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"meeting number 18 to order welcome everybody uh to all the lawyers in the room and I understand there's lots of", "start": 759.16, "end": 765.519}, {"text": "them the committee is going to do our best to make sure your billable hours don't increase this morning so thanks", "start": 765.519, "end": 771.6}, {"text": "for being here uh today's meeting is being held by video conference and iners at City Hall in committee room number", "start": 771.6, "end": 778.199}, {"text": "one this meeting is also being live streamed on youtube.com/ Toronto City", "start": 778.199, "end": 783.68}, {"text": "Council live uh for the land acknowledgement I would like to say on behalf of our colleagues and our city", "start": 783.68, "end": 789.68}, {"text": "staff that although we may be meeting in different locations today the general government committee I'd like to", "start": 789.68, "end": 795.76}, {"text": "acknowledge the land we're meeting on is the traditional territories of many nations including the Miss sagas of the", "start": 795.76, "end": 802.12}, {"text": "credit the Ana shab the chipa the hon dasoni and the wend peoples and is now", "start": 802.12, "end": 808.12}, {"text": "home to many diverse First Nations inet and mate peoples we would also like to", "start": 808.12, "end": 814.079}, {"text": "acknowledge that Toronto is covered by treaty number 13 with the Miss sagas of the", "start": 814.079, "end": 819.6}, {"text": "credit uh I just want to remind everybody if you are registered to speak and there is a speakers list uh if you", "start": 819.6, "end": 825.92}, {"text": "can please listen for me to call your name I will be calling speakers in the order they appear on the list for each", "start": 825.92, "end": 832.16}, {"text": "item the list of speakers can also be reviewed or viewed online by visiting", "start": 832.16, "end": 837.48}, {"text": "the general government committee on the city's website at tronca counil and", "start": 837.48, "end": 843.44}, {"text": "clicking on the speakers box for today's meeting for the members of the committee just a reminder that the clerk has", "start": 843.44, "end": 849.839}, {"text": "provided all of our meeting materials on toronto.ca counil and on the clerk's", "start": 849.839, "end": 855.199}, {"text": "meeting portable portal they're available to members if you need any help with your devices I also want to", "start": 855.199, "end": 862.24}, {"text": "remind everybody to please submit your motions to Matthew at GGC t.ca to help", "start": 862.24, "end": 869.399}, {"text": "with any motions this morning uh for Declarations of Interest are there any under the municipal", "start": 869.399, "end": 875.48}, {"text": "conflict of interest act seeing none uh can I have a motion", "start": 875.48, "end": 880.6}, {"text": "to confirm the minutes from our last meeting on October 16th 2024 Council Burnside moved by Council", "start": 880.6, "end": 888.12}, {"text": "Burnside all in favor that carries 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you my name is Richard Sadowski I'm addressing you both as a resident of 621 Shepard Avenue East and", "start": 1819.519, "end": 1827.76}, {"text": "as the president of the condominium Corporation 2757 it's my hope that I'll be able to", "start": 1827.76, "end": 1834.559}, {"text": "provide any additional information uh to the more than 200 owners in the building", "start": 1834.559, "end": 1839.919}, {"text": "following today's hearing for your information I've spoken with various Departments of the city very helpful uh", "start": 1839.919, "end": 1848}, {"text": "talked to a number of our owners and also been in touch with the law firm that represented the developer of the", "start": 1848, "end": 1854.2}, {"text": "project um as you are aware all owners were provided with notices from the city", "start": 1854.2, "end": 1860.76}, {"text": "uh essentially putting us on notice that property taxes were due for 2019 and", "start": 1860.76, "end": 1866.519}, {"text": "2020 this came as a 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councelor Chang councelor holiday had the floor first and then you can okay great holiday", "start": 2067.48, "end": 2074.52}, {"text": "thank you for speaking to us today sir uh could you just tell me since July", "start": 2074.52, "end": 2080.72}, {"text": "2020 uh has anyone paid taxes since then uh councelor holiday I can only", "start": 2080.72, "end": 2089.118}, {"text": "speak in my case but there have been some owners that have indicated that", "start": 2089.119, "end": 2094.32}, {"text": "they have I personally have paid taxes in 21 two three and four okay so do you", "start": 2094.32, "end": 2102.16}, {"text": "know when the Builder made a payment in July 2020 was that for the annualized", "start": 2102.16, "end": 2108.079}, {"text": "taxes in 2020 or was it uh to your the best of your understanding up until that", "start": 2108.079, "end": 2113.44}, {"text": "date and the reason I asked that is because the period covered for some of these goes to the end of 2020 so", 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um so counselor uh the taxes that we were advised about uh form uh", "start": 2176.24, "end": 2183.52}, {"text": "two different uh areas one for the actual unit we occupy and one for the", "start": 2183.52, "end": 2189.48}, {"text": "property the taxes that the city was looking for was the property amount uh", "start": 2189.48, "end": 2195.319}, {"text": "for 2019 and I understand from the city that they're satisfied that that all of", "start": 2195.319, "end": 2201.44}, {"text": "those numbers uh all all of those um amounts owed by the owners at 621", "start": 2201.44, "end": 2209}, {"text": "Shepard are are not being sought that the city has been made whole so the whole back uh that happened", "start": 2209, "end": 2217.76}, {"text": "with the developer cover 2019 but there's a gap uh in terms of what was", "start": 2217.76, "end": 2225.359}, {"text": "paid and what the city is asking for for 2020 is that correct yeah I I can only", "start": 2225.359, "end": 2230.72}, {"text": "tell you in my own personal case the amount that the city is", "start": 2230.72, "end": 2235.92}, {"text": "seeking um reflects the entire amount that was um held back uh in my statement", "start": 2235.92, "end": 2243.56}, {"text": "of adjustments in my personal unit um they are Cor Corr responding amounts uh", "start": 2243.56, "end": 2249.64}, {"text": "so the uh so the um uh legal firm holds it back on the statement of adjustment", "start": 2249.64, "end": 2256.319}, {"text": "uh the Builder has these funds and the Builder ultimately is responsible for", "start": 2256.319, "end": 2261.48}, {"text": "for paying them as I'm told that they did so the Builder has said the entire", "start": 2261.48, "end": 2268.04}, {"text": "amount has already been given to the city but the city is saying that money", "start": 2268.04, "end": 2274.16}, {"text": "has not been received yeah I'm really confused because the Builder clearly is not here so uh the Builder is the one", "start": 2274.16, "end": 2281.599}, {"text": "that was presented with this uh Bill ultimately saying we're the wrong ones", "start": 2281.599, "end": 2287.52}, {"text": "um we have paid all that we owe and so the city has sought to come to to not", "start": 2287.52, "end": 2293.24}, {"text": "come after but to to to to send notices out to 200 owners who were a little", "start": 2293.24, "end": 2299.319}, {"text": "surprised that they were each being asked for several thousands of", "start": 2299.319, "end": 2304.359}, {"text": "dollars and is every owner clear on their specific amount they're", "start": 2304.359, "end": 2312.72}, {"text": "clear on their specific amount but I can't speak to them and this is part of my report back to them uh to say uh that", "start": 2312.72, "end": 2320.319}, {"text": "they need to look at their own statement of adjustments but I of the of the more", "start": 2320.319, "end": 2325.8}, {"text": "than 15 or 20 not a large sample but 10% of the building in every case their own", "start": 2325.8, "end": 2332.8}, {"text": "statement of adjustments reflected a payment uh held back by the the Builder", "start": 2332.8, "end": 2338.24}, {"text": "the developer to be paid for the taxes that formed part of the amount that was", "start": 2338.24, "end": 2343.76}, {"text": "paid in July 2020 so I think that the developer doesn't feel they're not here uh and and", "start": 2343.76, "end": 2350.88}, {"text": "and they're the ones served with the bill initially I I gather they feel that uh it's not on their shoulders and if", "start": 2350.88, "end": 2357.119}, {"text": "anything that uh the argument might be with the city and the indiv the it's not", "start": 2357.119, "end": 2362.4}, {"text": "the builders's responsibility to act on behalf of the 200 owners they're gone", "start": 2362.4, "end": 2368.92}, {"text": "okay well we look forward to hearing from staff about what's happening here but thank you for being here to make", "start": 2369.2, "end": 2375.119}, {"text": "this deputation thank you a as you understand my dilemma personally and on behalf of", "start": 2375.119, "end": 