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{"text": "housing sustainability and investment road map the this is for today's meeting uh for the following individuals Carl", "start": 2155.319, "end": 2162.2}, {"text": "Andress Renee wlar uh Yulan Juan Lisa burough Victoria bomberry Alan Whittle", "start": 2162.2, "end": 2169.88}, {"text": "Patrick MC honey uh David horwood um I'm going to go through all", "start": 2169.88, "end": 2177.72}, {"text": "the rest as well 6.2 6.3 we're going to approve them all together let's do that uh Michael", "start": 2177.72, "end": 2186.359}, {"text": "henko is uh this is for a future meeting regarding solar and wind", "start": 2186.359, "end": 2191.52}, {"text": "electrical um item 6.3 is Brian sibi this is for from Hamilton East Kanas", "start": 2191.52, "end": 2198.76}, {"text": "this is for item 10.2 and 10.3 for today's meeting and item 6.4 Shan Barack", "start": 2198.76, "end": 2206.24}, {"text": "respecting item 11.3 ensuring Public Safety and the preservation of Hamilton's uh built 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an evaluation criteria for those facilities in January", "start": 2296.2, "end": 2303.4}, {"text": "and as part of that uh process we will be know seeking whether a proposal meets", "start": 2303.4, "end": 2308.92}, {"text": "that criteria then staff be authorized to provide a letter of support or if they don't meet that criteria then it would be up to committee and Council to", "start": 2308.92, "end": 2315.04}, {"text": "make a determination on that matter thank you thank you very much thanks a couple of follow questions is this time", "start": 2315.04, "end": 2321.76}, {"text": "sensitive so that it can't wait for that report uh through you Mr chairman my understanding is no at this point in", "start": 2321.76, "end": 2327.599}, {"text": "time IO has not formalized the call for proposals I believe it was going to come", "start": 2327.599, "end": 2333.119}, {"text": "out in December but they've had some uh originally was going to be October but now it's been being deferred to 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"report that's right I want them to come when the staff report is actually done so I'm going to suggest that we do", "start": 2413.079, "end": 2422.24}, {"text": "6.1 uh 6. we'll do all these separately and we'll have a separate vote on on", "start": 2422.24, "end": 2428.119}, {"text": "that one on 6.2 and at that time we can set direction that their delegation is approved for a future meeting", "start": 2428.119, "end": 2436.04}, {"text": "pending the staff report it could be at that meeting when that staff report comes back can we do that so through the", "start": 2436.04, "end": 2443.48}, {"text": "deputy mayor we can approve them all together and with 6.2 being approved for", "start": 2443.48, "end": 2448.96}, {"text": "the future meeting when the staff report comes back and then we can just do it as one one approval councilor you still", "start": 2448.96, "end": 2455.4}, {"text": "have the for does that that sounds Lov thank you everyone okay okay that works yeah okay so we're all 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trail I believe this is in", "start": 2521.44, "end": 2526.56}, {"text": "person Mr Selman is", "start": 2526.56, "end": 2530.4}, {"text": "present welcome and when you're ready you can uh go ahead good morning Council", "start": 2537.44, "end": 2543}, {"text": "Mayors mayor and members of the public my name is Andrew Selman I'm here today to address the ongoing issue of", "start": 2543, "end": 2549.559}, {"text": "encampments across our city with a particular focus on the Delta and Gage", "start": 2549.559, "end": 2554.88}, {"text": "Park I understand the challenging position you are in and I do not question your commitment or", "start": 2554.88, "end": 2561.44}, {"text": "empathy we're all shaped by our own lived experiences mine is as a father", "start": 2561.44, "end": 2567.04}, {"text": "and as a husband who lives just about 250 meters from the Delta encampment now I want to set the the", "start": 2567.04, "end": 2573.76}, {"text": "record straight I empathize with those that are living unhoused the lack of shelter space is of no fault of their", "start": 2573.76, "end": 2579.319}, {"text": "own and in my opinion a systemic failure to the Canadian people during my last visit to this", "start": 2579.319, "end": 2585.72}, {"text": "chamber I highlighted severe public safety concerns associated with the Delta", "start": 2585.72, "end": 2591}, {"text": "encampment now as I noted I'm about 250 M from the Delta encampment that encampment is also about 250 M from a k", "start": 2591, "end": 2598}, {"text": "to8 grade school kids walk past it now I've sent numerous emails", "start": 2598, "end": 2603.119}, {"text": "documenting what I see to this Council I know you've certainly seen that um so I won't reiterate every single detail", "start": 2603.119, "end": 2609.2}, {"text": "today but for clarity this encampment has become a hot spot for drug use sales", "start": 2609.2, "end": 2615.44}, {"text": "trafficking of stolen goods as well as uncontrolled fires on a regular basis in the past few weeks alone", "start": 2615.44, "end": 2622.44}, {"text": "multiple weapons have been recovered from this location including a hird which is a spear on one end and a bladed", "start": 2622.44, "end": 2629.2}, {"text": "instrument on the other end as well as a shotgun now I shared a photo of that shotgun with Council here of course on", "start": 2629.2, "end": 2635.04}, {"text": "Sunday morning uh November 30 at 8:26 a.m. um that was featured on the front", "start": 2635.04, "end": 2640.28}, {"text": "page of the Hamilton Spectator online edition again that's 250 M from a school in a shotguns being recovered there so", "start": 2640.28, "end": 2647}, {"text": "just picture that location to your right is the Delta or rather gagee Park the swing set that I push my kids on on a", "start": 2647, "end": 2653.44}, {"text": "daily basis nearly on the other side is the Memorial School that I can see from the Delta where my kid goes to school a", "start": 2653.44, "end": 2659.96}, {"text": "shotgun was picked up there this is not merely an inconvenience it is a public health and", "start": 2659.96, "end": 2666.2}, {"text": "safety concern for myself my child and all of my", "start": 2666.2, "end": 2671.318}, {"text": "neighbors the drug use and fires have extended onto school grounds a widely", "start": 2671.4, "end": 2676.88}, {"text": "circulated video showed an individual smoking narcotics directly outside the kindergarten play area absolutely", "start": 2676.88, "end": 2685.119}, {"text": "unacceptable now I believe it was stated in Council that in 2024 we've spent", "start": 2685.119, "end": 2691.4}, {"text": "about 89 million of taxpayer funds in addition to 30 million from taxpayer", "start": 2691.4, "end": 2696.44}, {"text": "provided Reserve funds on the homelessness issue I don't know anyone who feels like", "start": 2696.44, "end": 2701.8}, {"text": "this has provided an improvement for their lives in and around their neighborhoods if the solution is more", "start": 2701.8, "end": 2707.2}, {"text": "beds more shelter space it must include barriers to drugs stolen goods the dealers all of these issues that make", "start": 2707.2, "end": 2713.96}, {"text": "our neighborhoods less safe I support the motion this afternoon", "start": 2713.96, "end": 2720.68}, {"text": "to audit how we're spending our funds I really do question if they're providing in what we need as a community", "start": 2720.68, "end": 2728.559}, {"text": "it's time for Clear actionable communication regarding all en encampments across the city detailed plans transparent costs to be shared in", "start": 2728.559, "end": 2736.04}, {"text": "aggressive timelines The Continuous delays and lack of decisive action has", "start": 2736.04, "end": 2741.559}, {"text": "led to frustration and growing erosion in public trust many residents feel their concerns have not been heard and", "start": 2741.559, "end": 2748.68}, {"text": "this failure to respond undermines public confidence in our institutions as I said I don't question", "start": 2748.68, "end": 2755.559}, {"text": "your commitment or empathy I do question if certain statements made by council members have further eroded that public", "start": 2755.559, "end": 2762.64}, {"text": "trust statements of defund the police for example made by councelor Nan and Miss Wilson have further eroded that", "start": 2762.64, "end": 2769.359}, {"text": "public trust in my opinion Mrs Wilson I apologize counselor Wilson I", "start": 2769.359, "end": 2775.64}, {"text": "apologize now we're at a Crossroads for those here that are ready to lead I urge you to stand up for us the tax paars for", "start": 2775.64, "end": 2781.88}, {"text": "those at home I urge you to make your voice heard and contact your counselor with what you'd like to see thank you", "start": 2781.88, "end": 2787.559}, {"text": "very much thank you are there any questions for the delegate seeing none thank you", "start": 2787.559, "end": 2795.599}, {"text": "for your presentation thank you uh second delegation for this", "start": 2795.599, "end": 2803.52}, {"text": "morning and sorry through the deputy mayor so this delegation was completely separate so if we could take separate", "start": 2803.52, "end": 2811.839}, {"text": "uh separate votes on 71 and 72 and then we'll do all of 73 together if that's all right and the vote is to receive the", "start": 2811.839, "end": 2819.64}, {"text": "delegation okay motion to receive the delegation moved by councelor mcmein seconded by councelor Jackson all in", "start": 2819.64, "end": 2827.48}, {"text": "favor for Mr Selman", "start": 2827.48, "end": 2833}, {"text": "G's thank you uh item 7.2 Andrea nton uh", "start": 2848.839, "end": 2854.28}, {"text": "from social Innovation Canada respecting the Hamilton Transit oriented affordable housing initiative and pilot", "start": 2854.28, "end": 2862.44}, {"text": "fund welcome Andrea", "start": 2864.559, "end": 2868.92}, {"text": "good morning whenever you're ready please go ahead thank you uh my name's Andrea nton social Innovation Canada I'm", "start": 2877.119, "end": 2884.88}, {"text": "here to tell you a little bit about the social Innovation lab we've been doing the transit oriented affordable housing", "start": 2884.88, "end": 2890.52}, {"text": "lab that was created as part of the H Hamilton sustainability and investment", "start": 2890.52, "end": 2896}, {"text": "road map to develop Innovative financing approaches and funding Pathways to", "start": 2896, "end": 2901.52}, {"text": "Transit oriented affordable housing the project was funded by the cmhc with", "start": 2901.52, "end": 2907.04}, {"text": "contributions with the Hamilton Community Foundation and was a collaboration between the cmhc Hamilton", "start": 2907.04, "end": 2913.319}, {"text": "Community Foundation Federation of Canadian municipalities housing evidence collaborative and the housing secretari", "start": 2913.319, "end": 2920.319}, 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the granting dollars are extended further and the investment dollars are actually able to flow because the", "start": 3104.52, "end": 3110.2}, {"text": "projects the numbers start to make sense it allows more resources to build", "start": 3110.2, "end": 3116.839}, {"text": "more units more quickly where they are needed most the housing crisis is being felt", "start": 3116.839, "end": 3124.04}, {"text": "across the country in every municipality Hamilton would be the first", "start": 3124.04, "end": 3129.48}, {"text": "city to actually start to address the transit oriented affordable housing needs it turns out that although we", "start": 3129.48, "end": 3135.04}, {"text": "desperately need need transit for so many reasons to connect people uh to deal with sustainability when we do", "start": 3135.04, "end": 3142.4}, {"text": "Transit development our affordable housing challenges get worse because of displacement and", "start": 3142.4, "end": 3148.24}, {"text": "gentrification and so what we've designed here with the housing secretary would actually interrupt that cycle", "start": 3148.24, "end": 3154.2}, {"text": "because it would provide the needed financing to the non-market providers to be able to create and preserve units", "start": 3154.2, "end": 3161.52}, {"text": "during that development alongside of it um we're currently uh looking for a fund", "start": 3161.52, "end": 3167.599}, {"text": "manager we we will continue the raise and complete it in the New Year and hope to launch the fund in the", "start": 3167.599, "end": 3175.28}, {"text": "spring at which point uh and the housing Secretariat has been alongside us the", "start": 3175.28, "end": 3181.16}, {"text": "whole way the model is ultimately scalable and", "start": 3181.16, "end": 3188.119}, {"text": "replicable and can grow to the needs of the city thank you thank you for your presentation I do", "start": 3188.119, "end": 3195.559}, {"text": "have one speaker councelor Wang if you have a question thank you for your presentation", "start": 3195.559, "end": 3201.92}, {"text": "I am super excited about this opportunity I'm interested in understanding a little bit more about", "start": 3201.92, "end": 3207.44}, {"text": "the fund you said something about crowd and so it immediately took me to is there an opportunity for crowdfunding um", "start": 3207.44, "end": 3214.68}, {"text": "as part of the mix in terms of how you're raising this fund for this fund it's not a retail investment it's", "start": 3214.68, "end": 3221.04}, {"text": "specifically designed to attract institutional investors but there are", "start": 3221.04, "end": 3226.16}, {"text": "other tools uh with that I have colleagues across the country and specifically tapestry who's currently", "start": 3226.16, "end": 3231.4}, {"text": "doing one project with indwell that's doing community housing bonds so what", "start": 3231.4, "end": 3236.599}, {"text": "that allows is actually for the housing providers two different places to go and a little bit more autonomy so they can", "start": 3236.599, "end": 3244.599}, {"text": "the crowdfunding works best on a u project by project basis and then this would work as an", "start": 3244.599, "end": 3251.72}, {"text": "actual fund that would then work alongside those dollars amazing I mean in the long run it could but at this", "start": 3251.72, "end": 3258.04}, {"text": "point it wouldn't have capacity yet okay my second question through you chair is", "start": 3258.04, "end": 3263.359}, {"text": "um as you're putting together this institutional fund um how will you be", "start": 3263.359, "end": 3269.48}, {"text": "leveraging other departments I think for example I know Su St Marie is doing the affordable Housing Home Ownership plan", "start": 3269.48, "end": 3276.799}, {"text": "which actually has a leverage of um esdc so Human Resources um the opportunity of", "start": 3276.799, "end": 3284}, {"text": "bringing in labor and there's an education component to it yeah does that factor into any of this any of your", "start": 3284, "end": 3291}, {"text": "programming at all there are so many amazing projects like that that Su Marie is one of the examples and um there's", "start": 3291, "end": 3297.44}, {"text": "another one in uh liscard and others in Manitoba this would really strictly be", "start": 3297.44, "end": 3303.559}, {"text": "an investment fund but it would work alongside those amazing and so it would", "start": 3303.559, "end": 3309.04}, {"text": "be very much in coordination I think that building piece is really at the project level Again by those developers", "start": 3309.04, "end": 3315.559}, {"text": "who are working and I think that um uh Mohawk was very interested in a program", "start": 3315.559, "end": 3321.799}, {"text": "like that with their mobile schools where they could actually and potentially even use some of the robotics that are building homes now", "start": 3321.799, "end": 3328.359}, {"text": "it's very and modular there's so many you know I just want to say Hamilton is", "start": 3328.359, "end": 3333.92}, {"text": "unique in your position and ability to actually solve this problem I've been", "start": 3333.92, "end": 3340.24}, {"text": "across the country you have one of the RO most robust non-market housing", "start": 3340.24, "end": 3346.24}, {"text": "sectors robust and organized it's a model for others across the country and your philanthropic commitment is so", "start": 3346.24, "end": 3353.4}, {"text": "sophisticated and your road map gives you a long term plan so I think uh you", "start": 3353.4, "end": 3359.68}, {"text": "should feel very and you know very excited about your you're quite far ahead of others I think thank you those", "start": 3359.68, "end": 3366.119}, {"text": "are all my questions thank you counselor um seeing no further speaker so thank you for your presentation Andrea uh need", "start": 3366.119, "end": 3374.24}, {"text": "a move in a second or to receive the delegation moved by councelor Alex Wilson seconded by councelor Wang all in", "start": 3374.24, "end": 3381.48}, {"text": "favor or opposed", "start": 3381.48, "end": 3385.119}, {"text": "and that carries thank you uh next is delegation speaking to item 8.1 which is", "start": 3395.319, "end": 3403.559}, {"text": "the housing sustainability investment road map uh a note to committee that we will", "start": 3403.559, "end": 3409.2}, {"text": "take one vote at the end to receive all of the delegations on this matter our", "start": 3409.2, "end": 3414.599}, {"text": "first delegate this morning is is Carl Andress from the Hamilton Community benefits network uh this is in person if", "start": 3414.599, "end": 3421.319}, {"text": "Carl is present welcome Carl", "start": 3421.319, "end": 3429.88}, {"text": "uh with the Indulgence of the uh chair in this committee my presentation may be", "start": 3464, "end": 3469.079}, {"text": "closer to 8 minutes um so I would like if possible for um the uh for this", "start": 3469.079, "end": 3477.28}, {"text": "committee to uh give me just a touch extra time to speak I'm I'm seeing a", "start": 3477.28, "end": 3482.4}, {"text": "enthusiasm for for an extension to extend your your time uh by an", "start": 3482.4, "end": 3487.599}, {"text": "additional five minutes mooved by councelor Jackson seconded by councelor tson we'll just take that vote now", "start": 3487.599, "end": 3493.52}, {"text": "before you begin all in favor or opposed", "start": 3493.52, "end": 3498.24}, {"text": "so um committee members thank you sorry yes you're approved you have up to 10", "start": 3508.319, "end": 3514.16}, {"text": "minutes Carl please go ahead thank you very much so uh thank you very much uh committee members uh chair uh for", "start": 3514.16, "end": 3520.92}, {"text": "hearing our delegation today and before I get into um some of the items that I", "start": 3520.92, "end": 3527.44}, {"text": "wish to address um the first thing that I wanted to talk a little bit about is what the city of amilton has been doing", "start": 3527.44, "end": 3534.119}, {"text": "well um and your housing sustainability and investment road map is one of those", "start": 3534.119, "end": 3539.44}, {"text": "incredible Investments that this this Council and the previous term of council", "start": 3539.44, "end": 3545.24}, {"text": "has made in I think helping transform the affordable housing space so I just", "start": 3545.24, "end": 3551.52}, {"text": "wanted to acknowledge because some of my presentation is going to get into some of the challenges that we're facing as a", "start": 3551.52, "end": 3558.079}, {"text": "city but I wanted to take a moment to acknowledge some of the good work that this this committee