspects wherein they would have an ability to receive reports to vote on", "start": 2913.359, "end": 2920.48}, {"text": "those reports and then return those recommendations back to this", "start": 2920.48, "end": 2926.4}, {"text": "Committee Member Andress just to be clear you're asking for responses to your question from the staff the clerk", "start": 2926.44, "end": 2933.96}, {"text": "and uh council members of this committee", "start": 2933.96, "end": 2938.72}, {"text": "it's it's a suggestion to council members of this committee and a question for uh staff and the", "start": 2939.44, "end": 2946}, {"text": "clerk okay to the clerk first through the chair um Carl the committee if it so", "start": 2946, "end": 2952.48}, {"text": "chose could strike a task", "start": 2952.48, "end": 2956}, {"text": "force okay and then over to staff in terms of the recommendation of having non- voting advisors um fulfilling this mandate", "start": 2959.68, "end": 2967.359}, {"text": "so through the chair I see um director Shake thank you looking like he's gotor could please go", "start": 2967.359, "end": 2973.079}, {"text": "ahead through the chair my name is Abdul shik director Hamilton Al project office uh the 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ensuring that it is the best possible product and", "start": 4355.04, "end": 4361.76}, {"text": "outcome for the city that would be part of the orientation we would be for the", "start": 4361.76, "end": 4366.88}, {"text": "people before they decide to put their name forward to sit on the advisory committee and reconfirming once they", "start": 4366.88, "end": 4372.52}, {"text": "have been selected to sit on this committee advisory capacity as to what council's decision is and the direction", "start": 4372.52, "end": 4379.04}, {"text": "under which we are operating and in terms of delivering on the LRT as opposed to discussing the merits of the", "start": 4379.04, "end": 4385.28}, {"text": "LRT or how the LRT is to be delivered um sorry I have go ahead no exactly GM", "start": 4385.28, "end": 4393.12}, {"text": "robor mentioned uh so the whole intention as as we mentioned in the report the expectations so we did", "start": 4393.12, "end": 4399.159}, {"text": "provide some list because we see this is a shovel ready project right so we are not going back to the zero in terms of", "start": 4399.159, "end": 4405.639}, {"text": "design so considering the sh ready nature of the project so depends upon", "start": 4405.639, "end": 4411.12}, {"text": "the what agenda item you're are bringing what item we are seeking uh from", "start": 4411.12, "end": 4416.719}, {"text": "non-advised Member their input right so we did provide some list which is included in our", "start": 4416.719, "end": 4423}, {"text": "report yes thank you council wiir at times so if you have one follow follow followup question I do just a comment um", "start": 4423, "end": 4430.679}, {"text": "again I am not ascribing any ill intent bad Fai or or motive um but I I do think it is", "start": 4430.679, "end": 4439.12}, {"text": "my responsibility as Governor to ask these sometimes uncomfortable questions", "start": 4439.12, "end": 4445.239}, {"text": "and the the the detail that have just been provided to us that that those", "start": 4445.239, "end": 4451.6}, {"text": "expectations uh will be set out in in writing for any participant I think is", "start": 4451.6, "end": 4457.52}, {"text": "is an important um piece of information that needed to be offered and um I hope", "start": 4457.52, "end": 4464.44}, {"text": "it will be those kind of things will be part of the subsequent report in whatever form it comes if if approval is granted thank", "start": 4464.44, "end": 4471.4}, {"text": "you thank you councel next up we have member Andress for a second time yes uh thank thank you very much", "start": 4471.4, "end": 4477.679}, {"text": "through the chair so first thing I wanted to comment on was of course the um great work that the office of climate", "start": 4477.679, "end": 4484.32}, {"text": "change has done in identifying a core group of of community organizations um", "start": 4484.32, "end": 4491.12}, {"text": "and to mention to this committee that through those organiz ations they have interconnectivity to other organizations", "start": 4491.12, "end": 4499.08}, {"text": "and I think that's important to note that um there's a broader reach there by", "start": 4499.08, "end": 4504.32}, {"text": "that office working with and the LRT office working with those groups um to", "start": 4504.32, "end": 4509.4}, {"text": "identify um other groups that may not have been captured in this original City", "start": 4509.4, "end": 4514.92}, {"text": "report um when they bring back the final report for recommendation and then again", "start": 4514.92, "end": 4520.199}, {"text": "just to reinforce my my view that um I think", "start": 4520.199, "end": 4526.36}, {"text": "this work like the mayor's task force on economic recovery might be better done", "start": 4526.36, "end": 4532.56}, {"text": "in a in a task force that reports back to this committee um as opposed to", "start": 4532.56, "end": 4539.04}, {"text": "trying to to bring a whole bunch of members to um even uh uh counselor", "start": 4539.04, "end": 4547.159}, {"text": "through the chair Wilson's Point uh on perhaps some disruptive elements that", "start": 4547.159, "end": 4553.36}, {"text": "may have an agenda against the project or you know may", "start": 4553.36, "end": 4558.56}, {"text": "choose to use their membership on this Committee in a more disruptive manner um", "start": 4558.56, "end": 4564.12}, {"text": "and the other other thing that I wanted to mention as well for this committee's", "start": 4564.12, "end": 4569.48}, {"text": "consideration is whatever Direction you take in terms of adding extra community", "start": 4569.48, "end": 4575.159}, {"text": "members to this um to staff's point um not every um Community member shows up", "start": 4575.159, "end": 4582.76}, {"text": "to every meeting um they come out when there's an agenda item that's important", "start": 4582.76, "end": 4587.8}, {"text": "to them or that is um something that they feel that they organization perhaps", 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staff again on doing uh excellent work on you know framing a way", "start": 4641.48, "end": 4647.76}, {"text": "to incorporate a climate Justice lens and to invite voices that aren't traditionally heard from to this", "start": 4647.76, "end": 4653.96}, {"text": "committee thank you thank you member Andress and uh turning the chair over to Vice chair", "start": 4653.96, "end": 4663.48}, {"text": "cret got it thank you um so again thank you to manager Koko for the presentation", "start": 4664.159, "end": 4671.28}, {"text": "and the entire uh climate office for your contributions towards report director lassic uh director shake and", "start": 4671.28, "end": 4677.48}, {"text": "also acting GM for your responses to the questions I think it's really helped clarify the recommendation from staff um", "start": 4677.48, "end": 4685.08}, {"text": "as a Committee Member and also um as as chair and rotating chair so I'll be back at this at the table uh very soon in the", "start": 4685.08, "end": 4692.36}, {"text": "new year um what I really appreciate about the report is the the goal of", "start": 4692.36, "end": 4698.48}, {"text": "aiming to integrate the equity and climate lens to the deliberations of this committee and feel like there's", "start": 4698.48, "end": 4705.6}, {"text": "often scenarios under which uh Council strike subcommittees or advisory groups", "start": 4705.6, "end": 4711.639}, {"text": "and unfortunately those advisories deliberate without council members being present and then submit recommendations", "start": 4711.639, "end": 4719.32}, {"text": "for the appropriate subcommittee or standing committee to read the report