2382.52}, {"text": "is and and there is a provision I've read in the uh notices that we got uh", "start": 2382.52, "end": 2388.52}, {"text": "that simply says that um the uh approved property taxes if you folks uh end up", "start": 2388.52, "end": 2395.48}, {"text": "passing this a sub to adjustments by the city and further amounts though that are", "start": 2395.48, "end": 2402.28}, {"text": "we're all receiving there is I gather an appeals process and maybe that's where", "start": 2402.28, "end": 2407.4}, {"text": "this all ends up going if there are still monies owed to each of the 200", "start": 2407.4, "end": 2414.079}, {"text": "owners thank you thank you thank you councelor Chang councelor", "start": 2414.28, "end": 2419.56}, {"text": "holiday questions of the depent you're done oh sorry okay anybody", "start": 2419.56, "end": 2426.04}, {"text": "else have questions to the deput seeing none we're going to move to questions of", "start": 2426.04, "end": 2433.24}, {"text": "Staff anybody have questions of Staff sorry councelor", "start": 2433.24, "end": 2441.839}, {"text": "Chang thank you um I wonder if staff can speak to this discrepancy described by", "start": 2442.8, "end": 2448.52}, {"text": "the", "start": 2448.52, "end": 2450.68}, {"text": "deput through the chair um the payments that the deput had uh indicated in his", "start": 2455.88, "end": 2463}, {"text": "statement will be applied to the accounts once the apportionment has been", "start": 2463, "end": 2468.16}, {"text": "approved by the committee I think that what the deput is", "start": 2468.16, "end": 2473.839}, {"text": "saying is that the developer has held back this amount and", "start": 2473.839, "end": 2480.92}, {"text": "applied it already in July of 2020 so", "start": 2480.92, "end": 2488.92}, {"text": "it is my understanding the the residents feel this amount was already paid so", "start": 2488.92, "end": 2494.119}, {"text": "what is the miscommunication here or did the developer hold back monies that were", "start": 2494.119, "end": 2500.24}, {"text": "never transferred to the city through the chair uh the city is not party to", "start": 2500.24, "end": 2505.599}, {"text": "the agreement between the Builder and the um residents of the building", "start": 2505.599, "end": 2511.44}, {"text": "therefore I cannot comment if the Builder um estimated correctly in the", "start": 2511.44, "end": 2516.88}, {"text": "amount of of money to be retrieved by the residents as it stands right now the account is in aars taxes run with the", "start": 2516.88, "end": 2524.96}, {"text": "land there and collection efforts have been exhausted on this property", "start": 2524.96, "end": 2530.2}, {"text": "therefore we're bringing it forward for a portion and will there be late fees", "start": 2530.2, "end": 2537.2}, {"text": "applied as well no once the apportionment has been sorry through the chair once the apportionment has been", "start": 2537.2, "end": 2543.839}, {"text": "approved by the committee all interest and penalties will be waited", "start": 2543.839, "end": 2549.119}, {"text": "so can the city speak to whether or not monies were received by the developer as", "start": 2549.559, "end": 2554.92}, {"text": "described by the deputed through the chair I can confirm that for", "start": 2554.92, "end": 2560.559}, {"text": "2019 a payment was received and full for 2020 partial payment was received we", "start": 2560.559, "end": 2567.2}, {"text": "have also been advising uh residents that one option that they have is to", "start": 2567.2, "end": 2572.319}, {"text": "contact their Title Insurance Company um as they may be able any re that are", "start": 2572.319, "end": 2578.52}, {"text": "outstanding on their account they may be able to file a claim with their title insurance company for those", "start": 2578.52, "end": 2585.44}, {"text": "funds so the developer potentially covered the unit uh portion of the uh", "start": 2585.44, "end": 2594.52}, {"text": "tax but not the property I can't speak to the amount I'm", "start": 2594.52, "end": 2599.76}, {"text": "not I don't have the amount in front of me but a partial payment was received", "start": 2599.76, "end": 2606.04}, {"text": "okay thank you those are all my my questions okay thank you councelor Chang councelor holiday questions uh thanks", "start": 2606.04, "end": 2613.48}, {"text": "chair uh to staff and if if you don't mind if you could just get the microphone a little closer because it's hard to hear um so in in this report", "start": 2613.48, "end": 2622.319}, {"text": "there looks to be a partial tax year in", "start": 2622.319, "end": 2628.44}, {"text": "2019 it looks to be it varies but it looks to be around the end of September", "start": 2628.44, "end": 2633.839}, {"text": "or October 2019 to the end of 2019 and then generally for some of the", "start": 2633.839, "end": 2640.96}, {"text": "units uh into 2020 if I scroll through the", "start": 2640.96, "end": 2646.359}, {"text": "page 01120 to 31220 the can you sorry go ahead yes I", "start": 2646.359, "end": 2654.92}, {"text": "confirmed those uh dates okay so we're we're talking about part of 2019 and all", "start": 2654.92, "end": 2660.68}, {"text": "of 20120 generally for the units that are covered in 2021 uh has the taxes been a portion", "start": 2660.68, "end": 2667.88}, {"text": "has the accounts been set up have you been receiving ta tax money as you would traditionally have through the chair I", "start": 2667.88, "end": 2675.52}, {"text": "can confirm that the assessment um Municipal property assessment Corporation has assigned individual uh", "start": 2675.52, "end": 2681.48}, {"text": "role numbers to each unit in the building and property taxes have been issued to those residents okay so 2021", "start": 2681.48, "end": 2688.559}, {"text": "is not a matter of concern for this committee and I don't think the deput brought it up so back to the the partial", "start": 2688.559, "end": 2696.04}, {"text": "payment do I understand this correctly if committee passes this report you will", "start": 2696.04, "end": 2702.92}, {"text": "actually create the tax bills and the tax accounts for 2019 and 2020 as", "start": 2702.92, "end": 2708.04}, {"text": "described through the chair that's correct they don't exist today through the chair that is correct okay so you", "start": 2708.04, "end": 2714.359}, {"text": "you received a payment from someone presumably the the Builder developer whoever it was for the taxes in", "start": 2714.359, "end": 2722.72}, {"text": "2019 have you applied that payment to anything or is it just sitting through the chair the payment is sitting uh the", "start": 2722.72, "end": 2730.64}, {"text": "report is to request the authority to to to transfer to the individual accounts", "start": 2730.64, "end": 2737.88}, {"text": "do you know if the payment that you received for 2019 covers all of the", "start": 2737.88, "end": 2743.76}, {"text": "taxes you've laid out in this report through the chair yes I can confirm that the payment received will um pay for", "start": 2743.76, "end": 2751.24}, {"text": "2019 taxation year okay so so whatever paperwork the residents get back they're", "start": 2751.24, "end": 2758.319}, {"text": "not likely to be asked for money for 2019 through the chair that's correct okay over to 2020 in terms of the", "start": 2758.319, "end": 2765.68}, {"text": "payments that you have received does that cover all of the 2020 bills through", "start": 2765.68, "end": 2771.04}, {"text": "the chair no it does not and and is there a a break point or some understanding that we have uh a point in", "start": 2771.04, "end": 2778.079}, {"text": "time that it covers through the chair no I do not", "start": 2778.079, "end": 2783.599}, {"text": "have a time frame okay so you have some amount of Bal balance that you can apply to the 2020 bills and there'll be some", "start": 2783.599, "end": 2791.04}, {"text": "leftover balance for the property owners to pay through the chair that is correct", "start": 2791.04, "end": 2797}, {"text": "do we know is it is it most of the costs are covered or a little bit of the costs do we have any sense order of", "start": 2797, "end": 2805.519}, {"text": "magnitude I have I don't have an exact range to provide the", "start": 2808.68, "end": 2815.28}, {"text": "committee okay but but the the effect of passing this is that people will receive", "start": 2815.28, "end": 2820.839}, {"text": "bills for 2020 and there presumably will be some credit applied to it through the", "start": 2820.839, "end": 2826.319}, {"text": "chair that is correct okay um thank you those are my questions chair thank you for your answers thank you councelor", "start": 2826.319, "end": 2832.359}, {"text": "holiday other questions of Staff speakers on this", "start": 2832.359, "end": 2838.24}, {"text": "item any speakers can I have somebody move the recommendation in the report", "start": 2840.319, "end": 2846.559}, {"text": "I'll speak I'll speak briefly I just want to yeah so I I want", "start": 2846.559, "end": 2853.64}, {"text": "to thank the deput for coming and it seems that there is a gap in understanding between their developer", "start": 2853.64, "end": 2860.28}, {"text": "and themselves and uh and I