uh through the chair", "start": 3558.079, "end": 3565.039}, {"text": "has has done and that the previous term of council has done so one of those things of", "start": 3565.039, "end": 3571.4}, {"text": "course is the housing sustainability and investment road map which staff will be speaking to today uh another one of", "start": 3571.4, "end": 3578.359}, {"text": "those is the renovation licensing and relocation bylaw which is um very unique", "start": 3578.359, "end": 3584.559}, {"text": "in Ontario um in some ways is very unique across the entire country uh in", "start": 3584.559, "end": 3591.4}, {"text": "in the protections that it provides tenants um so I think those are things that you should all be applauding um as", "start": 3591.4, "end": 3598.799}, {"text": "excellent work that you're doing in in the housing space um to really improve", "start": 3598.799, "end": 3604.68}, {"text": "some of the challenges where where you can with the municipal lovers available to you um that being said I want us to", "start": 3604.68, "end": 3612.079}, {"text": "talk a little bit about the Hamilton LRT and the demographics I know we just heard from Andrea Nan um about the about", "start": 3612.079, "end": 3621.96}, {"text": "a particular plan that um I was very happy to participate in um but I want to", "start": 3621.96, "end": 3628.359}, {"text": "talk a little bit about the demographics along the corridor specifically as you can see in in Wars one through through", "start": 3628.359, "end": 3636.76}, {"text": "five and in the very desparate amount of", "start": 3636.76, "end": 3641.799}, {"text": "of lowi income people or individuals with the lwi income level that exist in", "start": 3641.799, "end": 3647.16}, {"text": "these areas and why it's so important to get investment especially in the light", "start": 3647.16, "end": 3654.359}, {"text": "rail Corridor correct when it comes to housing um we're also seeing and", "start": 3654.359, "end": 3662.119}, {"text": "although like I said you have done some excellent work in in addressing uh this", "start": 3662.119, "end": 3667.96}, {"text": "particular issue we're also seeing a lot of proportion of renters receiving uh L2", "start": 3667.96, "end": 3677.64}, {"text": "n3s n14 addiction um and other renovation it um notices across the", "start": 3677.64, "end": 3685.559}, {"text": "othert Corridor specifically concentrated in again that L l8l l8h l8m", "start": 3685.559, "end": 3693.48}, {"text": "uh areas so parts of the mountain and the lower City uh Wards so we wanted um", "start": 3693.48, "end": 3700.839}, {"text": "I just wanted to kind of point out that there is still a lot of work to be done and still a lot of challenges that are", "start": 3700.839, "end": 3707.4}, {"text": "facing um facing this city along that Corridor I also wanted to talk about", "start": 3707.4, "end": 3712.799}, {"text": "some of the demographic information along that corridor um the Hamilton LRT Corridor contains um", "start": 3712.799, "end": 3720.92}, {"text": "as you can see above average folks of indigenous", "start": 3720.92, "end": 3726.2}, {"text": "ancestry um above average compared to the city you'll notice for example that", "start": 3726.2, "end": 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having R um having their retail uh sales groups um", "start": 3935.279, "end": 3944.24}, {"text": "perhaps buying or paying an extra value for empty buildings and then I really", "start": 3944.24, "end": 3950.319}, {"text": "wanted to kind of personalize that with Sharon Miller's story for example who", "start": 3950.319, "end": 3955.799}, {"text": "was one of those tenants who chose to fight in her metr Link's own building for years um and she was um featured in", "start": 3955.799, "end": 3964.68}, {"text": "many many many articles um around her displacement and was finally found new", "start": 3964.68, "end": 3972.079}, {"text": "housing um that was acceptable to her only months before her death um which", "start": 3972.079, "end": 3978.64}, {"text": "was a very sad tale to just kind of personalize the the types of struggles", "start": 3978.64, "end": 3984.4}, {"text": "that are going on in the LRT Corridor and then of course I would be remiss to", "start": 3984.4, "end": 3989.88}, {"text": "not point out that we've had um issues like the Hamilton LRT demolition halted", "start": 3989.88, "end": 3996.2}, {"text": "to save chimney Swifts but perhaps not tenants themselves um and this is", "start": 3996.2, "end": 4002.52}, {"text": "another major concern along the corridor with the land acquisition for this this", "start": 4002.52, "end": 4009.119}, {"text": "project we have done several studies and I really wanted to kind of point out", "start": 4009.119, "end": 4014.24}, {"text": "this especially this these studies that we've submitted to the LRT subcommittee and to staff but back in August of 2021", "start": 4014.24, "end": 4023.44}, {"text": "your own transportation office prepared a report for you on some of the", "start": 4023.44, "end": 4028.559}, {"text": "challenges that were coming to uh the LRT Corridor and to perhaps tenant", "start": 4028.559, "end": 4034.68}, {"text": "displacement and some strategies to potentially mitigate uh those issues um", 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4138.88}, {"text": "that you heard about and as I see one second left that concludes my [Laughter]", "start": 4138.88, "end": 4146.64}, {"text": "presentation and I'm taking word for councelor danu on his absence and we have questions and the first questioner", "start": 4146.64, "end": 4152.48}, {"text": "is counselor mcmein yeah hi good morning Carl how you", "start": 4152.48, "end": 4157.679}, {"text": "doing I'm good thank you sir good um we got uh plenty of warning about the", "start": 4157.679, "end": 4165.238}, {"text": "uh based on some of our visitors from Toronto and elsewhere around the", "start": 4165.239, "end": 4171.359}, {"text": "importance of doing it a community benefit side of uh the rrt and I know you've been instrumental um I was at I", "start": 4171.359, "end": 4178.838}, {"text": "think the very first meeting where that was discussed some time ago actually um", "start": 4178.839, "end": 4184.798}, {"text": "and and it's it's good the work you're doing I'm I'm wondering if uh if you could recall for us and U some", "start": 4184.799, "end": 4192.12}, {"text": "horrendous stories along the line hopefully there may be a straw of optimism there", "start": 4192.12, "end": 4198.199}, {"text": "somewhere I I seem to recall that when the feds and the province finally got", "start": 4198.199, "end": 4203.6}, {"text": "together with their major announcement of I think the 3.4 billion there were a couple of writers in that agreement", "start": 4203.6, "end": 4210.84}, {"text": "about uh a commitment to social housing along the line can you recall that for members around the Horseshoe and what", "start": 4210.84, "end": 4217.32}, {"text": "your what Your groups uh thinking is about that at this point and now we make sure that commitment yeah absolutely um", "start": 4217.32, "end": 4225.76}, {"text": "so there was a firm commitment made by the federal government as well as in the memorandum of understanding it was", "start": 4225.76, "end": 4232.44}, {"text": "signed by um by the city of Hamilton and the province uh to commit to affordable", "start": 4232.44, "end": 4239.28}, {"text": "housing as as well as Community benefits from the delivery of the project to date", "start": 4239.28, "end": 4245.6}, {"text": "there has been no agreement on what that will look like now you with you know", "start": 4245.6, "end": 4252.88}, {"text": "with the theou finally issued ued we might perhaps start to see some of these", "start": 4252.88, "end": 4258.92}, {"text": "details finalized um and might perhaps hear", "start": 4258.92, "end": 4263.96}, {"text": "better from staff at at the LRT subcommittee or current staff currently", "start": 4263.96, "end": 4269.8}, {"text": "on what the state of those negotiations are but as an organization who's been", "start": 4269.8, "end": 4275.28}, {"text": "working on the community benefits and affordable housing file to dat there have been no firm commitments made uh in", "start": 4275.28, "end": 4283.8}, {"text": "writing by any one on exactly what's going to be delivered from those", "start": 4283.8, "end": 4289.52}, {"text": "promises through through you chair uh that's um that's concerning um to me and", "start": 4289.52, "end": 4295.4}, {"text": "I suspect to you uh we we are going to need whatever advice good advice your", "start": 4295.4, "end": 4302.6}, {"text": "group can give us as to some of the Dynamics some of the queries uh some of the parameters of U the questions uh", "start": 4302.6, "end": 4311.04}, {"text": "we're going to need to ask around uh uh transitioning that uh initial mou to", "start": 4311.04, "end": 4319.08}, {"text": "something that is lasting and uh and of direct Community benefit I'm assuming", "start": 4319.08, "end": 4324.239}, {"text": "that your group is intent on helping us to do that together um that is certainly our Our", "start": 4324.239, "end": 4330.84}, {"text": "intention and it has been our uh experience of other community groups in", "start": 4330.84, "end": 4336.719}, {"text": "other cities who have dealt with these similar questions slash challenges that", "start": 4336.719, "end": 4343.36}, {"text": "the most important thing is to get things in writing to get get them codified to get clear language that", "start": 4343.36, "end": 4351.239}, {"text": "supports what all parties are going to do and how they plan to deliver on on", "start": 4351.239, "end": 4356.84}, {"text": "those those for example B the promise of employment", "start": 4356.84, "end": 4362.88}, {"text": "opportunities through the delivery of of the what what does that look like um so", "start": 4362.88, "end": 4368.8}, {"text": "getting that information what does the delivery of affordable housing what is the questions around Metro links owned", "start": 4368.8, "end": 4375.48}, {"text": "land along the corridor but also um in addition to that I just also like to say", "start": 4375.48, "end": 4382.719}, {"text": "what is it that you can do as as City councilors whether it's through your own", "start": 4382.719, "end": 4387.96}, {"text": "land procurement whether it's through um and and I have a bit of a bias here", "start": 4387.96, "end": 4393.6}, {"text": "because I sit on the city housing Hamilton board of directors but what can be done through or you know", "start": 4393.6, "end": 4399.52}, {"text": "organizations like City housing Hamilton or the rest of the Hamilton is home coalition in terms of of maximizing the", "start": 4399.52, "end": 4407.48}, {"text": "amount of of Transit delivery um along along that", "start": 4407.48, "end": 4412.8}, {"text": "Corridor through you chair and to Carl your uh your constant Clarity has been a", "start": 4412.8, "end": 4419.6}, {"text": "blessing keep up keep up the good work thanks thank you counselor uh next on", "start": 4419.6, "end": 4425.159}, {"text": "our speaker list is councelor Jackson thanks Deputy Mayor Dano Carl", "start": 4425.159, "end": 4430.6}, {"text": "good to see you when an Andrew speaks I always listen very carefully even back from your wonderful Mother's time here", "start": 4430.6, "end": 4437.239}, {"text": "um so because your presentation was literally about the LRT I would never have asked this", "start": 4437.239, "end": 4444.239}, {"text": "question otherwise but I need to ask it because and as you know I was never a", "start": 4444.239, "end": 4450.56}, {"text": "fan of it so the LRT to all the readings I did was about economic uplift for the", "start": 4450.56, "end": 4458.719}, {"text": "downtown primarily from east to west um and of course upgrades to INF", "start": 4458.719, "end": 4464.199}, {"text": "infrastructure that was a side benefit you had sounded the alarm from the get-go about the loss of thousands of", "start": 4464.199, "end": 4472.12}, {"text": "subsidized rental units so I'm trying to understand on the one hand I know you've been a a", "start": 4472.12, "end": 4478.52}, {"text": "supporter of the LRT on the 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it's owned and available for not for profit housing providers um well", "start": 4778.4, "end": 4783.76}, {"text": "you know it's not I give my my favorite example is if you look at 2015 it's", "start": 4783.76, "end": 4790.4}, {"text": "about $2 million an acre for land in in downtown Hamilton it's now 1520 million", "start": 4790.4, "end": 4798.88}, {"text": "depending on who you ask um that was a you know so that sort of priced out", "start": 4798.88, "end": 4805.84}, {"text": "those affordable housing providers to be able to build in in the in the space in", "start": 4805.84, "end": 4810.92}, {"text": "these emerging communities so that was another area where we could have gotten", "start": 4810.92, "end": 4816.08}, {"text": "ahead of it we could be looking at co-creation of affordable housing units", "start": 4816.08, "end": 4822.88}, {"text": "with new library and Parklands I mean we're we're collecting Parkland", "start": 4822.88, "end": 4828.56}, {"text": "dedication fees all the time or new development charge fees from these developments so there could be a a an", "start": 4828.56, "end": 4836.04}, {"text": "effect where we tie the construction of whether it be a fire hall or a library", "start": 4836.04, "end": 4842.84}, {"text": "to the construction of an affordable housing unit with units above above that", "start": 4842.84, "end": 4847.96}, {"text": "within the you know Transit corridors but like the LRT Corridor appreciate the", "start": 4847.96, "end": 4853.84}, {"text": "sincerity and comp comprehensiveness of your uh responses Carl thank you Deputy Mayor Dano for your Indulgence thank you", "start": 4853.84, "end": 4860.159}, {"text": "counselor uh one further speaker councelor Moren", "start": 4860.159, "end": 4865.079}, {"text": "Wilson thank you delegate Andress I put myself on the speaker list prior to that", "start": 4865.719, "end": 4870.88}, {"text": "very thorough um and comprehensive response which if if I may to ensure", "start": 4870.88, "end": 4876.92}, {"text": "that um I've heard it correctly um if I could tether where you", "start": 4876.92, "end": 4882.28}, {"text": "began and the council that you've provided in terms of where you've ended what I've heard you say", "start": 4882.28, "end": 4888.8}, {"text": "is the prospect of Hamilton LRT is good", "start": 4888.8, "end": 4894.28}, {"text": "we need private sector uh housing markets in order to create some room", "start": 4894.28, "end": 4901.48}, {"text": "since over 80% of our housing is provided by the the private sector but", "start": 4901.48, "end": 4907.36}, {"text": "we have known for some time that when you uh plan for and provide a high order", "start": 4907.36, "end": 4914.12}, {"text": "Transit we look to other jurisdictions it does have the consequence of enhancing the", "start": 4914.12, "end": 4921.36}, {"text": "value of land which is a good thing for the municipality in that it enhances our", "start": 4921.36, "end": 4927.04}, {"text": "coffers so that we can reinvest in community which right now we're really struggling to do what you're also saying", "start": 4927.04, "end": 4934.199}, {"text": "though is beginning with your original remarks I thought I heard there has to", "start": 4934.199, "end": 4939.88}, {"text": "be intentionality um there there and there is a role for for the public agent in", "start": 4939.88, "end": 4946.159}, {"text": "this case the municipality in different ways not just that of a financer uh but getting ahead in terms", "start": 4946.159, "end": 4953.28}, {"text": "of land use zoning Partnerships financing strategies to enable and to", "start": 4953.28, "end": 4959.719}, {"text": "provide for the capacity of others so I just that is the lesson and then you're", "start": 4959.719, "end": 4965.639}, {"text": "telling us to look forward that in this 30 years we can also", "start": 4965.639, "end": 4970.88}, {"text": "learn moving ahead whether it be um through cancer Dano's uh war that we", "start": 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construction of of public housing and changing that that", "start": 5070.84, "end": 5076.44}, {"text": "that number thank you councelor uh one", "start": 5076.44, "end": 5081.88}, {"text": "further speaker councelor", "start": 5081.88, "end": 5085}, {"text": "Clark uh thank you chair uh just just one question I'm trying to I've been", "start": 5087.28, "end": 5093.239}, {"text": "trying to get answers on this for for a while um are you aware um to to Carl of any", "start": 5093.239, "end": 5104.52}, {"text": "initiative from Metro links that would indicate that they're going to be", "start": 5104.52, "end": 5112.92}, {"text": "supporting uh the city of Hamilton with assistance for not for profit", "start": 5113.48, "end": 5121.28}, {"text": "housing um yeah through the chair that's an ex excellent questions so", "start": 5121.28, "end": 5127.44}, {"text": "um there are still negotiations going on between the federal government and the", "start": 5127.44, "end": 5134.719}, {"text": "province on on the fun on the flowing of the funding agreement between those", "start": 5134.719, "end": 5140.6}, {"text": "levels of government and one of the points of contention between the two of them is the construction of affordable", "start": 5140.6, "end": 5147.6}, {"text": "housing and whatever fashion that is the delivery of surplus land uh uh you know", "start": 5147.6, "end": 5154.92}, {"text": "perhaps maybe a $5.8 million investment like was earmarked in the previous uh", "start": 5154.92, "end": 5161.4}, {"text": "iteration of the LRT project by the uh the previous government um so I am not", "start": 5161.4, "end": 5169.159}, {"text": "currently aware though of plans and the few examples that we have where Metro", "start": 5169.159, "end": 5175.119}, {"text": "Links has disposed of of disposed of land um it has always been for highest", "start": 5175.119, "end": 5181.36}, {"text": "and best value um for example in Miss s Saga where they sold some extra land or", 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that it has taken a lot of Grassroots", "start": 5233.639, "end": 5241.32}, {"text": "power and a lot of protest to even get matr links to make some of", "start": 5241.32, "end": 5247.44}, {"text": "the basic commitments um that they had previously um done with without question", "start": 5247.44, "end": 5255.4}, {"text": "um so that's that's going to be a a a challenge uh for for us here in the city", "start": 5255.4, "end": 5262.08}, {"text": "of Hamilton and how that and how that unfolds is it concerning for you that", "start": 5262.08, "end": 5269.52}, {"text": "there has been no demonstration with dollars from Metro", "start": 5269.52, "end": 5275.239}, {"text": "Links or properties I mean they they all seem to make", "start": 5275.239, "end": 5280.92}, {"text": "chair when the announcement was made big halalu that they're going to bring", "start": 5280.92, "end": 5287.96}, {"text": "affordable housing even the FED said affordable housing has to be a part of", "start": 5287.96, "end": 5294.159}, {"text": "this but I'm not seeing any of it yet and it's a concern for me because we", "start": 5294.159, "end": 5299.48}, {"text": "have already started the contracts with Metro links for", "start": 5299.48, "end": 5304.96}, {"text": "um um different construction projects along the line but we're still not", "start": 5304.96, "end": 5310.56}, {"text": "seeing anything and and I fear as you said Carl that you know other", "start": 5310.56, "end": 5317.8}, {"text": "jurisdictions in Ontario they