which I think", "start": 4719.32, "end": 4726.76}, {"text": "fundamentally from my perspective takes away from the integration of the", "start": 4726.76, "end": 4732.239}, {"text": "perspectives that are being shared because you're not part of the discussion then right and we're not", "start": 4732.239, "end": 4737.44}, {"text": "listening and engaged in a dialogue and um inquiring inquiring with each other", "start": 4737.44, "end": 4744.08}, {"text": "about the perspectives that are being in that are seeking to inform the deliberations of a subcommittee so from", "start": 4744.08, "end": 4751.08}, {"text": "that perspective and from what I value most about deep integration Equity work", "start": 4751.08, "end": 4756.84}, {"text": "is having Folks at the table and I think that from a governance perspective", "start": 4756.84, "end": 4762.199}, {"text": "there's a lot of Merit in having strong charity who are capable of facilitating a", "start": 4762.199, "end": 4768}, {"text": "discussion with up to 25 people with up to 45 people and so from that perspective uh perhaps I'm not so", "start": 4768, "end": 4774.639}, {"text": "concerned about having a chamber full of people and having a very well facilitated dialogue so I really", "start": 4774.639, "end": 4781.199}, {"text": "appreciate the recommendation of integration um that's here I think the mayor did raise a good point in terms of", "start": 4781.199, "end": 4787.44}, {"text": "inclusion and whether the timing of the subcommittee is one that does facilitate the best practice uh so I will", "start": 4787.44, "end": 4793.719}, {"text": "definitely consider that my deliberations and accepting the recommendations and also uh any other amendments to come forward um and really", "start": 4793.719, "end": 4800.92}, {"text": "appreciating the clarity around the orientation so that any non-voting adviser that's coming to the committee", "start": 4800.92, "end": 4807.239}, {"text": "is very very clear about their role and participation uh to the subcommittee as well so thank you those are my comments", "start": 4807.239, "end": 4814.4}, {"text": "I'll take back the chair and uh recognize member brawe thank you through the chair I just", "start": 4814.4, "end": 4821.12}, {"text": "wanted to agree with what you just said I think is somebody who's been 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speaker list oh NOP councelor kasar", "start": 4866.88, "end": 4872.04}, {"text": "thank you sorry I was trying to indicate but it wasn't going through um I was going to hold comment to the report but", "start": 4872.04, "end": 4877.679}, {"text": "it looks like this is the appropriate time so if you don't mind um I think the issue of time of day", "start": 4877.679, "end": 4885.44}, {"text": "availability as was raised by the mayor is an important consideration I think before any decision is made by staff", "start": 4885.44, "end": 4891.6}, {"text": "there should be Outreach with those potential organizations to determine that because we're making", "start": 4891.6, "end": 4897.56}, {"text": "assumptions here and assumptions can get us get us in a lot of trouble I'm not personally biased either way to whether", "start": 4897.56, "end": 4904.56}, {"text": "a task force as has been suggested or is the appropriate order to have everyone here um but I'm listening carefully to", "start": 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"represented so I think we just have to Define that and secondly um it it", "start": 4945.32, "end": 4951.36}, {"text": "doesn't necessarily in my opinion need to be a large number of individuals that are here to represent those voices you", "start": 4951.36, "end": 4956.92}, {"text": "know could it be three four five I I don't know I'm not trying to put us in a certain direction but I don't think that", "start": 4956.92, "end": 4963.679}, {"text": "we need to add you know double the size of the committee necessarily but one thing to consider would it", "start": 4963.679, "end": 4969.52}, {"text": "be a compromise here to help to to help address all the concerns", "start": 4969.52, "end": 4975.719}, {"text": "here is add a small number of individuals as members to this committee also strike a working group um on which", "start": 4975.719, "end": 4983.28}, {"text": "they participate to hear a broader voice and to bring those voices here to maybe be more efficient and and address both", "start": 4983.28, "end": 4990.44}, {"text": "of the concerns that have been raised or the number of concerns that have been raised here um I don't know well any", "start": 4990.44, "end": 4995.84}, {"text": "I'll put that out there as a potential solution but I think it's very very important the bottom line that we do have voices who are able to have the", "start": 4995.84, "end": 5002.08}, {"text": "input here that's what I I want to make sure we achieve and I think we're just I think we're on the same page we're just struggling with the most efficient and", "start": 5002.08, "end": 5008.84}, {"text": "effective way to do that so thanks chair thank you uh next up we have Vice", "start": 5008.84, "end": 5016.08}, {"text": "chair thanks I think we're doing a little bit of cart and horse uh Logistics today I think it's fine for", "start": 5016.32, "end": 5021.96}, {"text": "staff to go ahead do this work come back and there's an approval process for us in terms of appointing people if at 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could intervene but I think we ought to let them just do their work and trust that they can do it", "start": 5059.12, "end": 5067.639}, {"text": "competently thank you okay so that exhausts the speaker list thank you uh manager for standing the whole time and", "start": 5068.4, "end": 5075.84}, {"text": "integrating your presentation and thank you to the staff for um I did give a little bit of leeway to get into some of", "start": 5075.84, "end": 5081.119}, {"text": "the report contents and considerations as well so at this point we need a mover and seconder to receive the presentation", "start": 5081.119, "end": 5086.92}, {"text": "moved by Vice Chair seconded by councelor hang all those in favor", "start": 5086.92, "end": 5093.239}, {"text": "thank you okay that carries and on to the", "start": 5110.04, "end": 5117.76}, {"text": "report may have a mover and seconder to put the report formally on the table moved by uh councelor hang seconded by", "start": 5117.76, "end": 5126.28}, {"text": "myself I guess oh the mayor thank you so much mayor Horath um and so the report", "start": 5126.28, "end": 5131.92}, {"text": "recommendations are on the table now we'll open up the speakers list again we have councelor", "start": 5131.92, "end": 5138.639}, {"text": "Dano thank you chair so as mentioned I'll I'll put an amending motion on the", "start": 5138.639, "end": 5143.92}, {"text": "table for consideration by the subcommittee um move by myself myself seconded by councelor Francis that the", "start": 5143.92, "end": 5152.32}, {"text": "city of Hamilton strike a LR T climate Justice task force that reflects the", "start": 5152.32, "end": 5157.679}, {"text": "community from a climate Justice point of view task force members can include but are not limited to the urban", "start": 5157.679, "end": 5163.44}, {"text": "indigenous Community black community women gender diverse individuals 2s", "start": 5163.44, "end": 5169.32}, {"text": "lgbtqia plus youth seniors newcomers 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{"text": "of voices uh that want to have input on the LRT project but at the same time you", "start": 5264.719, "end": 5270.08}, {"text": "know we haven't got into the actual Nuts and Bolts of LRT you know the meeting", "start": 5270.08, "end": 5276.36}, {"text": "LRT subcommittee meeetings that we've had to date have been leading up we haven't even gone through procurement", "start": 5276.36, "end": 5281.96}, {"text": "yet