think the our staff have suggested looking into", "start": 2860.28, "end": 2867.68}, {"text": "the insurance available uh to see if that is something that they can um get", "start": 2867.68, "end": 2874.079}, {"text": "covered but it seems to me that the resolution for this for the residents is", "start": 2874.079, "end": 2880.24}, {"text": "not with the city but with the developer so um I hope that they're able to find a", "start": 2880.24, "end": 2887.8}, {"text": "remedy thank you thank you councelor Chang so are you", "start": 2887.8, "end": 2894.079}, {"text": "moving the report yes I'll move the report okay move recommendations moved by councelor", "start": 2894.079, "end": 2899.88}, {"text": "changen all in favor that carries our next item is gg1 18.2 cancellation", "start": 2899.88, "end": 2905.64}, {"text": "reduction and refund of property taxes or payment in Le of taxes as of number November 20th", "start": 2905.64, "end": 2912.16}, {"text": "2024 uh we have one registered speaker Richard Bolas of sign a Build", "start": 2912.16, "end": 2917.319}, {"text": "Incorporated who is uh speaking by video conference oh good morning sir sorry I", "start": 2917.319, "end": 2923.599}, {"text": "have video conference on my sheet in front of me good morning you have five minutes to address the committee whenever you're ready sure uh the matter", "start": 2923.599, "end": 2931.44}, {"text": "presented today involves impacct in the city jointly and pertains to the property located at 2080 82 Queen Street", "start": 2931.44, "end": 2937.799}, {"text": "East in Toronto so the city had one of the property tax bills for the subject", "start": 2937.799, "end": 2943.079}, {"text": "property accidentally addressed to the neighboring property for the last few years since the owner unknowingly", "start": 2943.079, "end": 2949.68}, {"text": "received one of the property tax bills associated with the property while the owner was sent while the other was sent", "start": 2949.68, "end": 2955.24}, {"text": "to the neighboring property who shared the same tenant in December of 2023 the city", "start": 2955.24, "end": 2961.16}, {"text": "corrected the billing and addressed the ER and assigned the second tax bill for the property to the correct owner cill", "start": 2961.16, "end": 2967.04}, {"text": "building upon receipt of the bill cab build has been in correspondence with the city and impact concerning the", "start": 2967.04, "end": 2973.119}, {"text": "accuracy of the billing as the new combined property value was unusually elevated versus similar property in the", "start": 2973.119, "end": 2980.52}, {"text": "node an aggregate uh sorry we skip that um so as as a result uh request for", "start": 2980.52, "end": 2988.24}, {"text": "reconsideration was filed with impac for 2024 where they uncovered and formally acknowledged a material error with", "start": 2988.24, "end": 2994.839}, {"text": "respect to uh the measurement of the property and this resulted in a", "start": 2994.839, "end": 3000}, {"text": "reduction to the property value of 18.8% and lowered uh the total property value", "start": 3000, "end": 3006.319}, {"text": "uh for the tax years 2024 and upcoming 2025 the impact minutes of settlement", "start": 3006.319, "end": 3013}, {"text": "have since been processed with the city for 2024 and a refund is expected shortly the issue uh is for the tax", "start": 3013, "end": 3020}, {"text": "years 2021 2022 and 2023 the city has retroactively", "start": 3020, "end": 3025.799}, {"text": "build the owner um in the amount of 72,2 192 which has", "start": 3025.799, "end": 3032.319}, {"text": "been paid in full as of the end of October so today we are respectfully asking that the total amount build for", "start": 3032.319, "end": 3038.359}, {"text": "2021 2022 and 2023 be reduced in line with the impact reduction of value of", "start": 3038.359, "end": 3046.359}, {"text": "18.8% uh that was already applied to 2024 and 2025 given uh that the city's billing", "start": 3046.359, "end": 3053.359}, {"text": "was retroactive we were not able to require uh to file a request for reconsideration with empact for these", "start": 3053.359, "end": 3059.4}, {"text": "years so we cannot formally file the rfr with impact for retroactive billing and", "start": 3059.4, "end": 3065.079}, {"text": "there were two major errors that led us down this path first the city accidentally sent the tax bill to the", "start": 3065.079, "end": 3070.48}, {"text": "wrong owner and second empact entered the wrong measurement for the property area which resulted in a value that was", "start": 3070.48, "end": 3076.48}, {"text": "18.8% higher than it should have been so that's the", "start": 3076.48, "end": 3082.2}, {"text": "issue okay thank you sir questions to the depu", "start": 3082.24, "end": 3087.798}, {"text": "everybody's good thank you very much sir appreciate your presentation this morning uh we'll bring it in committee questions of Staff councelor", "start": 3089.44, "end": 3096}, {"text": "holiday thanks chair my question is um is there any way that the owner can", "start": 3096, "end": 3104.079}, {"text": "address", "start": 3104.079, "end": 3106.559}, {"text": "this through the through the chair um I understand um Mr blutes is issue in", "start": 3109.559, "end": 3116.04}, {"text": "accordance to the assessment review board rules of practice and procedure there is an option for Mr blutes to", "start": 3116.04, "end": 3122.76}, {"text": "pursue a request to file a late appeal I can provide Mr baluts with the contact", "start": 3122.76, "end": 3127.96}, {"text": "information with the assessment review board and he can inquire into the necessary steps for the board to", "start": 3127.96, "end": 3133.76}, {"text": "consider his uh late appeal my follow-up question is um if", "start": 3133.76, "end": 3140.92}, {"text": "there's an adjustment that's processed with impacct concerning the value of the property", "start": 3140.92, "end": 3147.48}, {"text": "any adjustments to the tax account that occur do they show up in a report to", "start": 3147.48, "end": 3153.839}, {"text": "this committee or are they done through the staff process so the through the", "start": 3153.839, "end": 3158.92}, {"text": "through the chair the reason for the difference in the cvas between the tax years is due to the provision in which", "start": 3158.92, "end": 3164.96}, {"text": "the relief was sought um city of Toronto act in a gross and manifest error is an", "start": 3164.96, "end": 3170.76}, {"text": "error in the preparation of the assessment role that is clerical or factual in nature but not an error in", "start": 3170.76, "end": 3177.64}, {"text": "judgment in assessing the property a request for reconsideration is through the", "start": 3177.64, "end": 3183.44}, {"text": "Assessment Act within the request for reconsideration it opens the current value for a full review impacct will", "start": 3183.44, "end": 3190.599}, {"text": "look at the property using standard valuation methods and make any necessary adjustments for factual issues however", "start": 3190.599, "end": 3198.44}, {"text": "they must also check to make sure that the value is fair compared to similar properties in the area this specific", "start": 3198.44, "end": 3205.96}, {"text": "provision provides impacct the authority to make an adjustment Based On A Rage of fairness with similar properties this", "start": 3205.96, "end": 3213.64}, {"text": "provision is not permitted within tax applications in the city of Toronto act", "start": 3213.64, "end": 3219.88}, {"text": "in which this report is um regarding so where does the property owner go next", "start": 3219.88, "end": 3227.72}, {"text": "to empac or to the city um through the chair the suggestion is the property", "start": 3227.72, "end": 3233.119}, {"text": "owner go to the assessment review board and request um consideration for filing", "start": 3233.119, "end": 3239.119}, {"text": "a late um section 40 appeal so that the um assessment can be looked in its", "start": 3239.119, "end": 3246}, {"text": "entirety so this is an awkward place to sort of ask and answer these questions for a speaker because they can't but if", "start": 3246, "end": 3253.44}, {"text": "they wanted to speak to somebody at the city uh to try to outline the process and the recommendation what's their best", "start": 3253.44, "end": 3260}, {"text": "way to connect I guess from a customer service perspective um Mr blutes can", "start": 3260, "end": 3265.079}, {"text": "contact uh Revenue Services myself or my staff I believe we've been in contact with Mr blutes a number of occasions um", "start": 3265.079, "end": 3271.92}, {"text": "he is free to contact anybody from our", "start": 3271.92, "end": 3276.798}, {"text": "department okay thank you councelor holiday other questions to staff on this", "start": 3277.16, "end": 3282.559}, {"text": "item seeing none speakers can I have somebody move the", "start": 3282.559, "end": 3288.52}, {"text": "recommendations I sorry there's an amendment before us as well", "start": 3288.52, "end": 3294.24}, {"text": "sure can have somebody move the amendment by councelor croissan all in", "start": 3296.88, "end": 3303.44}, {"text": "favor item is amended all in