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"transportation and child care and still have enough leftover to participate in", "start": 3172.72, "end": 3178.52}, {"text": "community life it's about making sure that those who contribute to the vibrancy of our city aren't forced to", "start": 3178.52, "end": 3185.559}, {"text": "choose between paying the rent and putting food on the table here in Hamilton where we see the rising cost of", "start": 3185.559, "end": 3192}, {"text": "living outpacing incomes the living wage is not just a goal it's a necessity it's", "start": 3192, "end": 3197.72}, {"text": "a tool to address poverty and inequality while promoting economic stability when", "start": 3197.72, "end": 3203.92}, {"text": "workers earn enough to live they spend locally supporting Hamilton's businesses", "start": 3203.92, "end": 3209.52}, {"text": "creating jobs and strengthening our local economy uh we've seen forward", "start": 3209.52, "end": 3215.079}, {"text": "looking employers uh across the community voluntarily adopt living wages", "start": 3215.079, "end": 3220.359}, {"text": "including new uh living wage employers such as neighbor to neighbor uh which have uh just recently", "start": 3220.359, "end": 3227.28}, {"text": "certified they're demonstrating leadership and care for their employees these businesses have seen the bit", "start": 3227.28, "end": 3234.2}, {"text": "benefits firsthand in reduced turnover uh higher morale improve productivity", "start": 3234.2, "end": 3240.319}, {"text": "paying a living wage isn't just the right thing to do it's a smart investment now we have an opportunity to", "start": 3240.319, "end": 3246.76}, {"text": "lead by example as a municipality as well so I'd like to urge Hamilton City", "start": 3246.76, "end": 3251.92}, {"text": "Council to get behind the living wage movement as as Council has been over the last decade really as at the Forefront", "start": 3251.92, "end": 3259.64}, {"text": "of of this uh movement uh we'd like to encourage those doing business 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with that the residence is one of Hamilton's few underfunded solutions for homelessness and the monthly weight", "start": 3835.4, "end": 3841.4}, {"text": "weight list for us of 220 underscores the critical need for sustainable support our model prioritizes stable", "start": 3841.4, "end": 3848.599}, {"text": "housing as the foundation for addressing mental health addiction and other challenges by offering individualized", "start": 3848.599, "end": 3854.4}, {"text": "support we prevent homelessness and reduce strain on Community Resources this model has proven effective yet", "start": 3854.4, "end": 3860}, {"text": "without consistent funding uh the YMCA residence remains vulnerable to rising cost increasing Health comp complexities", "start": 3860, "end": 3866.559}, {"text": "and still recovering from the pandemic our commitment to Hamilton's Visions to end chronic homelessness runs deep we're", "start": 3866.559, "end": 3873.119}, {"text": "advocating for operational funding to meet the complex needs of residents that includes infrastructure upgrades to meet", "start": 3873.119, "end": 3878.48}, {"text": "modern housing standards and wraparound supports as Manny um shared I'll now ask Manny to come back to to share our", "start": 3878.48, "end": 3885.039}, {"text": "immediate needs delegate um delegates you're at", "start": 3885.039, "end": 3890.359}, {"text": "the five minute Mark may I ask if you have anything of length I just want to show last slide", "start": 3890.359, "end": 3896.319}, {"text": "thank you for the time so please proceed oh thank you the last slide just", "start": 3896.319, "end": 3902.68}, {"text": "highlights again that the request for putting in so we're happy to answer any questions and thank you for the delegation thank you for your", "start": 3902.68, "end": 3909.24}, {"text": "participation councelor spap for I will recognize for a question thank you thank you chair um", "start": 3909.24, "end": 3917.279}, {"text": "first off uh to both you thank you for you and your team and everything you do at the YMCA um I'm sure it's uh", "start": 3917.279, "end": 3924.16}, {"text": "appreciated by your residence but also uh residents throughout our city my first question and might be the only one", "start": 3924.16, "end": 3930.72}, {"text": "do you currently receive annual funding from the city of Hamilton no we do not we've got the city", "start": 3930.72, "end": 3937.359}, {"text": "enrichment funding which um I was about 28,000 we apply for but nothing beyond", "start": 3937.359, "end": 3943.2}, {"text": "that okay that's good for me thank you thank you councelor", "start": 3943.2, "end": 3949.2}, {"text": "Jackson good afternoon budget chair Moren Wilson thank you uh good to see you again Manny and nice to meet you", "start": 3949.2, "end": 3955.16}, {"text": "jenev um just two or three questions for clarification please I was intrigued by", "start": 3955.16, "end": 3960.599}, {"text": "your profile of 18-year-olds at the young age up to 82 year olds can you", "start": 3960.599, "end": 3965.839}, {"text": "give me some indication as to who that 18-year-old might be who the 82y old", "start": 3965.839, "end": 3971.24}, {"text": "might be in other words budget chair uh Wilson is the 18-year-old hypothetically an escape from a bad domestic situation", "start": 3971.24, "end": 3978.559}, {"text": "at home uh isn't doing well in school and at the opposite end of the age Spectrum the 82-year-old uh possible R", "start": 3978.559, "end": 3985.839}, {"text": "eviction just maybe help me understand a little bit of the profiles further if you could please CEO figorito please I", "start": 3985.839, "end": 3991.92}, {"text": "I'll go first I probably wouldn't be able to speak about this until the recent fire because all of us got to", "start": 3991.92, "end": 3997.68}, {"text": "know 17070 men quite deeply but it's a combination of three things around", "start": 3997.68, "end": 4005.119}, {"text": "environment um so maybe the environment in terms of um their home environment", "start": 4005.119, "end": 4010.24}, {"text": "with situation has caused them to be homeless or need our support economics", "start": 4010.24, "end": 4016.16}, {"text": "I would say are there because it's just so deeply affordable at $450 uh a month and if they can't afford", "start": 4016.16, "end": 4023.279}, {"text": "it we subsidize over $200,000 a year through generous donors and the third is experience", "start": 4023.279, "end": 4028.88}, {"text": "whether um some experience in life which cause trauma that forc them to turn to addiction so the profile is either one", "start": 4028.88, "end": 4036.16}, {"text": "of those or an intersection of all three so like I would say environment economics and experience so that's what", "start": 4036.16, "end": 4042.359}, {"text": "we're exper what we're seeing what and I would say 40 30 years ago you would have seen multi there simply because of", "start": 4042.359, "end": 4049.319}, {"text": "transitioning economics cheap place to stay and then now they can find another place to go to that has shifted", "start": 4049.319, "end": 4055.64}, {"text": "completely appreciate that um a follow-up question uh budget chair Wilson you put up 75% face mental health", "start": 4055.64, "end": 4063.72}, {"text": "and addiction challenges now I would um like to think we need the ym in a even", "start": 4063.72, "end": 4071.039}, {"text": "greater uh capacity in our community especially with what might residents have experienced in neighborhood parks", "start": 4071.039, "end": 4078.24}, {"text": "but some of the ones that have such severe mental addictions and narcotics addictions can you help me understand", "start": 4078.24, "end": 4084.2}, {"text": "the type of programs you help to help those that are facing these uh type of addictions Vice uh vice president had", "start": 4084.2, "end": 4091.76}, {"text": "hadish please yeah thank you and it's a great question um I think we're seeing that challenge more than ever and one of", "start": 4091.76, "end": 4099.08}, {"text": "the the reasons that we've come here is that we don't have the wraparound Operational Support to do what we need", "start": 4099.08, "end": 4104.798}, {"text": "we know is is needed for the quality and service that and the dignity that these these men deserve um gratefully we've", "start": 4104.799, "end": 4110.719}, {"text": "been able to partner through you know all the the partners in the community um including you know St Joe's who's really", "start": 4110.719, "end": 4116.92}, {"text": "stepped up for us in the fire around some case management um so there's a willingness from the partners but what", "start": 4116.92, "end": 4122.159}, {"text": "we're lacking is um the funding to be able to execute on really some best practice and hence that", "start": 4122.159, "end": 4129.04}, {"text": "350,000 ask is hypothetically what that would go towards last question budget chair Wilson the 36 six deaths sadly and", "start": 4129.04, "end": 4137.159}, {"text": "tragically since 2000 again uh possibly give us some indication um taken their", "start": 4137.159, "end": 4143.318}, {"text": "old life suicide um was it something that just um self-esteem was lacking and", "start": 4143.319, "end": 4149.238}, {"text": "no hope for the future again just some indication as to what tragically led to 36 deaths in four years and that's my", "start": 4149.239, "end": 4155.679}, {"text": "last question budget chair Wilson yeah I think it's it's a great", "start": 4155.679, "end": 4162.199}, {"text": "question um I would say a mix in that that period of time one of the things that we know the uh code red series", "start": 4162.199, "end": 4168.278}, {"text": "taught us is around postal codes can be a driver of health and so what we would see is while men living in our residents", "start": 4168.279, "end": 4173.52}, {"text": "the average age being 52 um health conditions are are reduced and so we're seeing", "start": 4173.52, "end": 4179.719}, {"text": "people dying of could be heart attacks could be uh General poor health conditions at a much younger age than", "start": 4179.719, "end": 4185.6}, {"text": "what we might see um and we have seen a number of overdoses as well thank you for everything you folks do with the Y", "start": 4185.6, "end": 4192.199}, {"text": "thank you budget chair Wilson thank you um a number of speakers are a waiting just to give you an", "start": 4192.199, "end": 4198.56}, {"text": "indication to my colleagues councelor Nan BD Clark Paul's and Mar hor", "start": 4198.56, "end": 4204.719}, {"text": "councelor Nan thank you through you budget chair um thank you both for your presentation for your years of work and", "start": 4204.719, "end": 4211.92}, {"text": "Service uh especially in light of the rising crisis around housing access and also the ever increasing needs in our", "start": 4211.92, "end": 4219.04}, {"text": "community and across the country uh around mental health and addiction", "start": 4219.04, "end": 4224.159}, {"text": "supports um um I was wondering if you could just share with committee given given the ask for annualized funding and", "start": 4224.159, "end": 4232}, {"text": "I can completely empathize and deeply understand the structural systemic nature in which Supportive Housing and", "start": 4232, "end": 4239.28}, {"text": "wraparound supports is the key to succeeding um transition towards", "start": 4239.28, "end": 4245.4}, {"text": "permanent housing um I'm wondering how your conversations are going provincially and federally in terms of", "start": 4245.4, "end": 4251.4}, {"text": "those funding um envelopes specifically around Mental Health and Addiction Services and", "start": 4251.4, "end": 4256.719}, {"text": "those wraparound supports please and thank you yes so thank you for that question I'll and I'll preface that um so we are", "start": 4256.719, "end": 4265}, {"text": "having the conversations and they're and they're just as CH they're challenging but we're um going to each level of", "start": 4265, "end": 4270.679}, {"text": "government to talk about grant opportunities around the wraparound supports and I'll highlight prior to the", "start": 4270.679, "end": 4275.719}, {"text": "fire um you know I we this pin that says why saves lives and Council Jack talk", "start": 4275.719, "end": 4280.76}, {"text": "about the number of deaths and I said we're not doing Justice we're putting a roof over their heads and I've learned", "start": 4280.76, "end": 4286.28}, {"text": "that why they like going there one of the reasons the relationship with staff who do incredible work but also because", "start": 4286.28, "end": 4291.52}, {"text": "they have their own individual space and when the fire happened and they had to be out and about in gym on CS then I saw", "start": 4291.52, "end": 4298.639}, {"text": "the reality of what Shelter Systems deal with on a dayto day we've explored and we're going to be exploring further", "start": 4298.639, "end": 4304.88}, {"text": "prior to this fire we went to waterl to the see the House of Friendship met with Jonathan newfeld around the 100 men that he has living in the shelter care model", "start": 4304.88, "end": 4312.6}, {"text": "and that model when I talked to Ontario Health about it said it's a it's an exemplary Flagship program um return on", "start": 4312.6, "end": 4320.56}, {"text": "investment on that is because the healthcare clinic is embedded within the 100 men residents with every support", "start": 4320.56, "end": 4328.08}, {"text": "funded by the The Province and um the Healthcare System who realizes if we can have the clinic within there they not", "start": 4328.08, "end": 4335.12}, {"text": "lining up at