so you know I I think it is is valid that once we get into the actual nuts", "start": 5281.96, "end": 5287.88}, {"text": "and bolts of building LRT as a construction and transportation and", "start": 5287.88, "end": 5293.159}, {"text": "economic development project the members that are already on this subcommittee are very well", "start": 5293.159, "end": 5299.199}, {"text": "represented and the work that this subcommittee is going to be doing as sort of a liaison between uh between", "start": 5299.199, "end": 5306.6}, {"text": "Metro Links between City staff between the broader community and the the", "start": 5306.6, "end": 5312.159}, {"text": "remainder of council um that work is going to be much much more involved once", "start": 5312.159, "end": 5317.84}, {"text": "this project is actually underway in full um so I think leaving them the", "start": 5317.84, "end": 5323.84}, {"text": "subcommittee membership as it is is is reasonable but bringing on a dedicated task force with those special governance", "start": 5323.84, "end": 5331.92}, {"text": "um um duties that that are involved is I", "start": 5331.92, "end": 5337.159}, {"text": "think a reasonable solution um and and a reasonable way to go thank you thank you", "start": 5337.159, "end": 5343.44}, {"text": "councelor next up we have councelor hang followed by member Andress thank you chair just a question to clarify as an", "start": 5343.44, "end": 5351.119}, {"text": "amending motion we would be using going to the backs of the report and it would be C all of what councelor Dano 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just instead striking a", "start": 5447.36, "end": 5454}, {"text": "task force that's I'm still confused it's worth clarifying", "start": 5454, "end": 5459.119}, {"text": "structurally as your inquiry is uh noted as chair in terms of the recommendations", "start": 5459.119, "end": 5464.199}, {"text": "the current recommendation does read from staff that the advisers would serve", "start": 5464.199, "end": 5470.44}, {"text": "as non-voting Community advisers to the LRT subcommittee and councel denko's", "start": 5470.44, "end": 5476.8}, {"text": "Amendment uh doesn't that nor uh structurally change it so councelor", "start": 5476.8, "end": 5482.96}, {"text": "Denko if you could clarify please so that that would also then be amended that the report back to identify", "start": 5482.96, "end": 5490.88}, {"text": "members you simply replace subcommittee with task", "start": 5490.88, "end": 5496.6}, {"text": "force councilor H thank you for that clarification I think that um I'd like", 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subcommittee", "start": 6616.96, "end": 6625}, {"text": "members are you clear we clear about our path forward here in terms of decision- making all right uh our", "start": 6625, "end": 6631.239}, {"text": "first agenda item uh was the report and then it will be the motion so back to", "start": 6631.239, "end": 6637.719}, {"text": "the speaker list we're still on the report and its recommendations next up is councelor Moren Wilson followed by", "start": 6637.719, "end": 6644.28}, {"text": "the", "start": 6644.28, "end": 6646.36}, {"text": "mayor thank you uh well I do appreciate that we have um an agenda to get through", "start": 6649.36, "end": 6654.92}, {"text": "I I think it's really I feel important for as much Clarity uh on methods and", "start": 6654.92, "end": 6661.36}, {"text": "modes of government to be brought um earlier rather than", "start": 6661.36, "end": 6667.56}, {"text": "later um so I do think it's these are all worthy uh and I know you're not", "start": 6667.56, 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which would inform what the subsequent report is going to take", "start": 6732.96, "end": 6738.32}, {"text": "regardless of of how um this is operationalized and informed so I would", "start": 6738.32, "end": 6745.48}, {"text": "respectfully request um that the next staff report in C or it could be a new B", "start": 6745.48, "end": 6753.679}, {"text": "depending on how things go here um that we be provided with some information on", "start": 6753.679, "end": 6760.44}, {"text": "um um method of selection report back to this uh committee with names Andor", "start": 6760.44, "end": 6767.84}, {"text": "agencies specifically what uh training will be provided and also just uh the", "start": 6767.84, "end": 6774.159}, {"text": "clarification that I was seeking again as part of due diligence uh what", "start": 6774.159, "end": 6780.119}, {"text": "the party agent person", "start": 6780.119, "end": 6785.8}, {"text": "um what their exact role is um just to ensure that we don't get into uh uh any", "start": 6785.8, "end": 6793.239}, {"text": "kind of recognizing freedom of speech but we don't get into a situation where um a voice is brought that if we get to", "start": 6793.239, "end": 6800.56}, {"text": "a point they're there to obstruct I'm just looking for that kind of guidance", "start": 6800.56, "end": 6806.599}, {"text": "details on the governance yes if I may as your chair then recommend that I think what I hear you asking for is a um", "start": 6806.599, "end": 6816.119}, {"text": "a integration into the report recommendations that staff take back", "start": 6816.119, "end": 6821.48}, {"text": "subcommittee's deliberation and feedback and in their next report back", "start": 6821.48, "end": 6827.52}, {"text": "add further considerations for subcommittee", "start": 6827.52, "end": 6833.32}, {"text": "final decision on the integration of a climate Equity", "start": 6833.32, "end": 6841.04}, {"text": "body I just want to honor that you're asking staff to bring back a report that addresses issues that have been raised", "start": 6841.04, "end": 6847.56}, {"text": "by the subcommittee and I'm trying to embed it within this discussion and get clarity from staff and I'll pause here", "start": 6847.56, "end": 6854}, {"text": "and just turn to the bench and say is there anything you can offer a staff in terms of language for that", "start": 6854, "end": 6859.079}, {"text": "recommendation can I just interject with a quick point of order I think morning Wilson and other people are trying to do", "start": 6859.079, "end": 6864.48}, {"text": "here is out of out of order if you want to defer this and then have instructions for people to come back that's totally", "start": 6864.48, "end": 6870.92}, {"text": "in order to do but we can't modify the report so that we don't take the recommendation in it until we voted on", "start": 6870.92, "end": 6877.84}, {"text": "it so I'm suggesting to people if they want to defer this to have further deliberation put a deferral motion on", "start": 6877.84, "end": 6882.88}, {"text": "the floor okay point of order", "start": 6882.88, "end": 6889.88}, {"text": "clarified so uh over to the clerk if we can just get some procedural Clarity", "start": 6889.88, "end": 6896.92}, {"text": "here was that a motion to defer oh I'm not moving to defer I'm saying everyone keep saying the word", "start": 6896.92, "end": 6902}, {"text": "defer without saying the word defer so I'm suggesting that people without saying the word defer people just put", "start": 6902, "end": 6907.52}, {"text": "the motion on the floor if they want us to have further deliberations and defer the decision today okay uh so councelor Wilson still", "start": 6907.52, "end": 6915}, {"text": "has the floor yeah I don't think I use the word defer or refer yeah", "start": 6915, "end": 6922.88}, {"text": "thank you chair I'm just looking for um I think information um in the next report what", "start": 6922.88, "end": 6931.32}, {"text": "whatever recommendation um seizes the day and if I now is not the appropriate", "start": 6931.32, "end": 6938.28}, {"text": "time to ask for it uh then you can put me back on the speaker's list thank you thank you next up is the", "start": 6938.28, "end": 6946.04}, {"text": "mayor