went with the highest and best use when disposing of land which is the Mandate that they", "start": 5317.8, "end": 5326}, {"text": "have received from The Province but the province is saying oh no we're going to be there for you so just be aware of", "start": 5326, "end": 5333.119}, {"text": "that we have to continue that pressure because I'm not convinced that Metro linkx will step up to the plate thank", "start": 5333.119, "end": 5339.92}, {"text": "you very much for all the work that you're doing to help the city and just quickly through the chair if I can uh", "start": 5339.92, "end": 5346.119}, {"text": "make one last comment on that that subject one of the challenges that I am", "start": 5346.119, "end": 5351.48}, {"text": "hearing from my peers in the Toronto Community benefits network is around Community employment benefits so that um", "start": 5351.48, "end": 5359.44}, {"text": "that pillar one that you all heard about in your presentations that they're not embedding language in", "start": 5359.44, "end": 5366.48}, {"text": "the contracts that are being sent out to the to the project codes or bid codes or", "start": 5366.48, "end": 5375.119}, {"text": "subcontractors to ensure that those training opportunities are afforded so I", "start": 5375.119, "end": 5381.6}, {"text": "think there's a very real concern around um where metr links is going to stand", "start": 5381.6, "end": 5389.76}, {"text": "and like I said what other opportunities we as a 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{"text": "window there we go perfect okay thank you so much for your", "start": 7035.44, "end": 7042.4}, {"text": "patience and understanding good morning everyone my name is Victoria bombery I am here on", "start": 7042.4, "end": 7048.8}, {"text": "behalf of the Coalition of Hamilton indigenous leadership and I'm here to speak to the housing sustainability investment road map thank you for this", "start": 7048.8, "end": 7056.199}, {"text": "opportunity to speak about a matter of critical importance the need for Meaningful and sustainable investments", "start": 7056.199, "end": 7062.199}, {"text": "in indigenous Le housing initiatives today I want to highlight how such initiatives address urgent housing needs", "start": 7062.199, "end": 7068.96}, {"text": "and serve as a tangible step towards advancing reconciliation in Hamilton next slide", "start": 7068.96, "end": 7075.4}, {"text": "please the Coalition of Hamilton indigenous leadership is comprised of member agencies including the 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"end": 7168.76}, {"text": "and opportunities for indigenous peoples and there's also a lack of culturally safe housing options that meet our", "start": 7168.76, "end": 7174.719}, {"text": "unique cultural and social needs at the community and organizational level our", "start": 7174.719, "end": 7180.52}, {"text": "organizations often face insufficient and inconsistent funding making it difficult to plan build and sustain", "start": 7180.52, "end": 7187.719}, {"text": "housing projects that meet the needs of our community as we've heard today uh", "start": 7187.719, "end": 7193.639}, {"text": "securing an affordable suitable land in Hamilton is quite expensive and Indigenous housing Le organizations face", "start": 7193.639, "end": 7200.52}, {"text": "a significant barrier in being able to afford land in the city inconsistent and insufficient", "start": 7200.52, "end": 7206.76}, {"text": "funding also challenge organizations ability to recruit and retain the staff and expertise needed to lead indigenous", "start": 7206.76, "end": 7213.28}, {"text": "leit housing initiatives indigenous Le housing is not merely a housing issue it is the legacy", "start": 7213.28, "end": 7220.32}, {"text": "of systemic marginalization Colonial dispossession and the ongoing impacts of", "start": 7220.32, "end": 7225.48}, {"text": "intergenerational trauma investing in indigenous Le", "start": 7225.48, "end": 7231.079}, {"text": "housing requires reconciliation next slide", "start": 7231.079, "end": 7237.639}, {"text": "please we assert that Municipal Investments are critical we all know", "start": 7237.639, "end": 7242.76}, {"text": "housing is more than a federal or provincial issue municipalities are at the Forefront of addressing housing", "start": 7242.76, "end": 7248.32}, {"text": "crisis and can set the tone for how reconciliation is embedded within our", "start": 7248.32, "end": 7253.84}, {"text": "responses Council can lead the way by prioritizing and investing in indigenous Le housing to address the systemic", "start": 7253.84, "end": 7260.44}, {"text": "inequities and promote culturally supportive Solutions we can demonstrate CommunityWide benefits including", "start": 7260.44, "end": 7266.96}, {"text": "reducing the strain on emergency and social services that strengthen our neighborhoods across the", "start": 7266.96, "end": 7272.76}, {"text": "city and these Investments advaned council's commitments to reconciliation in ways that are measurable and", "start": 7272.76, "end": 7279.76}, {"text": "accountable next slide please we've drafted the following", "start": 7279.76, "end": 7284.92}, {"text": "recommendations and welcome the opportunity to discuss these ideas in detail with C City leadership and", "start": 7284.92, "end": 7292.119}, {"text": "staff ideas include uh prioritizing indigenous Le housing initiatives looks", "start": 7292.119, "end": 7297.36}, {"text": "like establishing dedicated and sustainable funding streams across housing funding whether it's provincial", "start": 7297.36, "end": 7302.84}, {"text": "federal or Municipal embedding indigenous representation and planning committees", "start": 7302.84, "end": 7308.599}, {"text": "to reflect and revise how opportunities support or restrict the ability of indigenous housing organizations to", "start": 7308.599, "end": 7314.159}, {"text": "advance projects allocating Equitable resources includes collaborating with indigenous", "start": 7314.159, "end": 7320.76}, {"text": "housing organizations to identify and designate Municipal lands that are suitable for indigenous housing it", "start": 7320.76, "end": 7327.679}, {"text": "includes streamlining development processes to ensure requirements take into account the unique needs cultural", "start": 7327.679, "end": 7333.88}, {"text": "needs of indigenous housing and we welcome the opportunity to discuss current gaps and needs in our", "start": 7333.88, "end": 7340.76}, {"text": "housing uh spectrum and look at ways that we can push for appropriate and sustainable", "start": 7340.76, "end": 7347.04}, {"text": "founding from other levels of government next slide", "start": 7347.04, "end": 7352.36}, {"text": "please indigenous residents and Rich Hamilton through diverse contributions to the city's social economic and", "start": 7352.36, "end": 7358.48}, {"text": "artistic Landscapes indigenous leadership and community-driven housing initiatives", "start": 7358.48, "end": 7364.239}, {"text": "strengthen Hamilton's identity as an inclusive vibrant and forward-thinking City we look forward to continuing to uh", "start": 7364.239, "end": 7371.52}, {"text": "collab Cate with the council and City staff next slide please thank you", "start": 7371.52, "end": 7379.04}, {"text": "everybody thank you very much uh Victoria uh have no speakers on the", "start": 7380.4, "end": 7385.679}, {"text": "speakers list so thank you for your delegation appreciate", "start": 7385.679, "end": 7391.198}, {"text": "it uh moving on our next delegate is Alan Whittle from from Good Shepard", "start": 7391.239, "end": 7398.239}, {"text": "which I believe is in person", "start": 7398.239, "end": 7402.4}, {"text": "take your time no rush we're here all", "start": 7407.32, "end": 7412.84}, {"text": "day whenever you're ready Alan good morning I'm Alan whid and I'm", "start": 7425.36, "end": 7430.639}, {"text": "here representing uh Good Shepherd this morning cuz uh we thought it was very important to acknowledge the leadership", "start": 7430.639, "end": 7437.119}, {"text": "uh that has been evidenced uh by uh all of your efforts including the housing secretar at in leading this community", "start": 7437.119, "end": 7443.159}, {"text": "forward in terms of addressing this issue of housing affordability I just have a few brief comments uh to", "start": 7443.159, "end": 7451.079}, {"text": "make I think Good Shepherd recognizes that the city cannot do this", "start": 7451.079, "end": 7458.32}, {"text": "alone this crisis in housing this crisis in poverty is something that has uh not", "start": 7458.32, "end": 7465.76}, {"text": "only provincial but Federal uh aspects to it that are beyond the the abilities", "start": 7465.76, "end": 7473.32}, {"text": "of a community like this ultimately without significant", "start": 7473.32, "end": 7478.639}, {"text": "support from senior levels of government the acute crisis that we're seeing in particular in Supportive", "start": 7478.639, "end": 7484.76}, {"text": "Housing um cannot be addressed in this community and it leaves our most vulnerable uh citizens at RIS", "start": 7484.76, "end": 7492.639}, {"text": "uh of many things including death I just wanted to highlight one", "start": 7492.639, "end": 7499.96}, {"text": "particular uh aspect of the strategy that's going forward which is uh the inclusion of an effort to try and", "start": 7499.96, "end": 7507.04}, {"text": "acquire existing buildings in this community I think as we could acknowledge uh the loss that's been", "start": 7507.04, "end": 7514.119}, {"text": "addressed by others um we can't replace those units there's just no way we can", "start": 7514.119, "end": 7519.559}, {"text": "build enough units of affordable house in uh to replace uh what we've lost", "start": 7519.559, "end": 7524.599}, {"text": "already and what we will continue to lose so including that is very a key", "start": 7524.599, "end": 7533.32}, {"text": "um again I I I just want to reiterate that the you know the encampments that", "start": 7536.4, "end": 7542}, {"text": "we see and all of that that's uh you know so visible to us is truly a failure", "start": 7542, "end": 7548.119}, {"text": "of public policy primarily at the provincial and federal level um and so without their help we cannot", "start": 7548.119, "end": 7555.04}, {"text": "do that so in closing I just want to uh continue to see you move forward as a", "start": 7555.04, "end": 7562.4}, {"text": "leader in the country uh around this issue uh and we'll be there to help thank", "start": 7562.4, "end": 7570.199}, {"text": "you thank you Alan uh no questions from committee this morning so thank you for", "start": 7570.199, "end": 7576.4}, {"text": "your delegation", "start": 7576.4, "end": 7579.599}, {"text": "next delegate Patrick milhon from galling", "start": 7583.119, "end": 7588.96}, {"text": "wlg I apologize if I if I pronounced your last name incorrectly Patrick", "start": 7593.119, "end": 7601.558}, {"text": "okay so just just procedurally uh we have Patrick and David horwood from Roxboro Park I believe you're delegating", "start": 7615.079, "end": 7622.8}, {"text": "separately but maybe using the same presentation or part of the same", "start": 7622.8, "end": 7628.239}, {"text": "presentation thank you with the chair and council's permission we'll uh delegate jointly and uh David will be", "start": 7628.239, "end": 7634.8}, {"text": "taking the lead and I'll be here in case there's any questions okay are is the five minutes sufficient then because we", "start": 7634.8, "end": 7640.8}, {"text": "do have you as separate delegates yes 5 minutes is fine thank you perfect thank you chair thank you", "start": 7640.8, "end": 7648.078}, {"text": "great good morning thanks very much and uh I hope the five minutes saved is uh productive um uh to everybody here", "start": 7688.079, "end": 7695.079}, {"text": "thanks for your time it's a pleasure to be with you um I don't always bring a lawyer to City Hall um but it's kind", "start": 7695.079, "end": 7701.48}, {"text": "kind of a difficult time to be in the Housing and Development industry these days so out of an abundance of caution", "start": 7701.48, "end": 7706.8}, {"text": "uh my good friend and colleague Patrick is here as well um I'm here to talk to you about um I think a really good news", "start": 7706.8, "end": 7714.119}, {"text": "story that I want to share and it is um speaks specifically to the housing sustainability uh investment um road map", 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"terms of ir regular hamiltonians understanding the transformation that's happened here with the partnership thank", "start": 8035.599, "end": 8041.88}, {"text": "you m horv through the chair I don't believe it is nearly well known enough um we are actually sometimes finding out", "start": 8041.88, "end": 8048.159}, {"text": "that people others in the industry other municipalities are asking about this and are wanting to use this as a demonstration project yet it isn't", "start": 8048.159, "end": 8054.92}, {"text": "necessarily well known by by many of the current members of council so I think we have um again what we've proved is that", "start": 8054.92, "end": 8061.559}, {"text": "we can navigate this with the private sector with the with City Hall with a", "start": 8061.559, "end": 8066.639}, {"text": "tremendous amount of support from the the planning department um Finance was involved because this did involve DC", "start": 8066.639, "end": 8072.639}, {"text": "waivers um chh was 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we didn't have the cmhc program that provided a lower interest and fixed term um loan for this", "start": 8365.04, "end": 8373.2}, {"text": "we couldn't have done it even with the DC waivers right okay if we didn't have the CIP that provided the park plan and", "start": 8373.2, "end": 8379.12}, {"text": "gave the city the access to that we couldn't have done it it is that far off of of sort of uh being ready to go um", "start": 8379.12, "end": 8387.518}, {"text": "that we needed all three levels of those the municipal help the vinal help and the cmhc program for the apartment", "start": 8387.519, "end": 8393.479}, {"text": "building in particular now the townhous is the my home program what it does is it by not charging development charges", "start": 8393.479, "end": 8400.56}, {"text": "we have a very transparent program where we ensure that these are not speculators these are not investors they may not own", "start": 8400.56, "end": 8406.399}, {"text": "other property it is targeted towards the uh the firsttime townhouse buyers um", "start": 8406.399, "end": 8411.96}, {"text": "we share that information with the city and we go through that process and by not being charged a DC we are obligated", "start": 8411.96, "end": 8419.8}, {"text": "to reduce the listing price or the selling price by that same amount and we set annually what that price will be", "start": 8419.8, "end": 8426.24}, {"text": "based on Market information so we don't set it alone that is done in conjunction with with the city's finance department", "start": 8426.24, "end": 8431.8}, {"text": "so there's oversight to how this gets done um I think that's a great idea we can work within the framework as long as", "start": 8431.8, "end": 8437.68}, {"text": "the framework has room for the private sector to to do what it intends to do and and needs to do thank you thank you", "start": 8437.68, "end": 8443.6}, {"text": "for sharing thank you thank you counselor uh on our speakers list", "start": 8443.6, "end": 8448.68}, {"text": "councelor Jackson followed by councelor Morin Wilson and councelor councelor Jackson please thanks Deputy Mayor Dano", "start": 8448.68, "end": 8454.8}, {"text": "Mr horwood good to see you Mr Mone nice to meet you as well um I just want to", "start": 8454.8, "end": 8460.319}, {"text": "getting to a question I just want to say in the current newness of this Council sometimes the past is criticized things", "start": 8460.319, "end": 8466.359}, {"text": "could have been done much better I need to commend and congratulate uh former W for counselor Sam marula who was an", "start": 8466.359, "end": 8472.72}, {"text": "integral part of bringing the partnership together and saying of this derel former Surplus site of the school", "start": 8472.72, "end": 8479.72}, {"text": "board that something special could be done in the East and to help rejuvenate the community as well and this is the", "start": 8479.72, "end": 8486.56}, {"text": "result of uh his efforts and the partnership as well through you Deputy Mayor Dano to uh Mr horwood this sounds", "start": 8486.56, "end": 8493.6}, {"text": "like um a version of a triple P but can you help me just further explain in the", "start": 8493.6, "end": 8499.64}, {"text": "es and flows of our economic real estate market especially through the pandemic", "start": 8499.64, "end": 8504.76}, {"text": "when real estate prices went through the roof and rentals have gone of course beyond what anyone could have imagined", "start": 8504.76, "end": 8510.6}, {"text": "as a native hamiltonian like myself and now through the post pandemic and into where we are currently can you help me", "start": 8510.6, "end": 8517.88}, {"text": "understand why these Market mid-market rentals will always be available and needed in our community Through you and", "start": 8517.88, "end": 8525.04}, {"text": "how this is maybe a different version of a triple p through you Deputy Mayor Dano to Mr horwood if he could further", "start": 8525.04, "end": 8530.8}, {"text": "elaborate please and how this can be a template going forward sure thank you Council Jackson through the chair um I", "start": 8530.8, "end": 8538.52}, {"text": "uh you know this is a a a 3p however you want to put it I just think this is a", "start": 8538.52, "end": 8543.72}, {"text": "very tangible example and recent example of of doing this um a lot of the other", "start": 8543.72, "end": 8549.479}, {"text": "stuff is related to infrastructure entirely this is related to housing um and building that mid-market attainable", "start": 8549.479, "end": 8555.96}, {"text": "product um I think that the you know there's no question that if we look across the Continuum of housing options", "start": 8555.96, "end": 8562.8}, {"text": "if there is activity for example in Grimsby a new industrial facility or a new plant uh up in Hamilton's Industrial", "start": 8562.8, "end": 8569.16}, {"text": "Park the Roxboro Park neighborhood is very well suited towards 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that will drive traffic we know it will and", "start": 8645.12, "end": 8650.92}, {"text": "and we want to we want to be there so I I think um you know purpose built rental and this is purpose built rental this is", "start": 8650.92, "end": 8657.04}, {"text": "not a condo for sale there's this is rental that's part of our housing agreement with cmhc as part of the", "start": 8657.04, "end": 8662.52}, {"text": "agreement we agreed we set up with the city as well as part of the CIP um these will be rental units and we look forward", "start": 8662.52, "end": 8668.68}, {"text": "to providing rental units we're in the housing business we we love our customers we love being um sort of in", "start": 8668.68, "end": 8674.56}, {"text": "the rental business and it's exciting for me now as a third generation in our family business to be back um you know", "start": 8674.56, "end": 8680.479}, {"text": "on the tools and and building new new product and uh we think it's a great fit across the board the lake great uh Tom", "start": 8680.479, "end": 8687.04}, {"text": "wise would be incredibly impressed and happy with your delegation mayor danle thank you councel thank you", "start": 8687.04, "end": 8693.92}, {"text": "councelor Jackson councelor Morin Wilson followed