the emergency rooms and taking up beds um and so that model is really call", "start": 4335.12, "end": 4341.199}, {"text": "a third third third a third from the region of waterl a third from 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"end": 4383.679}, {"text": "Bey thank you chair and through you um I just took note of the date Manny it's", "start": 4383.679, "end": 4389.4}, {"text": "coming up in about the 10th year that we've known each other and I don't know how that happened just a quick moment of", "start": 4389.4, "end": 4396.36}, {"text": "levity I do have an actual question um I did see the slide towards the end of the", "start": 4396.36, "end": 4402.76}, {"text": "presentation and I felt like maybe that last portion of your presentation was", "start": 4402.76, "end": 4408.8}, {"text": "truncated some um I'm wondering if there's anything else you'd like to elaborate on that last slide in terms of", "start": 4408.8, "end": 4416.36}, {"text": "I'll use air quotes for the ask of what it is that you're hoping to accomplish with Council in the 2025", "start": 4416.36, "end": 4424.159}, {"text": "year thank you for that I I think the questions just were asked previously um", "start": 4424.159, "end": 4429.96}, {"text": "I extended my answer to get my message out of but what we're trying to accomplish beyond the short-term vision", "start": 4429.96, "end": 4435.239}, {"text": "where we want to go but thank you for that so I've answered I think and got the messages I want wanted to get out", "start": 4435.239, "end": 4440.719}, {"text": "thank you thank you councelor", "start": 4440.719, "end": 4446.76}, {"text": "clerk uh chair so to clarify so I understand it's a", "start": 4449, "end": 4455.52}, {"text": "$350,000 ask for the 2025 City budget and I believe I heard that it was", "start": 4455.52, "end": 4462.4}, {"text": "intended that this would be a part of a three-way split can I confirm that delegate figorito could you please", "start": 4462.4, "end": 4470.28}, {"text": "confirm to confirm not for this ask no what you heard around a three-way split", "start": 4470.28, "end": 4475.44}, {"text": "is the example the shelter car model I I um spoke about about what our vision is moving 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4576.84}, {"text": "someone to try to do that independently so there's a lot of case management needed to work through that um in", "start": 4576.84, "end": 4581.96}, {"text": "addition what we're seeing are additional needs for security support reports which would be of no surprise to", "start": 4581.96, "end": 4587.159}, {"text": "um what's happening in the downtown Corp and the", "start": 4587.159, "end": 4594}, {"text": "350,000 it basically sounds like you're going to use that funding to create a", "start": 4594, "end": 4600.679}, {"text": "Supportive Housing model chair can I get confirmation that that", "start": 4600.679, "end": 4606.88}, {"text": "is the exact intent yes that is the intent", "start": 4606.88, "end": 4615.36}, {"text": "but you're not ask to be clear chair they're not asking for any money from The Province on that", "start": 4615.36, "end": 4623.28}, {"text": "matter could you kindly uh confirm and clarify please", "start": 4623.28, "end": 4628.8}, {"text": "delegates yeah no I think the um maybe to separate the ass there's some current emerging needs that we've seen come out", "start": 4628.8, "end": 4634.719}, {"text": "of um that we saw existing before the fire have definitely emerged and become more evident throughout the fire for the", "start": 4634.719, "end": 4640.48}, {"text": "current model and enhancing the current model as we look to the future of our downtown facility um we are actively", "start": 4640.48, "end": 4647.88}, {"text": "exploring new best evidence case models which would be as Manny alluded to we're looking through um three different", "start": 4647.88, "end": 4654.639}, {"text": "levels for support for a Future Vision so we're uh We've the the current ask is for the current uh need that we're", "start": 4654.639, "end": 4662.88}, {"text": "seeing but to be clear the ask is only of the city and not of the", "start": 4664.48, "end": 4670.638}, {"text": "provins for this specific ask we are still going uh actively working through Grant applications and through um", "start": 4671.36, "end": 4678.36}, {"text": "different levels of government to see whatever support we can get that's helpful but in the context", "start": 4678.36, "end": 4685}, {"text": "that I've been trying to argue for some time now there should be uh supports", "start": 4685, "end": 4691.84}, {"text": "from The Province given that we're spending a significant amount of money on homelessness and they're spending", "start": 4691.84, "end": 4698.8}, {"text": "28.6 million so I appreciate the fact that you are uh request resting support", "start": 4698.8, "end": 4705.84}, {"text": "from The Province on that and to be clear the 350 would be our portion and", "start": 4705.84, "end": 4712.36}, {"text": "any requested funding that you're getting from the province would be above that 350", "start": 4712.36, "end": 4718.96}, {"text": "corre to be clear we've invited MPS who have come to visit and mpps to visit our", "start": 4718.96, "end": 4724.56}, {"text": "men's residents over and over because it's more powerful to see an action and", "start": 4724.56, "end": 4729.719}, {"text": "so and several of them have taken us up on the visit um as Minister Lumsden", "start": 4729.719, "end": 4736.679}, {"text": "visited yes he has for the people who are watching it just it's important to have a verbal affirmation thank you uh", "start": 4736.679, "end": 4744.4}, {"text": "yes he has he's visited and he's met us three times around it that's very", "start": 4744.4, "end": 4749.8}, {"text": "hopeful because he did tour IND well when Minister Clark was", "start": 4749.8, "end": 4755.56}, {"text": "the Municipal Affairs Minister and I was with them and he seemed supportive of supporting housing so that's very", "start": 4755.56, "end": 4761.719}, {"text": "positive thank you thank you thank you councelor", "start": 4761.719, "end": 4768.04}, {"text": "Paul thank you and through the chair thank you manie I've been to the Y the", "start": 4769, "end": 4774.32}, {"text": "men's Y and uh I was so impressed what a great work you're doing to help these", "start": 4774.32, "end": 4780.44}, {"text": "men um my question is I was really taken back uh that the 28,000 out of the", "start": 4780.44, "end": 4787.08}, {"text": "enrichment fund provided a half a day a week to help them um 125 about nine men", "start": 4787.08, "end": 4795.96}, {"text": "live there and yet we're only providing a half a day a week um so um I", "start": 4795.96, "end": 4804.08}, {"text": "understand the funding that you're asking the 350 because it's so important my question is", "start": 4804.08, "end": 4810.76}, {"text": "um um before the fire you were helping", "start": 4810.76, "end": 4816.639}, {"text": "people what changes you want now because it's evident we see the need more often", "start": 4816.639, "end": 4823}, {"text": "what change of what you're doing after the", "start": 4823, "end": 4827.639}, {"text": "fire would you like to summarize again thank you sure um I think we've learned", "start": 4828.08, "end": 4834.159}, {"text": "a lot from the immediate fire um and and since that time it's been active I would", "start": 4834.159, "end": 4839.28}, {"text": "say very intense by the staff on finding permanent rehousing and the efforts that go into case management sometimes it's", "start": 4839.28, "end": 4845.88}, {"text": "transitioning people to long-term care if they've been screened for that so we'd like to see an enhanced model um", "start": 4845.88, "end": 4852.199}, {"text": "that we can we can do it based on the needs and the more complex challenges that we're seeing and not have it", "start": 4852.199, "end": 4857.679}, {"text": "limited by I've only got four hours worth of support for for this week so I think it's uh enhancing that uh as well", "start": 4857.679, "end": 4864.32}, {"text": "as the you know the ongoing issue of food security um and and safety measures to make sure that the men can live in", "start": 4864.32, "end": 4870.04}, {"text": "dignity thank you for that I was struck by uh you talked about Jason and Scott", "start": 4870.04, "end": 4876.199}, {"text": "you said that Scott live lives there lived there U still lives there I assume for eight years do you um is that the", "start": 4876.199, "end": 4885.28}, {"text": "longest uh stay of a person that needs", "start": 4885.28, "end": 4890.92}, {"text": "housing no the longest stay we've got is actually someone that has uh been there longer than I worked for the Y uh so", "start": 4890.92, "end": 4897}, {"text": "he's been with us for 30 years is our longest staying resident say he's yeah complex Health", "start": 4897, "end": 4903.52}, {"text": "needs um has had um an amputation since staying with us uh managing diabetes but", "start": 4903.52, "end": 4908.56}, {"text": "because um people know who he is and there's care and Trust in knowing he's", "start": 4908.56, "end": 4913.719}, {"text": "got a community there the why he's uh he's chosen to stay there that that's amazing so um so this is more like", "start": 4913.719, "end": 4921.679}, {"text": "permanent housing for this gentleman for something do you get in contact with housing first to see whether they could", "start": 4921.679, "end": 4928.679}, {"text": "transition to a home or uh to an apartment by themsel or whatever or uh", "start": 4928.679, "end": 4935.679}, {"text": "you just let them stay there I mean to be there 30 years it's a long time yeah absolutely and I think one of", "start": 4935.679, "end": 4943.199}, {"text": "the things that we work actually with with is to build trust in relationships to help navigate uh the system and allow", "start": 4943.199, "end": 4948.8}, {"text": "people a choice where uh they may move throughout the system so um sometimes there's lots of choices available and", "start": 4948.8, "end": 4954.84}, {"text": "sometimes there's there's very few yeah uh I just want to say how impressed I", 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and councelor Clark uh but one of the the things I wonder about is", "start": 5008.36, "end": 5015.679}, {"text": "whether the local uh Ontario health Team the Jin is aware of your services aware", "start": 5015.679, "end": 5021.92}, {"text": "of your need whether you've approached them at all for some kind of funding support and or", "start": 5021.92, "end": 5027.159}, {"text": "recommendation uh for the ministry of uh Health to to fund the services I I just", "start": 5027.159, "end": 5033.159}, {"text": "um I I find it's frustrating for our table uh to continue to pick up the", "start": 5033.159, "end": 5039.56}, {"text": "pieces when the provincial government refuses uh to pick up the pieces that that should be under their opice and", "start": 5039.56, "end": 5045.8}, {"text": "that is mental health and addictions um it's not something that should be funded from the municipal tax base and yet we", "start": 5045.8, "end": 5053.36}, {"text": "find ourselves always being the ones because these are people in our community uh we understand the need um", "start": 5053.36, "end": 5061.6}, {"text": "very much so but what I I think one of the things that councelor Clark was", "start": 5061.6, "end": 5066.8}, {"text": "referring to and I'm sorry to speak for you councelor Clark I don't mean to uh is that you keep every time we have", "start": 5066.8, "end": 5072.159}, {"text": "these conversations you raised that very issue uh and so just get an understanding of what's what's your um", "start": 5072.159, "end": 5079.159}, {"text": "approach when it comes to the the Gin the uh greater Hamilton Health Network or family health Team or or whatever you", "start": 5079.159, "end": 5085.92}, {"text": "want to call it it used to be the linnn are the uh Ontario health Team rather", "start": 5085.92, "end": 5091.119}, {"text": "locally yeah no I think they're um all great suggestions and work that we know is really important to do um in looking", "start": 5091.119, "end": 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to be operational to allow for those uh the Future Vision to happen and I think", "start": 5133.48, "end": 5139.92}, {"text": "that's the the question that we're seeing immediate needs um the staff right now have been really prioritizing", "start": 5139.92, "end": 5146.84}, {"text": "getting people homes and making sure they're in and um and so I think we'd look to the the city as well to help", "start": 5146.84, "end": 5152.639}, {"text": "support in conversations around um how we can work collaborative because we want to be part of the solution and uh", "start": 5152.639, "end": 5157.92}, {"text": "we'll need you know cross- sectoral approach to do that but the conversations are active um and it's one", "start": 5157.92, "end": 5163.76}, {"text": "of the Silver Linings we had coming out of the fire is you know the community support and Outreach that came together", "start": 5163.76, "end": 5168.8}, {"text": "uh we just need to make sure we can get to a point that we can allow a Future Vision to", "start": 5168.8, "end": 5174.159}, {"text": "happen thank you councelor Dano could you please take the chair as the vice chair of budget", "start": 5174.159, "end": 5180.08}, {"text": "please go ahead thank you it's very difficult in a 5minute delegation I can", "start": 5180.08, "end": 5185.719}, {"text": "appreciate to try and um uh reveal all the particulars you can certainly hear", "start": 5185.719, "end": 5191.52}, {"text": "from my colleagues an interest in trying to understand those details and also", "start": 