thanks very much I I I really do appreciate um this this discussion", "start": 6946.679, "end": 6952.84}, {"text": "but I think it does behoove us to refer this back to staff that considering all", "start": 6952.84, "end": 6958.4}, {"text": "of the conversation that we've been having uh to bring back uh options to this subcommittee uh that help us to", "start": 6958.4, "end": 6966.4}, {"text": "come to to to land on a on a decision so I'm happy to I don't think there's any", "start": 6966.4, "end": 6972.8}, {"text": "urgency that we have to make this decision right now I would rather that we make a decision that we all feel good", "start": 6972.8, "end": 6978.56}, {"text": "about and comfortable with uh and that takes 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that suffice mayor perfect", "start": 7603.44, "end": 7609.679}, {"text": "thank you very much chair appreciate it thank you okay Crystal Clear before", "start": 7609.679, "end": 7618.079}, {"text": "subcommittee it's been moved and seconded by the mayor seconded by sorry moved by the mayor seconded by councelor Morin Wilson before committee for", "start": 7618.079, "end": 7626.32}, {"text": "vote thank you elsc McIntosh for doing all all that on the", "start": 7637.559, "end": 7644}, {"text": "Fly anyone else needing to register their vote the mayor thumbs", "start": 7655.4, "end": 7662.159}, {"text": "up and that car okay onwards um thank you next up are", "start": 7669.92, "end": 7676.04}, {"text": "consent items no it's 8.2 terms of reference for a change tracking", "start": 7676.04, "end": 7681.239}, {"text": "framework for the LRT um yeah for the Hamilton LRT ped", "start": 7681.239, "end": 7687.079}, {"text": "report 24207 Citywide we have director shik as well as manager shahia joining", "start": 7687.079, "end": 7693.599}, {"text": "us", "start": 7693.599, "end": 7696.599}, {"text": "thank you Madame chair uh I would like to thank the alotti subcommittee members for providing providing this opportunity my name is Abdul sh director Hamilton L", "start": 7727.76, "end": 7734.76}, {"text": "project office I have farad Shala with me who is the manager of Technical Services and approvals coordination with", "start": 7734.76, "end": 7741.04}, {"text": "LRT sub LRT project office today we are here to present the terms of reference", "start": 7741.04, "end": 7746.239}, {"text": "for a chain tracking framework for the Hamilton Light Rail Transit", "start": 7746.239, "end": 7752.52}, {"text": "project so this presentation is aligned with the report in front of you today and I will provide a brief overview of a", "start": 7755.679, "end": 7762.52}, {"text": "background of this work and farad will cover the terms of reference and", "start": 7762.52, "end": 7767.679}, {"text": "Analysis and rational as well I will then uh end the presentation with a recommendation and next", "start": 7767.679, "end": 7774.598}, {"text": "steps so in terms of background the this presentation is a result of a motion first introduced by the LRT subcommittee", "start": 7774.96, "end": 7781.8}, {"text": "in December last year and then was approved in on September 20th this year", "start": 7781.8, "end": 7787.84}, {"text": "this motion requires staff to develop the terms of reference for establishing a baseline measure that would enable the", "start": 7787.84, "end": 7794.88}, {"text": "city to track changes over time with respect to a wide and comprehensive range of metrics including economic", "start": 7794.88, "end": 7802.36}, {"text": "environmental and social metrics so today's report includes the terms of reference addressing this motion and", "start": 7802.36, "end": 7809.559}, {"text": "also provides the next steps so once the terms of reference are approved by the LRT subcommittee we will", "start": 7809.559, "end": 7816.52}, {"text": "we plan to bring a second report in 2025 with a final framework that will use to", "start": 7816.52, "end": 7822.96}, {"text": "track changes along the LRT Corridor during LRT implementation through its", "start": 7822.96, "end": 7828.4}, {"text": "construction and", "start": 7828.4, "end": 7831.079}, {"text": "operation okay so I will now pass on to farad sha", "start": 7833.84, "end": 7839.199}, {"text": "to go through the details of the terms of reference as provided in our report as appendix a", "start": 7839.199, "end": 7846.239}, {"text": "farad thank you Dr uh director Shake good morning members of the LRT", "start": 7849.88, "end": 7855.44}, {"text": "subcommittee my name is far Shalo manager of LRT Technical Services and approvals coordination as mentioned by", "start": 7855.44, "end": 7863.36}, {"text": "director shake the change tracking framework will be an important initiative to stay informed how 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"environmental Dimension the first was the length of trails and Pathways as well as the area of public green", "start": 8358.88, "end": 8366.92}, {"text": "spaces in addition to the basic features that will come as part of the change tracking framework we foresee we foresee", "start": 8366.92, "end": 8374.359}, {"text": "future opportunities for improved reporting and data display for this we intend to draw on the data collection", "start": 8374.36, "end": 8380.478}, {"text": "and Reporting tools that are currently in use Citywide as part of our preliminary investigation we have come", "start": 8380.479, "end": 8387.28}, {"text": "across data platforms and dashboard Solutions currently use for public viewing of city", "start": 8387.281, "end": 8394.52}, {"text": "services we will continue our investigation to ensure we are effectively leveraging current systems", "start": 8394.52, "end": 8400.52}, {"text": "when reporting change within the LRT quarter furthermore for future years as we 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remainder of the", "start": 8494.2, "end": 8499.8}, {"text": "presentation thank you so thank you for uh so drawn on", "start": 8499.8, "end": 8506.2}, {"text": "information provided by farad we are requesting two recommendation in our report the first one regards to the terms of", "start": 8506.2, "end": 8512.88}, {"text": "reference that are included in the report appendix a which will be used to develop a framework and Associated set", "start": 8512.88, "end": 8519.399}, {"text": "of indicators for tracking change in the Hamilton LRT Corridor the second", "start": 8519.399, "end": 8524.479}, {"text": "recommendation is to direct staff to refine the change tracking framework and report back to LT subcommittee on a", "start": 8524.479, "end": 8531.24}, {"text": "final set of recommendation recommended indicators and Reporting structure in", "start": 8531.24, "end": 8538.318}, {"text": "2025 so upon approving the two recommendation the staff plans to continue with stakeholder engagement and", "start": 8539.04, "end": 8545.24}, {"text": "consultation to to investigate the existing tracking capabilities while we investigate with", "start": 8545.24, "end": 8551}, {"text": "the stakeholder sta will advance and finalize the chain tracking framework in 2024-25 so once the framework is", "start": 8551, "end": 8558.68}, {"text": "confirmed then sta will seek internal approval from LRT staring committee members which comprise of the directors", "start": 8558.68, "end": 8566.319}, {"text": "across the city we will then plan to bring our second report in 20 25 to L", "start": 8566.319, "end": 8571.92}, {"text": "subcommittee for their approval which will include the final framework the recommended indicators and Reporting", "start": 8571.92, "end": 8577.96}, {"text": "structure and Staffing and Reporting implication if", "start": 8577.96, "end": 8583.04}, {"text": "any so this concludes our presentation and I would like to thank the committee members for providing this opportunity", "start": 8583.04, "end": 8589.52}, {"text": "and farad especially