by councelor Nan thank you thank you for for being", "start": 8693.92, "end": 8701.24}, {"text": "here um this morning we've we've heard from you of uh", "start": 8701.24, "end": 8707.92}, {"text": "you are in the the the private housing market but you began your delegation by", "start": 8707.92, "end": 8713.52}, {"text": "almost commensurating that you you share some of the experiences of of those who are in not in um uh that are in the the", "start": 8713.52, "end": 8721.6}, {"text": "not for-profit you mentioned hurdles complexities of getting deals together Etc um and this morning um you've talked", "start": 8721.6, "end": 8731.24}, {"text": "a little bit about some of the necessary ingredients um in order for 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of when I used to uh Chase uh Minister mcmein around uh", "start": 8784.68, "end": 8789.72}, {"text": "Queens Park on many of these same issues the dirt comes out the on many of these", "start": 8789.72, "end": 8794.96}, {"text": "same issues um or I could talk about how uh how Federal Minister of Housing Sean Fraser you know seemed to uh have a", "start": 8794.96, "end": 8802.04}, {"text": "light bulb spring up over his head about uh eliminating GST uh or HST on new", "start": 8802.04, "end": 8807.12}, {"text": "purpose built rentals well again I've got notes from 2000 1 2006 I mean so", "start": 8807.12, "end": 8813.04}, {"text": "this has been kicked down the this sort of the can the can has been kicked down the road as as many times as POS", "start": 8813.04, "end": 8818.68}, {"text": "possibly could have um but I would say that that I think the intensity of the housing crisis and the the the awareness", "start": 8818.68, "end": 8826.52}, {"text": "now almost across the board is finally leading to some um incentive some solutions some changes in philosophy", "start": 8826.52, "end": 8833.2}, {"text": "that the rockboro park is a perfect example of how to capitalize on on those how to lead those because they didn't", "start": 8833.2, "end": 8839.479}, {"text": "exist when we started but how to collaborate with City and staff on on a great program I mean I actually think", "start": 8839.479, "end": 8845.56}, {"text": "our CIP is the road map it's it was negotiated with staff it was vetted by", "start": 8845.56, "end": 8850.6}, {"text": "The Province um at the end of the day the CIP component where we were obligated to to provide a minimum number", "start": 8850.6, "end": 8857.88}, {"text": "of rental units was actually uh accelerated by the cmhc rental housing", "start": 8857.88, "end": 8863.64}, {"text": "construction program which wasn't even on the table when we began the the discussions on this we weren't sure that", "start": 8863.64, "end": 8869.68}, 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um there's no", "start": 8905.8, "end": 8911.319}, {"text": "question that uh Steve and Anita were instrumental in this Jason Thorne uh uh", "start": 8911.319, "end": 8916.64}, {"text": "was was at the table we worked with Edward John for I mean it was you you", "start": 8916.64, "end": 8921.8}, {"text": "wouldn't have known whether I was working for the city or for you know the private sector for a while um but it took that long to get this done it", "start": 8921.8, "end": 8928.56}, {"text": "shouldn't be that hard to do it again and it shouldn't take long to do it again or to find others um I've spoken", "start": 8928.56, "end": 8933.84}, {"text": "with David Pacini of provincial cabinet uh cabinet minister and uh MPP from uh", "start": 8933.84, "end": 8939.8}, {"text": "sort of Port Hope cerg area um and he has a site that when he heard about this he thought this might be something great", "start": 8939.8, "end": 8945.359}, {"text": "how could we do this um there are others when we talk that you know are just elated and and amazed that we could do", "start": 8945.359, "end": 8951.2}, {"text": "the sort of thing so I hope we can do more of it the CIP is a perfect place to start and if not I will as you can see", "start": 8951.2, "end": 8956.279}, {"text": "I'm I'm pretty passionate about this I'm pretty excited about it and I'm proud of what we did together um and it would be", "start": 8956.279, "end": 8962.84}, {"text": "so much easier to do it again um than to you know for the first time that we did it no yes thank you for that and I I too", "start": 8962.84, "end": 8972.16}, {"text": "um understand and agree that we we need the private sector at at the table and", "start": 8972.16, "end": 8978.92}, {"text": "um thank you for joining us at that table and I I'm I'm hoping that we can", "start": 8978.92, "end": 8985.76}, {"text": "uh keep you at that table um so that you don't have to go through this same birth", "start": 8985.76, "end": 8992.72}, {"text": "story um that you will have a a an easier easier uh delivery if you will um", "start": 8992.72, "end": 8999.12}, {"text": "and that we can sort of quantify U that in a um in a manual right like you do", "start": 8999.12, "end": 9007.16}, {"text": "this do this do this do this so thank you for your time and um I I know you", "start": 9007.16, "end": 9012.479}, {"text": "will entrust us with this experience as we continue to move forward thank you I I hope you all enjoyed my uh first story", "start": 9012.479, "end": 9019.399}, {"text": "thank you thank you counselor uh yes we do have a", "start": 9019.399, "end": 9025}, {"text": "a bit of a growing speakers list uh counselor Nan followed by counselor Francis and mcmein councelor Nan please", "start": 9025, "end": 9031.52}, {"text": "thank you chair and I'm just gonna have to go off of where uh councelor Wilson", "start": 9031.52, "end": 9036.92}, {"text": "left off in terms of metaphor and uh hearkened back to a previous delegate", "start": 9036.92, "end": 9042.64}, {"text": "who said um the crisis that we're facing perhaps isn't one that is defined by the", "start": 9042.64, "end": 9047.8}, {"text": "darkness of the Tomb right it's not just about fear and bad times but perhaps", "start": 9047.8, "end": 9053.12}, {"text": "it's the darkness of the womb and an opportunity for us to uh bring more to", "start": 9053.12, "end": 9058.16}, {"text": "light um thank you for your delegation thanks for giving us your slideshow and presenting back to council some of the", "start": 9058.16, "end": 9064.64}, {"text": "outcomes of the partnership between City housing Hamilton the city and and your development uh group um I think that the", "start": 9064.64, "end": 9073.04}, {"text": "building for City housing Hamilton and speaking with both hats on right now as award 3 city counselor but also as", "start": 9073.04, "end": 9079.6}, {"text": "president City housing Hamilton one of the things that we really uh celebrated in eight rocks and drive the chh", "start": 9079.6, "end": 9087.479}, {"text": "building is our passive standard and I'm curious to hear from you about whether", "start": 9087.479, "end": 9092.6}, {"text": "or not you were able to extend those Green Building standards to the private portion of the development so that you", "start": 9092.6, "end": 9100.2}, {"text": "could we could leverage those um assets and as well as Innovative uh design", "start": 9100.2, "end": 9107.08}, {"text": "standards that are thriving in the not for-profit social sector we're getting Awards left right and Center uh City", "start": 9107.08, "end": 9113.52}, {"text": "housing Hamilton indwell other organizations as well wondering if you were able to extend that to your private development thank you thank you you Mr", "start": 9113.52, "end": 9121.12}, {"text": "chair thank you uh councel Nan uh we really appreciate it um Energy Efficiency was at the heart of the of", "start": 9121.12, "end": 9126.88}, {"text": "the design criteria for the chh building and although we worried a little bit about sort of what that might lead to", "start": 9126.88, "end": 9132.24}, {"text": "from a budget perspective um the industry is advancing uh some of the tech techniques we could work on with uh", "start": 9132.24, "end": 9139.2}, {"text": "the architecture Al team and uh some of our contractors including the pre-cast contractors and things like that that", "start": 9139.2, "end": 9145.359}, {"text": "weren't available years ago are now available for us and so yes the chh building did meet those passive house", "start": 9145.359, "end": 9151.72}, {"text": "standards and that's going to be an amazing way for both fresh air indoor air quality Energy Efficiency low carbon", "start": 9151.72, "end": 9157.76}, {"text": "all sorts of uh great touch points in some cases the private sector has not been quick to grab those because they do", "start": 9157.76, "end": 9163.64}, {"text": "cost a lot more um so one of the things 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will likely be dramatically more efficient and less expensive than traditional Legacy units um and I'm a", "start": 9242.6, "end": 9248.399}, {"text": "big believer of this in a totally unrelated development that we've just finished in Dundas Ontario which is a", "start": 9248.399, "end": 9254.08}, {"text": "new rental building as well um we did decide to do passive house standards um and uh and that will be you know", "start": 9254.08, "end": 9260.92}, {"text": "probably neck and neck with the retrofit down at the waterfront of the chh building one of the most energy efficient buildings in the country um so", "start": 9260.92, "end": 9269.08}, {"text": "it's we really are drinking the Kool-Aid um some of the incentive programs insist on that Energy Efficiency that's a good", "start": 9269.08, "end": 9275.92}, {"text": "incentive towards getting our industry to do it um and as a long-term rental housing operator um I absolutely", "start": 9275.92, "end": 9282}, {"text": "appreciate why it's important to build that into it thank you through you chair drinking Kool-Aid and also I would say", "start": 9282, "end": 9287.72}, {"text": "another version of the story could be leading for future Generations in mind", "start": 9287.72, "end": 9293.319}, {"text": "um the final question I guess comment would be given some of the comments around the table um city housing", "start": 9293.319, "end": 9300.04}, {"text": "Hamilton is uh has is finalizing our development strategy we're doing a deep", "start": 9300.04, "end": 9305.319}, {"text": "dive on this demonstration project to extract what our learnings are and to figure out how we can maximize the value", "start": 9305.319, "end": 9314}, {"text": "and the outcomes that are City housing Hamilton Mission and value principles", "start": 9314, "end": 9320.439}, {"text": "but also in terms of aligning to our city uh priorities as it relates to Municipal land acquisition disposition", "start": 9320.439, "end": 9327.72}, {"text": "partnership um and Visa V our other uh priorities as a municipality as it", "start": 9327.72, "end": 9333.24}, {"text": "relates to increasing the number of not for-profit affordable housing units so thank you again for your um presentation", "start": 9333.24, "end": 9339.72}, {"text": "thanks you thank you counselor uh counselor Francis followed by councelor", "start": 9339.72, "end": 9345.16}, {"text": "MCM councelor Francis please thanks Jer Dano and congratulations David this is a success story and a success a successful", "start": 9345.16, "end": 9352.56}, {"text": "partnership with yourself and the previous term of council and especially uh former counselor marula and his", "start": 9352.56, "end": 9358.479}, {"text": "leadership and outside of the box thinking on this uh file and I've been there I took a I took a tour with W for", "start": 9358.479, "end": 9364.8}, {"text": "counselor Tammy Wang and it's a fantastic addition and a beautiful building and I just want to get an", 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that", "start": 9444, "end": 9449.76}, {"text": "money out of the budget and I think it is money out of the budget but if we don't start it was never going into the budget um and this you know we get very", "start": 9449.76, "end": 9457.08}, {"text": "circular about how this stuff gets done but um whatever the de development charges are that were waved and and you", "start": 9457.08, "end": 9462.52}, {"text": "know you'll hear from us again because we're back coming back to you for our final phase shortly of tow houses for the my home program um but uh you know", "start": 9462.52, "end": 9471.279}, {"text": "our the the payback on this whether it's four years or 5 years or 6 years to the city then that Revenue stream exists in", "start": 9471.279, "end": 9478.439}, {"text": "perpetuity and you have the housing it's not just a financial transaction this is", "start": 9478.439, "end": 9483.72}, {"text": "transformational for this neighborhood um so uh hopefully we can find more ways to do it together um and I think if the", "start": 9483.72, "end": 9490.96}, {"text": "if what you know and if anyone wants to talk offline and if this is for staff and you know I will tell you very", "start": 9490.96, "end": 9496.399}, {"text": "directly what what made the difference here and it was the DC waivers it is not a DC reduction it is not a partial DC", "start": 9496.399, "end": 9503.16}, {"text": "this and it is not a you know we can't do this at 100% AMR this will not work", "start": 9503.16, "end": 9509.04}, {"text": "we can't do it no private sector person can build for 100% AMR on existing rents", "start": 9509.04, "end": 9514.8}, {"text": "it just won't work so DC waivers all those other tools make a huge difference and I don't think you need to leave that", "start": 9514.8, "end": 9520.72}, {"text": "open-ended so the city gets swamped with applications that it can't afford set a limit and sent what what we need um and", "start": 9520.72, "end": 9527.439}, {"text": "then you know and stop it and take a breather um but the you know the fact is that that we're doing this we we got it", "start": 9527.439, "end": 9533.399}, {"text": "done and this was a very effective program um so I I I just want to repeat", "start": 9533.399, "end": 9538.479}, {"text": "that that uh what we've done here is it wasn't we like to think we brought some unique stuff to the table but um", "start": 9538.479, "end": 9544.56}, {"text": "recognizing this was the right the right group with the right group at the right time but all of this can be", "start": 9544.56, "end": 9550.64}, {"text": "repeated great I appreciate that comprehensive answer and uh thank you for articulating that for me and I look", "start": 9550.64, "end": 9556.479}, {"text": "forward to seeing what the future brings and thank you for investing in Hamilton thanks thank you counselor uh final", "start": 9556.479, "end": 9562.439}, {"text": "speaker councelor MCM please thanks I think I need a lawyer for this", "start": 9562.439, "end": 9569.04}, {"text": "one through the chair I I remember those years with funds David thank you and uh", "start": 9569.08, "end": 9575.2}, {"text": "uh it's true that none of us is as smart as all of us and we U need to make a commitment to continuing to learn from", "start": 9575.2, "end": 9581.88}, {"text": "each other when you mention uh com complex challenges uh hurdles Etc", "start": 9581.88, "end": 9590.12}, {"text": "um councelor Wilson's comments about whatever you can deposit for us so that", "start": 9590.12, "end": 9595.279}, {"text": "we can benefit from that learning would be helpful so thank you for all of that it's nice to hear a success story every", "start": 9595.279, "end": 9601.6}, {"text": "once in a while and to learn from them and U my final comment is thanks for the beautiful building in um my hometown of", "start": 9601.6, "end": 9609.96}, {"text": "Dundas terrific um through the chair one quick comment just uh thank you Ted we really appreciate it I'm very proud of", "start": 9609.96, "end": 9616}, {"text": "that one it started as a partnership with Charlie jinsky a blessed member um he would be pleased that it's", "start": 9616, "end": 9621.68}, {"text": "finished but mad that it took so damn long um and uh pardon me um and I also", "start": 9621.68, "end": 9626.88}, {"text": "want to mention that while we were on a tour uh last week of the roxor project with uh a couple counselors and some", "start": 9626.88, "end": 9632.92}, {"text": "staff and uh and her worship um it was not lost on any of us that while we were touring what was going up literally a", "start": 9632.92, "end": 9639.84}, {"text": "building was coming down in the core so it doesn't have to be that way so anyway I really appreciate the chance to", "start": 9639.84, "end": 9645.84}, {"text": "delegate thanks for your partnership and thanks for uh for all your continued hard work on this file", "start": 9645.84, "end": 9651.8}, {"text": "thanks thank you uh no further speakers so moving on thank you for your", "start": 9651.8, "end": 9657.6}, {"text": "delegation and answering questions from committee um so we're going to receive", "start": 9657.6, "end": 9663.2}, {"text": "all of this set of delegations I believe I already had a move no uh mover a", "start": 9663.2, "end": 9668.8}, {"text": "seconder to receive the delegations moved by councelor Wang seconded by counselor spatap for all in favor or", "start": 9668.8, "end": 9676.08}, {"text": "opposed", "start": 9676.08, "end": 9679.08}, {"text": "that carries unanimously uh moving on to item 7.4 this is a delegation from Brian sibi", "start": 9698.72, "end": 9706.04}, {"text": "from Hamilton East Kanis nonprofit homes Inc respecting items 10.2 and 10.3 these", "start": 9706.04, "end": 9712.279}, {"text": "are reports relating to the service manager's consent to encumber the following properties owned and operated", "start": 9712.279, "end": 9718.64}, {"text": "by ku's", "start": 9718.64, "end": 9721.318}, {"text": "homes for", "start": 9738.16, "end": 9742.16}, {"text": "whenever you're ready Brian thank", "start": 9795, "end": 9800.2}, {"text": "you uh good day Mr chair I was going to say mayor vth but I", "start": 9800.2, "end": 9805.52}, {"text": "don't see you here members of council uh City staff members of the public uh thank you for", "start": 9805.52, "end": 9812.2}, {"text": "allowing me to make this presentation today uh my name is Brian sibl I'm uh executive director of Hamilton East", "start": 9812.2, "end": 9818.359}, {"text": "Kanas nonprofit homes today I'm going to be referencing uh two reports that you have in your package one is in relation", "start": 9818.359, "end": 9825.8}, {"text": "to uh our request to encumber our end of mortgage properties at East Avenue North", "start": 9825.8, "end": 9831.399}, {"text": "and fton Avenue North in W 3 and uh our second report is in relation to", "start": 9831.399, "end": 9837.64}, {"text": "encumbering our properties at 71 Sanford Avenue North in ward 3 to complete a", "start": 9837.64, "end": 9842.88}, {"text": "deep energy", "start": 9842.88, "end": 9845.438}, {"text": "retrofit just want to briefly uh explain who we are for those of you who don't know uh Hamilton East quanas nonprofit", "start": 9848.64, "end": 9855.479}, {"text": "homes is a registered charitable organization that has provided housing uh to the people of Hamilton since 1982", "start": 9855.479, "end": 9862.56}, {"text": "we currently operate approximately 1100 units of social housing in the region", "start": 9862.56, "end": 9868.68}, {"text": "the value of our current assets is about $225 million we have a current mortgage", "start": 9868.68, "end": 9875.16}, {"text": "debt of approximately $23 million which puts our Equity to debt ratio of about", "start": 9875.16, "end": 9883.12}, {"text": "10.2% Quan's homes has established two primary priorities", "start": 9885, "end": 9890.2}, {"text": "uh for the next 5 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holder is", "start": 