5191.52, "end": 5196.56}, {"text": "some of the formalities in your ask to those bodies that are constitutionally responsible for the delivery of health", "start": 5196.56, "end": 5203.719}, {"text": "and housing um my question uh through uh chair Dano is has this uh request been", "start": 5203.719, "end": 5211.48}, {"text": "formally submitted to City staff what is its status at", "start": 5211.48, "end": 5217.8}, {"text": "present the request to City staff you mean um I have not put the request to", "start": 5219.679, "end": 5225.719}, {"text": "City staff I have met with u Marty KCK the city manager let her know that we um have put this request she did come to", "start": 5225.719, "end": 5231.84}, {"text": "toura as part of her onboarding I did let her know that this was something that we had asked before um we haven't", "start": 5231.84, "end": 5238.719}, {"text": "received it but and so most recent I met her last week to let her know that I would be coming here regarding this ask", "start": 5238.719, "end": 5245.8}, {"text": "okay thank you and my my second question is just to clarify the", "start": 5245.8, "end": 5251.28}, {"text": "350 that would be a forever annual amount tied to inflation or can you clarify or is it a one-time ask through", "start": 5251.28, "end": 5258.04}, {"text": "the chair so it is an annual ass tied to inflation because to sustain it um and", "start": 5258.04, "end": 5266.04}, {"text": "like any other program we if we start one year not able to sustain it I'd rather not provide it to be to be frank", "start": 5266.04, "end": 5271.679}, {"text": "so it is an annual ask and we would to inflation because of the cost associated with Staffing so thank you for asking", "start": 5271.679, "end": 5277.639}, {"text": "that you're welcome thank you so I imagine as a budget committee uh will be", "start": 5277.639, "end": 5283.56}, {"text": "looking forward to uh receiving those details at some point in our delegation so we can have a a good discussion thank", "start": 5283.56, "end": 5290.48}, {"text": "you thank you for your delegation and your participation today thank", "start": 5290.48, "end": 5296}, {"text": "you councelor Clark I'm", "start": 5303.119, "end": 5310.679}, {"text": "curious how is Staff going to deal with this", "start": 5310.679, "end": 5316.239}, {"text": "request um request should not be I I know whe they did it as a delegate I get", "start": 5316.239, "end": 5322.119}, {"text": "that that's completely legitimate but it's not really a grant request today it", "start": 5322.119, "end": 5328.84}, {"text": "there has to be some documentation so I'm trying to understand who would the why reach out to to provide the", "start": 5328.84, "end": 5336.4}, {"text": "documentation with their request councelor Clark is it okay if we save", "start": 5336.4, "end": 5341.88}, {"text": "that question because we may have other delegates with similar asks and we can come back and I'll recognize you at the", "start": 5341.88, "end": 5348.159}, {"text": "conclusion it's a really good question yep thank you very much I appreciate that you're welcome any further", "start": 5348.159, "end": 5354.32}, {"text": "questions or comments thank you councelor crutch is it okay to make comments at", "start": 5354.32, "end": 5360.04}, {"text": "the end of delegations if they're not specifically questions for delegates um would you rather wait till the very", "start": 5360.04, "end": 5366.44}, {"text": "end if is it I would prefer to wait if uh but if you're if you feel strongly", "start": 5366.44, "end": 5372.679}, {"text": "about it uh I'm here all afternoon yeah I didn't have a question", "start": 5372.679, "end": 5378.239}, {"text": "for the delegate but just wanted to say that yeah I recognize this is award to institution and what we've done here in", "start": 5378.239, "end": 5383.56}, {"text": "the past has brought forward motions to offer annualized funding for certain groups not for others there still seems", "start": 5383.56, "end": 5389.92}, {"text": "to be some fuzziness here in terms of how it all works because we're having folks come here um there maybe may not be a process that they understand", "start": 5389.92, "end": 5396.28}, {"text": "completely on the other side of things so just looking forward for some just some clarity in that before the budget process gets concluded because we only", "start": 5396.28, "end": 5403.36}, {"text": "have so much money to go around it's obviously important that these folks uh have support for the services they're", "start": 5403.36, "end": 5409.239}, {"text": "looking to provide to people in the community and they're obviously providing a huge range of services to people who live downtown so it's a", "start": 5409.239, "end": 5415.36}, {"text": "conflict and it's a a difficult issue but just want to raise that and say that appreciate the delegation and hope we'll", "start": 5415.36, "end": 5420.88}, {"text": "get some clarity about that as the budget process moves along thank thank you along with the housing sustainability investment road map which", "start": 5420.88, "end": 5427}, {"text": "is to guide and provide a methodology for these deliberations thank you next", "start": 5427, "end": 5432.119}, {"text": "any further comments or questions seeing none uh the next delegate is virtual", "start": 5432.119, "end": 5437.6}, {"text": "steuart kazinga from Acorn Hamilton is Stuart kazinga with", "start": 5437.6, "end": 5444.239}, {"text": "us hello uh you got my name right I've been practicing all", "start": 5444.239, "end": 5449.8}, {"text": "year I appreciate it it it was perfect my grandmother couldn't done better herself so oh well Mark that on my", "start": 5449.8, "end": 5456.76}, {"text": "resume please okay whenever you're ready uh you have five minutes thank you thank you uh good morning mayor counselors and", "start": 5456.76, "end": 5464.04}, {"text": "staff my name is Stuart kazinga I'm a tenant in Ward five Vice chair of", "start": 5464.04, "end": 5470.639}, {"text": "environment Hamilton's board of directors and chair of acorn Hamilton's East End chapter whom I'm delegating on", "start": 5470.639, "end": 5477.239}, {"text": "behalf of today I appreciate uh the time for the delegation two years ago this", "start": 5477.239, "end": 5482.92}, {"text": "past September Acorn Hamilton launched our extreme heat campaign right outside", "start": 5482.92, "end": 5488}, {"text": "uh your doors our campaign has since caught the attention of community groups across the country uh several of which", "start": 5488, "end": 5494.639}, {"text": "have adopted it as a template for their own campaigns uh eight months later the public health committee voted and this", "start": 5494.639, "end": 5501.88}, {"text": "Council ratified unanimously to direct staff to implement a maximum temperature", "start": 5501.88, "end": 5507.28}, {"text": "bylaw to protect tenants from the heat garnering national attention as the", "start": 5507.28, "end": 5512.44}, {"text": "first municipality in country to do so uh then this past September we saw a", "start": 5512.44, "end": 5518.159}, {"text": "staff report and recommendation that fell far short of our expected Target uh", "start": 5518.159, "end": 5523.76}, {"text": "while we acknowledge that this recommendation never made it to council and continues to be worked on uh we want", "start": 5523.76, "end": 5530.32}, {"text": "to address some of the arguments or premises that were being presented um it", "start": 5530.32, "end": 5535.76}, {"text": "can't be done it's too complicated it'll be bad for the environment the province", "start": 5535.76, "end": 5540.88}, {"text": "is already taking care of the issue it's not worth our resources to focus on this", "start": 5540.88, "end": 5546.56}, {"text": "um so first off it can be done Hamilton along with practically every other", "start": 5546.56, "end": 5551.719}, {"text": "municipality in the country has the proof of this in their existing temperature bylaws requiring adequate", "start": 5551.719, "end": 5558.04}, {"text": "heat through the winter uh if you were to copy Hamilton's existing adequate heat bylaw and change the term heating", "start": 5558.04, "end": 5564.88}, {"text": "Appliance to cooling Appliance along with a couple of other obvious changes like the prescribed temperature and the", "start": 5564.88, "end": 5571.8}, {"text": "enforced date range uh you would have a bylaw that meets the demands of all of those who have delegated over the past", "start": 5571.8, "end": 5578.08}, {"text": "couple years and we believe the spirit of the motion that Council unanimously ratified back in May of", "start": 5578.08, "end": 5584.76}, {"text": "2022 uh laws requiring landlords to provide heat in the winter didn't always exist uh but today they are ubiquitous", "start": 5584.76, "end": 5592.08}, {"text": "and an expected standard uh they are so because we acknowledged the fact that some people would weigh the value of", "start": 5592.08, "end": 5598.76}, {"text": "their pocketbooks heavier than the Comfort safety or even lives of some of their fellow human beings uh it takes no", "start": 5598.76, "end": 5605.88}, {"text": "imagination to think that there were some elected officials or staff who boked these ideas when they were first", "start": 5605.88, "end": 5613.719}, {"text": "proposed if we could hear their arguments today I wonder what we might think of them would we see any Merit at", "start": 5613.719, "end": 5620.48}, {"text": "all in them um so another issue uh there is proposed leg legis legislation that", "start": 5620.48, "end": 5627.36}, {"text": "touches on tenants use of air conditioners uh this legislation has yet to be passed and it hardly goes far", "start": 5627.36, "end": 5634.32}, {"text": "enough uh the proposed bill would only ensure a tenants right to use their own air conditioner uh tenants do not have", "start": 5634.32, "end": 5640.92}, {"text": "the same options as landlords when it comes to selection of cooling appliances uh the most efficient convenient uh and", "start": 5640.92, "end": 5648.56}, {"text": "long-term cost effective options are not available to tenants if we are concerned about environmental environmental", "start": 5648.56, "end": 5654.8}, {"text": "impacts or a tenant's ability to afford the cost to run a cooling Appliance or", "start": 5654.8, "end": 5659.96}, {"text": "ensuring the highest quality of life for tenants uh then we must compel landlords to install permanent cooling appliances", "start": 5659.96, "end": 5667}, {"text": "and incentivize the most energy efficient and long-term costeffective options available robust protections from the", "start": 5667, "end": 5674.8}, {"text": "heat for tenants will become as ubiquitous as our existing protections from the cold uh we believe it is only a", "start": 5674.8, "end": 5681.48}, {"text": "matter of time Hamilton can either lead on this issue as as it has done from the start and follow through on the", "start": 5681.48, "end": 5688.28}, {"text": "commitment that this Council made back in May of 2022 or we can handwave it away saying", "start": 5688.28, "end": 5694.119}, {"text": "that it's too hard do the bare minimum and eventually follow the lead of others but only after we've continued to suffer", "start": 5694.119, "end": 5701.04}, {"text": "the consequences uh so uh as far as uh this budget day uh Acorn Hamilton has the", "start": 5701.04, "end": 5708.08}, {"text": "following requests for Council there's four one prioritize moving the max heat", "start": 5708.08, "end": 5713.159}, {"text": "bylaw forward as the 2025 budget is discussed two expand and extend the air", "start": 5713.159, "end": 5719.48}, {"text": "conditioner pilot project until the max heat bylaw is implemented and in full effect three offer free Transit on heat", "start": 5719.48, "end": 5727.679}, {"text": "alert days and four support budget needs for the renovate sorry renovation", "start": 5727.679, "end": 5734.6}, {"text": "license and relocation by law the rental housing protection bylaw and the Tenant", "start": 5734.6, "end": 5740.159}, {"text": "support program so thank you very much for your time thank you for your participation in", "start": 5740.159, "end": 5747.8}, {"text": "this public process any further questions any questions of the delegate seeing none thank you again", "start": 5747.8, "end": 5755.638}, {"text": "game our next delegate is also virtual Jackin", "start": 5758.04, "end": 5763.84}, {"text": "Wilson thank you very much hello you have five minutes you'll hear a ding at", "start": 5765.48, "end": 5771.48}, {"text": "the fourth minute Mark just to advise you of uh you're into your last minute thank you perfect thank you my name is", "start": 5771.48, "end": 5779.04}, {"text": "jacqulyn Wilson and I'm a lawyer at the Canadian environmental law Association", "start": 5779.04, "end": 5784.08}, {"text": "we're a provincewide legal aid clinic and we focus on issues that affect environmental justice and environmental", "start": 5784.08, "end": 5790.32}, {"text": "health we've been working with the local legal aid clinic environmental groups tenants rights groups disability rights", "start": 5790.32, "end": 5796.92}, {"text": "groups and advocacy groups working on behalf of seniors to urge the city of Hamilton to adopt a maximum temperature", "start": 5796.92, "end": 5802.84}, {"text": "bylaw that would apply to all rental units and set a maximum temperature of 26 degrees indoors and to fund policies", "start": 5802.84, "end": 5811.119}, {"text": "and programs in now budget 2025 to support the implementation of the", "start": 5811.119, "end": 5817.52}, {"text": "policy I want to reiterate that this is an Urgent health and safety issue climate change is here and it's getting", "start": 5817.52, "end": 