working on the terms of reference a number of his staff were involved uh especially our GM uh", "start": 8589.52, "end": 8596.88}, {"text": "Robie CH acting GM Rob CH and Brian holling was for transportation plan who advise and guide us in preparation of", "start": 8596.88, "end": 8602.8}, {"text": "this terms of reference so we will be happy to provide any question the members have thank you thank you", "start": 8602.8, "end": 8608.88}, {"text": "director shake and manager Shala sorry I mispronounced your name uh I didn't see the L versus the i in my brain I saw I", "start": 8608.88, "end": 8617.12}, {"text": "um okay speakers list is open first up we have councelor hang followed by member Andress thank you thank you for", "start": 8617.12, "end": 8622.8}, {"text": "this uh I'm thankful that councelor Wilson put this forward because it gives us a good Baseline for us to start", "start": 8622.8, "end": 8628.72}, {"text": "speaking about these things I I wanted to ask a rudimentary question in slide", "start": 8628.72, "end": 8634.319}, {"text": "eight you talked about um tracking changes on a consistent basis what does", "start": 8634.319, "end": 8640.52}, {"text": "consistent basis really mean through Madam", "start": 8640.52, "end": 8647.68}, {"text": "chair consistent would be on a regular basis yes um we are intention at this", "start": 8647.68, "end": 8654.16}, {"text": "point is to report on a yearly basis it wouldn't be all indicators it would be", "start": 8654.16, "end": 8659.88}, {"text": "indicator where we have seen change so that's what we have learned from other projects they don't necessarily report", "start": 8659.88, "end": 8666.2}, {"text": "every year for all indicators they have a selected number of indicators for year one another set for the year two", "start": 8666.2, "end": 8672.88}, {"text": "depending on where the changes Happ in excellent I just wanted to get that time frame because I didn't know what", "start": 8672.88, "end": 8678.439}, {"text": "consistent meant right so um second one is as much as these are", "start": 8678.439, "end": 8683.84}, {"text": "quantitative metrics um what is your is there an opportunity to look at it from", "start": 8683.84, "end": 8689.6}, {"text": "a soft metric sort of perspective like sentiment of business owners along the", "start": 8689.6, "end": 8695.319}, {"text": "corridor and how that might change throughout the project um because I know", "start": 8695.319, "end": 8700.92}, {"text": "that we're going to have that customer service aspect of it so is there a way for us to track sentiment as it as the", "start": 8700.92, "end": 8709.96}, {"text": "project goes along is that something we want to consider yeah through the chair", "start": 8709.96, "end": 8715.319}, {"text": "right now sometimes it's very subjective in terms of qualitative analysis right so we thought let's start with", "start": 8715.319, "end": 8721.68}, {"text": "quantitative analysis where we can actually measure like in percentages numbers dollar value and those kind of", "start": 8721.68, "end": 8728.64}, {"text": "things but eventually you know like this is a long-term uh duration of tracking so we will continue to refine and and", "start": 8728.64, "end": 8736.64}, {"text": "and and improve as we move forward so perhaps there you chair just as a bug in", "start": 8736.64, "end": 8742.52}, {"text": "the director's ear is a opportunity for us to at least explore how do we track", "start": 8742.52, "end": 8749.84}, {"text": "sentence because I think that when we have our businesses especially our business", "start": 8749.84, "end": 8755.52}, {"text": "Improvement areas that will be in the in the construction zones we have several", "start": 8755.52, "end": 8760.76}, {"text": "businesses that are also on the construction zone I think even having that soft metric of how do we understand", "start": 8760.76, "end": 8769}, {"text": "their perception their frustrations I think those also need to be presented in", "start": 8769, "end": 8774.6}, {"text": "some way shape or form and I'm not asking for it today but I would like to have that be bug in your ear for", "start": 8774.6, "end": 8781.72}, {"text": "consideration as the future framework comes forward through the chair that's really", "start": 8781.72, "end": 8788.479}, {"text": "good suggestion so when on our second report we can look at that part and bring that recommendation uh information", "start": 8788.479, "end": 8794.439}, {"text": "thank you those are all my questions chair thank you councelor next up we have member Andress uh yes thank you again for the", "start": 8794.439, "end": 8801.84}, {"text": "presentation uh through the chair this is um good work and I'm really looking forward to reading these over the years", "start": 8801.84, "end": 8809.8}, {"text": "um couple of key things that I noticed when going through the reports and the", "start": 8809.8, "end": 8815.439}, {"text": "terms of reference there isn't a lot of mention in your metrics of the", "start": 8815.439, "end": 8822.2}, {"text": "monitoring of metr Link's responsibilities through their four-pillar program uh and how that", "start": 8822.2, "end": 8828.04}, {"text": "information is going to be communicated back to this committee I know it's a a you know a strictly metr links", "start": 8828.04, "end": 8834.88}, {"text": "responsibility uh but I think it's important for this committee to to to know and see that metr linkx is living", "start": 8834.88, "end": 8841.8}, {"text": "up to um those the you know the promises that they've stood in front of this committee many times to reassure us of", "start": 8841.8, "end": 8850.359}, {"text": "um so question one is is there room in both the change in the terms of", "start": 8850.359, "end": 8855.68}, {"text": "reference and in your monitoring to provide more reporting on on the the", "start": 8855.68, "end": 8862.72}, {"text": "metr links portion I know you're limited a little bit by the memorandum of understanding um but uh there has some", "start": 8862.72, "end": 8870.56}, {"text": "challenges from my peers in the Toronto Community benefits Network in getting", "start": 8870.56, "end": 8875.6}, {"text": "proper reporting from Metro links on those commitments um so I'll ask that", "start": 8875.6, "end": 8881.8}, {"text": "question first through the chair um Andrew's", "start": 8881.8, "end": 8888.12}, {"text": "member a very good question as we clearly mentioned in our report this", "start": 8888.12, "end": 8893.64}, {"text": "this whole tracking framework is how it is influencing the other City initiatives right so it is not about how", "start": 8893.64, "end": 8901.68}, {"text": "this project is been implemented because implementation of this project is responsibility of Metro links and", "start": 8901.68, "end": 8907.84}, {"text": "Province through different regimes so the whole intention of this tracking framework is how this project is", "start": 8907.84, "end": 8913.96}, {"text": "influencing other areas just like what we provided some example like ridership", "start": 8913.96, "end": 8919.399}, {"text": "investment population employment and other things so that's the whole intention but we believe you know that", "start": 8919.399, "end": 8925.76}, {"text": "the how project is being implemented that remains with Metro links and the province", "start": 8925.76, "end": 8932.04}, {"text": "and thank you to the chair I I I appreciate that I guess my my question", "start": 8932.68, "end": 8938.279}, {"text": "is though around where the city feels that it might just do some tracking or", "start": 8938.279, "end": 8945.64}, {"text": "monitoring of those commitments um I know that they're they're the they're", "start": 8945.64, "end": 8951.2}, {"text": "paying for the project and they're the partners but you know they've promised 6,000 employment 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procurement process