favor that carries and our next item Sor and I'm", "start": 3303.44, "end": 3309.4}, {"text": "just going to remind everybody members of the public I'm G to go through the agenda and do items that have registered", "start": 3309.4, "end": 3315.599}, {"text": "speakers and then we'll go back to the ones held by committee members so our next one is gg-1 18.4 Award of document", "start": 3315.599, "end": 3322.96}, {"text": "455 392 8310 to gfl environmental Incorporated", "start": 3322.96, "end": 3328.319}, {"text": "for curbside collection services and District Two for Solid Waste Management Services I have one registered speaker", "start": 3328.319, "end": 3336.119}, {"text": "um Patrick doii of gfl environment", "start": 3336.119, "end": 3340.72}, {"text": "Incorporated morning sir you have five minutes to address the committee whenever you're ready uh good morning um", "start": 3346.599, "end": 3352.559}, {"text": "um I thought it was obviously important that I attended U myself as sort of being the founder and CEO of gfl", "start": 3352.559, "end": 3358.52}, {"text": "environmental um this city of Toronto contract that is currently up for um", "start": 3358.52, "end": 3364.24}, {"text": "rebid was a contract that was you know 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3896.079}, {"text": "the parameters of the contract in public because it hasn't been awarded yet uh other questions of the deput", "start": 3896.079, "end": 3904.76}, {"text": "councelor Chang great thank you so much um through", "start": 3904.76, "end": 3910.88}, {"text": "the speaker so uh I just have some questions about the impact of the landfill sites", "start": 3910.88, "end": 3919.319}, {"text": "of gfl um I read here in a article on local", "start": 3919.319, "end": 3925.24}, {"text": "to that there have been at least 14 fires and one explosion in sites between 2020", "start": 3925.24, "end": 3931.96}, {"text": "and 2023 at a rate of almost one every month these include on October on August 2022", "start": 3931.96, "end": 3939.559}, {"text": "a blaze at a recycling facility uh in Edmonton that lasted 20 hours and uh", "start": 3939.559, "end": 3946.279}, {"text": "further in 2021 the auditor general monaros reported hazardous", "start": 3946.279, "end": 3952.72}, {"text": "spills uh and that uh gfl is the only waste management company on the auditor", "start": 3952.72, "end": 3959.799}, {"text": "General's report list of 30 most frequent Spillers with 78 reported", "start": 3959.799, "end": 3965.119}, {"text": "spills between 2016 and 2020 and they point out that gfl as an example of how", "start": 3965.119, "end": 3972.48}, {"text": "Ontario's Environ coun do you have a question yes I do you're a minute in", "start": 3972.48, "end": 3977.88}, {"text": "your five y companies to continue operating despite these growing offenses", "start": 3977.88, "end": 3984.119}, {"text": "and I just you know there's some concerns about the environmental impact", "start": 3984.119, "end": 3989.839}, {"text": "of your operation counselor do you have a question wondering it's not speaking time question yes if you could speak to", "start": 3989.839, "end": 3996.72}, {"text": "these allegations uh and how they uh how our", "start": 3996.72, "end": 4002.2}, {"text": "waste impacts the greater environment as it leaves our city yeah I think we", "start": 4002.2, "end": 4008.279}, {"text": "operate with under the law and we have every operating permit and be able to", "start": 4008.279, "end": 4014.599}, {"text": "execute this contract and none of our permits have been revoked we report all of these incidents as they happen I", "start": 4014.599, "end": 4020.16}, {"text": "don't think it's uncommon for fires to happen at a landfill or recycling facility obviously with the size and", "start": 4020.16, "end": 4026.839}, {"text": "scale of the business we have in Ontario by and far the largest in this province", "start": 4026.839, "end": 4032.799}, {"text": "you know that might get reported more frequently because of the size the amount of actual Revenue we do in this", "start": 4032.799, "end": 4038.52}, {"text": "province um but I can tell you we have no issues with our operating permits we have no issues with the ministry of", "start": 4038.52, "end": 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will", "start": 4142.44, "end": 4152.4}, {"text": "chair I have one question for staff okay councelor Manis um to staff um were all steps", "start": 4152.4, "end": 4160.199}, {"text": "taken for the procurement process uh to be fulfilled and for the requirements of", "start": 4160.199, "end": 4166.199}, {"text": "the of the process to be fulfilled and why are we bringing back this item", "start": 4166.199, "end": 4173.52}, {"text": "today through the this the chair to to council um yes all steps in the", "start": 4173.52, "end": 4179.199}, {"text": "procurement process uh were taken and um it's back at committee today due to", "start": 4179.199, "end": 4186}, {"text": "council Direction at the previous council", "start": 4186, "end": 4190.238}, {"text": "meeting okay thank you councelor holiday questions of Staff", "start": 4192.239, "end": 4198.76}, {"text": "yeah it's um it's a a basic one is there a term sheet available with respect to this", "start": 4198.76, "end": 4206.48}, {"text": "agreement um I realize legal Agreements are long and complex things but is there", "start": 4206.48, "end": 4213.44}, {"text": "a a simple way for me to see the deliverables that the provider offers", "start": 4213.44, "end": 4218.48}, {"text": "and is that something that's still a confidential item given the status of this report", "start": 4218.48, "end": 4226.04}, {"text": "uh through the the chair to council the term sheets uh the terms are all included within the the RFP um I'd have", "start": 4226.04, "end": 4232.92}, {"text": "to pass that over to Genevie if there's any additional information that that could be shared on that okay fair enough", "start": 4232.92, "end": 4238.36}, {"text": "thank you thanks chair thank you councelor holay councelor Burnside questions of", "start": 4238.36, "end": 4245.32}, {"text": "Staff okay councelor Chang thank you uh thank you Mr Speaker um so so I'm", "start": 4246.48, "end": 4255.92}, {"text": "just wondering what kind of 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"all contracts uh within the division uh in addition some of the other requirements from the previous contract", "start": 4309.92, "end": 4316.52}, {"text": "are the side guard requirements on the fleet um and as Mr deiji did mention uh", "start": 4316.52, "end": 4323.96}, {"text": "compressed natural gas is is now being used in those vehicles under this contract which again aligns to transform", "start": 4323.96, "end": 4330.8}, {"text": "to targets and ensuring that the fleet that we use and contract out is the most", "start": 4330.8, "end": 4336.32}, {"text": "sustainable that we can get at any given time when we're considering um our our", "start": 4336.32, "end": 4344}, {"text": "potential contracts do we examine environmental", "start": 4344, "end": 4349.04}, {"text": "practices of organizations uh especially pertaining to the resulting landfills and how", "start": 4349.04, "end": 4356.76}, {"text": "they're managed through the chair to committee uh counselor we look at we do a", 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particular in poor neighborhoods where local", "start": 4504.44, "end": 4509.96}, {"text": "residents who are living in poverty are uh have really lost their quality of", "start": 4509.96, "end": 4515.679}, {"text": "life and have difficulties and in our procurement", "start": 4515.679, "end": 4520.84}, {"text": "process do we consider at large the behavior of large organizations for", "start": 4520.84, "end": 4527.28}, {"text": "example you know would we wouldn't want to procure computers where we know uh", "start": 4527.28, "end": 4532.88}, {"text": "child slavery is being uh engaged just", "start": 4532.88, "end": 4539.56}, {"text": "wondering things that we counselor sorry you're straying away from the topic at", "start": 4539.56, "end": 4545.36}, {"text": "hand um well I'm just wondering how we assess when we are choosing uh our", "start": 4545.36, "end": 4551.08}, {"text": "partner organizations if we look at the large uh you know their their policies", "start": 4551.08, "end": 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{"text": "Genevie uh I'm going to through the chair I'm going to say I apologize I missed the question um I can tell you", "start": 4609.12, "end": 4615.48}, {"text": "that again uh I think as we've previously discussed in an RFQ we only do evaluate from a compliance", "start": 4615.48, "end": 4621.52}, {"text": "perspective there's no Above and Beyond in an RFP we can evaluate more from the social side and the sustainable side on", "start": 4621.52, "end": 4628.52}, {"text": "what their practices are um and how they deliver their services so that is", "start": 4628.52, "end": 4634.4}, {"text": "something that can be encompassed but again I apologize I might have missed the meat of the question no that's fine", "start": 4634.4, "end": 4639.96}, {"text": "thank you those are all my questions", "start": 