5823.8}, {"text": "worse and the impacts of climate change are also very unfair in our community is", "start": 5823.8, "end": 5828.92}, {"text": "Extreme is particularly worrisome because it's so dangerous it's been identified as the deadliest weather", "start": 5828.92, "end": 5835.199}, {"text": "related event and it's especially dangerous for seniors for children and infants for individuals with chronic", "start": 5835.199, "end": 5842.36}, {"text": "illnesses with people with Mobility challenges people that are socially isolated or live in what are sometimes", "start": 5842.36, "end": 5848.679}, {"text": "called materially deprived or low-income neighborhoods and it's tenants that bear the brunt of this in terms of extreme", "start": 5848.679, "end": 5854.6}, {"text": "heat indoors because they're often unable to control the temperatures within their own", "start": 5854.6, "end": 5859.679}, {"text": "units the health risk really escalates when it's looking like prolonged", "start": 5859.679, "end": 5865.84}, {"text": "exposure to high indoor temperatures the BC coroners report after an awful 2021", "start": 5865.84, "end": 5872.28}, {"text": "heat event when 619 people died found that people were most in danger when the", "start": 5872.28, "end": 5878.8}, {"text": "indoor temperature was above 26 degrees throughout the event so we need to move", "start": 5878.8, "end": 5884.56}, {"text": "forward with uh a mandatory uh limit but also with policies the tackle that", "start": 5884.56, "end": 5889.92}, {"text": "problem headon is the indoor temperatures um and prolonged exposure indoors in people's homes that's the", "start": 5889.92, "end": 5895.84}, {"text": "biggest risk my colleague um from Hamilton Acorn discussed some of this but in the", "start": 5895.84, "end": 5902.32}, {"text": "timeline of where we're at in Hamilton Hamilton declared a climate emergency about 5 years ago in", "start": 5902.32, "end": 5909.199}, {"text": "2019 and Hamilton's climate change impact adaptation plan in", "start": 5909.199, "end": 5915.159}, {"text": "2022 identified in action 3.3 that it was looking to coordinate", "start": 5915.159, "end": 5920.88}, {"text": "local efforts to address excessive indoor temperatures and Rental", "start": 5920.88, "end": 5926.48}, {"text": "housing the motion that my colleague referred to Boh", "start": 5926.48, "end": 5931.52}, {"text": "23019 was passed in 201 23 by the public health committee and ratified by the", "start": 5931.52, "end": 5936.639}, {"text": "council um and it directed the licensing and bylaw services division to prepare an information report identifying um at", "start": 5936.639, "end": 5944.08}, {"text": "the time 2024 policies and timelines for developing an adequate temperature bylaw", "start": 5944.08, "end": 5949.76}, {"text": "the people most impacted by extreme heat have now endured another two summers in Hamilton since the motion was passed the", "start": 5949.76, "end": 5956.639}, {"text": "summer of 2023 and the summer of 2024 without protections indoors in their", "start": 5956.639, "end": 5962}, {"text": "Apartments where it's most needed and so we want to ensure the funding is set", "start": 5962, "end": 5967.48}, {"text": "aside in this budget to make sure that these policies can move forward before this", "start": 5967.48, "end": 5972.8}, {"text": "summer our budget requests are looking then at um setting the standard of", "start": 5972.8, "end": 5979.159}, {"text": "course which doesn't cost money but to help Implement that that standard we", "start": 5979.159, "end": 5984.56}, {"text": "would be looking for um money for Property Standards inspectors to assist", "start": 5984.56, "end": 5990.239}, {"text": "with the the initial years and implementing the policy we also think it would be useful to look", "start": 5990.239, "end": 5995.76}, {"text": "at funding assistance for um for landlords upgrading their buildings so", "start": 5995.76, "end": 6001.08}, {"text": "although our request um and the standard that set is technology agnostic we would", "start": 6001.08, "end": 6006.239}, {"text": "urge the city to include in this budget um funding assistance for land guards to make upgrades that are environmentally", "start": 6006.239, "end": 6012.8}, {"text": "friendly so looking at heat pump technology instead of traditional air conditioners looking at Energy Efficiency upgrades uh better", "start": 6012.8, "end": 6019.52}, {"text": "installation weather stripping and those those funding requirements could 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questions seeing none thank you again", "start": 6064.76, "end": 6071.04}, {"text": "for your participation we have um Stacy Easton an", "start": 6071.04, "end": 6077.599}, {"text": "in-person delegation next", "start": 6077.599, "end": 6081.96}, {"text": "the delegate is just making their way to the", "start": 6092.199, "end": 6096.679}, {"text": "podium good afternoon hey thanks for being good with the pronouns um I guess", "start": 6099.32, "end": 6105.32}, {"text": "I have a small reputation um so I'm just going", "start": 6105.32, "end": 6111.119}, {"text": "to just think of sort of slightly outside of the box and larer", "start": 6111.119, "end": 6117.119}, {"text": "questions about this as opposed to a direct policy because I've been in Hamilton for 9 years now and this has", "start": 6117.119, "end": 6124.8}, {"text": "been the hardest year I've been in Hamilton and I don't know what's", "start": 6124.8, "end": 6130.04}, {"text": "next so I'm a a disabled I am disabled but I", 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through a kind of poverty industry um and I thinking about that a", "start": 6178.36, "end": 6185.28}, {"text": "lot and I think about the buildings that collapsed the Heritage buildings that", "start": 6185.28, "end": 6191.8}, {"text": "collapsed this week and how that becomes a very explicit metaphor for the", "start": 6191.8, "end": 6200}, {"text": "collapsing social services and I think about the sort of far right who has come", "start": 6200, "end": 6205.239}, {"text": "into this town and actual Nazis who are showing up and how that is also a metaphor that who are", "start": 6205.239, "end": 6212.719}, {"text": "we allowing in this space not in this space in this town in this city um and I", "start": 6212.719, "end": 6219.639}, {"text": "think that there's this expectation consistently that we have sort of personal narratives instead of data that", "start": 6219.639, "end": 6225.719}, {"text": "we talk about feelings but I think that there's also a number of amount of data that would", "start": 6225.719, "end": 6231.52}, {"text": "suggest that we need to prioritize and think about what we're prioritizing um safe use sites for", "start": 6231.52, "end": 6238.92}, {"text": "example and I'm really glad the YMCA has a safe use site in there but I hear moral Panic about drug use and I don't", "start": 6238.92, "end": 6246.36}, {"text": "hear about how safe use sites do a good job at reducing that or a housing first", "start": 6246.36, "end": 6254.48}, {"text": "strategy for example when Matt Francis uses the phrase quote Hamilton is a", "start": 6254.48, "end": 6261.32}, {"text": "mecca for homelessness when that has been consistently disproven people", "start": 6261.32, "end": 6266.92}, {"text": "homeless people aren't coming here or B Lanes we hear words like war against the", "start": 6266.92, "end": 6275.04}, {"text": "car when the data is consistently arise", "start": 6275.04, "end": 6280.719}, {"text": "in pedestrian deaths so what language are we using who is allowed to speak and", "start": 6280.719, "end": 6285.76}, {"text": "how are they allowed to speak I think that's a question we have to ask consistently", "start": 6285.76, "end": 6293.88}, {"text": "and in the same capacity who keeps us safe and how are they keep us us safe", "start": 6293.96, "end": 6300.76}, {"text": "I'm I'm in these spaces with consistently we say yes to police funding all the time we think the police", "start": 6300.76, "end": 6308.159}, {"text": "make us safe and being queer in this space recognizing there's a history where the police do not make us safe why", "start": 6308.159, "end": 6315.28}, {"text": "are we keeping funding things that don't necessarily keep us safe and I think it's a lack of imagin", "start": 6315.28, "end": 6324.599}, {"text": "I think that we don't acknowledge the poor have autonomy that the poor have a", "start": 6324.599, "end": 6329.92}, {"text": "space that they allow to make choices for themselves and I think it's also a", 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that one is in danger and I think we have to have that consistent conversation again who is in danger who", "start": 6383.639, "end": 6391}, {"text": "is in power and how are we using that power I think there's a number of", "start": 6391, "end": 6396.04}, {"text": "conversations where money going in is obviously not working and so what", "start": 6396.04, "end": 6401.28}, {"text": "happens is what happens if we try something else what happens if we think consistently about the world that it", "start": 6401.28, "end": 6407.44}, {"text": "could be um and I don't know what happens if we do that but I think that we need to", "start": 6407.44, "end": 6413.96}, {"text": "have that conversation have those considerations um I know that I'm", "start": 6413.96, "end": 6419.04}, {"text": "supposed to do something direct and explicit it's just not who I am but when considering", "start": 6419.04, "end": 6425.119}, {"text": "budget who has the power and who doesn't and how we are pursuing power and who we", "start": 6425.119, "end": 6430.76}, {"text": "allowing to speak and not speak I think are questions that have to be consistently considered that's where I'm at thank you oh thank you e are there", "start": 6430.76, "end": 6439.32}, {"text": "any questions of delegate e seeing none thank you for your", "start": 6439.32, "end": 6446.52}, {"text": "participation delegate Jeff Devon of indwell inperson", "start": 6446.8, "end": 6452.76}, {"text": "Delegation good afternoon good afternoon um my name is", "start": 6462.239, "end": 6467.76}, {"text": "Jeff Nevan and I'm here to talk about the budget and dollars going into housing", "start": 6467.76, "end": 6473.639}, {"text": "um I'm the CEO of indwell and uh this year I was pleased", "start": 6473.639, "end": 6479.52}, {"text": "to read $158 million in the budget towards housing and", "start": 6479.52, "end": 6484.639}, {"text": "homelessness indwell provides Supportive Housing to over 550 people here in", "start": 6484.639, "end": 6491.32}, {"text": "Hamilton and hamiltonians are familiar with our work uh when we move people", "start": 6491.32, "end": 6496.36}, {"text": "into housing they stay housed uh we have a 94% housing stability rate and when", "start": 6496.36, "end": 6504}, {"text": "people move in they get to remove the label of homelessness and leave that at the threshold of their door and people", "start": 6504, "end": 6511.52}, {"text": "people visit emergency rooms 50% less when they move in and when they do it's", "start": 6511.52, "end": 6517.199}, {"text": "because it's a medical emergency uh our multi-disciplinary support teams wrap uh supports around", "start": 6517.199, "end": 6523.719}, {"text": "individuals and support people to meet their goals and hopes and", "start": 6523.719, "end": 6528.84}, {"text": "Ambitions and people make assumptions about where the city housing budget is going to and I get", "start": 6528.84, "end": 6536.44}, {"text": "asked regularly and even from some of you how much of this is going to indwell", "start": 6536.44, "end": 6541.92}, {"text": "and I think it's a reasonable question that I'd like to unpack here last year indwell received a total", "start": 6541.92, "end": 6550.199}, {"text": "of almost 1.4 million or put it another way that works out to about", "start": 6550.199, "end": 6555.48}, {"text": "$7 per person per day for the folks that we provide Supportive Housing", "start": 6555.48, "end": 6560.88}, {"text": "to $7 per DM by contrast many municipalities including Hamilton are", "start": 6560.88, "end": 6567}, {"text": "instead of uh permanent affordable Supportive Housing moving towards a temporary housing solution in tiny", "start": 6567, "end": 6574.159}, {"text": "cabins or sheds and that cost across most municipalities is somewhere between", "start": 6574.159, "end": 6579.32}, {"text": "$140 and $180 per person per day I continually hear from Community", "start": 6579.32, "end": 6586.32}, {"text": "leaders that Supportive Housing is too expensive and it takes too long to build", "start": 6586.32, "end": 6591.96}, {"text": "and therefore we can't consider it so let's dive in a little deeper into these numbers when we dig into the funding", "start": 6591.96, "end": 6598.96}, {"text": "going to indwell most of the funding is actually rent subsidies that flow through the city from higher levels of", "start": 6598.96, "end": 6605.4}, {"text": "government by my count indwell uh received approximately less than", "start": 6605.4, "end": 6610.88}, {"text": "$100,000 that's directly from the Hamilton uh Levy last year that works", "start": 6610.88, "end": 6618.36}, {"text": "out to um about 40 cents per person per", "start": 6618.36, "end": 6623.48}, {"text": "day for the to provide uh housing and support services at", "start": 6623.48, "end": 6629}, {"text": "indwell I am pleased that the C that City housing Hamilton the city of Hamilton and indwell have partnered", "start": 6629, "end": 6635.28}, {"text": "together to open 24 units of housing on King William and these supports are in", "start": 6635.28, "end": 6640.639}, {"text": "this upcoming budget so thank you and our commitment IND dwell's commitment to you is to work to