uh so", "start": 9002.84, "end": 9010.08}, {"text": "number of things which we need to discuss with Metro Links what could be shared publicly and other because there are some", "start": 9010.08, "end": 9016.359}, {"text": "confidentiality through the procurement process but definitely we will take that information we will discuss with Metro", "start": 9016.359, "end": 9022.16}, {"text": "Links what could be reported and those kind of thing we can bring back to when we are presenting the second report", "start": 9022.16, "end": 9029.08}, {"text": "thank you and two other quick comments I wanted to make on this is um on the", "start": 9029.08, "end": 9037.359}, {"text": "plans for your office and City Communications staff to distill this", "start": 9037.359, "end": 9043.12}, {"text": "information into something that's a little bit more Community accessible as you know this has been a contentious", "start": 9043.12, "end": 9049.56}, {"text": "project um and you're talking about providing a lot of metrics here um", "start": 9049.56, "end": 9055.64}, {"text": "including um City Investments that are changing things like the inclusive", "start": 9055.64, "end": 9061.319}, {"text": "community section or uh the environment section on investments you might be", "start": 9061.319, "end": 9067.08}, {"text": "making around the corridor or around the especially around the mtsa areas uh that", "start": 9067.08, "end": 9073.84}, {"text": "which could include inclusionary zoning if passed by the city so I'm curious if", "start": 9073.84, "end": 9079.2}, {"text": "there's aad broader communication plan to kind of distill this into you know", "start": 9079.2, "end": 9085.08}, {"text": "infographics and stuff that's a little bit more accessible to the public than", "start": 9085.08, "end": 9090.16}, {"text": "um you know the standard City [Music] report and through the chair and this is", "start": 9090.16, "end": 9097}, {"text": "actually the second report which 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"subcommittee thank you my my last question um quickly and thank", "start": 9137.12, "end": 9143.16}, {"text": "you again through the chair director uh for your for your answer is", "start": 9143.16, "end": 9149.16}, {"text": "um and you you mention it a little bit in the report but the city of Hamilton", "start": 9149.16, "end": 9155.399}, {"text": "and has engaged in a pile of different initiatives that um are often criticized", "start": 9155.399, "end": 9163.16}, {"text": "by I by people in in the community benefits Network and activist groups", "start": 9163.16, "end": 9169.2}, {"text": "around the negative challenges of the LRT um for example our new um anti- Ren", "start": 9169.2, "end": 9176.399}, {"text": "eviction bylaw or the um tenant defense fund um if there's a way that you could", "start": 9176.399, "end": 9184.68}, {"text": "link some of those other City Investments at least in the areas where", "start": 9184.68, "end": 9190.08}, {"text": "they're affecting the Hamilton 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9329.04}, {"text": "think could go a really long way towards uh being able to identify and then", "start": 9329.04, "end": 9334.96}, {"text": "eventually mitigate any of those tension points along the corridor through you madam chair thank", "start": 9334.96, "end": 9342.16}, {"text": "you very much for the question um many of the examples you saw in the report are coming from region of Bor are", "start": 9342.16, "end": 9348.08}, {"text": "learning how they're doing it was only an indication so if we get a sense of how they have done obviously we need to", "start": 9348.08, "end": 9354.2}, {"text": "adopt our own dimensions of the units and to your point we need to be sensitive to what we have and adopt", "start": 9354.2, "end": 9360.72}, {"text": "those indicators um that would fit us and absolutely that would be part of our", "start": 9360.72, "end": 9367}, {"text": "homework to go back and make sure the indicators and units that we Define are matching that serve our needs they 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"represented in the increase in property tax revenue being generated from that", "start": 9503.319, "end": 9509}, {"text": "new land um and that if that could be included in the way that you are", "start": 9509, "end": 9514.76}, {"text": "presenting this data it would also help um people better understand that this is", "start": 9514.76, "end": 9521.16}, {"text": "an investment that is driving not not only new new", "start": 9521.16, "end": 9526.24}, {"text": "construction uh and new jobs but also new revenue for the city of Hamilton um", "start": 9526.24, "end": 9533.52}, {"text": "a you know a a parking lot that's paying $110,000 a year is is not nearly as good", "start": 9533.52, "end": 9539.04}, {"text": "as a condominium paying uh you know 1.2 million um and so I would like to see", "start": 9539.04, "end": 9546.16}, {"text": "that better represented in your building improvements statistics and I just think", "start": 9546.16, "end": 9551.96}, {"text": "going back out to 2011 is a 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you on to", "start": 9677.08, "end": 9682.399}, {"text": "consent items first up is a information on potential Grant and support programs", "start": 9682.399, "end": 9687.64}, {"text": "related to the LRT construction ped report 24182 may please have a mve in secondary", "start": 9687.64, "end": 9693.56}, {"text": "to receive the report moved by councelor hang second to by councelor crutch any", "start": 9693.56, "end": 9698.6}, {"text": "discussion councelor hang thank", "start": 9698.6, "end": 9702.56}, {"text": "you s just to let you know Dan is interested in also Al being on the speaker list um thank you for this", "start": 9706.16, "end": 9712.64}, {"text": "report I am thankful for the amount of work that went into it because it was", "start": 9712.64, "end": 9717.8}, {"text": "very fullsome it spanned literally all of Canada and into the United States so", "start": 9717.8, "end": 9723.279}, {"text": "I do have a couple of questions and I'm going to pull up my questions that I 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"end": 9776.84}, {"text": "think what uh will be really impactful going forward as the project proceeds", "start": 9776.84, "end": 9783.56}, {"text": "closer to construction is uh leaz in with the business Improvement areas to", "start": 9783.56, "end": 9790.52}, {"text": "ensure that the businesses are getting the support that they need and by that", "start": 9790.52, "end": 9795.64}, {"text": "it would be you know what we've seen from the research in into best practices", "start": 9795.64, "end": 9801.08}, {"text": "is supports for way finding signage understanding the projections that the", "start": 9801.08, "end": 9807.2}, {"text": "construction schedule so that the businesses know when they will be affected and I think that is the plan", "start": 9807.2, "end": 9813.439}, {"text": "through metr links LRT that we would want to be cognizant of that schedule", "start": 9813.439, "end": 9819.88}, {"text": "also to keep in mind because a lot of the funding that we saw was from other 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way in advance like couple of months in advance right so you know these are the", "start": 9958.56, "end": 9965.68}, {"text": "things which we will supplement the city standard process with Metro standard process in my opinion is going to be a", "start": 9965.68, "end": 9971.6}, {"text": "much better and and we also Len learned from other Aon CR town and horario LT", "start": 9971.6, "end": 9977.279}, {"text": "project which could be a more beneficial to this project but I can ask", "start": 9977.279, "end": 9982.479}, {"text": "if you know public work either uh had English can provide uh input you know", "start": 9982.479, "end": 9989.84}, {"text": "what is the city