10046.399, "end": 10054}, {"text": "cmhc so we're encumbering the property to cmhc who's already the second who's", "start": 10054, "end": 10059.439}, {"text": "already the mortgage holder so they're going in second place right the funds requested from the city of Hamilton is", "start": 10059.439, "end": 10065.279}, {"text": "none the impact on existing residents will be for us to increase increase their level of comfort and lower the", "start": 10065.279, "end": 10071.08}, {"text": "utility costs the risk to the property is none and the impact for the city of Hamilton from this property is the lower", "start": 10071.08, "end": 10078}, {"text": "energy consumption by 35% and an 86% lowering of greenhouse gas", "start": 10078, "end": 10084.88}, {"text": "emissions for the last 40 years kuan's homes has been a strong consistent", "start": 10085.76, "end": 10091.68}, {"text": "partner with the city of Hamilton we've worked dilig diligently to demonstrate how important 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process of completing 5 are you including the ones on upper ww worth yes", "start": 10144.08, "end": 10150.92}, {"text": "so uh the 1,000 is including uh the one on upper wenworth that's right uh uh", "start": 10150.92, "end": 10156.439}, {"text": "through the chair if I can respond councelor Paul um yes so right now that we've completed 60 units of 68 corn we've uh uh have 50", "start": 10156.439, "end": 10165.8}, {"text": "units of seniors housing in Ward one at 1880 Main Street West we have a building", "start": 10165.8, "end": 10171.399}, {"text": "permit submitted for 124 units at uh at uh uh in w 7 at 1540 upper W Street uh", "start": 10171.399, "end": 10179.92}, {"text": "we have the property at uh 1362 Bart Street East East which will be 60 units in Ward four for senior's housing we", "start": 10179.92, "end": 10187.8}, {"text": "have uh 200 units of uh of uh for plexes", "start": 10187.8, "end": 10193.84}, {"text": "that are in the process where the uh we hope to break ground 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complexes down uh those tow houses and I'm looking forward", "start": 10246.92, "end": 10252.319}, {"text": "for you to start building them so U thank you", "start": 10252.319, "end": 10257.399}, {"text": "thanks thank you counselor councelor n thank you through you chair Dana thank", "start": 10257.399, "end": 10263.56}, {"text": "you Brian for being here and and presenting if I could just get a little line of sight on uh request number two", "start": 10263.56, "end": 10270.16}, {"text": "much needed retrofits for that building uh our office is in contact with Kanan", "start": 10270.16, "end": 10276.319}, {"text": "often in terms of helping uh get their needs met in that building and some of the concerns they're in so can you tell", "start": 10276.319, "end": 10282.88}, {"text": "us a little bit about uh those deep energy retrofits what will that turn into what will that look like for the", "start": 10282.88, "end": 10288.64}, {"text": "tenants who live in the building and what is your rough timeline should this get approved", "start": 10288.64, "end": 10294}, {"text": "today so I I just want to be clear here that that site is two buildings 21", "start": 10294, "end": 10299.279}, {"text": "Sanford Avenue North 71 Sanford Avenue North this uh deep energy retrofit is for 71 Sanford Avenue North um the plan", "start": 10299.279, "end": 10307.72}, {"text": "there is to to uh completely change the exterior of the building uh to increase", "start": 10307.72, "end": 10314.279}, {"text": "the Energy Efficiency uh to add cooling as well as uh Heating in the building we'll be", "start": 10314.279, "end": 10320.92}, {"text": "moving away from um uh primarily res relying on gas to uh heat pumps in each", "start": 10320.92, "end": 10328}, {"text": "of those units uh so uh new new appliances new windows new doors uh", "start": 10328, "end": 10335.08}, {"text": "accessibility in the building will be a 30% Energy Efficiency will be to uh you", "start": 10335.08, "end": 10340.64}, {"text": "know exceptionally high standards I laid it out the 30 30% energy reduction and 86% greenhous gas emissions um so that", "start": 10340.64, "end": 10350}, {"text": "building will be a high performing top-of-the-line building at 71 Sanford the other thing that'll be happening as", "start": 10350, "end": 10356}, {"text": "part of that project is uh entire roof replacement at 21 Sanford including a", "start": 10356, "end": 10361.359}, {"text": "solar uh solar uh Farm uh which is approximately a $1.4", "start": 10361.359, "end": 10366.76}, {"text": "million investment in that building great thank you and final question was around timeline should this all be yeah", "start": 10366.76, "end": 10372.84}, {"text": "the uh timeline is uh 18 months from when we start thank you great thanks", "start": 10372.84, "end": 10378.12}, {"text": "those are my questions thank you counselor uh no further speakers thank you Brian for your delegation great", "start": 10378.12, "end": 10384.6}, {"text": "thank you uh need a move in a seconder to receive uh the delegation moved by", "start": 10384.6, "end": 10390.56}, {"text": "councelor uh mayor horv second by counselor Pauls", "start": 10390.56, "end": 10396.279}, {"text": "that carries unanimously thank you item 7.5 a delegation from Shan Barack", "start": 10420.72, "end": 10427.239}, {"text": "respecting Al item 11.3 ensuring Public Safety and the Pres preservation of", "start": 10427.239, "end": 10432.479}, {"text": "Hamilton's built environment uh Sean if you're in person I see", "start": 10432.479, "end": 10440.921}, {"text": "you and just um while we're preparing for the delegation this is our last", "start": 10444.04, "end": 10449.56}, {"text": "delegation this morning and seeing as just afternoon uh we do have the staff", "start": 10449.56, "end": 10455.04}, {"text": "presentation on the housing sustainability investment road map all staff is here so I'm going to suggest", "start": 10455.04, "end": 10460.68}, {"text": "that we do this delegation and we proceed with item", "start": 10460.68, "end": 10465.88}, {"text": "8.1 um and discussion and then after following that we'll break for we'll", "start": 10465.88, "end": 10472.6}, {"text": "we'll take a break for lunch Sean welcome hello thank", "start": 10472.6, "end": 10481.239}, {"text": "you um I'm going to thank you I'm going to read from my script to try and stay", "start": 10481.239, "end": 10487.08}, {"text": "on time so I oliz for the lack of eye contact um why are we here I don't mean", "start": 10487.08, "end": 10493.68}, {"text": "existentially I mean why are we here in this room each of us has our own reasons but I assume that most people here share", "start": 10493.68, "end": 10498.92}, {"text": "at least partially in my reasoning which is that we love this city and want to be a part of making it the best place to live why am I here today I'm here to", "start": 10498.92, "end": 10506.68}, {"text": "discuss a situation where a building that faces our Central Public Square fell over onto the sidewalk I don't own", "start": 10506.68, "end": 10512.72}, {"text": "this building I don't profit financially from its existence but I'm one of hundreds of thousands of citizens who", "start": 10512.72, "end": 10517.8}, {"text": "benefits from the existence of the built Heritage that knits together the core of our city and provides a sense of place", "start": 10517.8, "end": 10523.76}, {"text": "that we all take pride in who isn't here today uh Houston business space", "start": 10523.76, "end": 10530.479}, {"text": "Corporation this is the new name for the same old corporate owner who has been the caretaker for this stretch for over", "start": 10530.479, "end": 10536.68}, {"text": "20 years managed by David Blanchard many people have been extremely upset at the city over the", "start": 10536.68, "end": 10543.239}, {"text": "situation with these buildings Clerk's uh asking me to", "start": 10543.239, "end": 10548.76}, {"text": "step sorry through the deputy mayor just uh with the procedural bylaw in mind not", "start": 10548.76, "end": 10555.64}, {"text": "mentioning we're going to try to keep names yes we're g to try to keep you and", "start": 10558.439, "end": 10564.279}, {"text": "us free from liability so yeah please refrain from uh naming specific parties", "start": 10564.279, "end": 10569.84}, {"text": "thank you okay uh many people have been extremely upset at the city over the situation", "start": 10569.84, "end": 10575.68}, {"text": "with these buildings policing blame on Council or stff or management or policy or process but", "start": 10575.68, "end": 10580.92}, {"text": "I'm here to say that it's not really the city's fault there has been one party that's been a consistent contributed to", "start": 10580.92, "end": 10586.56}, {"text": "the issue for over a decade and that's the owner of the property can I say the owner of the property yes thank you", "start": 10586.56, "end": 10591.76}, {"text": "thank you uh this collapse wasn't a spontaneous Act of God this happened because the neglect of the owners of the", "start": 10591.76, "end": 10598.08}, {"text": "past Dozen Years in 2011 the owners raised alarms by performing an unannounced demolition of the first of this stretch of intact Street wall from", "start": 10598.08, "end": 10605.08}, {"text": "that day forward the owners uh claimed that the buildings were an imminent risk of collapse and had to be torn down in", "start": 10605.08, "end": 10612.68}, {"text": "2012 I interviewed one of the uh principles of this of the owner", "start": 10612.68, "end": 10618.239}, {"text": "Consortium and was told you know they're going to give me trouble maybe demolishing some of that stuff uh the", "start": 10618.239, "end": 10625.279}, {"text": "only reason we're doing anything now is because the interest rates are low and because those buildings have had it they've just had it and there's no sense", "start": 10625.279, "end": 10631}, {"text": "spending any more money on them they really are done that was a quote at the time and I took some pictures that day", "start": 10631, "end": 10638.2}, {"text": "in 2012 which is now 12 years ago um all of these pictures show buildings", "start": 10638.2, "end": 10646.16}, {"text": "that are not an imminent uh risk of collapse uh they were fully tenanted", "start": 10646.16, "end": 10654.319}, {"text": "functional buildings uh there's a motion before you today about uh the issue of collapsing", "start": 10654.319, "end": 10660.68}, {"text": "buildings in the future and I will say the words that are not in that motion and that's demolition by", "start": 10660.68, "end": 10666.239}, {"text": "neglect these buildings were opened to the elements by the owners and allowed to", "start": 10666.239, "end": 10673.08}, {"text": "deteriorate over time when I first requested to delegate today there was still one fully intact building standing", "start": 10673.08, "end": 10679.08}, {"text": "again I walked around it and could clearly see as I did in 20 that there's in no no way this building was at", "start": 10679.08, "end": 10684.56}, {"text": "imminent risk of collapse uh so I initially came here to ask that this last building be preserved and we paused", "start": 10684.56, "end": 10691.239}, {"text": "the work on the site to make time for public discourse over the future of Gore Park arguably the most important public", "start": 10691.239, "end": 10697.479}, {"text": "space in our city City but as I stand here talking right now there are machines on site already ripping this", "start": 10697.479, "end": 10702.72}, {"text": "last building down I beg you to walk over today and look at what is happening I watched yesterday as an operator rip the front", "start": 10702.72, "end": 10709.2}, {"text": "off this designated building with no City staff present no Heritage experts no building inspectors no Engineers well", "start": 10709.2, "end": 10715.239}, {"text": "at the same time I was told over the phone by the GM of planning that the entire process was approved by the city based 100% on structural reports but", "start": 10715.239, "end": 10722.279}, {"text": "these reports were generated by the company that owns the buildings and has an interest in having them demolished", "start": 10722.279, "end": 10728.84}, {"text": "uh but demolition is not a prerequisite for safety here's an example of a prudent approach to Historic facade preservation", "start": 10728.84, "end": 10735.12}, {"text": "and protection of the public through hoarding and scaffold stabilization here's another uh they are not in some", "start": 10735.12, "end": 10740.92}, {"text": "Far Away lande these are just down the road in Toronto uh but that's not what's happening at Gore Park this", "start": 10740.92, "end": 10746.64}, {"text": "week ecdev says the facade elements are being removed for preservation but these Heritage elements chipped and broken", "start": 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"know how to do this here uh I know the Can I have one more minute I know", "start": 10788.479, "end": 10795.72}, {"text": "the motion before you today is not specific to the Gore Park buildings however it is directly because of these buildings and the mistreatment of them", "start": 10795.72, "end": 10801.319}, {"text": "by the owner uh that we have this motion today I'm imploring Council to figure out a way today to get the demolition", "start": 10801.319, "end": 10807.319}, {"text": "equipment off the property secure the site for safety and create an opportunity for public discourse over the future of this site the remaining", "start": 10807.319, "end": 10813.72}, {"text": "building which is here in Blue uh represents almost 50% of the built form of this block and 90% of that building", "start": 10813.72, "end": 10819.52}, {"text": "still stands right now if we can get the equipment off of that site it could be possible to save", "start": 10819.52, "end": 10825.239}, {"text": "it um I don't intend to offer long-term Solutions today but I would love to be a", "start": 10825.239, "end": 10830.8}, {"text": "part of the discourse along with all interested hamiltonians so that we can find a solution for the best outcome for Citizens and this can only happen if we", "start": 10830.8, "end": 10837.479}, {"text": "halt demolition today have these conversations in the coming months right here in this room together uh to in the", "start": 10837.479, "end": 10844.399}, {"text": "interest of the uh Public Square of our city and the enjoyment of all hamiltonians above the profit of a", "start": 10844.399, "end": 10850.64}, {"text": "single owner thank you thank you Sean um not seeing any questions from committee", "start": 10850.64, "end": 10856.52}, {"text": "but I'm sure there will be a a debate and uh additional questions to staff when we do get to that item on the", "start": 10856.52, "end": 10863.52}, {"text": "agenda thank you for your time thank you uh moover in a 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"city is investing nearly $215 per capita in housing and homelessness through this", "start": 11515.479, "end": 11521.399}, {"text": "approval of the 2024 budget and a series of additional in-year approvals the city is projecting investment in housing and", "start": 11521.399, "end": 11527.6}, {"text": "homelessness to Total approximately $186 million 39 million or 27% more than in", "start": 11527.6, "end": 11535.8}, {"text": "2023 this will fund 67% of the total Investments two times what the federal", "start": 11535.8, "end": 11541.359}, {"text": "and provincial governments have committed to these investments will support the construction of new", "start": 11541.359, "end": 11546.76}, {"text": "affordable housing and shelter spaces it protects tenants and sustains housing", "start": 11546.76, "end": 11551.88}, {"text": "providers and reduces homelessness I would encourage everybody to uh to and the public to uh look at", "start": 11551.88, "end": 11560.279}, {"text": "this website 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change Reserve funding program offered by the city's climate change office we're creating streamlined", "start": 11818.239, "end": 11824.56}, {"text": "processes for organizations to demonstrate the city's support for applications to the Federation of", "start": 11824.56, "end": 11830.439}, {"text": "Canadian municipality funding programs we're discussing how to support non for-profit housing providers with", "start": 11830.439, "end": 11837.16}, {"text": "procuring Surplus Municipal lands for affordable housing in partnership with the corporate real estate office and the", "start": 11837.16, "end": 11842.68}, {"text": "municipal lands de uh Development Office the city is partnering with social Innovation Canada as you heard today and", "start": 11842.68, "end": 11849.76}, {"text": "as well I as the Director of the housing Secretariat uh am participating at the Coalition of Hamilton indigenous uh", "start": 11849.76, "end": 11856.6}, {"text": "leaders table in partnership with my 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repairs needed and the insufficient funding on hand I'm happy to share that as of", "start": 11940.52, "end": 11947.399}, {"text": "October 30th 31st 430 of the 476 are fully completed and occupied with", "start": 11947.399, "end": 11955.12}, {"text": "the with the remaining 46 being restored actively today we are definitely on track to meet this", "start": 11955.12, "end": 11960.88}, {"text": "goal I'm also happy to share that as of October 31st City housing Hamilton actually has housed 676 households to", "start": 11960.88, "end": 11969.16}, {"text": "date uh that compares to 559 in total in uh 2023 444 in total in 2022 and as far", "start": 11969.16, "end": 11977.279}, {"text": "back as I could find data this looks like it may be a record for CH and as part of a I have an updated", "start": 11977.279, "end": 11984.6}, {"text": "number to share as part of a comprehensive vacancy management plan approved by the board in April 2023 and", "start": 11984.6, "end": 11990.92}, {"text": "in spite of a vacancy rate which was hovering around 9% at that time chh set", "start": 11990.92, "end": 11996.08}, {"text": "a goal to reduce its attritional vacancy rate to 2% by the end of 2024 as of October 31st the vacancy rate is 3.49", "start": 11996.08, "end": 12004.68}, {"text": "and we believe we are on track to meet our Target for the end of the year what the numbers do not tell you is", "start": 12004.68, "end": 12011.04}, {"text": "the higher standard we have applied to turning our vacant units into homes to welcoming homes where people can be", "start": 12011.04, "end": 12016.72}, {"text": "proud We have modernized the Aesthetics we have chosen more sustainable and longer Life Products and we've improved", "start": 12016.72, "end": 12022.12}, {"text": "in unit accessibility throughout this process so I really want to close by just thanking City of Hamilton Council", "start": 12022.12, "end": 12027.72}, {"text": "and staff the board of directors for City housing Hamilton my leadership team and of course the staff at city city", "start": 12027.72, "end": 12033.479}, {"text": "housing Hamilton for this exemplary achievement", "start": 12033.479, "end": 12039.64}, {"text": "[Applause] yes thanks Adam and thanks everybody for the Applause I'm going to now pass it", "start": 12039.84, "end": 12046.399}, {"text": "over to uh my colleague Anita fback uh Chief planner Anita over to you good", "start": 12046.399, "end": 12052.8}, {"text": "afternoon everyone Anita feack I'm the acting director of planning and chief planner um the thank you uh there's a", "start": 12052.8, "end": 12060.199}, {"text": "number of initiatives that the division has been working on and and undertaken", "start": 12060.199, "end": 