have", "start": 6640.639, "end": 6647.44}, {"text": "these health support costs rightfully transferred to the provincial Ministry of Health for", "start": 6647.44, "end": 6653.639}, {"text": "funding this project is a good example of what's possible but unfortunately 24 units is", "start": 6653.639, "end": 6660.679}, {"text": "just not enough in additions to cost I'd like to inform you about what indwell and our", "start": 6660.679, "end": 6666.4}, {"text": "supporters are bringing to Hamilton by means of direct donations and", "start": 6666.4, "end": 6671.56}, {"text": "Investments Over The Last 5 Years our supporters have donated 8.1 million in", "start": 6671.56, "end": 6677.8}, {"text": "cash donations and another 3 million in gift and kind donations", "start": 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provincial and federal funding that we have been able to attract to Hamilton so I think it's fair to say", "start": 6730.76, "end": 6737.199}, {"text": "it's very cost effective for Hamilton taxpayers in regard regard to it takes", "start": 6737.199, "end": 6743.079}, {"text": "too long we have three projects 105 units that can be opened within 18 to 24", "start": 6743.079, "end": 6748.199}, {"text": "months and three more projects with an additional 250 or more units that are", "start": 6748.199, "end": 6753.36}, {"text": "right behind these in the pipeline the best time to start building", "start": 6753.36, "end": 6758.719}, {"text": "is today unfortunately there are only 15 units of", "start": 6758.719, "end": 6764.92}, {"text": "Supportive Housing by our entire sector under construction right now in the city", "start": 6764.92, "end": 6771.079}, {"text": "and it is time for the budget to reflect the critical need and the shortage of", "start": 6771.079, "end": 6776.4}, {"text": "supportive permanent housing as basic infrastructure our sector is ready to go", "start": 6776.4, "end": 6783.199}, {"text": "and our sector knows how to leverage in p uh private investment and", "start": 6783.199, "end": 6788.8}, {"text": "investment from senior levels of government thank", "start": 6788.8, "end": 6793.36}, {"text": "you thank you delegate nean are there any questions recognize councelor Clerk", "start": 6794.56, "end": 6803.04}, {"text": "thank you chair forgive me when I'm a little bit confused so I heard a million dollar", "start": 6803.04, "end": 6810.599}, {"text": "earlier in the presentation where is that million dollars coming from it's 1.4 million", "start": 6810.599, "end": 6817.4}, {"text": "that comes through the city to us uh but most of that is provincial programs", "start": 6817.4, "end": 6823.159}, {"text": "Housing Programs uh so it's not coming from the uh property tax", "start": 6823.159, "end": 6828.199}, {"text": "base they cost sharing programs so in my account and I'd be exactly what I've", "start": 6828.199, "end": 6833.719}, {"text": "been asking for was cost sharing between the province the city and the FEDS so", "start": 6833.719, "end": 6838.84}, {"text": "that's where the 1.6 is coming from through the through the chair 1.4 million and by my account a 100,000 of", "start": 6838.84, "end": 6847.239}, {"text": "that is from the local tax base and the rest is from senior levels of government that's coming to", "start": 6847.239, "end": 6854.52}, {"text": "indwell so I I guess the question I have would", "start": 6854.52, "end": 6860.599}, {"text": "be the responsibility for Supportive Housing", "start": 6860.599, "end": 6868.159}, {"text": "has and continues to be the province and the feds and we're a smaller player if you", "start": 6868.159, "end": 6875.719}, {"text": "look at what the province is providing this municipality 28.6 million versus over", "start": 6875.719, "end": 6882.199}, {"text": "$100 million we're spending on housing and homelessness so our stats are a little", "start": 6882.199, "end": 6889.119}, {"text": "bit different than what you're providing", "start": 6889.119, "end": 6893.159}, {"text": "thank you are there any further I'm not sure", "start": 6894.36, "end": 6899.44}, {"text": "if that was a question yeah would you like to respond in let's just hypothesize that it was a question", "start": 6899.44, "end": 6905.599}, {"text": "through the chair um and and if my numbers are incorrect I'd happily receive um a correction from staff um uh", "start": 6905.599, "end": 6914.679}, {"text": "I think another way to look at it is um The Province and feds are really in a", "start": 6914.679, "end": 6919.96}, {"text": "race to be last to the table and if the municipality gets first to the table it's inoss and it's uh I think indwell", "start": 6919.96, "end": 6928.679}, {"text": "is an example of what's possible how to leverage Municipal funds to bring in private uh provincial and federal", "start": 6928.679, "end": 6935.079}, {"text": "funding into Hamilton to solve the encampment and homelessness issue thank you delegate", "start": 6935.079, "end": 6942.8}, {"text": "Nevan Council clerk did you have a further question I think we're getting to the same", "start": 6942.8, "end": 6948.8}, {"text": "place um so what you're", "start": 6948.8, "end": 6954.239}, {"text": "asking is that the city be the first to the table in order", "start": 6955.119, "end": 6961.199}, {"text": "to leverage a third a third a third in order to leverage money from the", "start": 6961.199, "end": 6966.88}, {"text": "province and from the feds the municipality has to indicate a willingness to be at the", "start": 6966.88, "end": 6972.679}, {"text": "table with dollars delegate nean did you wish to reply", "start": 6972.679, "end": 6978.88}, {"text": "um just for clarity yes there's less than $100,000 from Hamilton property", "start": 6978.88, "end": 6984.679}, {"text": "taxpayers in indwells budget uh of about 15 million here locally in Hamilton so", "start": 6984.679, "end": 6990.36}, {"text": "it's not anywhere near a third a third a third um it's uh it's a very small yeah I don't I don't dispute that but we have", "start": 6990.36, "end": 6997.92}, {"text": "been pushing for that consistently as a municipality and we have been", "start": 6997.92, "end": 7005.639}, {"text": "spending excessively on H housing and", "start": 7005.639, "end": 7010.92}, {"text": "homelessness without without the province and the FEDS being at the table and that's why we see this weird", "start": 7010.92, "end": 7017.4}, {"text": "dichotomy where you know on homelessness they're giving us $28.6 million and", "start": 7017.4, "end": 7023.52}, {"text": "they're celebrating and as it is an all-time record that they're providing", "start": 7023.52, "end": 7028.679}, {"text": "this funding for homelessness this is the Province Town and yet the municipality on housing and homelessness", 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perhaps we can hold our", "start": 7080.04, "end": 7087.28}, {"text": "questions about uh the formula that is driving and guiding us uh and the role", "start": 7087.28, "end": 7093.719}, {"text": "of local the role of provincial the role of federal on a macro or even a specific", "start": 7093.719, "end": 7099.639}, {"text": "basis that's appropriate ruling I forgive me for my passion but we have", "start": 7099.639, "end": 7105.44}, {"text": "been fighting I fighting is the wrong word advocating for so long to The Province on a you know a third a third a", "start": 7105.44, "end": 7113.239}, {"text": "third on housing on support of on everything and and we're barely getting", "start": 7113.239, "end": 7118.48}, {"text": "there and so my apologies to if I may through the chair respond of", "start": 7118.48, "end": 7124.28}, {"text": "course Mr I would agree with you and uh and my", "start": 7124.28, "end": 7130.28}, {"text": "point of delegating today is to let you know that Supportive 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Partnership going so that we can get more units online so I", "start": 7179.92, "end": 7185.32}, {"text": "think we share to share that point Thank you thank you again for your presentation and for your clarification", "start": 7185.32, "end": 7190.88}, {"text": "thank you chair again my apologies for veing into debate thank you we have councelor Pauls", "start": 7190.88, "end": 7197.88}, {"text": "followed by councelor cret Jackson and Mick mein councelor Pauls is behind you", "start": 7197.88, "end": 7203.8}, {"text": "thank you and thank you uh the chair thank you Jeff uh I also been to your", "start": 7203.8, "end": 7210}, {"text": "community and the indwell and it's amazing um but I was taken a back of how", "start": 7210, "end": 7216.679}, {"text": "much money you actually raise from your community you said 11.1", "start": 7216.679, "end": 7222.56}, {"text": "donation which is amazing uh these people really believe in what you're doing my question is the three projects", "start": 7222.56, "end": 7230.679}, {"text": "and then you said another 250 unit where are they now are they almost finished", "start": 7230.679, "end": 7237.079}, {"text": "and which one is uh just starting can you just explain those three projects for", "start": 7237.079, "end": 7242.76}, {"text": "me yes um through you the through the chair", "start": 7242.76, "end": 7247.92}, {"text": "um uh we have uh three projects that are uh ready for construction um one the", "start": 7247.92, "end": 7255.04}, {"text": "building permit's ready others are right behind that um two are in ward two one", "start": 7255.04, "end": 7260.52}, {"text": "is in Ward uh sorry uh two are in Ward three and one is in Ward four um these", "start": 7260.52, "end": 7267.599}, {"text": "projects are are are held up uh in this um confusing spot of of getting the", "start": 7267.599, "end": 7273.92}, {"text": "capital stack ready to go and uh and then further by being able to apply for", "start": 7273.92, "end": 7279.76}, {"text": "Ministry of Health funding and that's one of the challenges that we have you can't apply for Ministry of Health funding uh unless it's within the year", "start": 7279.76, "end": 7287.159}, {"text": "or the coming up year and when you're talking a year and a half to get the building built it's one of the challenges so you essentially have to", "start": 7287.159, "end": 7293.44}, {"text": "build them on spec and then go after the province after that and um these three", "start": 7293.44, "end": 7299}, {"text": "projects are held up with um uh just missing um uh a funding commitment to", "start": 7299, "end": 7306.599}, {"text": "close the gap um and and that can happen um uh where working really hard to make", "start": 7306.599, "end": 7312.84}, {"text": "that happen uh it can happen through philanthropy it can happen through a municipal commitment to cover the Gap", "start": 7312.84, "end": 7318.76}, {"text": "should the province not come through it could be covered by The Province or the federal government um but it's um again", "start": 7318.76, "end": 7324.48}, {"text": "I use the phrase the race to be lost to the table is really The Challenge on those three the other three uh if we had", "start": 7324.48, "end": 7330.599}, {"text": "a commitment uh of of of funding uh we could we could we could really invest", "start": 7330.599, "end": 7336.44}, {"text": "the dollars into moving those those projects forward um You probably have heard where the where those uh those", "start": 7336.44, "end": 7343.36}, {"text": "those uh some of those are Trinity Lutheran uh church is in in W four uh", "start": 7343.36, "end": 7348.56}, {"text": "and centy Manor is um I think it's in uh uh in w 8 um that uh We've recently", "start": 7348.56, "end": 7356.4}, {"text": "purchased the property from from The Province um so so the the challenge", "start": 7356.4, "end": 7362.44}, {"text": "really with with Supportive Housing is um to um to be able to get those projects go forward and uh to close the", "start": 7362.44, "end": 7369.719}, {"text": "gap or to have some some uh uh somebody provide the certainty so that our board", "start": 7369.719, "end": 7375.599}, {"text": "can can go forward on on each of those projects our board and our supporting Community is is spending uh $2 to3", "start": 7375.599, "end": 7382.76}, {"text": "million to get them to the construction ready where we can apply for federal funding uh and then once they're about", "start": 7382.76, "end": 7389.92}, {"text": "to open we can apply for Ministry of Health funding and that that order is really the", "start": 7389.92, "end": 7395}, {"text": "challenge I appreciate that uh Jeff and and I know where you're coming from uh I", "start": 7395, "end": 7401.04}, {"text": "think uh the supporting housing that's indwell is next to none you do it all over Ontario I know you have some in uh", "start": 7401.04, "end": 7408.88}, {"text": "London St Thomas somewhere uh else as well and uh yeah this is something we", "start": 7408.88, "end": 7414.76}, {"text": "need to do and move forward so um uh it's so important to do that so I thank", "start": 7414.76, "end": 7420.52}, {"text": "you for coming and sharing thank you councilor crutch", "start": 7420.52, "end": 7426.88}, {"text": "please thanks very much for your presentation you talked a a little bit about sort of timelines and costs and so", "start": 7427.32, "end": 7435.679}, {"text": "I wanted to dig into that a little bit you're part of a coalition called", "start": 7435.679, "end": 7442.239}, {"text": "Hamilton is home and so I'm sure you know that the city tries its best to spread money out to all the different", "start": 7442.239, "end": 7447.36}, {"text": "housing providers um you have a bit of line of sight to that is the city doing", "start": 7447.36, "end": 7452.84}, {"text": "an equitable job of that or are you saying that indwells are not receiving as much commenor to other people or", "start": 7452.84, 