4639.96, "end": 4644.52}, {"text": "yep sorry and can I'm just going to check councelor Burnside you're good okay councelor holiday sorry did", "start": 4651.8, "end": 4657.4}, {"text": "councelor croissan you have questions well councelor holiday wants a second", "start": 4657.4, "end": 4663.48}, {"text": "round but you haven't had your first round yet so go", "start": 4663.48, "end": 4668.52}, {"text": "ahead is your microphone on here it is I'm on now", "start": 4668.679, "end": 4675.719}, {"text": "uh no I just wanted to clarify what exactly what we're approving here from what I understand", "start": 4675.719, "end": 4681.28}, {"text": "this this is a five-year agreement commencing on August 3rd 2026 so um we", "start": 4681.28, "end": 4688.44}, {"text": "need all this lead time I believe I heard the answer when the depent came up could you clarify why why we need U", "start": 4688.44, "end": 4695.719}, {"text": "about a year and a half of lead time uh through the chair to the", "start": 4695.719, "end": 4701.04}, {"text": "counselor uh yes we do need uh quite a bit of lead time in order to order the", "start": 4701.04, "end": 4707.04}, {"text": "uh the trucks 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"issues and and we need to collect additional material we we have that as a contingency in that case when we're", "start": 5020.92, "end": 5027.199}, {"text": "looking at our districts three and districts four we have internal staff we can redeploy to do that work in in those", "start": 5027.199, "end": 5032.6}, {"text": "areas again back to what's before Us and how it got here is it fair to say the RFQ is rather straightforward uh you", "start": 5032.6, "end": 5041.32}, {"text": "give a map or you specify an area for biders to look at they got to figure out", "start": 5041.32, "end": 5046.88}, {"text": "all the streets on it U do you not give them the number of bins even that exist", "start": 5046.88, "end": 5052.159}, {"text": "in that area so they know all the collection points through the the chair I believe we give um a bin numbers and", "start": 5052.159, "end": 5058.96}, {"text": "and house counts Etc to to work into estimates but as you did uh allude to it", "start": 5058.96, 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"infrastructure environment and we would like included feasibility of a managed competition for the next procurement of", "start": 5277, "end": 5284.159}, {"text": "waste collection a procurement strategy that uh considers supplier performance", "start": 5284.159, "end": 5290.8}, {"text": "and sustainability practices in alignment with transform to the city", "start": 5290.8, "end": 5296.04}, {"text": "City's sustainability objectives including reaching Net Zero by 2040 and", "start": 5296.04, "end": 5301.52}, {"text": "evaluation criteria uh that can be included uh regarding sustainable", "start": 5301.52, "end": 5307.239}, {"text": "practices Regulatory Compliance of proponents as well a critical path with", "start": 5307.239, "end": 5313.199}, {"text": "the procurement timeline uh especially in light of the necessary infrastructure", "start": 5313.199, "end": 5319.28}, {"text": "procurement of trucks and truck storage capacity that is necessary so we have", "start": 5319.28, "end": 5325.48}, {"text": "here um a contract that we have to move forward with we've heard about the", "start": 5325.48, "end": 5331.199}, {"text": "trucks that are waiting to be procured and the timeline and capacity that that", "start": 5331.199, "end": 5336.32}, {"text": "will impact um but we also understand that when we first privatized waste uh", "start": 5336.32, "end": 5344.199}, {"text": "half of the city's Waste Management there was a savings to the city which is", "start": 5344.199, "end": 5349.32}, {"text": "no longer the case and the wage differential uh for city workers are", "start": 5349.32, "end": 5356.88}, {"text": "paid 3124 per hour gfl staff are paid", "start": 5356.88, "end": 5362.239}, {"text": "2391 per hour and that uh does not include fringe benefits for for either so we're", "start": 5362.239, "end": 5370.04}, {"text": "comparing Apples to Apples here so then the question is what is the benefit", "start": 5370.04, "end": 5376.159}, {"text": "sorry councelor Chang just a moment I have a point of order from councelor holiday councel holiday point of order", "start": 5376.159, "end": 5382}, {"text": "Mr chair I'd like to raise a point of order um this is an award of contract", "start": 5382, "end": 5387.4}, {"text": "and the motion speaks to something a little different and I think this may be", "start": 5387.4, "end": 5394.04}, {"text": "out of order District could you rule on that yep so so my understanding of this", "start": 5394.04, "end": 5399.4}, {"text": "the the way that the motion is worded and that this is Al ultimately going to", "start": 5399.4, "end": 5404.84}, {"text": "council for approval because the way the motion is worded uh recommending that", "start": 5404.84, "end": 5410.76}, {"text": "Council look at this that it's legitimately before", "start": 5410.76, "end": 5416.04}, {"text": "us okay all right Council changen if you want to continue", "start": 5419.84, "end": 5425.08}, {"text": "thank you so I just think it's really important that we look at the big", "start": 5425.08, "end": 5430.119}, {"text": "picture when we're getting into Partnerships and you know I know that", "start": 5430.119, "end": 5435.239}, {"text": "the city is going to consider bringing it back in house uh but either way", "start": 5435.239, "end": 5440.96}, {"text": "whether we want to consider other uh Partners or bringing it back that", "start": 5440.96, "end": 5447.96}, {"text": "critical path towards building the infrastructure necessary it can't be created overnight so", "start": 5447.96, "end": 5454.48}, {"text": "no matter what the timeline uh because if we don't do it with sufficient time", "start": 5454.48, "end": 5459.679}, {"text": "we will reach the end of this fiveyear contract and we will be in the same", "start": 5459.679, "end": 5466}, {"text": "situation we won't be able to consider other options because the infrastructure", "start": 5466, "end": 5471.8}, {"text": "won't be there to transition to something else so this motion is just", "start": 5471.8, "end": 5477.48}, {"text": "mapping out a critical path and considering a wider lens of how we we", "start": 5477.48, "end": 5484.4}, {"text": "procure our Waste Management partners and I think the ethical and", "start": 5484.4, "end": 5489.719}, {"text": "environmental practices of an organization are important so yes we want really good service delivery uh in", "start": 5489.719, "end": 5497.8}, {"text": "our city and we have great metrics for that but the wider lens of how a company", "start": 5497.8, "end": 5504.44}, {"text": "is doing in terms of Environmental Compliance because our waste does leave our city uh and its impact uh is not", "start": 5504.44, "end": 5513.44}, {"text": "just torontonian so I think that we just have to have a a a the responsibility to", "start": 5513.44, "end": 5521.6}, {"text": "look at that bigger picture and so this motion is just adding to work that's", "start": 5521.6, "end": 5528.96}, {"text": "already uh being done uh that will go to infrastructure and environment to plan", "start": 5528.96, "end": 5535}, {"text": "our next pathway for how we may consider moving forward with regard to waste", "start": 5535, "end": 5541.159}, {"text": "management thank you thank you thank you councelor Chang uh councelor holiday to", "start": 5541.159, "end": 5547.04}, {"text": "speak uh thank you chair I uh will move the recommendations of the original", "start": 5547.04, "end": 5554.119}, {"text": "report I think that's quite necessary in order to process this item um I am a", "start": 5554.119, "end": 5561.199}, {"text": "little surprised at councelor Chang's motion uh being here and now and I", "start": 5561.199, "end": 5566.6}, {"text": "understand lots of conversations happen at different points uh but this particular report before us is uh an", "start": 5566.6, "end": 5575.239}, {"text": "award of contract following a procurement process and it's here before us um and we had a chance to ask", 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{"text": "part of the city that this applies to thank you chair thank you councelor holiday uh other speakers on this item", "start": 5625.36, "end": 5633.92}, {"text": "sorry Council manes thank you Mr chair I also uh agree", "start": 5633.92, "end": 5641.52}, {"text": "with uh counselor uh holiday I'll be supporting the uh original recommendations I also do believe that", "start": 5641.52, "end": 5648.6}, {"text": "councelor Chang's motion should have been addressed differently or spoken", "start": 5648.6, "end": 5654.28}, {"text": "with the Departments to um come to their reports uh when they're going to be um", "start": 5654.28, "end": 5660.08}, {"text": "coming to our committee or to the infrastructure committee and it the not need to come today in for this uh item", "start": 5660.08, "end": 5667.08}, {"text": "so I'll be voting against um councelor Chang's item", "start": 5667.08, "end": 5672.4}, {"text": "motion okay thank you councelor Manas other