12065.92}, {"text": "or completed over the last year and all of these are really focused on uh supporting the building of new homes or", "start": 12065.92, "end": 12071.76}, {"text": "protecting our ex existing rental housing stock uh one of those is the 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um over the past year licensing and byof", "start": 12321.88, "end": 12327.84}, {"text": "services has really played an integral role in housing and it's not an area that we typically were involved in so", "start": 12327.84, "end": 12333.8}, {"text": "the work that we've been able to roll out over the past year is something that my team is very proud of so as you'll", "start": 12333.8, "end": 12339}, {"text": "recall in 20124 Council approved the Hamilton apartment rental program this", "start": 12339, "end": 12344.08}, {"text": "was a comprehensive report which outlined a suite of options to address bad faith evictions and together it was", "start": 12344.08, "end": 12350}, {"text": "known as harp the program implemented a four prong approach first it included", "start": 12350, "end": 12356.92}, {"text": "enhancements to our Property Standards and vital Services bylaws which are currently in place second it included", "start": 12356.92, "end": 12363.56}, {"text": "amendments to our rental housing pilot program which changed the definition to include rental properties of five units", "start": 12363.56, "end": 12369.88}, {"text": "or less opposed to four units Le or less and this two-year pilot is still underway inwards eight in parts of 14 it", "start": 12369.88, "end": 12377.279}, {"text": "plans on concluding at December 2025 following which staff will bring back a", "start": 12377.279, "end": 12382.359}, {"text": "recommendation third was the creation of a safe apartment bylaw that regulates apartment buildings and Property", "start": 12382.359, "end": 12388.68}, {"text": "Standards which will come into effect in January 2026 and fourth was the creation of the", "start": 12388.68, "end": 12394.64}, {"text": "first in Ontario renovation and relocation bylaw since this passed by", "start": 12394.64, "end": 12399.76}, {"text": "Council my team has taken Monumental steps to hire staff and to build an entirely new team in the next couple of", "start": 12399.76, "end": 12406.72}, {"text": "weeks during December and January you will begin to see the education and engagement portion of this program roll", "start": 12406.72, "end": 12412.84}, {"text": "out this will include the website the forms and the information packages that will be available to all members of the", "start": 12412.84, "end": 12419.359}, {"text": "public and advise the community of the new bylaw following which we will be undertaking our applications what we", "start": 12419.359, "end": 12426.88}, {"text": "accomplished this year was staff's best effort to utilize Municipal levers to address bad faith evictions and thereby", "start": 12426.88, "end": 12434.199}, {"text": "improving housing security for tenants preserving existing rental housing stock and ensuring that the city's rental", "start": 12434.199, "end": 12440.6}, {"text": "housing stock remains in a good state of repair this wouldn't have been possible without the hard work of many many", "start": 12440.6, "end": 12447}, {"text": "members that are in this room as well as my team so I'm going to give a shout out to them because I know they're watching so thank you very much uh to everyone in", "start": 12447, "end": 12453.52}, {"text": "this room and to everyone tuning in we would have not been able to accomplish this without them thank", "start": 12453.52, "end": 12459.279}, {"text": "you thanks [Applause] Monica thanks Monica and our next", "start": 12460.359, "end": 12465.8}, {"text": "present is uh my colleague Jessica chase the director of communications Jess over", "start": 12465.8, "end": 12470.84}, {"text": "to you thank you Jessica Chase I'm the acting director of communications and engagement uh thanks so much Justin um", "start": 12470.84, "end": 12478.319}, {"text": "so as Justin mentioned earlier um there is a tremendous amount of work that's happening across the city to address the", "start": 12478.319, "end": 12484.08}, {"text": "housing challenges that our community faces and it's critically important that we take the time to inform the community", "start": 12484.08, "end": 12490.439}, {"text": "of those various initiatives as well as to celebrate the successes that are happening across the city um one of the", "start": 12490.439, "end": 12495.92}, {"text": "things things that I'm really excited to share was that earlier this fall we launched a dedicated web page", "start": 12495.92, "end": 12503.359}, {"text": "hamilton.com that web page acts as a landing space uh for all of the various", "start": 12503.52, "end": 12508.84}, {"text": "housing initiatives that are happening right across the corporation across all divisions and departments uh really I", "start": 12508.84, "end": 12515.12}, {"text": "think demonstrating the whole of Hamilton approach that uh that I know has been talked about today the other", "start": 12515.12, "end": 12520.6}, {"text": "thing that that web page does it is also demonstrates um in a graphical format uh", "start": 12520.6, 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crisis contributing to a complex and Urgent problem we have a growing", "start": 12729.479, "end": 12737.239}, {"text": "population of seniors many of whom need Specialized Care that cannot be provided", "start": 12737.239, "end": 12742.319}, {"text": "by standard housing options The Province faces a significant shortage of long-term care beds with demands", "start": 12742.319, "end": 12749.52}, {"text": "outpacing Supply over 45,000 people are waiting for a long-term care bed which", "start": 12749.52, "end": 12756}, {"text": "leaves many seniors either in hospital beds occupying an acute care bed when", "start": 12756, "end": 12761.08}, {"text": "not needed or living in unsuitable environments for their care needs", "start": 12761.08, "end": 12766.12}, {"text": "Ontario Hamilton everywhere needs a significant increase in long-term care beds to meet current and future demand", "start": 12766.12, "end": 12774.439}, {"text": "this includes building new long-term care facilities and 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children's and Community Services over to you Brenda thank you Justin Brenda", "start": 12822.88, "end": 12829.12}, {"text": "Back acting director of children's and Community Services our division is responsible for creating new child care", "start": 12829.12, "end": 12835.68}, {"text": "spaces that are affordable and accessible under the Canada wide Early Learning and child care plan our staff", "start": 12835.68, "end": 12841.52}, {"text": "team created an access and inclusion framework to support the creation of new spaces across all Wards between 2023 to", "start": 12841.52, "end": 12849.76}, {"text": "2026 I'm proud to participate on the housing Secretariat steering committee it's through these convers ations and", "start": 12849.76, "end": 12856.319}, {"text": "working collaboratively with City staff across a number of Divisions and departments that supports that supported", "start": 12856.319, "end": 12862.399}, {"text": "us to leverage opportunities and funding and one example 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{"text": "part of um these committees we always keep the urban IND strategy in mind and", "start": 13308.68, "end": 13315.04}, {"text": "look for opportunities to implement them thank you me", "start": 13315.04, "end": 13319.64}, {"text": "[Applause] W Chim witch Kate um our next presenter", "start": 13320.94, "end": 13326.6}, {"text": "is uh Nick witchers director of Hamilton water Nick thank you very much Justin uh", "start": 13326.6, "end": 13333.359}, {"text": "so I can say it's been an honor to represent public works as a member of the hsir IR steering committee over the", "start": 13333.359, "end": 13340.279}, {"text": "past year uh as council's aware Hamilton Waters is always at the table when it comes to discussions about housing uh", "start": 13340.279, "end": 13347.239}, {"text": "because without water and wastewater servicing uh that housing simply doesn't get built with that said there are many", "start": 13347.239, "end": 13354.359}, {"text": "ongoing initiatives within 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housing projects across the Continuum in addition staff", "start": 14444.159, "end": 14449.399}, {"text": "have uh completed the annual report due to cmhc indicating the progress made towards the goals uh specified in the", "start": 14449.399, "end": 14456.399}, {"text": "funding agreement we are anticipating receipt of the second allocation of 23.5 million for the the second year in the", "start": 14456.399, "end": 14463.239}, {"text": "coming", "start": 14463.239, "end": 14465.561}, {"text": "weeks and some of you are very interested in this one I know counselor Meen Wilson might be um the acquisition", "start": 14468.76, "end": 14476}, {"text": "pillar of the hsir has been emphasized due to research that for every new affordable rental unit that was being", "start": 14476, "end": 14482.72}, {"text": "built the city of Hamilton was losing 23 affordable units through inflation of rents large rent increases for vacant", "start": 14482.72, "end": 14490.12}, {"text": "rental units and 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on this type of project a process to evaluate projects and to evaluate how effective the", "start": 14614.239, "end": 14620.439}, {"text": "projects have been staff will also be analyzing the option of conducting a feasibility study of the creation of the", "start": 14620.439, "end": 14627.68}, {"text": "of of a hamilton-based social debenture Municipal bomb program to support affordable and Supportive Housing units", "start": 14627.68, "end": 14634.399}, {"text": "unit construction very quickly to get through the um and I'm sure you're all getting", "start": 14634.399, "end": 14641.479}, {"text": "sick of hearing me talk but we'll keep going through this so very quickly to get through the uh proposed program of", "start": 14641.479, "end": 14646.96}, {"text": "work for 2025 it's included in appendix B to the report and in many cases is the", "start": 14646.96, "end": 14652.84}, {"text": "continuation and Improvement of some of the accomplishes accomplishments from 2024 there are six main themes in our", "start": 14652.84, "end": 14660.199}, {"text": "program of work with specific goals within each one housing secretary at division is number one so continue to", "start": 14660.199, "end": 14666.64}, {"text": "develop capacity there continued collaboration with internal and external stakeholders continue to expand", "start": 14666.64, "end": 14673.399}, {"text": "governance structure to include indigenous stakeholders number two Advance affordable and Supportive", "start": 14673.399, "end": 14679.12}, {"text": "Housing projects so implement the finance and acquisition plan continue to to identify sources of funding leverage", "start": 14679.12, "end": 14686.159}, {"text": "all available Municipal mechanisms to advance pre-qualified projects just", "start": 14686.159, "end": 14691.399}, {"text": "going to take a sip of water conduct a review of Municipal", "start": 14691.399, "end": 14697.12}, {"text": "funds uh received from upper levels of government to ensure maximum benefit continue to identify Municipal lands for", "start": 14697.12, "end": 14703.479}, {"text": "affordable housing development and Implement implementation of the hsir reserve number three program", "start": 14703.479, "end": 14710.8}, {"text": "improvements continued implementation of the housing accelerator fund and the affordable housing development project", "start": 14710.8, "end": 14716.76}, {"text": "stream and leverage the data from the housing needs", "start": 14716.76, "end": 14721.64}, {"text": "assessment number four program enhancements continued implementation of housing accelerator fund as I said", "start": 14721.88, "end": 14728.279}, {"text": "before leverage the data from the housing needs assessment as well um and then number five oversight of existing", "start": 14728.279, "end": 14735.08}, {"text": "housing stocks so monitor uh ch's uh 20-year development strategy and be have", "start": 14735.08, "end": 14741.359}, {"text": "and their complimentary action plan monitor progress on the building condition assessments for social housing", "start": 14741.359, "end": 14747.439}, {"text": "providers and continue to monitor end of mortgage agreements continue to advance", "start": 14747.439, "end": 14752.52}, {"text": "for funding and oper operation mam mayor I couldn't say this word the other day", "start": 14752.52, "end": 14759.08}, {"text": "operationalize uh housing with supports um continue number six would be to continue to monitor the needs of", "start": 14759.08, "end": 14765.239}, {"text": "emergency response and homelessness Services System so I'd just like to say I did a", "start": 14765.239, "end": 14772.12}, {"text": "lot of talking today and shared a lot information and I'm sweating as I'm standing up here so um I will pass it", "start": 14772.12, "end": 14778.159}, {"text": "over to all of you for questions but again I would like to give a round of applause to the city of Hamilton and all", "start": 14778.159, "end": 14783.239}, {"text": "staff for the work that we do to bring housing to fruition in our city it's a whole of Hamilton approach so thank you", "start": 14783.239, "end": 14791.159}, {"text": "everybody I'm gonna sit down now CU my leg's com so Justin is going to uh sit down on the bench there I do have a", "start": 14792.72, "end": 14799.68}, {"text": "speakers list uh we will go into a discussion um there is a report but I think this", "start": 14799.68, "end": 14806.52}, {"text": "can be a discussion on the presentation and the report all in one and then we'll", "start": 14806.52, "end": 14811.68}, {"text": "take a break for for lunch so on our speakers list we have councelor Moren Wilson followed by councilors Nan Wang", "start": 14811.68, "end": 14818.56}, {"text": "and Alex Wilson and Paul's uh councelor Marin Wilson please thank you chair uh", "start": 14818.56, "end": 14824.96}, {"text": "first of all just um my uh extreme um appreciation and gratitude for all of", "start": 14824.96, "end": 14830.88}, {"text": "this work I think we heard from our Community Partners uh the importance of a strategic Focus to be intentional to", "start": 14830.88, "end": 14837.399}, {"text": "be disciplined um and to move forward with purpose and I think this gives us", "start": 14837.399, "end": 14843.319}, {"text": "that um I am particularly jazzed as um director Lewis um alluded to um for the", "start": 14843.319, "end": 14850.96}, {"text": "item which is set out in appendix D our finance and acquisition plan um if you", "start": 14850.96, "end": 14857.52}, {"text": "haven't read it read it then read it again and then read it some more it is a", "start": 14857.52, "end": 14862.64}, {"text": "extremely thought full thorough um paper put out by the um housing collaborative", "start": 14862.64, "end": 14870.52}, {"text": "so thank you for that I guess uh without delving into it uh procedurally chair", "start": 14870.52, "end": 14876.68}, {"text": "I'm just trying to 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that report we'll come back with details thank", "start": 14920.239, "end": 14927.6}, {"text": "you director and through the chair thank you", "start": 14927.6, "end": 14933}, {"text": "counselor for the question I think that with the recommendation I think what you're saying with the way the recommendation is written right now", "start": 14933, "end": 14939.239}, {"text": "there's no um I guess there's there's a piece missing that we need to come back maybe", "start": 14939.239, "end": 14945.119}, {"text": "in Q2 of 2025 with the with the final um is that what I think you're getting at", "start": 14945.119, "end": 14953.68}, {"text": "I I'm just thank you through the chair to director Lewis I'm just seeking some sort of", "start": 14953.68, "end": 14959.399}, {"text": "procedural uh insight into this work is going to continue because you've referenced a a a pilot uh it underscores", "start": 14959.399, "end": 14967.479}, {"text": "the urgency um I just don't want anything to be dropped uh that would uh", "start": 14967.479, "end": 14973.72}, {"text": "hamper that so whether it an expressed recommendation or reference to it in the", "start": 14973.72, "end": 14979.52}, {"text": "recommendation is necessary I I'll I'll look to yourself and or the clerk or", "start": 14979.52, "end": 14985.72}, {"text": "both so through the chair I'd be I'd be fine with adding that we we come back in Q2 of", "start": 14985.72, "end": 14991.64}, {"text": "20125 uh to update on this work as well and you are correct counselor this work", "start": 14991.64, "end": 14997.279}, {"text": "does continue it doesn't stop and it is important work we do need to acquire these units and do it soon so yes I", "start": 14997.279, "end": 15004}, {"text": "agree and I think we can make that uh addition to the recommendation thank you um my second", "start": 15004, "end": 15011.52}, {"text": "question is um with respect to the housing needs assessment I just I really", "start": 15011.52, "end": 15017.72}, {"text": "enjoyed reading this um it was very insightful my questions twofold are how", "start": 15017.72, "end": 15024.119}, {"text": "how will this once it's um submitted how will how will it inform our um planning", "start": 15024.119, "end": 15031.199}, {"text": "and our growth strategy and our moving moving forward through the chair to", "start": 15031.199, "end": 15036.6}, {"text": "director Robos show I know there was I think some reference made to it but I'm not sure Chief planner", "start": 15036.6, "end": 15045.238}, {"text": "feck uh through the chair to the counselor so as uh director Lewis indicated there was u a lot of", "start": 15046.08, "end": 15052.64}, {"text": "coordination in terms of the preparation of their housing needs and uh and and", "start": 15052.64, "end": 15058}, {"text": "the housing needs assessment that was released for the inclusionary zoning piece um and so the way that these two", "start": 15058, "end": 15064.439}, {"text": "will they will work together there's a lot of um similarities in terms of the data some of the data that's in the", "start": 15064.439, "end": 15071.88}, {"text": "current report is a little more up to date than the data from the inclusionary zoning work as that was done a couple of", "start": 15071.88, "end": 15077.239}, {"text": "years ago so we would use that um to um uh in our work in terms of the", "start": 15077.239, "end": 15083.239}, {"text": "inclusionary zoning um and then if there were any policy updates that may be", "start": 15083.239, "end": 15088.439}, {"text": "needed coming from the housing needs assessment in front of you today we would take a look at that through um any", "start": 15088.439, "end": 15095.68}, {"text": "updated official plan amendments that we need but there's a lot of uh a lot of similarities in terms of um the review", "start": 15095.68, "end": 15103.319}, {"text": "of those pieces so I don't I don't expect there be um a lot of additional work needed but what 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really", "start": 15145.68, "end": 15151.359}, {"text": "speaks to where our deficit is and in the body of that report it says that we", "start": 15151.359, "end": 15156.92}, {"text": "actually should uh pursue a strategy uh by creating specific uh official plan", "start": 15156.92, "end": 15162.56}, {"text": "policies that identify minimum and maximum proportions in small