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need more support um there are smaller organizations that don't have the", "start": 7508.96, "end": 7516.04}, {"text": "mechanisms for cash flow and so they need you know support from year $1 um", "start": 7516.04, "end": 7522.4}, {"text": "I don't need I don't need the cash in year one we have in this community uh in", "start": 7522.4, "end": 7527.96}, {"text": "in it took us 10 weeks to raise 6 million in uh a social impact Bond uh to", "start": 7527.96, "end": 7534.079}, {"text": "help us uh with the cash flow of of of construction um so that's where we need", "start": 7534.079, "end": 7540.559}, {"text": "to not necessarily deal with us as equal as you would with let's say wonderful", "start": 7540.559, "end": 7545.679}, {"text": "organization like Saka joa um they need a funding commitment in year one uh if I", "start": 7545.679, "end": 7552.119}, {"text": "have a funding commitment for year two or for year three as long as it's a commitment our supporters will use our", "start": 7552.119, "end": 7558.4}, {"text": "own investment to get us across the finish line and so um I I would actually", "start": 7558.4, "end": 7563.44}, {"text": "say don't deal with us equally um deal with um deal with some of the organizations that need different types", "start": 7563.44, "end": 7570.28}, {"text": "of support and maybe maybe then and um and in in that way we can all uh all", "start": 7570.28, "end": 7577.679}, {"text": "succeed no thanks my question was about Equity so you answered it not about equality so thank you uh a couple", "start": 7577.679, "end": 7582.88}, {"text": "questions about costs I remember maybe almost 10 years ago now the cost to", "start": 7582.88, "end": 7588.719}, {"text": "build one unit of deeply affordable housing was around $150,000 to $200,000 in that window and", "start": 7588.719, "end": 7595.28}, {"text": "now we're looking at something closer to $600,000 but since we have you here could you talk about what it costs right now to build one 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bedrooms so if you're talking two or threes that would go up from there thanks and how", "start": 7687.559, "end": 7693.679}, {"text": "much does it cost to sustain the unit your over year on average because of course when you're providing Supportive Housing there's costs associated with", "start": 7693.679, "end": 7700.04}, {"text": "providing those supports I'm have those numbers right here so just bear with me for one second um uh", "start": 7700.04, "end": 7708.28}, {"text": "the total costs and I'm talking about the housing costs and the multi-disciplinary team so that's nurses", "start": 7708.28, "end": 7714.719}, {"text": "addictions workers housing support food security all those so um on our what we", "start": 7714.719, "end": 7721.84}, {"text": "call our standard support so that's people that are largely able to live independently and that's what we see people are coming into our enhanced", "start": 7721.84, "end": 7728.28}, {"text": "support programs typically out of homelessness and they're stabilizing in and they're thriving and they're moving towards what we call Standard support so", "start": 7728.28, "end": 7736.04}, {"text": "um uh so just some numbers on on on it's about $95 per person per day in our", "start": 7736.04, "end": 7742.719}, {"text": "highest Support Program here um for our highest Acuity across the organization", "start": 7742.719, "end": 7748.36}, {"text": "it's $175 per person per day um and at the standard level is is is 2750 per", "start": 7748.36, "end": 7756.52}, {"text": "person per day and um so when you average that out because people start to", "start": 7756.52, "end": 7762.36}, {"text": "thrive and to flourish and they move towards more um Independence and so", "start": 7762.36, "end": 7769.28}, {"text": "um uh across the board on average it's about $90 per person per day to provide", "start": 7769.28, "end": 7775.28}, {"text": "the the affordable housing and the um uh", "start": 7775.28, "end": 7780.639}, {"text": "and the supports and when I give that number that's that's the part that we need from from um that would assume that", "start": 7780.639, "end": 7787.92}, {"text": "tenants are paying about $550 uh in rent on top of", "start": 7787.92, "end": 7794.119}, {"text": "that sorry I'm just writing some of these fingures down pardon me doing some quick math so it's around $33,000 a year", "start": 7794.119, "end": 7801.119}, {"text": "the costs at that kind of mid- level $90 a day over the course of a year thank", "start": 7801.119, "end": 7806.639}, {"text": "you my last question for you is about the processes you go through you talked about matching councelor Clark talked a", "start": 7806.639, "end": 7813}, {"text": "little bit about this but usually or sometimes I should say as a more fair word sometimes the", "start": 7813, "end": 7819.88}, {"text": "municipality needs to to help you unlock funding from the provincial and federal governments by just simply being there", "start": 7819.88, 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we're going to work together", "start": 7899.079, "end": 7905.079}, {"text": "arm in arm to go after the province to help fund that uh with the intention that the municipality would pay almost", "start": 7905.079, "end": 7911.44}, {"text": "none of that but it's it's the guarantee that is the really I I really appreciate", "start": 7911.44, "end": 7916.559}, {"text": "you pointing at that because it's the guarantee that we need to be able to convince our board that the risk of", "start": 7916.559, "end": 7921.8}, {"text": "building on spec and that the various levels of government will come on at their their their appropriate time is is", "start": 7921.8, "end": 7927.84}, {"text": "is worth the risk taking last question for me I just wanted to ask you about a", "start": 7927.84, "end": 7933.04}, {"text": "comment you made that I think we hear about quite a bit but we don't necessarily have the time to unpack and while you're here you might as well do", "start": 7933.04, "end": 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increase in costs not us from taking that money and investing it somewhere new because we're still paying for the", "start": 7968.119, "end": 7974.04}, {"text": "project that we funded 2 years ago right we're stuck in that cycle sometimes of paying for projects that we funded or", "start": 7974.04, "end": 7979.639}, {"text": "assisting in projects that we're trying to fund because the cost overages are high so I guess I'm trying to understand from your perspective how do the how do", "start": 7979.639, "end": 7986.199}, {"text": "we get these such high cost overages that become significant enough that we have to invest funding in", "start": 7986.199, "end": 7991.559}, {"text": "them through the chair um Indo has about 30 buildings and uh um", "start": 7991.559, "end": 8000.8}, {"text": "we have a lot of experience with that uh and it really comes down to your ability", "start": 8000.8, "end": 8006.32}, {"text": "to uh obviously we can only predict so much about the future uh right now uh we", "start": 8006.32, "end": 8012.199}, {"text": "were predicting you know a relatively flat line in terms of what we're budgeting for a building to be open in", "start": 8012.199, "end": 8018.76}, {"text": "18 months compared to the cost today uh in the past we would be budgeting about", "start": 8018.76, "end": 8024.159}, {"text": "an increase of about 1% a month on construction costs uh over the last 10", "start": 8024.159, "end": 8030.199}, {"text": "years but that's change so good budgeting and then uh very good project", "start": 8030.199, "end": 8036}, {"text": "management so we do our own project management we have a lot of experience in that and like I said our recent experience has been coming in under", "start": 8036, "end": 8042.84}, {"text": "budget um just use the example in Miss Saga is one of our last projects and we came a", "start": 8042.84, "end": 8048.52}, {"text": "million dollars under budget so that's not our experience okay thanks very much for the", "start": 8048.52, "end": 8053.96}, {"text": "answers to my questions and thanks for delegation today thank you we have councelor Jackson followed by councelor MCM", "start": 8053.96, "end": 8061.159}, {"text": "councelor Jackson thanks budget chair Wilson and um CEO Nevan I listen to you", "start": 8061.159, "end": 8067.04}, {"text": "carefully and all I hear a person of immense Pride of the work that nwell is", "start": 8067.04, "end": 8072.559}, {"text": "doing in our community and so a full Applause uh from uh this Ward office", "start": 8072.559, "end": 8078.28}, {"text": "sincerely uh to you and your team can I just get uh couple of things clarified", "start": 8078.28, "end": 8084.599}, {"text": "please number one then are you basically asking the municipality to to at least", "start": 8084.599, "end": 8091.719}, {"text": "sustain what we're providing at this time because of the leveraging you've", "start": 8091.719, "end": 8098.719}, {"text": "spoken about with private donors and Senior levels of government or are you", "start": 8098.719, "end": 8104.119}, {"text": "intimating very respectfully to up our game through you budget chair Wilson just to get that clarified", "start": 8104.119, "end": 8110.639}, {"text": "please through the chair uh thanks for the question uh request for clarification so one is to say thanks", "start": 8110.639, "end": 8117}, {"text": "first of all um we appreciate every dollar that we receive um and to say", "start": 8117, "end": 8122.4}, {"text": "thanks for uh the partnership on King William I think it's a good partnership so uh we're hopeful that that continues", "start": 8122.4, "end": 8129.88}, {"text": "um and to let you know our commitment is to actually reduce that number uh together by uh transferring some of", "start": 8129.88, "end": 8136.679}, {"text": "those those operating funds to the province and our commitment to work together with the city to make that", "start": 8136.679, "end": 8142.48}, {"text": "happen and the third piece would be to say um the only way we're going to get", "start": 8142.48, "end": 8148.8}, {"text": "out of the encamp M and homelessness situation is if we create Supportive", "start": 8148.8, "end": 8155.04}, {"text": "Housing there is all the research shows that um people are homeless because", "start": 8155.04, "end": 8161.28}, {"text": "we're in a housing crisis and as a resource gets more scarce those with the more most", "start": 8161.28, "end": 8166.84}, {"text": "vulnerabilities perhaps it's uh least income most disabilities least amount of networks connections those folks are the", "start": 8166.84, "end": 8174.52}, {"text": "ones who don't have the ability to compete and are ending up in tents and so we can prevent homelessness with", "start": 8174.52, "end": 8181.679}, {"text": "housing those who are living with permanent disabilities um we can we can", "start": 8181.679, "end": 8187.52}, {"text": "prevent encampments and uh we have a track record of moving people directly out of encampments into permanent", "start": 8187.52, "end": 8194.04}, {"text": "Supportive Housing that works I'll take that in my own words as a subtle Tom if you could kindly up your", "start": 8194.04, "end": 8201.12}, {"text": "game that would also help further okay secondly and this is um because I have", "start": 8201.12, "end": 8206.719}, {"text": "listened carefully to um budget chair Wilson to a variety of housing experts", "start": 8206.719, "end": 8212.28}, {"text": "that have come in especially during this new term of this new Council and they've talked about the housing", "start": 8212.281, "end": 8219.12}, {"text": "Continuum from one end to the other now please correct me if I'm wrong CEO Nan", "start": 8219.12, "end": 8225.16}, {"text": "and all apologize are you suggesting that ideally Tom supportive sustainable per", "start": 8225.16, "end": 8232.24}, {"text": "permanent housing is ultimately the way of society should go are you suggesting", "start": 8232.24, "end": 8238.16}, {"text": "then that it's may be possibly misguided that the municipality is putting x", "start": 8238.16, "end": 8243.719}, {"text": "amount of dollars towards 192 additional shelter beds in the inum", "start": 8243.719, "end": 8249.638}, {"text": "Andor 40 cabins at a sanctioned site and again I'm saying all disrespectfully", "start": 8249.639, "end": 8255.28}, {"text": "this is not like a a trap question at all CEO Nevan I'm trying to understand your ultimate ideal what nwell does but", "start": 8255.281, "end": 8263.439}, {"text": "am I detecting that you're suggesting that ideally Tom those 192 shelter beds", "start": 8263.44, "end": 8270.478}, {"text": "temp temporary inim the 40 cabins at Tiffany Barton temporary int give us the", "start": 8270.479, "end": 8275.92}, {"text": "additional money and we could do more and that's my last question budget chair Wilson and I hope that was asked", "start": 8275.92, "end": 8282.04}, {"text": "respectfully through through through the chair um Let me let me unpack that in a couple of different ways I live in W", "start": 8282.04, "end": 8288.88}, {"text": "3 by my count there's about 150 my neighbors that sleep outside every", "start": 8288.88, "end": 8295.2}, {"text": "night those folks need help right now and Sheltering people in whatever way we", "start": 8295.2, "end": 8300.399}, {"text": "can is the right thing to do okay but if we don't look at a permanent", "start": 8300.4, "end": 8307}, {"text": "solution we're going to have to continue to grow our shelter system and grow how", "start": 8307, "end": 8312.08}, {"text": "many tiny cabins we have and so if that is a solution for right now absolutely", "start": 8312.08, "end": 