speakers on this", "start": 5672.4, "end": 5678.52}, {"text": "item saying none and I have a motion I'm moving on behalf of Deputy Mayor holiday", "start": 5679.84, "end": 5684.96}, {"text": "or sorry Deputy Mayor melie my", "start": 5684.96, "end": 5689.32}, {"text": "apologies the city council direct the general manager Solid Waste Management Services to see Council approval prior", "start": 5690.96, "end": 5697.48}, {"text": "to exercising the additional two separate one-year term extensions for the district to contract and with gfl", "start": 5697.48, "end": 5703.84}, {"text": "environmental Incorporated award pursuant to the request for quotation", "start": 5703.84, "end": 5709.8}, {"text": "document 455 392 8310 that would extend the term beyond", "start": 5709.8, "end": 5715.52}, {"text": "the initial 5-year period", "start": 5715.52, "end": 5719.56}, {"text": "okay other speakers on this item seeing", "start": 5727.96, "end": 5734.239}, {"text": "none Changs first M on behalf of Deputy Mayor", "start": 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5821.28, "end": 5826.4}, {"text": "yes yes all in favor of the item as amended opposed saying none that carries", "start": 5826.48, "end": 5834.679}, {"text": "thank you our next item is uh gg1 1834 2022 to 2023 annual human rights uh", "start": 5834.679, "end": 5843.6}, {"text": "office report we have two registered speakers the first one is Naz yali of QP", "start": 5843.6, "end": 5850.28}, {"text": "Local", "start": 5850.28, "end": 5852.638}, {"text": "79 good morning you have five minutes whenever you're ready good morning can", "start": 5860.48, "end": 5866.639}, {"text": "you thank you councelor anley and committee members for having me speak to you this morning my name is Naz ad alahi", "start": 5866.639, "end": 5873.599}, {"text": "president of QP Local 79 where we represent 30,000 workers at the city of Toronto across major", "start": 5873.599, "end": 5879.199}, {"text": "divisions I'm here today to address the 2022 2023 annual human rights report", "start": 5879.199, "end": 5884.719}, {"text": "from the city's human rights office before I move on to the serious concerns raised by this report let me", "start": 5884.719, "end": 5891.679}, {"text": "first start by explaining how complaints can come to the hro from our members and from other unionized workers of the city", "start": 5891.679, "end": 5898.76}, {"text": "and how unionized workers can uh how unionized workers this can negatively impact them in", "start": 5898.76, "end": 5906.8}, {"text": "theory the hro was established as an unbiased service created to address human rights complaints as they pertain", "start": 5906.8, "end": 5913.52}, {"text": "to the city of Toronto we have been told numerous times that the hro attempts to address work work issues from a trauma", "start": 5913.52, "end": 5921.679}, {"text": "based perspective in practice however the office can be lacking and its processes", "start": 5921.679, "end": 5928.239}, {"text": "are flawed for years we have raised issues about the 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5977.04}, {"text": "is a failure of the city's responsibility to uphold human rights and workplace", "start": 5977.04, "end": 5983.119}, {"text": "fairness in the context of workers who have launched a complaint and no longer have access to that process due to", "start": 5983.119, "end": 5989.199}, {"text": "severe understaffing of the hro that is truly devastating at the beginning of this calendar year", "start": 5989.199, "end": 5996.199}, {"text": "when we met I started when we met with the city's people and Equity division", "start": 5996.199, "end": 6001.36}, {"text": "for a routine meeting in this meeting it was we were provided insight into a specialized", "start": 6001.36, "end": 6008.52}, {"text": "internal Investigation Unit also known as the iiu we've been seeking clarity about", "start": 6008.52, "end": 6014.36}, {"text": "this investigation unit ever since over the course of the past year we learned that the IU which exists only to", "start": 6014.36, "end": 6021.28}, {"text": "investigate City of Toronto staff employs former police officers officers", "start": 6021.28, "end": 6026.96}, {"text": "who during their time with the Toronto police were in charge of investigating for the SIU we have heard from our members that", "start": 6026.96, "end": 6033.48}, {"text": "this unit often employs techniques that we know would be used in a police St interrogation throwing papers banging on", "start": 6033.48, "end": 6040.92}, {"text": "tables and asking repetitive and sometimes aggressive questions you can imagine just how", "start": 6040.92, "end": 6048.159}, {"text": "concerning it is to learn that the hro has been unable to tackle any new investigation", "start": 6048.159, "end": 6053.96}, {"text": "and that instead the city's people and Equity team is relying on divisions and on potential internal or external", "start": 6053.96, "end": 6060.56}, {"text": "investigators like the IU to resolve human rights complaints in fact between March and", "start": 6060.56, "end": 6067.48}, {"text": "April of this year the people in equity team at the city has filled three separate vacancies for investigators in", "start": 6067.48, "end": 6073.199}, {"text": "the IU which begs the question if the hro only has seven staff and has been", "start": 6073.199, "end": 6080}, {"text": "unable to take on new investigations why was the decision made to invest more money in a certain type of investigator", "start": 6080, "end": 6086.36}, {"text": "with the IU this report is deeply concerning to Local", "start": 6086.36, "end": 6091.48}, {"text": "79 any proposed changes must be developed in consultation with workers", "start": 6091.48, "end": 6096.599}, {"text": "and their unions to ensure they're effective and actually trauma informed this includes Local 79 and 416", "start": 6096.599, "end": 6105.36}, {"text": "the current risks identified in the report reflect a broken system that needs to prioritize Equity", "start": 6105.36, "end": 6112.56}, {"text": "accountability and the well-being of employees above all else I also want to reiterate that", "start": 6112.56, "end": 6119.04}, {"text": "there is an increased need for accountability and transparency for the people in equity team at the city in the", "start": 6119.04, "end": 6125.8}, {"text": "way that the hro is managed thank you and we're happy to take", "start": 6125.8, "end": 6131.8}, {"text": "questions thank you uh Miss yudal are there any questions of the", "start": 6138.4, "end": 6144.8}, {"text": "speaker councelor baride thank you um through you so you're talking about this", "start": 6144.8, "end": 6151.199}, {"text": "investigative team of former SIU officers yeah um and you mentioned their", "start": 6151.199, "end": 6157.84}, {"text": "techniques are you alleging that they've done something wrong and um you're that's the first", "start": 6157.84, "end": 6165.56}, {"text": "question second question is you mentioned those are their known techniques or those that are you 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thank you very much our next deput is", "start": 6613.639, "end": 6620}, {"text": "Derek Moran", "start": 6620, "end": 6623.32}, {"text": "morning Derek morning councelor by me speaking at this meeting this shall not be deemed to be in any way my consent", "start": 6631.639, "end": 6637.76}, {"text": "Express or implied and doing so is fraud God bless His Majesty the king and Long Live his majesty the king let the record", "start": 6637.76, "end": 6643.52}, {"text": "show I do not consent to the warrantless searches taking place downstairs here at Toronto City Hall section 7 of The", "start": 6643.52, "end": 6649.56}, {"text": "Constitution Act 1982 states that every everyone has the right to life liberty", "start": 6649.56, "end": 6655.639}, {"text": "and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof in accept in", "start": 6655.639, "end": 6661.159}, {"text": "accordance with the principles of fundamental justice as section 28 of it states that technically not 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the crown is the shity for the person I have and that if I had ever led the court to believe in any way", "start": 6786.88, "end": 6793.44}, {"text": "that I had any shity in this matter then that would be a mistake and that I asked the court to please forgive me the", "start": 6793.44, "end": 6799.4}, {"text": "problem with this is is that after they both both stated that the person charged", "start": 6799.4, "end": 6804.56}, {"text": "was not present in the courtroom the justice of the peace went ahead and entered a guilty plea I just wanted to", "start": 6804.56, "end": 6810.92}, {"text": "make it clear today on the record that I Derek the man did not plead guilty nor did I ever identify myself as the person", "start": 6810.92, "end": 6818.119}, {"text": "and that I had started the matter off by saying let the record show that I'm here by special appearance under protest as I", "start": 6818.119, "end": 6823.96}, {"text": "object to the jurisdiction and I do not consent to being at 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three of the universal Declaration