standard process in terms of road closure Dennis Bruen is also here he's full-time on L project so", "start": 9989.84, "end": 9995.64}, {"text": "anyone if somebody's online can provide a standard input so add to you first yes I um good", "start": 9995.64, "end": 10005.56}, {"text": "morning through you chair this this City's Construction Services uh", "start": 10005.56, "end": 10010.96}, {"text": "department does put out uh notifications on road closures particularly uh well in", "start": 10010.96, "end": 10016.96}, {"text": "advance um on major thoroughfares major projects uh where the public is uh", "start": 10016.96, "end": 10023.24}, {"text": "affected um we've just uh this year started getting into the practice of", "start": 10023.24, "end": 10028.68}, {"text": "providing a storing map for these projects which is an interactive website uh where you can", "start": 10028.68, "end": 10036.2}, {"text": "look and see uh at at different stages of the project uh we we provide updates", "start": 10036.2, "end": 10041.96}, {"text": "on all of those um on those projects as well and as well as different phases", "start": 10041.96, "end": 10047.64}, {"text": "through uh the project and it doesn't just start um you know previous to", "start": 10047.64, "end": 10053.399}, {"text": "construction starting uh those story maps are updated as we go through the", "start": 10053.399, "end": 10058.68}, {"text": "project right through to its completion thank you for that my third", "start": 10058.68, "end": 10065.76}, {"text": "question then through you chair is um as we're speaking about financial", "start": 10065.76, "end": 10072}, {"text": "incentives as we're speaking about potentially tax relief or tax programs I know that we could we already have sepas", "start": 10072, "end": 10080.76}, {"text": "and we have already identified most of the LRT route is along a existing sepa I", "start": 10080.76, "end": 10088.04}, {"text": "think about W four and into W five where we actually don't have a sepa um that", "start": 10088.04, "end": 10093.92}, {"text": "supports anything beyond Ottawa Street uh so what's the plan for something like", "start": 10093.92, "end": 10099.16}, {"text": "that as we as it relates to business supports and as it relates to this particular", "start": 10099.16, "end": 10104.319}, {"text": "report thank you through the chair uh you're correct um a lot of the LRT route", "start": 10104.319, "end": 10110}, {"text": "is on the um LR along the LRT route and it is probably more of the east side", "start": 10110, "end": 10117.2}, {"text": "that there's some gaps so we could look at when we're reviewing we start", "start": 10117.2, "end": 10122.319}, {"text": "reviewing our CIP because we do it every five years so in 2025 we're towards the", "start": 10122.319, "end": 10127.84}, {"text": "last quarter half of the year we'll start reviewing our CIP with hopefully a", "start": 10127.84, "end": 10133.72}, {"text": "report for a new CIP to Council in the first or second quarter of", "start": 10133.72, "end": 10139.439}, {"text": "2026 so what we can do is look at that and um incorporate any uh I guess when", "start": 10139.439, "end": 10147.16}, {"text": "we do our best practices review and talk to you as well Council and the community", "start": 10147.16, 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"want to leave it in the hands of Metro Links per se so I'm thinking about it", "start": 10197.439, "end": 10202.72}, {"text": "from a proactive sort of perspective um what is a potential Next Step um given", "start": 10202.72, "end": 10208.359}, {"text": "this report um through the chair I think what's will be really important is to", "start": 10208.359, "end": 10214.239}, {"text": "have uh regular communication between the LRT team with Metro links and", "start": 10214.239, "end": 10220.12}, {"text": "economic development so that I can relay concerns of businesses and the business", "start": 10220.12, "end": 10225.8}, {"text": "Improvement areas and I can give that uh perspective and and of like example last", "start": 10225.8, "end": 10233.52}, {"text": "night attending the downtown Hampton Bia AGM metr linkx was there to uh give", "start": 10233.52, "end": 10240.08}, {"text": "their update and I was able to communicate with Metro linkx uh last night as well so I think regular", "start": 10240.08, "end": 10247.08}, {"text": "conversation so that we're all align in terms of what the goals are thank you", "start": 10247.08, "end": 10253.08}, {"text": "thank you chair those are all my questions thank you councelor thank you manager lamb next up we have member", "start": 10253.08, "end": 10259.279}, {"text": "omazic through the chair thank you for the report uh just had one question don't know if you have any um Insight or", "start": 10259.279, "end": 10265.84}, {"text": "clarification the question around bonusing and the limitations and the Toronto program although it was", "start": 10265.84, "end": 10271.399}, {"text": "federally funded was still delivered by the municipality do we know how that was not considered bonusing", "start": 10271.399, "end": 10280.04}, {"text": "from what I understand um to the chair the city of Toronto funding and and I", "start": 10280.04, "end": 10286.319}, {"text": "know City of Toronto have its own act compared to the ano 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{"text": "street or on a different lot so um in this I'm wondering what the city of", "start": 10389.84, "end": 10396.92}, {"text": "Hamilton's plan is to kind of work with metr links to improve um that that that", "start": 10396.92, "end": 10403.72}, {"text": "problem and my uh my second um comment slash question is a lot of the programs", "start": 10403.72, "end": 10410.08}, {"text": "that are mentioned in here um involve b", "start": 10410.08, "end": 10415.16}, {"text": "or Chambers or other organizations and uh there's a great many racialized", "start": 10415.16, "end": 10420.96}, {"text": "businesses that are outside the catchment area of Bia um especially", "start": 10420.96, "end": 10426.84}, {"text": "again bringing up the Egon cross Town example who suffered immensely during", "start": 10426.84, "end": 10432.359}, {"text": "LRT construction it decimated their little Jamaica uh killing a you don't", "start": 10432.359, "end": 10439}, {"text": "know dozens and dozens of businesses down there so I'm wondering um you know", "start": 10439, "end": 10444.6}, {"text": "because we're we're talking about putting a climate Justice and an equity Justice lens in previous", "start": 10444.6, "end": 10451.08}, {"text": "motions what considerations are being given to the fact that there aren't you", "start": 10451.08, "end": 10457.56}, {"text": "know just Bas that deliver Services there are other perhaps Community groups", "start": 10457.56, "end": 10462.6}, {"text": "Etc that are connected to these businesses and how that's being considered in um not just this report", "start": 10462.6, "end": 10471.319}, {"text": "but in future construction mitigation for", "start": 10471.319, "end": 10476.04}, {"text": "businesses through the chair I'll I'll start off and perhaps I'll uh turn it over to the LRT team you're right the", "start": 10478.04, "end": 10485.84}, {"text": "you know right now there's probably two Bas that are on the LRT route uh some", "start": 10485.84, "end": 10492.52}, {"text": "others are close by but a large part of the um LRT rout are not covered by bia", "start": 10492.52, "end": 10500.08}, {"text": "so I you know I would assume and expect that a lot of the communication plan", "start": 10500.08, "end": 10506.52}, {"text": "should involve all businesses along the LRT route and so that would be with metr", "start": 10506.52, "end": 10513.12}, {"text": "links and LRT as what is the engagement uh communication plan and I would think", "start": 10513.12, "end": 10520.279}, {"text": "parking is a big part of that