8317.76}, {"text": "we should be in investing in current uh approach to we have a crisis and we need", "start": 8317.76, "end": 8323.96}, {"text": "investment in that and we need to be looking down the road and 18 months to open Supportive Housing", "start": 8323.96, "end": 8331.12}, {"text": "uh is not that long when we compared to other infrastructure you asked a much broader", "start": 8331.12, "end": 8337.359}, {"text": "social policy question about where this should be and what's the right number I started my career at indwell uh", "start": 8337.36, "end": 8347.04}, {"text": "uh in as a volunteer actually when we were on on Lock Street way back in 2000", "start": 8347.04, "end": 8352.96}, {"text": "and um back then the housing allowance when someone was on Ontario Disability", "start": 8352.96, "end": 8358.8}, {"text": "Support Program provided people with an adequate ability to purchase housing at the low end of", "start": 8358.8, "end": 8365.16}, {"text": "market we've lost something we've heard experts talk about for every unit we've", "start": 8365.16, "end": 8370.399}, {"text": "created of affordable housing in Hamilton uh you'd probably have the number better than me but I think we've lost 28 units of of affordable housing", "start": 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8420.24, "end": 8425.6}, {"text": "with all of you around the the Horseshoe here um to find Solutions and we want to", "start": 8425.6, "end": 8431.359}, {"text": "make sure that we have current solutions for people living in tents tomorrow and we want to make sure that we stop the", "start": 8431.359, "end": 8438.92}, {"text": "number of people that are ending up in tents and get people out of tents permanently and that's through Supportive Housing thank you for the", "start": 8438.92, "end": 8445.72}, {"text": "sincerity and genuiness of your comprehensive response response CEO thank you budget chair", "start": 8445.72, "end": 8452.08}, {"text": "Wilson thank you councelor MCM please yes thanks chair I'll be brief um", "start": 8452.08, "end": 8458.359}, {"text": "Jeff I've known you for a long time uh subtlety has never been your", "start": 8458.359, "end": 8464.2}, {"text": "Forte um straight shooter um and uh I went back at you first I", "start": 8464.2, "end": 8470.64}, {"text": "want to say thank you for what you and uh your colleagues are doing and um", "start": 8470.64, "end": 8477.359}, {"text": "you've taught me a lot over the years thank you for that as well my my question is a simple one it may be", "start": 8477.359, "end": 8483.68}, {"text": "on the minds of uh some here um you know different groups have different", "start": 8483.68, "end": 8490}, {"text": "different ways of measuring success and uh defining uh who the broad base of", "start": 8490, "end": 8497.28}, {"text": "supporters are you you are exceptionally fortunate and you referenced some of", "start": 8497.28, "end": 8503.2}, {"text": "your foundational money and the uh uh the U the million dooll impact Bond recently", "start": 8503.2, "end": 8511.2}, {"text": "Etc um what what's the secret what's the secret to generating", "start": 8511.2, "end": 8517}, {"text": "11 plus millions of dollars from uh private Partners to do um really", "start": 8517, "end": 8523.84}, {"text": "important civil things what's the", "start": 8523.84, "end": 8528.56}, {"text": "secret delegate Nan do you want to share your SEC the chair um this isn't us this", "start": 8529.96, "end": 8535.56}, {"text": "isn't this isn't me this isn't indwell this is us I look around the circle and", "start": 8535.56, "end": 8541.16}, {"text": "many of you counselors personally donate uh and and councelor Jackson you", "start": 8541.16, "end": 8547}, {"text": "talked about you know our people no it's our people it's the city of Hamilton that says enough's enough we don't want", "start": 8547, "end": 8554.08}, {"text": "our neighbors living in tents we want people to have stable housing a door", "start": 8554.08, "end": 8560.319}, {"text": "they can lock a place to hang up their suit jacket so they can go to work and a place where you can have an address so", "start": 8560.319, "end": 8566.8}, {"text": "you can get to a doctor's appointment and uh deal with maybe the mental health or the addictions issues that you might", "start": 8566.8, "end": 8573.04}, {"text": "have or the other challenges in life we started here in Hamilton 50", "start": 8573.04, "end": 8579.2}, {"text": "years ago and the secret is it's the DNA of", "start": 8579.2, "end": 8584.6}, {"text": "Hamilton is in us we're gritty we're Grassroots we don't wait for somebody", "start": 8584.6, "end": 8589.76}, {"text": "else to come and bail us out we say what do we have it started with a family that had an empty bedroom and started taking", "start": 8589.76, "end": 8596.2}, {"text": "people in who were being discharged from Psychiatric Hospital I remember and we just start with that what do we have", "start": 8596.2, "end": 8602.319}, {"text": "what can we contribute how do we find Solutions and um and we hold that openly", "start": 8602.319, "end": 8608.359}, {"text": "and and so around the question of equity doesn't have to be indwell if it's the", "start": 8608.359, "end": 8613.439}, {"text": "YWCA if it's sacka joa fund them please we have amazing organizations in the", "start": 8613.439, "end": 8619.399}, {"text": "city and I think that's the piece for us too is we hold any information that we know we hold that open we work with", "start": 8619.399, "end": 8626.76}, {"text": "transparency uh and uh we work as a as a close part partner to find Solutions and", "start": 8626.76, "end": 8633.359}, {"text": "uh I think Hamilton trusts us and um I know that some of you those of you", "start": 8633.359, "end": 8638.52}, {"text": "donate personally you trust us otherwise you wouldn't do that and um and I think that's really the secret is that um", "start": 8638.52, "end": 8646.439}, {"text": "we're not we're not some unknown entity we are Hamilton we are Hamilton putting", "start": 8646.439, "end": 8652.56}, {"text": "our values where we believe they need to be so none of us is as smart or as wise", "start": 8652.56, "end": 8659.399}, {"text": "as all of us and it's uh it starts with declaring a crisis and working together from there is that what you're", "start": 8659.399, "end": 8667.319}, {"text": "saying through the chair um it's personal it's personal when our", "start": 8667.76, "end": 8674}, {"text": "neighbors are living in tents yeah right on and so of course we start there what", "start": 8674, "end": 8679.12}, {"text": "they say I think you taught me this Ted that all politics is local and uh someone else might have", "start": 8679.12, "end": 8684.68}, {"text": "said that too but you reminded me of that and um and so we we connect", "start": 8684.68, "end": 8691.279}, {"text": "with our neighbors and we reach out through our values of what we know is important to each of us and we find", "start": 8691.279, "end": 8697.84}, {"text": "Solutions and um um so I would say it starts with", "start": 8697.84, "end": 8703.88}, {"text": "values thank you thank you councelor Nan followed by", "start": 8703.88, "end": 8709.08}, {"text": "councelor Wayne councelor Nan thank you through you chair Wilson thank you CEO nans and neighbor in W 3 for coming to", "start": 8709.08, "end": 8717.399}, {"text": "delegate today um but also for stating unequivocally the value and", "start": 8717.399, "end": 8724.399}, {"text": "impact indwell brings to our city as a whole um your know organization has", "start": 8724.399, "end": 8729.96}, {"text": "given us a lot of deliverables in terms of tackling the housing and homelessness crisis in our community but also um", "start": 8729.96, "end": 8737.8}, {"text": "another partner to work with uh not only through the Hamilton's home Coalition but also through our housing Secretariat", "start": 8737.8, "end": 8743.72}, {"text": "so thank you to yourself your organization all of its volunteers and um yeah your mission driven and it", "start": 8743.72, "end": 8751.479}, {"text": "shows um I I just wanted to make sure that I", "start": 8751.479, "end": 8756.72}, {"text": "heard you correctly and if I can get this out and then you can tell me", "start": 8756.72, "end": 8762.399}, {"text": "whether or not I did I would appreciate it um so what I'm hearing you say in", "start": 8762.399, "end": 8767.56}, {"text": "response to my colleagues as well as your initial delegation is that right sizing Investments along the entire", "start": 8767.56, "end": 8775.16}, {"text": "Continuum inside of an Ever growing crisis is the challenge", "start": 8775.16, "end": 8780.88}, {"text": "that the city needs to face and you're highlighting it for our 2025 budget", "start": 8780.88, "end": 8785.92}, {"text": "shelters now for our emergency needs Supportive Housing like the partnership we're doing with City housing Hamilton", "start": 8785.92, "end": 8792.64}, {"text": "at King Willian that received Federal funding rapid Housing Initiative funding where the city is covering all of the", "start": 8792.64, "end": 8798.6}, {"text": "operational costs until the ministry agrees to assume them to rgi units like", "start": 8798.6, "end": 8804.64}, {"text": "the ones that you already have undergoing and you have built in our community to the various other", "start": 8804.64, "end": 8809.84}, {"text": "definition of affordable housing for renting and Home Ownership did I get you right in terms", "start": 8809.84, "end": 8817.439}, {"text": "of that is the balance of Investments those are the spe those are the stages", "start": 8817.439, "end": 8822.64}, {"text": "in which the municipality is needing to prioritize investment in", "start": 8822.64, "end": 8829}, {"text": "2025 the chair absolutely we need housing of all types and I would argue", "start": 8829.399, "end": 8834.439}, {"text": "that those with the most vulnerability need particular attention and focus and", "start": 8834.439, "end": 8840.359}, {"text": "uh those are folks who need um deep uh rental subsidies and uh those are folks", "start": 8840.359, "end": 8847.72}, {"text": "who have additional barriers to being able to uh find housing in the market um", 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advocating on behalf of an entire Spectrum but what is indwells ask here", "start": 8894, "end": 8900.56}, {"text": "just so that I have a sense of a number that I can put in the back of my head as we go into Budget deliberations on", "start": 8900.56, "end": 8907.08}, {"text": "specifically what indell is asking for through the chair um I think the", "start": 8907.08, "end": 8913.24}, {"text": "biggest thing I'd be looking for is partnership okay um understanding our uh", "start": 8913.24, "end": 8919.2}, {"text": "what is the gap that keeps all these projects from going forward and collaboratively trying to solve that Gap", "start": 8919.2, "end": 8925.92}, {"text": "is it a guarantee that we work to get uh so that projects can apply for levels of funding what's the Gap um obviously", "start": 8925.92, "end": 8934.84}, {"text": "funding is is is crucial and there's different ways to solve that um uh we", "start": 8934.84, "end": 8940.8}, {"text": "need your support uh to move these projects with um with six projects in", "start": 8940.8, "end": 8946.88}, {"text": "the pipeline um and uh I should also mention one of those projects that I I", "start": 8946.88, "end": 8952.6}, {"text": "failed to mention uh earlier when the council as is actually in Ward 2 the Jamesville project that we also are", "start": 8952.6, "end": 8959.08}, {"text": "partnering with so I should have mentioned that um we need help to leverage the provincial and federal uh", "start": 8959.08, "end": 8966.12}, {"text": "funds and so uh today I'm not asking for any specific dollar I'm asking for a", "start": 8966.12, "end": 8971.72}, {"text": "partnership and a commitment to move Supportive Housing forward okay thank", "start": 8971.72, "end": 8976.92}, {"text": "you thank you chair thank you any further", "start": 8976.92, "end": 8983.64}, {"text": "questions delegate Nan thank you so very much for sharing your um your experience", "start": 8983.8, "end": 8990.92}, {"text": "um I will say in my uh my experience I appreciate the counsel that you provide", "start": 8990.92, "end": 8997.439}, {"text": "us and the direct insight and uh clearly um your success at fundraising is a", "start": 8997.439, "end": 9003.279}, {"text": "measure of the confidence that the community has in you and I know mayor Horvath is", "start": 9003.279, "end": 9009.319}, {"text": "continuous uh in her reminder that we are a generous Community um we do U feel", "start": 9009.319, "end": 9016.52}, {"text": "the value and see the value in each and every single neighbor so I always appreciate when she reminds us of that", "start": 9016.52, "end": 9023.439}, {"text": "um and I appreciate the work you do in um in living that so thank", "start": 9023.439, "end": 9030.24}, {"text": "you okay to my colleagues we have one final delegation who has been waiting", "start": 9032.64, "end": 9038.08}, {"text": "and it is a a virtual one Claire Freeman from the Hamilton Community Legal", "start": 9038.08, "end": 9044.08}, {"text": "Clinic thank you for waiting and and being with us this afternoon thank you", "start": 9044.08, "end": 9050.24}, {"text": "for having me uh Rich discussion here I really feel for All City councilors and", "start": 9050.24, "end": 9055.439}, {"text": "how all the success of downloading has been put on you to care for residents and uh it's such a shame I you know I", "start": 9055.439, "end": 9062.12}, {"text": "heard what Jeff was saying around um affordability and I I have to say I", "start": 9062.12, "end": 9067.6}, {"text": "remember