of Human Rights that", "start": 6868.8, "end": 6874.599}, {"text": "everyone has the right to life liberty and security the person uh in R versus hes 1949 the BC court of appeal", "start": 6874.599, "end": 6883}, {"text": "mentioned that chief justice kooch advising the King on behalf of the judges said so the king cannot arrest", "start": 6883, "end": 6890.44}, {"text": "any man because as um the Superior Court said in Halton Hills versus carak uh", "start": 6890.44, "end": 6898.639}, {"text": "that ultimately sovereignty remains in the people so the government had to create this legal fiction that really", "start": 6898.639, "end": 6904.56}, {"text": "only exists on paper it's a all capital letter name that you have councelor Angley remember your grade school", "start": 6904.56, "end": 6909.8}, {"text": "teacher never taught you to spell your name in all capital letters and um I just want to point out a tweet from uh", "start": 6909.8, "end": 6916.719}, {"text": "Jennifer pagliero who cited former city manager Chris Murray and Chris Murray", "start": 6916.719, "end": 6921.76}, {"text": "had said that senior members of the public service should expect to see their names in print and to be held to", "start": 6921.76, "end": 6931.119}, {"text": "account and can you encourage councelor Burnside to run for mayor councelor ery sure thank you thank you Derek much", "start": 6931.119, "end": 6939.239}, {"text": "appreciated questions to the depent councel bernside you have questions to the", "start": 6939.239, "end": 6944.28}, {"text": "deput no okay thank thank you Derek uh questions of staff on this", "start": 6944.28, "end": 6951.239}, {"text": "item no questions to staff councelor", "start": 6951.239, "end": 6956.4}, {"text": "Chang thank you um I wonder if staff could address some of the concerns raised by the deput with regard to lack", "start": 6956.4, "end": 6964.88}, {"text": "of timely resolution as well as the approach 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"divisions to be able to conduct investigations when we cannot the human rights office gives advisory services", "start": 7016.84, "end": 7024.04}, {"text": "and support so everything that's come to our office is addressed in accordance with", "start": 7024.04, "end": 7030.28}, {"text": "the policy procedures the legislative requirements of us so under the occupational health and safety act under", "start": 7030.28, "end": 7035.52}, {"text": "the Human Rights Code and we ensure that those processes are legally sound", "start": 7035.52, "end": 7041.639}, {"text": "thank you and just wondering how does this uh the complaints filed here how", "start": 7044.079, "end": 7051.119}, {"text": "does it intersect with um complaints follow to the Human Rights", "start": 7051.119, "end": 7056.84}, {"text": "Commission thank you for asking that clarifying question so their complaints to the human rights office are internal", "start": 7056.84, "end": 7065.119}, {"text": "um alternative dispute 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7235.56}, {"text": "councelor Chang other questions of staff on this item councelor", "start": 7235.56, "end": 7241.719}, {"text": "holiday thank you uh Mr chair just a little bit more about the process", "start": 7241.719, "end": 7247.079}, {"text": "so from the broadest perspective uh all of the", "start": 7247.079, "end": 7252.56}, {"text": "contacts with the human rights office are I guess are deemed", "start": 7252.56, "end": 7258.04}, {"text": "inquiries but I guess do I understand correctly a portion of them would", "start": 7258.04, "end": 7263.4}, {"text": "continue to become investigations is that is that true is that fair that's absolutely correct so", "start": 7263.4, "end": 7270.679}, {"text": "inquiries or any contact to our office and from there we distinguish between", "start": 7270.679, "end": 7276.719}, {"text": "complaints related and non-c complaints related and of the complaints related a very small portion would actually be", "start": 7276.719, "end": 7283.76}, 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or request the IU to take it on okay and then all of this is a subset", "start": 7511.88, "end": 7518.079}, {"text": "of the broader field of complaints which could also proceed through the the grievance process it could go to the", "start": 7518.079, "end": 7524.679}, {"text": "ministry or it could go to Human Rights Ontario yes through the speaker or", "start": 7524.679, "end": 7531.159}, {"text": "through the chair rather we don't have control over where an employee brings their complaint if they choose to file a grievance or choose to file a a human", "start": 7531.159, "end": 7537.92}, {"text": "rights tribunal complaint obviously the employer cannot stop them okay uh thank", "start": 7537.92, "end": 7543.32}, {"text": "you very much thank you councelor holiday other questions on this item councelor croissan", "start": 7543.32, "end": 7551.8}, {"text": "uh thank you I I had to step away just for a couple of moments and I apologize if this was already addressed uh so", "start": 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absolutely that's I'm just thinking about that now I believe that's all the questions", "start": 7821.52, "end": 7827.559}, {"text": "of staff on this item speakers somebody like to move the", "start": 7827.559, "end": 7834.04}, {"text": "recommendation move by councelor changen all in favor that carries our next item", "start": 7834.04, "end": 7839.239}, {"text": "is uh gg1 18.36%", "start": 7839.239, "end": 7843.36}, {"text": "morning sir you have five minutes whenever you're ready thank you um just give me one", "start": 7858.559, "end": 7864.36}, {"text": "second here uh my name is Keith fearing I'm first vice president QP Local 79 um", "start": 7864.36, "end": 7871.84}, {"text": "I have a history with the local in being involved heavily involved in health and safety throughout the", "start": 7871.84, "end": 7878.239}, {"text": "city uh and basically across all divisions I've been in working in health", "start": 7878.239, "end": 7883.32}, {"text": "and safety representing workers 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different issue in the course of this", "start": 7930.4, "end": 7936.679}, {"text": "work our members Local 79 members have been exposed to lead in their work", "start": 7936.679, "end": 7945.32}, {"text": "Birmingham and um what's the other address uh Les Mill Road are police", "start": 7945.32, "end": 7951}, {"text": "facilities that have shooting ranges our workers have been going into", "start": 7951, "end": 7956.159}, {"text": "these work locations unprotected not aware of their rights around designated substances and exposed", "start": 7956.159, "end": 7964.119}, {"text": "to lead there's been other members of other locals that have also been exposed and quite heavily but I am only here to", "start": 7964.119, "end": 7971.159}, {"text": "speak to 79 and and the responsibilities of safety around this um", "start": 7971.159, "end": 7977.559}, {"text": "employer we have eight or 10 forgive me on the numbers folks who have elevated blood levels lead in their blood", "start": 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"educated on that they were not provided any type of PPE to go in and take and", "start": 8373.679, "end": 8380.719}, {"text": "have the the leads stop being absorbed by them either through ventilations", "start": 8380.719, "end": 8385.76}, {"text": "through breathing or through skin absorption okay right they were pling clothes basically and going in and doing", "start": 8385.76, "end": 8393.399}, {"text": "this work and taking that from workspace to workspace through their vehicle to home so there the difference is is that", "start": 8393.399, "end": 8402.24}, {"text": "um one side was protected one side wasn't and so what's of folks whose job", "start": 8402.24, "end": 8407.68}, {"text": "it would be in to be in that area what's the PPE that they need in in my opinion", "start": 8407.68, "end": 8413.8}, {"text": "without being an absolute professional on it they should be getting masks they should be getting goggles they should be", "start": 8413.8, "end": 8419.92}, {"text": "potentially getting hazmat suit and then slip um booty I don't know what you call them booty covers I'll call them", "start": 8419.92, "end": 8426.56}, {"text": "something to slip over your shoes and and how often do they visit the facilities or are they there every day I", "start": 8426.56, "end": 8431.64}, {"text": "would expect that there's a monthly inspection fire extinguishers have that requirement okay thank you that's", "start": 8431.64, "end": 8439.24}, {"text": "helpful okay uh thank you other question councelor Burnside yeah thanks for you so", "start": 8439.24, "end": 8447.96}, {"text": "um how do you know how long they're in these St stations while they do these inspections do you know how long they're", "start": 8447.96, "end": 8453.319}, {"text": "there for how the in how how long the Inn out is no I I cannot Supply that information but I would expect that you", "start": 8453.319, "end": 8459.92}, {"text": "have to go in there find the equipment do your check it's got 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we