I know at the moment Metro linkx has a community", "start": 10520.279, "end": 10525.84}, {"text": "uh uh office right at uh across the street in within the Bia but that", "start": 10525.84, "end": 10533.04}, {"text": "anybody can actually attend and talk to the Metro Links people um when they're", "start": 10533.04, "end": 10538.84}, {"text": "there but I'll I'll turn it over to the director through the chair thank you", "start": 10538.84, "end": 10544.16}, {"text": "Judy uh as previously Judy mentioned that there will be we are planning to have regular meetings with Metrolink", "start": 10544.16, "end": 10551}, {"text": "City and economic development and the plan is to to to look at all these", "start": 10551, "end": 10556.56}, {"text": "opportunities because meton has obligation towards the four pillar strategy and one of the pillar is about", "start": 10556.56, "end": 10562.359}, {"text": "business support so we will be closely working with metrol links to add requirements into the project uh", "start": 10562.359, "end": 10568.8}, {"text": "whatever we can work together and and another thing is about contractor you know as as you know this Alliance", "start": 10568.8, "end": 10574.8}, {"text": "project is different than other project what you have seen Alli project is you know all parties working collaboratively", "start": 10574.8, "end": 10580.92}, {"text": "City Metro Links contracted and others so I think we have a great opportunity to sit together with the with the", "start": 10580.92, "end": 10587.88}, {"text": "contractor to add what we believe is appropriate requirement of the project is right so those things will be uh", "start": 10587.88, "end": 10594.88}, {"text": "working together with Mings Economic Development city thank you director member and thank you and I and", "start": 10594.88, "end": 10603.359}, {"text": "I appreciate your comments um I just wanted to you know make sure that those lines of communication need to be quick", "start": 10603.359, "end": 10611.56}, {"text": "and tend not to be and tend to be a little bureaucratic So the faster that", "start": 10611.56, "end": 10617.08}, {"text": "you can streamline that process so that a contractor knows that hey maybe you", "start": 10617.08, "end": 10622.319}, {"text": "can park you know that piece of heavy machinery across the street because this", "start": 10622.319, "end": 10627.52}, {"text": "business owner has complained um would be good in your negotiations with Metro", "start": 10627.52, "end": 10634.12}, {"text": "links and your ongoing conversations that's my final comment thank you thank you member", "start": 10634.12, "end": 10640.68}, {"text": "Walsh in the report I noticed that the Seattle example included some um", "start": 10640.68, "end": 10646.96}, {"text": "quantifiable measures of success for that specific initiative and I'm just wondering if um there's other data", "start": 10646.96, "end": 10654.399}, {"text": "available or could be made available for uh measures of of success of these other", "start": 10654.399, "end": 10660.04}, {"text": "initiatives that are also in the report so that we could better compare and", "start": 10660.04, "end": 10664.84}, {"text": "contrast uh through the chair yeah we can look and especially with uh farad's", "start": 10666.12, "end": 10671.319}, {"text": "previous uh presentation about measures um to look at what other measures we", "start": 10671.319, "end": 10676.8}, {"text": "could use in terms of measuring effectiveness of whatever Grant programs there are you know an example would be", "start": 10676.8, "end": 10683.399}, {"text": "let's say the promotional campaigns is to see the Outreach in terms of how many", "start": 10683.399, "end": 10690.16}, {"text": "people uh we reach so if there was another campaign such as I've seen uh", "start": 10690.16, "end": 10696.52}, {"text": "gift cards to to encourage people to purchase within Bia as an example is to", "start": 10696.52, "end": 10703.92}, {"text": "see what the effective of those campaigns are so yes we can look at uh different metrics that we've us looked", "start": 10703.92, "end": 10711.96}, {"text": "uh at the other cities thank you great uh that exhausts", "start": 10711.96, "end": 10719.12}, {"text": "our speakers list so at this point I'm looking for a mve in second or removed by councel hang oh we already have that", "start": 10719.12, "end": 10725.52}, {"text": "thank you awesome vote", "start": 10725.52, "end": 10730.039}, {"text": "that carries thank you um onto notices of motion I will relinquish the chair to", "start": 10747.239, "end": 10752.64}, {"text": "our vice chair as I want to introduce a motion that'll stay as a notice of motion", "start": 10752.64, "end": 10760}, {"text": "so through you um and if I could please um ask", "start": 10761.52, "end": 10769.359}, {"text": "Elsie McIntosh to put it on the", "start": 10769.359, "end": 10772.881}, {"text": "screen thank you uh so for committees consideration next committee meeting", "start": 10780.76, "end": 10786.6}, {"text": "whereas as owners of the Hamilton Light Rail Transit project Metro linkx is", "start": 10786.6, "end": 10791.76}, {"text": "responsible for project procurement scheduling and delivery and whereas the Hamilton Light Rail Transit", "start": 10791.76, "end": 10797.04}, {"text": "subcommittee's mandate includes providing input and guidance to the LRT office project team on sign significant", "start": 10797.04, "end": 10803.279}, {"text": "issues and decisions as well as Engage The broader community on a regular basis throughout the design planning and", "start": 10803.279, "end": 10809.88}, {"text": "construction process of the LRT and whereas the LRT subcommittee is the most direct source of official updates for", "start": 10809.88, "end": 10816.279}, {"text": "residents of the of the city of Hamilton therefore be it resolved that the city of Hamilton requests that staff from", "start": 10816.279, "end": 10821.8}, {"text": "metr links attend the LRT subcommittee on a regular basis to provide updates on Project milestones and the overall", "start": 10821.8, "end": 10828.92}, {"text": "progress of the project to inform and educate residents about the project and to leverage an opportunity to understand", "start": 10828.92, "end": 10835.479}, {"text": "better the areas impacted so I'll leave it as is um for committee's consideration next meeting I'll take", "start": 10835.479, "end": 10843.16}, {"text": "back the chair any other notices of motion committee members", "start": 10843.16, "end": 10848.6}, {"text": "seeing none we'll move on to general information and other business are there", "start": 10849.64, "end": 10855.279}, {"text": "any seeing none we'll move on to accepting the Clos session minutes of", "start": 10855.279, "end": 10860.64}, {"text": "September 20th may I please have a mover and seconder to approve the close session minutes moved by councelor hang", "start": 10860.64, "end": 10866.12}, {"text": "second by counselor Francis any if we need any discussion on the minutes we have to go into close so assuming seeing", "start": 10866.12, "end": 10873.399}, {"text": "none not assuming seeing none that will require an electronic vote", "start": 10873.399, "end": 10879.92}, {"text": "n carries thank you on to adjournment may I please have a move in secondary move by councelor Fang seconded by oh", "start": 10887.319, "end": 10892.92}, {"text": "cancer crutch awesome uh anybody opposed please move uh please vote thank", "start": 10892.92, "end": 10900.2}, {"text": "you to all of our subcomittee members for your attendance and deliberations today thank you staff for all your", "start": 10900.2, "end": 10905.439}, {"text": "preparation for today's meeting thank you um to the clerk's team for all your Technical and procedural support today", "start": 10905.439, "end": 10911.56}, {"text": "thank you carried bye", "start": 10911.56, "end": 10915.8}]