and larger units that's where I'm looking to see", "start": 15162.56, "end": 15171}, {"text": "given again the urgency and the and the U speed of the market how can we use", "start": 15171, "end": 15178.04}, {"text": "this study to inform our planning uh policies so that we can move with um", "start": 15178.04, "end": 15185.239}, {"text": "some speed in that direction outside of the inclusionary zoning provision this", "start": 15185.239, "end": 15190.439}, {"text": "is this is a a land land use polic policy Provisions I'm looking for comment on through the chair to the", "start": 15190.439, "end": 15196.96}, {"text": "counselor so this work would be uh reviewed and um uh adopted as we work on", "start": 15196.96, "end": 15204}, {"text": "our familyfriendly housing work as well we're we're planning on bringing that forward in 2025 so we would use the work", "start": 15204, "end": 15212.239}, {"text": "that was done here in in concert with the work that we've undertaken to look at What official plan policies and what", "start": 15212.239, "end": 15218.239}, {"text": "zoning regulation updates do we need to undertake to encourage family-sized", "start": 15218.239, "end": 15226.159}, {"text": "units thank you do I have uh time for or I heard a bell but I don't know go ahead", "start": 15226.159, "end": 15232.88}, {"text": "oh okay thank you", "start": 15232.88, "end": 15236.56}, {"text": "um maybe uh I'll just I have one additional question um the there is", "start": 15239.399, "end": 15246.159}, {"text": "reference in the report to the um residences being built student", "start": 15246.159, "end": 15251.479}, {"text": "residences by McMaster and Mohawk uh we've had previous reports", "start": 15251.479, "end": 15258}, {"text": "on uh the the fundamental impact that a aity of residents has had on our overall", "start": 15258, "end": 15264.56}, {"text": "housing system I guess my question through the chair to whomever is uh how is the city engaging uh formally", "start": 15264.56, "end": 15273.88}, {"text": "with the postsecondary institutions uh to ensure we we're coordinating moving forward", "start": 15273.88, "end": 15282.641}, {"text": "through the chair thanks counselor for the question um we haven't formally engaged with them we have been working", "start": 15285.84, "end": 15291.76}, {"text": "with them I think more on reactive meetings and getting information from them but the plan is with the housing", "start": 15291.76, "end": 15298.479}, {"text": "Secretariat that we're going to look to our our colleagues that sit at the the steering committee and work together to", "start": 15298.479, "end": 15303.68}, {"text": "see who's necessary to be at those future meetings and we're going to be setting those up I have made connections", "start": 15303.68, "end": 15309.92}, {"text": "um in the last year uh with individuals from both both of those uh educational", "start": 15309.92, "end": 15315.159}, {"text": "institutions and it is important work so we are looking to formalize that those meetings going forward thank you and", "start": 15315.159, "end": 15321.88}, {"text": "just a closing comment for me I appreciate that um I just want to say I'm I'm so thrilled uh that there is", "start": 15321.88, "end": 15328.319}, {"text": "intentionality being brought uh to knit in available accessible child care in", "start": 15328.319, "end": 15334.159}, {"text": "our um housing work it is so fundamentally critical to um to to have", "start": 15334.159, "end": 15340.279}, {"text": "that uh ingredient uh brought and and recognize its importance uh to our full", 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but that", "start": 15424.96, "end": 15431.68}, {"text": "they're done so in a way that our residents can really digest the information and see very tangibly where", "start": 15431.68, "end": 15437.64}, {"text": "where the funding is going so appreciating that as well um on the", "start": 15437.64, "end": 15442.8}, {"text": "recommendation as it relates to pursuing our funding opportunities and being", "start": 15442.8, "end": 15449.04}, {"text": "Grant ready with fcm if I could just clarify from the director um is this", "start": 15449.04, "end": 15454.92}, {"text": "looking at the green Municipal fund is this looking at um uh turning to fcm in", "start": 15454.92, "end": 15461.8}, {"text": "its advocacy work with the federal government around the release of I don't know another stream of rhi or something", "start": 15461.8, "end": 15468.64}, {"text": "like that thank you through the chair uh thank you counselor for the question I", "start": 15468.64, "end": 15473.88}, {"text": "think it's all of the above to be honest with you and it's really taking a look at the um the projects that have been", "start": 15473.88, "end": 15479.96}, {"text": "submitted through our affordable housing development project stream and where they can utilize those programs some of", "start": 15479.96, "end": 15485.479}, {"text": "those programs within uh fcm the Federation of Canadian municipalities uh offers opportunities for these housing", "start": 15485.479, "end": 15492.84}, {"text": "providers to access funding of up to uh $10 million in some instances which is a", "start": 15492.84, "end": 15498.479}, {"text": "huge amount of financial support for these projects and having these units come to fruition so I would say again", "start": 15498.479, "end": 15504.8}, {"text": "it's all of the above and then some so we're just really going to be looking to uh enhance the way that we work with", "start": 15504.8, "end": 15511.52}, {"text": "them and bring forward a full plan from the city of Hamilton wonderful love to hear that um and then final comment", "start": 15511.52, "end": 15518.279}, {"text": "would be uh related to as we continue to tell our story as we continue to unpack", "start": 15518.279, "end": 15526.439}, {"text": "the magic sauce uh that has come together around this work um there are", "start": 15526.439, "end": 15531.52}, {"text": "opportunities for us to leverage both the Amo um Association as well as the", "start": 15531.52, "end": 15536.84}, {"text": "Federation of Canadian municipalities to do some case workking as other municipalities as it's been indicated", "start": 15536.84, "end": 15543.119}, {"text": "throughout the day have been reaching out uh to get a better sense and understanding of what Hamilton is doing", "start": 15543.119, "end": 15549.319}, {"text": "not that we want to give away all of our secrets we do want to leverage our opportunity right now um but there is", "start": 15549.319, "end": 15555.199}, {"text": "some collective learning that we've also benefited from in terms of municipalities not only in Ontario but", "start": 15555.199, "end": 15561.279}, {"text": "across Canada uh so I'm just going to leave you with that have you thought about using those platforms in that way", "start": 15561.279, "end": 15567.479}, {"text": "in terms of joining the table of best practice uh sharers thank", "start": 15567.479, "end": 15575.681}, {"text": "you through the chair thank you counselor for that question um I think uh with all of the um the organizations", "start": 15577.199, "end": 15585.52}, {"text": "that you have mentioned today uh we are taking that whole of Hamilton approach I would go back to the whole of Hamilton", "start": 15585.52, "end": 15591.72}, {"text": "approach and we're working with government relations team uh as well as the communications team within the city", "start": 15591.72, "end": 15597.159}, {"text": "manager's office and in partnership with the mayor's office and all of you to ensure that we have a full plan going", "start": 15597.159, "end": 15602.84}, {"text": "forward I think that each of those organizations can play a pivotal part in different areas uh to get us out of a", "start": 15602.84, "end": 15609.52}, {"text": "housing crisis and it's really important that we include those things in our plans as we", "start": 15609.52, "end": 15614.92}, {"text": "go thank you counselor councelor Wang followed by councelor Alex Wilson Pauls and", "start": 15614.92, "end": 15621.84}, {"text": "Clark thank you chair I have three questions my first question is as it relates to the affordable housing", "start": 15621.84, "end": 15627.199}, {"text": "development project stream in particular on slide 25 you talk about the municipal", "start": 15627.199, "end": 15632.319}, {"text": "contribution agreements that are in progress I what we heard on Monday at", "start": 15632.319, "end": 15638.319}, {"text": "GIC budget was a delegation from indwell that stated that we need to be placing", "start": 15638.319, "end": 15643.68}, {"text": "more of a focus on that first to the table sort of perspective so I wonder if", "start": 15643.68, "end": 15649.399}, {"text": "you can help me unpack that and just uh drive home the point of how Hamilton is", "start": 15649.399, "end": 15655.359}, {"text": "doing that work and it is already baked into that affordable housing development", "start": 15655.359, "end": 15660.399}, {"text": "project stream through the chair thank you counselor for the question I think it's", "start": 15660.399, "end": 15665.56}, {"text": "a really good question as well um as as you saw in my presentation um the", "start": 15665.56, "end": 15671.239}, {"text": "affordable housing uh project development project stream has had a really good uh impact for us as a city", "start": 15671.239, "end": 15677.159}, {"text": "we have now 42 projects uh that have come through that with over 2500 units", "start": 15677.159, "end": 15682.399}, {"text": "that can be recognized of affordable and Supportive Housing I think when it comes to your question we have issued to uh", "start": 15682.399, "end": 15688.64}, {"text": "all of those housing uh providers or proponents through the open application process letter letters of intent in July", "start": 15688.64, "end": 15695.56}, {"text": "of this year we are now moving forward with the municipal contribution agreements and uh issuing those we're", "start": 15695.56, "end": 15701.6}, {"text": "going through a process everything new requires a process so we're we have a collaborative process with Hamilton's", "start": 15701.6, "end": 15709.04}, {"text": "home and the housing providers to ensure that what we're putting in place makes sense and ensures that housing units are", "start": 15709.04, "end": 15715}, {"text": "coming to fruition and people are being housed so that's really what we're aiming for and I hope that answers your", "start": 15715, "end": 15720.199}, {"text": "question counselor thank you second question um speaking of new things on", "start": 15720.199, "end": 15725.88}, {"text": "slide 30 you spoke about the social debenture program wonder if you can also unpack that a little bit more for us", "start": 15725.88, "end": 15734.521}, {"text": "for sure I think that uh for us when it comes to a finance and acquisition uh", "start": 15736.64, "end": 15743.8}, {"text": "action plan for us as a city we have to look at all opportunities so it's like", "start": 15743.8, "end": 15748.88}, {"text": "we're doing an exercise of lifting every Rock and looking under it to see what kind of opportunities that can present", "start": 15748.88, "end": 15754.199}, {"text": "to us to have units uh come come online and have people uh be housed so a social", "start": 15754.199, "end": 15761.159}, {"text": "debenture framework is something that we are going to be looking at it's not finalized it is something that I have", "start": 15761.159, "end": 15767.359}, {"text": "worked with uh in previous experience at previous municipalities but the idea is", "start": 15767.359, "end": 15772.64}, {"text": "that it's in here to um set an expectation for us uh as colleagues to", "start": 15772.64, "end": 15777.96}, {"text": "look at the feasibility of it for the city of Hamilton because it's not a one-size fits-all type of solution but", "start": 15777.96, "end": 15784.76}, {"text": "it could be a solution in the future so that's really what we're doing with that excellent thank you my last question", "start": 15784.76, "end": 15791.199}, {"text": "then I think would be towards director Chase there was a lot of good news", "start": 15791.199, "end": 15796.319}, {"text": "stories in this particular presentation how are we able to share this um in a", "start": 15796.319, "end": 15801.479}, {"text": "digestible format because not everybody's going to want to read a 40 slide deck um is there a way for us to", "start": 15801.479, "end": 15809.92}, {"text": "maybe see it in an infographic and that way it'll help us as counselors tell this story a little bit easier through", "start": 15809.92, "end": 15816.64}, {"text": "you chair through you chair um so we are actually working on that work um as you", "start": 15816.64, "end": 15822.88}, {"text": "speak uh we're working closely with the Secretariat with Housing Services as well as with government relations um and", "start": 15822.88, "end": 15829.64}, {"text": "are beginning to explore a number of different strategies such as infographics how we can use social media", "start": 15829.64, "end": 15835.04}, {"text": "how we can use videos um those are all ideas that we are exploring at the moment and we're excited to uh to be", "start": 15835.04, "end": 15840.52}, {"text": "able to put together a plan to share those good news stories in a way that is digestible for uh for the", "start": 15840.52, "end": 15847}, {"text": "public thank you counselor uh next speaker is councelor Alex Wilson", "start": 15847, "end": 15852.399}, {"text": "followed by Paul's and Clark thank you through you shair just one question from me um and apologies is I think it's", "start": 15852.399, "end": 15858.319}, {"text": "councelor Wang's first question I'm just going to ask it a little differently because I'm not sure I understood", "start": 15858.319, "end": 15863.359}, {"text": "um I think at the last at the first quarterly update um I asked the question if a group for the affordable housing", "start": 15863.359, "end": 15870.319}, {"text": "development stream needs a $10 million to get the project in the ground that's just a nice number and we're able to give them $2.5 million and we're", "start": 15870.319, "end": 15876.56}, {"text": "committed to doing that quarterly it's going to take them four quarters to get to that 10 we have to be fair we have to", "start": 15876.56, "end": 15882.159}, {"text": "have process how do we know we struck the right balance was I think the question then and I I believe the answer", "start": 15882.159, "end": 15887.279}, {"text": "I got at the time was we're confident that this is where we want to start but we'll evaluate as we go seeing the new", "start": 15887.279, "end": 15893.319}, {"text": "delegated authority but also just wondering how has that been going um didn't necess see that in the", "start": 15893.319, "end": 15898.439}, {"text": "presentation are we finding groups that are now getting their second or third but still aren't getting to development so they'll need a fourth or however many", "start": 15898.439, "end": 15904.439}, {"text": "more um or are things actually getting to shuels in the ground um and just a comment on is this the right number what", "start": 15904.439, "end": 15910.84}, {"text": "changes are being made how is that kind of of conversation about where the right balance is has that how has that progressed since the first", "start": 15910.84, "end": 15916.479}, {"text": "update for sure through the chair uh to the counselor um to give you an update", "start": 15916.479, "end": 15922.199}, {"text": "on that I you know I I've I've given you the number of 42 projects that we had uh", "start": 15922.199, "end": 15927.72}, {"text": "come through the project stream each of those projects are different and need to be managed in a different way as per", "start": 15927.72, "end": 15933.159}, {"text": "we're we're uh governing ourselves in the housing secretaria from the project management Institute five phases of", "start": 15933.159, "end": 15938.479}, {"text": "projects so really some of those projects are in initiation some of them are in planning some of them are in is", "start": 15938.479, "end": 15944.96}, {"text": "uh execution and monitoring some are in close out um so you know we have to look", "start": 15944.96, "end": 15950.52}, {"text": "at each project specifically see where it is in the phase and what we're working with uh legal and Finance on is", "start": 15950.52, "end": 15957.199}, {"text": "the ability through our Municipal contribution agreements to fund the project where it's at to help it", "start": 15957.199, "end": 15962.72}, {"text": "progress to have those units uh come to fruition recognizing that we're not the sole Financial provider of these", "start": 15962.72, "end": 15969.159}, {"text": "projects and recognizing that we only have so much money to be able to work with and I think we're doing that in a", "start": 15969.159, "end": 15975}, {"text": "very um good way and we're doing it in a complimentary way with Hamilton", "start": 15975, "end": 15980.119}, {"text": "Community Foundation and other providers so I think that answers your question counselor it's just each project is", "start": 15980.119, "end": 15986.399}, {"text": "different so I can't give you a blanket statement about that but I can tell you that we are working with each proponent", "start": 15986.399, "end": 15992.239}, {"text": "to make sure that those projects are moving forward thank you I will save my kutos", "start": 15992.239, "end": 15998.359}, {"text": "for an email I think all this work is great that was just the one question I had thank you so much thank you", "start": 15998.359, "end": 16003.399}, {"text": "counselor uh next councelor Paul's please thank you I just have actually one question and um I like all the", "start": 16003.399, "end": 16011.52}, {"text": "achievement 2024 achievement and I see that um we have um repaired", "start": 16011.52, "end": 16019.439}, {"text": "476 units that were in need of repair and we have 430 fully occupied we also", "start": 16019.439, "end": 16027.359}, {"text": "are spending $186 million uh 67% % of", "start": 16027.359, "end": 16032.64}, {"text": "the city uh budget we're you know spending on housing and uh another new", "start": 16032.64, "end": 16038.76}, {"text": "construction we're doing and I see all kinds here I don't want to read them all but I'm wondering what is and I asked", "start": 16038.76, "end": 16045.199}, {"text": "the director um Justin Louis what is the", "start": 16045.199, "end": 16051.159}, {"text": "disconnect when people call me and say there's more encampments there's no more", "start": 16051.159, "end": 16056.479}, {"text": "people in my Park in the Parks they're everywhere we need help and we know that", "start": 16056.479, "end": 16062.72}, {"text": "that has increased can I ask what is the disconnect from building all these", "start": 16062.72, "end": 16069.279}, {"text": "affordable housing all these units have been repaired who are we sending in the", "start": 16069.279, "end": 16074.56}, {"text": "people that call us the people that are upset are the ones that look at people on the", "start": 16074.56, "end": 16080.64}, {"text": "parks so what's the disconnect here why are we applying and the public", "start": 16080.64, "end": 16087.399}, {"text": "is not appalling appalling director bar", "start": 16087.399, "end": 16093.359}, {"text": "through the chair um that's a very good question councelor Pauls and it's one we hear as well the challenges for many", "start": 16093.359, "end": 16100.88}, {"text": "folks that find themselves in encampments first of all despite all the good work that was shared here today and", "start": 16100.88, "end": 16106.52}, {"text": "the continued good work that's underway um the