started there", "start": 8549.399, "end": 8554.88}, {"text": "was direction to our employees to all our sorry our members to get their blood tested and that's where we found out the", "start": 8554.88, "end": 8562.28}, {"text": "results um are so so okay so so that's helpful", "start": 8562.28, "end": 8567.88}, {"text": "so so since April 2024 I assume they've been supplied proper equipment or", "start": 8567.88, "end": 8573.24}, {"text": "they're not going in anymore um I don't believe they stopped going in there's a requirement to test your fire uh", "start": 8573.24, "end": 8579.479}, {"text": "equipment right so um so there was there was always requests to keep going in no", "start": 8579.479, "end": 8586.88}, {"text": "but get I'm getting there then but there was always the struggle to get the PPE", "start": 8586.88, "end": 8592.2}, {"text": "while we were on our town hall one of our members was instructed to go to Birmingham and inspect and there was", "start": 8592.2, "end": 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yeah okay um last", "start": 8642.6, "end": 8649.319}, {"text": "question is what do you what would you like to see because I'm always trying to understand like now that the I would have the two I would assume it's twofold", "start": 8649.319, "end": 8656.56}, {"text": "one the proper equipment and that's being addressed to what would you now like us to", "start": 8656.56, "end": 8662.24}, {"text": "do in general and I've had conversations with various counselors around health and safety at the city the city manager", "start": 8662.24, "end": 8669.319}, {"text": "signs off on City policy and it's left to divisions to implement the", "start": 8669.319, "end": 8674.96}, {"text": "policy with the assistance of corporate health and safety what we're consistently finding", "start": 8674.96, "end": 8680.8}, {"text": "across the city don't forget how long I've been with the health and safety organization at Local 79 is that", "start": 8680.8, "end": 8687.279}, {"text": "divisions do their thing with the assistance of corporate there is no one individual that anyone", "start": 8687.279, "end": 8694.2}, {"text": "has to answer to internally to say are you doing what you're supposed to do any", "start": 8694.2, "end": 8699.8}, {"text": "health and safety activist says it's prevention you don't go at this after", "start": 8699.8, "end": 8706.16}, {"text": "the fact I want to see prevention City not only in this specific item because I can", "start": 8706.16, "end": 8714.04}, {"text": "I I could sit here all day and talk things about health and safety I'm not going to I would like to see that on a go", "start": 8714.04, "end": 8721.319}, {"text": "forward basis that there is actual responsibility around this issue the fact that it this was known in November", "start": 8721.319, "end": 8727.68}, {"text": "and there was still debate as to whether they're the getting the proper PPE in", "start": 8727.68, "end": 8732.92}, {"text": "these spaces is problematic that shows that there's no you know there's no", "start": 8732.92, "end": 8740.279}, {"text": "being proactive around the health and safety approach thanks that's what I want to see okay thank you thank you", "start": 8740.279, "end": 8746.16}, {"text": "thank you councelor Burnside other questions the depent", "start": 8746.16, "end": 8751.199}, {"text": "seeing none um I just want to ask how many uh grievances have your members", "start": 8751.56, "end": 8756.96}, {"text": "filed uh on this issue because I can't give you on this issue we have filed a", "start": 8756.96, "end": 8763.04}, {"text": "policy grievance typically policy grievances go first and and then the individual grievances are filed after", "start": 8763.04, "end": 8770.68}, {"text": "that because the policy has to resolve um so right now we are at one which we consider a large type not an", "start": 8770.68, "end": 8778.359}, {"text": "important the most important grievance okay and how long does that take to", "start": 8778.359, 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"make a presentation um so I'm lawyer from Southerland law representing donon Ontario we're here to address the", "start": 8948.359, "end": 8954.52}, {"text": "four-month temporary suspension Jon opposes the suspension the CPO has", "start": 8954.52, "end": 8960.319}, {"text": "issued a six-month temporary suspension which is set to end December of this year on December 7th and the maximum", "start": 8960.319, "end": 8967}, {"text": "allowed under the procedure it's unfair to impose additional suspensions on Daron who has already faced irreparable", "start": 8967, "end": 8974.2}, {"text": "harm moreover there's no clear end to the investigation despite the CPO statement on October 9th that it was", "start": 8974.2, "end": 8980.12}, {"text": "complete No Authority has been provided for conducting this process in a way that contradicts the policies and", "start": 8980.12, "end": 8986.52}, {"text": "procedures furthermore it is ironic that Patrick moso the executive director of", "start": 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{"text": "extensive harm to their reputation including impacting their contract with the Toronto District School Board and", "start": 9153.56, "end": 9160.319}, {"text": "harming their business relationship with their own bank Jon has once again become the topic of discussion as the Toronto", "start": 9160.319, "end": 9166.439}, {"text": "Star has released a story about the suspension in yesterday's paper the article reveals that the CPO emailed the", "start": 9166.439, "end": 9172.64}, {"text": "Toronto Star in response to their request for comment it is also worth noting that dur has always maintained it", "start": 9172.64, "end": 9179.479}, {"text": "would write a check for the overbill amounts although for some reason the city has refused to accept that the", "start": 9179.479, "end": 9186.12}, {"text": "procedures are clear the goal of suspension is not meant for the purpose of punishing A supplier but rather", "start": 9186.12, "end": 9191.439}, {"text": "determined on a balanced 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of audit we note that this report was not produced until", "start": 9233.64, "end": 9238.84}, {"text": "last week Friday while after business hours in consideration of the irreparable harm faced by donon any", "start": 9238.84, "end": 9245.08}, {"text": "further suspension will operate more as punishment to donon as a company the individual employees and their families", "start": 9245.08, "end": 9250.96}, {"text": "who had no involvement with the overbilling the survival of this company is at stake as well as the jobs of", "start": 9250.96, "end": 9256.56}, {"text": "hundreds of employees good uh good morning Mr chairman or good", "start": 9256.56, "end": 9263.56}, {"text": "afternoon Mr chairman and counselors um the kitty the this committee should consider duron's response the response", "start": 9263.56, "end": 9270.439}, {"text": "does not support the notion that there is any risk to the city upon discovery of the discrepancies raised by arcadas", "start": 9270.439, "end": 9276.84}, {"text": "Duron took immediate action to investigate and resolve issues people were fired and new policies were", "start": 9276.84, "end": 9283.08}, {"text": "implemented to further prevent this from happening moving forward forward Duron shared all of this information and", "start": 9283.08, "end": 9289.08}, {"text": "details with the investigation first with arcadis and then with KPMG the third party Auditor in making the", "start": 9289.08, "end": 9295.6}, {"text": "decision based on a balanced review the committee should also consider the total price of both projects against the", "start": 9295.6, "end": 9301.88}, {"text": "amount that was overbuilt the overbuilt amount is less than 1% the scope and duration of any", "start": 9301.88, "end": 9308.68}, {"text": "punishment should be consistent with what is necessary to ensure that the city's commercial interests are adequately protected we submit that the", "start": 9308.68, "end": 9316.2}, {"text": "harm to Duron far 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position on recommending a final penalty it has found other ways to", "start": 9357.12, "end": 9363.84}, {"text": "punish Duron more specifically on November 12 2024 Duron was informed that", "start": 9363.84, "end": 9368.88}, {"text": "$1 million would be withheld from Duron on funds owed through other projects until such time as the investigation is", "start": 9368.88, "end": 9375.8}, {"text": "complete without any justification or substantiation for that $1 million", "start": 9375.8, "end": 9380.88}, {"text": "withholding of funds C the city would be well aware that if Duron takes any steps to object or commence any proceedings", "start": 9380.88, "end": 9387.359}, {"text": "related to that decision then it would disqualify Duron from any bidding on future projects which has the same", "start": 9387.359, "end": 9393.72}, {"text": "effect as a temporary suspension while this investigation remains ongoing by agreeing to suspend Duron", "start": 9393.72, "end": 9400.76}, {"text": "here 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