when Harris government came in in 1995 and cut uh um Ontario Works 21%", "start": 9067.6, "end": 9074.439}, {"text": "and we've never actually reached that again so part of our housing crisis is definitely a affordability crisis and", "start": 9074.439, "end": 9081.84}, {"text": "when we have more people who need subsidized housing in order to stay housing uh certainly we need to look up", "start": 9081.84, "end": 9087.08}, {"text": "to our Province and and to the federal levels for what they do so whatever kind of advocacy you can do um to push those", "start": 9087.08, "end": 9094.92}, {"text": "rates higher it would be very very appreciative to all citizens because people want to stay housed um we know", "start": 9094.92, "end": 9101.439}, {"text": "that uh in the last couple years uh rents have gone up through the roof and we've seen number of people rent", "start": 9101.439, "end": 9108.359}, {"text": "evictions and all kinds of things where uh folks just can't stay housed because they just can't afford it so I thank you", "start": 9108.359, "end": 9114.52}, {"text": "for your hard work and deliberating and and trying to figure out what what we're going to do here because it's never been", "start": 9114.52, "end": 9120.24}, {"text": "harder to be a city counselor I think in all the years that I've been working um but I originally came here today to", "start": 9120.24, "end": 9127.24}, {"text": "really talk about something that I also need your leadership in because I'm standing here alongside uh Community", "start": 9127.24, "end": 9132.319}, {"text": "Partners Acorn and the Canadian environmental law association to address the Urgent issue that resonates deeply", "start": 9132.319, "end": 9138.52}, {"text": "within our community and is a critical need to confront the challenge exposed to extreme heat particularly affecting", "start": 9138.52, "end": 9145.8}, {"text": "those who are most vulnerable children seniors and those with complex uh medical uh conditions who", "start": 9145.8, "end": 9152.96}, {"text": "disproportionately are in our city areas that have heat Islands the issue of", "start": 9152.96, "end": 9158.04}, {"text": "climate change is not new to this Council and I really appreciate that in 2023 you took the leadership to approve", "start": 9158.04, "end": 9164.68}, {"text": "a maximum heat bylaw um and I really ask you to think about that in your deliber", "start": 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do need", "start": 9206.92, "end": 9213.08}, {"text": "to take action again um as a great City with great grit I know that uh living in", "start": 9213.08, "end": 9218.16}, {"text": "extreme heat conditions can jeopardize your public health it is a Public Health crisis particularly for vulnerable as I", "start": 9218.16, "end": 9224.96}, {"text": "said um many residents particularly those on fixed income enduring Heat waves are poorly equipped housings um", "start": 9224.96, "end": 9232.64}, {"text": "and they're basically trying to survive um uh Hamilton is home to many older buildings situated in the urban heat", "start": 9232.64, "end": 9239.319}, {"text": "Islands as I said notably in the downtown industrial areas the East End and north and Central Hamilton living in", "start": 9239.319, "end": 9246.84}, {"text": "poorly insulated older structures Within These heat island amplifies both the heat intensity and the air pollution um", "start": 9246.84, "end": 9254.84}, {"text": "exasperating you know sort of health risk um so really what we're we're asking for is you know Hamilton has", "start": 9254.84, "end": 9261.24}, {"text": "historically demonstrated leadership in this area having passed a bylaw in 2007", "start": 9261.24, "end": 9266.479}, {"text": "to ensure that tenants have the right to a minimum temperature um it's only a provision that was officially uh uh put", "start": 9266.479, "end": 9274}, {"text": "into the residential tency act in 2019 so you can see that we're often ahead of the province in 2016 councelor Tom", "start": 9274, "end": 9282.08}, {"text": "Jackson took a stand on behalf of senior constituents advocating for the city C", "start": 9282.08, "end": 9287.16}, {"text": "Council to acknowledge climate change by reduc ucing the time landlords had to provide heat to their residents because", "start": 9287.16, "end": 9294}, {"text": "his residents were telling him in September it was too early to turn on the heat and they needed their air conditioning kept on this effort uh led", "start": 9294, "end": 9301.24}, {"text": "to the council approving the policy change thus reducing um the landlord's um responsibility so as we you know um", "start": 9301.24, "end": 9310.279}, {"text": "navigate these heat challenges and I understand that they they cost money but it also costs lives and I know that we", "start": 9310.279, "end": 9317.08}, {"text": "can work together and uh so I want to stand with Acorn and the uh Canadian", "start": 9317.08, "end": 9322.92}, {"text": "environmental law association um and they're asked to this Council um please", "start": 9322.92, "end": 9328.04}, {"text": "put some money aside to complete and phase in the maximum heat bylaw I do know that there's lots of folks who will", "start": 9328.04, "end": 9333.88}, {"text": "tell you that it can't be done but I think steuart showed you that we did do it in 2007 and and our residents are", "start": 9333.88, "end": 9340.6}, {"text": "better off for it um I do believe strongly in collaborating with other governments we got to look up as a city", "start": 9340.6, "end": 9346.68}, {"text": "we got to you know keep stopping just asking the taxpayer to pay all of the things that the the feds and the and the", "start": 9346.68, "end": 9353.96}, {"text": "uh Province are not doing it so we do need to look at how they can provide incentives to landlord to make their", "start": 9353.96, "end": 9360.2}, {"text": "buildings green um we see that they do it sometimes um but we need them to do it on a more commercial level for people", "start": 9360.2, "end": 9366.72}, {"text": "and not pass those increases on to folks we need to expand the the free free bus", "start": 9366.72, "end": 9372.08}, {"text": "tickets on Extreme Heats it's very important um and then also I do think we", "start": 9372.08, "end": 9377.12}, {"text": "need to expand the amount of air conditioning units for those on ODSP who Health who have health issues I know we", 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9428.88}, {"text": "I can I ask how is the Community Legal Clinic funded I believe that you're", "start": 9428.88, "end": 9434.56}, {"text": "mainly publicly funded through the provincial government but also through the city of Hamilton", "start": 9434.56, "end": 9440.319}, {"text": "uh we're funded through legal aid Ontario so it's not actually Pro uh uh funded by the government directly and we", "start": 9440.319, "end": 9448.08}, {"text": "last year you were as kind to allow us to continue to protect uh tenants with a tenant defense fund that looks at uh", "start": 9448.08, "end": 9455.479}, {"text": "keeping people from being rent evicted and uh and also looking at uh group", "start": 9455.479, "end": 9460.8}, {"text": "applications for folks and we certainly hope that you look favorably upon that", "start": 9460.8, "end": 9465.92}, {"text": "um you will see that we've already exceeded what we uh put out there as a", "start": 9465.92, "end": 9472.16}, {"text": "um an amount that we were going to help protect tenants thank you tenant says you know", "start": 9472.16, "end": 9477.6}, {"text": "I'll just dra add this I mean there's legislation that's happened in this province that took off rent controls to", "start": 9477.6, "end": 9483.439}, {"text": "people there's all kinds of reasons that folks are being uh really pushed out of their residents and so we need to", "start": 9483.439, "end": 9489.92}, {"text": "protect their rights as much as possible thank you delegate Freeman councelor Deno thank you and", "start": 9489.92, "end": 9496.64}, {"text": "just um so I'm clear legal aid Ontario is Public Funding it's uh it's funded through they", "start": 9496.64, "end": 9504.359}, {"text": "get a portion of their money through the government uh to provide you know the", "start": 9504.359, "end": 9510.2}, {"text": "the legislated legal services that that are required and we're funded through them thank you thank", "start": 9510.2, "end": 9517.319}, {"text": "you um and the Hamilton Community Legal Clinic has a number of Staff lawyers who", "start": 9517.319, "end": 9524.279}, {"text": "are then their salaries activities are then funded through public tax tax", "start": 9524.279, "end": 9529.68}, {"text": "dollars who legal aid Ontario and through the city of Hamilton", "start": 9529.68, "end": 9536.2}, {"text": "yes and of course you're aware of the active Court challenge against the city of Hamilton that is uh attempting to", "start": 9536.2, "end": 9544.56}, {"text": "eliminate this m this municipality's ability to enforce our own uh tent", "start": 9544.56, "end": 9550.64}, {"text": "encampment bylaw councelor Danko on the information provided by the", "start": 9550.64, "end": 9557.16}, {"text": "delegate this is a budget question uh the delegate is presenting on the", "start": 9557.16, "end": 9563.76}, {"text": "budget would you like me to answer that question or is that because that's not", "start": 9565.64, "end": 9571.2}, {"text": "really actually what I'm I'm here to ask you to look at so but it's it's not", "start": 9571.2, "end": 9576.72}, {"text": "councelor Danko could you reframe your question so it's within the par parameters of what the delegate is here", "start": 9576.72, "end": 9582.72}, {"text": "to delegate on which is a budget delegation it is a budget delegation I'm", "start": 9582.72, "end": 9587.76}, {"text": "asking a budget question and I would like to know what involvement the Hamilton Community Legal Clinic has in", "start": 9587.76, "end": 9594.359}, {"text": "the active Court challenge against the city Hamilton and City taxpayers point of order thank you I'll recognize the", "start": 9594.359, "end": 9601.08}, {"text": "point of order councelor Nan thank you budget chair um I understand the delegate was here to speak on um heat", "start": 9601.08, "end": 9609.08}, {"text": "bylaws and temperature related bylaws specifically and that was the aspect of the budget delegation of the delegate I", 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is outside the domain of the", "start": 9652.88, "end": 9658.079}, {"text": "delegation thank you do you have any further questions delegate or um coun", "start": 9660.479, "end": 9666.84}, {"text": "Dano okay any further", "start": 9666.84, "end": 9672.359}, {"text": "questions celor Pauls thank you and through the chair", "start": 9672.359, "end": 9678.64}, {"text": "just wondering the heat bylaw where's it the funding", "start": 9678.64, "end": 9683.92}, {"text": "coming from isn't it coming from the climate change", "start": 9683.92, "end": 9689.6}, {"text": "fun uh I don't know where you're you're allocating it but I would uh I think", "start": 9689.6, "end": 9695.04}, {"text": "it's public health and and from climate change like I don't know exactly your line where you're you're taking it from", "start": 9695.04, "end": 9702.2}, {"text": "yeah so there it's not going to it's going to take the funding that we give to the climate change and they're taking", "start": 9702.2, "end": 9708.56}, {"text": "up to so um so I just wanted to know if you knew where it came from and I think it", "start": 9708.56, "end": 9715.12}, {"text": "it is um so thank you that's all I wanted to know if I could just clarify", "start": 9715.12, "end": 9721.24}, {"text": "the I know that the the funds that come through the uh ODSP air conditioning I think that comes through uh funding from", "start": 9721.24, "end": 9728.92}, {"text": "your you're allocated for social assistance councelor Paul do you have", "start": 9728.92, "end": 9734.56}, {"text": "any additional questions no that's it thank you okay any further", "start": 9734.56, "end": 9740.439}, {"text": "questions thank you delegate Freeman for participating in this public process and for sticking around thank", "start": 9740.439, "end": 9747.04}, {"text": "you okay that is our final delegate today um I need a mover to seconder to", "start": 9747.04, "end": 9752.279}, {"text": "approve the all the delegate requests it's moved by councelor Alex Wilson seconded by councelor mcmein can we", "start": 9752.279, "end": 9758.76}, {"text": "please uh vote on that thank you thumbs up from councelor Jackson and", "start": 9758.76, "end": 9765.08}, {"text": "councelor mcin and councelor spatap for I feel like the Romper Room I", "start": 9765.08, "end": 9773}, {"text": "see oh yes Thumbs Up For", "start": 9775.12, "end": 9779.08}, {"text": "Me councelor Francis are you with us markim is absent", "start": 9783.84, "end": 9791.64}, {"text": "please awesome that carries 14 to zero um councelor spatap for and councelor", "start": 9793.399, "end": 9800.319}, {"text": "Clark would like to adjourn this meeting it's so moved please", "start": 9800.319, "end": 9805.56}, {"text": "vote councelor Jackson and MCM have their thumbs up as do I as does councelor spatap", "start": 9806.16, "end": 9813.56}, {"text": "for good", "start": 9815.359, "end": 9818.521}, {"text": "night that carries 14 to nothing again thank you to all the delegates who participated in this public process", "start": 9826.96, "end": 9834.439}, {"text": "appreciate the time and the consideration you have given us and sharing us sharing with us um your asks", "start": 9834.439, "end": 9840.439}, {"text": "your insights and your time we are adjourned", "start": 9840.439, "end": 9845.88}]