housing crisis continues", "start": 16106.52, "end": 16111.76}, {"text": "and we do see that unfortunately uh for many the cost of rent in in Hamilton and elsewhere is", "start": 16111.76, "end": 16118.96}, {"text": "just not manageable for folks that are uh on um uh you know if they're they", "start": 16118.96, "end": 16125.399}, {"text": "happen to be on ow ODSP it's very difficult to find an affordable unit within the city of Hamilton we also have", "start": 16125.399, "end": 16133}, {"text": "around 6,000 people that are on our social housing weight list so although we're doing very good work with respect", "start": 16133, "end": 16139}, {"text": "to building affordable units rgi units the demand for those units continues to", "start": 16139, "end": 16144.359}, {"text": "be there I think the other piece that we're maybe not talking about in all of that is that for many individuals who", "start": 16144.359, "end": 16150.64}, {"text": "find themselves experiencing home homelessness particularly those that are in encampments um often there's lots of", "start": 16150.64, "end": 16157.479}, {"text": "mental health issues at play there's uh issues where they need a lot of supports", "start": 16157.479, "end": 16162.84}, {"text": "in order to be successful in their housing all of us need supports of some type day-to-day but for some people", "start": 16162.84, "end": 16168.439}, {"text": "those supportive those needs are really around Supportive Housing and unfortunately we simply don't have", "start": 16168.439, "end": 16173.96}, {"text": "enough Supportive Housing within the city to meet the needs of all those people that actually 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encampments and so though although it might appear that that's a large chunk of our budget and", "start": 16258.359, "end": 16264.04}, {"text": "it certainly is um on the other hand the most significant portions of the money", "start": 16264.04, "end": 16269.159}, {"text": "that's going toward housing and homelessness is not going towards encampments but like you I'm optimistic", "start": 16269.159, "end": 16275.119}, {"text": "that we we live in a community where we won't see encampments once we get down the road thank you and I hope so", "start": 16275.119, "end": 16282.52}, {"text": "thanks thank you counselor uh speaker list is councelor Clark followed by councelor cret councelor Clark", "start": 16282.52, "end": 16290.88}, {"text": "please thank you chair undoubtedly there has been success here and I I sincerely", "start": 16292.319, "end": 16298.479}, {"text": "appreciate it and I look forward to Future SU sucess but I am struggling because in a", "start": 16298.479, "end": 16305.88}, {"text": "previous meeting I asked the", "start": 16305.88, "end": 16311.04}, {"text": "question when the new units come on stream and I was talking specifically at", "start": 16311.04, "end": 16316.72}, {"text": "the time about the 476 units that were coming on stream for chh will the folks living in encampments", "start": 16316.72, "end": 16326.68}, {"text": "be the priority to get them into gear to income housing the response was", "start": 16326.68, "end": 16335.159}, {"text": "absolutely so how many people who have been living in the encampments have we", "start": 16335.159, "end": 16342.68}, {"text": "transitioned to gear to income housing with the numbers that we have", "start": 16342.68, "end": 16349.56}, {"text": "today I uh through the chair so thank you counselor very good question again", "start": 16353.239, "end": 16358.8}, {"text": "so I don't have the exact numbers for you but I can get that number with respect to how many people uh came from", "start": 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didn't", "start": 16401.359, "end": 16408.48}, {"text": "happen and we don't even have the number to tell us today how many people were", "start": 16408.48, "end": 16413.76}, {"text": "taken from encampments into gear to income housing not everybody living in", "start": 16413.76, "end": 16419.279}, {"text": "those tents are drug addicts and and and and have serious mental", "start": 16419.279, "end": 16426.439}, {"text": "illness they lost their homes from run", "start": 16426.439, "end": 16432.799}, {"text": "eviction and yet we don't have the number that's incredibly frustrating because we've been telling the public I", "start": 16432.799, "end": 16439.92}, {"text": "have been telling the public after I was reassured that is the priority and then", "start": 16439.92, "end": 16445.119}, {"text": "I find out today that that wasn't the priority and that is very disappointing", "start": 16445.119, "end": 16452.359}, {"text": "thank you counselor uh counselor cret followed by counselor", "start": 16454.24, "end": 16459.32}, {"text": "tattis to a certain extent I share councelor Clark's frustration in terms of the idea that we are trying to match", "start": 16461.959, "end": 16469.16}, {"text": "people with the outcomes that work for them and so for individuals who maybe don't require much support for housing", "start": 16469.16, "end": 16475.561}, {"text": "the idea would be that we could hopefully get them into an apartment space sooner than later because they don't require that kind of support and", "start": 16475.561, "end": 16482.439}, {"text": "sometimes just about supporting people with rent money during a short period of time but just wanted to to put that on the record my question is not about that", "start": 16482.439, "end": 16488.68}, {"text": "though my question is about the Surplus bit Surplus lands I really wanted to get", "start": 16488.68, "end": 16494.359}, {"text": "a better understanding of that so part of this is delegated authority to City staff to sort of just deal with Surplus", "start": 16494.359, "end": 16500.119}, {"text": "lands for affordable housing I'm a huge favor huge plan fan of sorry making sure we use more City and public lands for", "start": 16500.119, "end": 16506.4}, {"text": "affordable housing that's a great thing but I want to understand how that works because", "start": 16506.4, "end": 16512.32}, {"text": "when we talked about this last year one of the things we talked about was well sometimes we're going to sell land off", "start": 16512.32, "end": 16517.879}, {"text": "and we're going to use the proceeds of that land to go toward affordable housing and sometimes we're just going to build affordable housing on that land", "start": 16517.879, "end": 16524.719}, {"text": "and so there's there's a matrix there we have to make a decision about that and I know that last year some of that information came forward so we had more", "start": 16524.719, "end": 16531.359}, {"text": "visibility as a council confidentially but how we make those kinds of decisions so I guess I want to understand a um how", "start": 16531.359, "end": 16538.119}, {"text": "lands are made Surplus in in with respect to this specifically I generally understand the process but specifically", "start": 16538.119, "end": 16543.359}, {"text": "how lands will be deemed Surplus and shared and secondly will we be using what kind of criteria will we be using", "start": 16543.359, "end": 16549.439}, {"text": "to make that decision between whether we sell those lands to go toward affordable housing or build affordable housing on", "start": 16549.439, "end": 16554.879}, {"text": "those lands hopefully that makes", "start": 16554.879, "end": 16558.52}, {"text": "sense through the chair in terms of uh surplus of property um property is", "start": 16561.32, "end": 16568.08}, {"text": "surplused by Council so um in the future as has been in the", "start": 16568.08, "end": 16575.359}, {"text": "past uh City staff will bring forward reports identifying properties that they", "start": 16575.359, "end": 16581.48}, {"text": "are recommending to be surplused um for in this case affordable housing um", "start": 16581.48, "end": 16589.439}, {"text": "as part of those reports we'll also be bringing forward the types of analysis", "start": 16589.439, "end": 16595.16}, {"text": "that that has been requested in the past and certainly we will continue to provide the type of analysis that", "start": 16595.16, "end": 16601.199}, {"text": "demonst rates um the recommended strategy for moving forward on each of those", "start": 16601.199, "end": 16607.359}, {"text": "sites thanks very much appreciate the answer thank you counselor uh final", "start": 16607.359, "end": 16612.959}, {"text": "speaker councelor toison quick comment and question Justin", "start": 16612.959, "end": 16618.84}, {"text": "great work today thanks we will soon be publishing a summarized uh report on our", "start": 16618.84, "end": 16624.76}, {"text": "website so councelor wne you can look it up there if you need something um my question is about something you said at", "start": 16624.76, "end": 16630.84}, {"text": "the end of your prayer presentation and I'll summarize so correct me if I'm if I heard this wrong you said something", "start": 16630.84, "end": 16636.6}, {"text": "along the lines we are losing huge amounts of supportive affordable attainable housing and rental properties", "start": 16636.6, "end": 16642.359}, {"text": "can I can you is that is that what you said and then can you give me the actual number I I know you said it but I didn't", "start": 16642.359, "end": 16649.4}, {"text": "see it in the presentation and through the chair uh", "start": 16649.4, "end": 16654.561}, {"text": "yes counselor so in my uh presentation I spoke to the loss of 16,000 units um and", "start": 16654.561, "end": 16661.16}, {"text": "that was 1 15500 units year-over-year uh and that's with regards to those units", "start": 16661.16, "end": 16666.4}, {"text": "being sold uh through Ren evictions uh that sort of thing so", "start": 16666.4, "end": 16672}, {"text": "yes okay and then and then currently how many are we bringing on this year in", "start": 16672, "end": 16678.92}, {"text": "addressing this issue I don't have that number for you today counselor but I can uh get that number for you we did have a", "start": 16678.92, "end": 16685.68}, {"text": "lot of uh units that we are bringing online in our presentation today but I would have to add up all those numbers", "start": 16685.68, "end": 16691.76}, {"text": "but I can get that for you afterwards okay no more questions thanks Justin thank you counselor uh so not", "start": 16691.76, "end": 16698.279}, {"text": "seeing any further okay mayor go ahead sorry just a quick question um through you chair I", "start": 16698.279, "end": 16705.719}, {"text": "think to um to Michelle be just um can you just describe what the access to", "start": 16705.719, 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"apartment viewings what have you as soon as they know they have access to those uh tenant support benefits they try to", "start": 17196.2, "end": 17203.04}, {"text": "get people housed so a long answer to your question are people going to find themselves still in encampments we're", "start": 17203.04, "end": 17209.68}, {"text": "hoping not and the work is underway uh to to try to find solutions to get", "start": 17209.68, "end": 17214.84}, {"text": "people housed whether they're an encampment or in a shelter although we are prioritizing those folks for those", "start": 17214.84, "end": 17220.958}, {"text": "new shelter beds and thank you is there a way chair of us getting a report", "start": 17220.958, "end": 17227.44}, {"text": "perhaps semiannually as to we had 300 folks", "start": 17227.44, "end": 17234.2}, {"text": "living in tents out of that 360 filed the", "start": 17234.2, "end": 17239.76}, {"text": "documentation for rgi supports we found some that would go to residential 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"chair uh through the chair sorry counselor could you just repeat the question so I make sure I'm answering", "start": 17344.558, "end": 17349.638}, {"text": "the right thing sure of course um I think in appendix a of the hsir report", "start": 17349.638, "end": 17358.12}, {"text": "um on work to date it it uh references the residential care", "start": 17358.12, "end": 17363.36}, {"text": "facility uh is undergoing a review with a report forthcoming I'm just interested", "start": 17363.36, "end": 17370.08}, {"text": "in knowing the scope of of that review and is it available for", "start": 17370.08, "end": 17378.24}, {"text": "review through the chair so yes the Residential Care Facilities program", "start": 17378.24, "end": 17384.2}, {"text": "review uh just got started we are delayed in starting that work we have an external provider that is supporting us", "start": 17384.2, "end": 17391.84}, {"text": "with this so a review of the program occurred some time ago the challenges with 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Hamilton", "start": 19955.718, "end": 19963}, {"text": "Wentworth District sorry the Hamilton Wentworth Catholic District School Board Le on committee meeting from October", "start": 19963, "end": 19969.6}, {"text": "30th 2024 move mover and a secretary to put this report on the floor moved by", "start": 19969.6, "end": 19975.16}, {"text": "councelor Wang seced by councelor uh", "start": 19975.16, "end": 19979.638}, {"text": "Clark any discussion seeing none all in favor or opposed", "start": 19980.52, "end": 19988.718}, {"text": "that carries unanimously item 9.2 the concession Concession Street business", "start": 20016.12, "end": 20021.36}, {"text": "Improvement area changes to board of directors mover a seconder moved by", "start": 20021.36, "end": 20026.44}, {"text": "councelor Jackson seconded by councelor Wang uh seeing no", "start": 20026.44, "end": 20031.638}, {"text": "discussion all in favor or opposed", "start": 20031.638, "end": 20036.638}, {"text": "thank you uh that is unanimous item 9.3 cyber security incident costing update", "start": 20049.798, "end": 20056.28}, {"text": "move in a second to put this on the floor uh moved by councelor crutch seconded by councelor Wang discussion uh", "start": 20056.28, "end": 20063.52}, {"text": "councelor Clark thank you chair we're looking at", "start": 20063.52, "end": 20068.958}, {"text": "page three of three the cyber security incident costing", "start": 20068.958, "end": 20074.04}, {"text": "update table two indicates a grand total of 9 .6 million has been spent on this", "start": 20074.04, "end": 20081.04}, {"text": "incident to date 7 million of which", "start": 20081.04, "end": 20086.48}, {"text": "was cost paid to external experts so can I get a little bit", "start": 20086.48, "end": 20092.62}, {"text": "[Music] clearer explanation as to exactly what", "start": 20092.62, "end": 20097.798}, {"text": "the external experts got paid for or is that number including other things that", "start": 20097.798, "end": 20104.52}, {"text": "they paid for on behalf of the city it it's a large number and I'm struggling", "start": 20104.52, "end": 20110.68}, {"text": "to understand exactly why out of 9 million that we", "start": 20110.68, "end": 20116.6}, {"text": "spent 7 million was to an outside", "start": 20116.6, "end": 20121.92}, {"text": "consultant through uh through the chair Mike Zer general manager Finance Corporate Services those uh costs would", "start": 20121.92, "end": 20129}, {"text": "relate to the support they're providing with respect to financial services given", "start": 20129, "end": 20136.76}, {"text": "our limitation as it relates to transactional work uh for financial services they're providing support to uh", "start": 20136.76, "end": 20145.2}, {"text": "to the department uh with respect to accounts payable as well as with respect", "start": 20145.2, "end": 20151.44}, {"text": "to some of our procurement functions in addition would be the Cyber resiliency", "start": 20151.44, "end": 20157.76}, {"text": "work that they are supporting our it uh division on uh as well as some of the", "start": 20157.76, "end": 20165.6}, {"text": "support they're providing to the trans information group uh including just the", "start": 20165.6, "end": 20170.76}, {"text": "broader cyber uh response including some communication support uh but happy to", "start": 20170.76, "end": 20177.878}, {"text": "provide a further breakdown as it relates to some some subcategories as it", "start": 20177.878, "end": 20183.2}, {"text": "relates to uh those costs and the efforts I would appreciate it uh chair", "start": 20183.2, "end": 20190.2}, {"text": "do I need to move a motion to get a breakdown of that those costs further in", "start": 20190.2, "end": 20195.52}, {"text": "an information report to council I don't want that just for me I want everyone to see the exact same thing that I'm seeing", "start": 20195.52, "end": 20202.48}, {"text": "so to the chair in the hands of committee if committee wishes just to have a record of it uh a motion uh", "start": 20202.48, "end": 20210.36}, {"text": "requesting that staff provide a breakdown of the external um supports and uh some", "start": 20210.36, "end": 20219.68}, {"text": "further description of the work supported um chair I'd like to move that", "start": 20219.68, "end": 20226.44}, {"text": "motion if I can get a second secr councelor Tom Jackson", "start": 20226.44, "end": 20231.48}, {"text": "okay uh so put that direction on the table that uh if I heard that correctly", "start": 20231.48, "end": 20237.48}, {"text": "that staff provide a summary breakdown of the external supports um in the", "start": 20237.48, "end": 20244.76}, {"text": "context of the cyber security incident is that sufficient so I have that staff", "start": 20244.76, "end": 20250}, {"text": "be directed to report back with a breakdown of the external supports and further description of the work provided", "start": 20250, "end": 20255.28}, {"text": "during the cyber security inent update external supports for the cyber security", "start": 20255.28, "end": 20261.2}, {"text": "instant just so we're we're clear what we're talking about okay you got it okay", "start": 20261.2, "end": 20266.638}, {"text": "uh move by councelor Clark seconded by councelor Jackson uh we'll put that on the floor right", "start": 20266.638, "end": 20272.958}, {"text": "now all in favor or", "start": 20272.958, "end": 20277}, {"text": "opposed and sorry that would be report back to GIC", "start": 20279.44, "end": 20285.36}, {"text": "car's unanimously uh so then on receipt of the information report I believe I", "start": 20310.958, "end": 20317.16}, {"text": "had a mover and seconder okay all in favor or", "start": 20317.16, "end": 20322.876}, {"text": "opposed that carries unanimously on to item 10.1 this is the", "start": 20338.92, "end": 20345.04}, {"text": "Hamilton went Wentworth District School Board uh report uh there are recommendations and", "start": 20345.04, "end": 20352.798}, {"text": "just before we put this on the floor I neglected to do this at the beginning of the meeting but I will declare a", "start": 20352.798, "end": 20358.6}, {"text": "non-disqualifying interest on item 10.1 as my wife is currently the board 7", "start": 20358.6, "end": 20364.2}, {"text": "Hamilton Ware District School Board trustee um so mover and second to put", "start": 20364.2, "end": 20369.76}, {"text": "this report on the floor moved by counselor taison second by counselor um spatap for", "start": 20369.76, "end": 20377.878}, {"text": "any discussion seeing", "start": 20377.878, "end": 20382.556}, {"text": "none that carries unanimously on to item 10.2 service", "start": 20393.12, "end": 20399.638}, {"text": "manager consent for Hamilton East kan's nonprofit homes Inc East AV and Fullerton in Ward three um", "start": 20399.638, "end": 20408.16}, {"text": "moved by councelor Nan seconded by councelor", "start": 20408.16, "end": 20413.6}, {"text": "Pauls any discussion on this item and", "start": 20413.6, "end": 20419.32}, {"text": "recommendations seeing", "start": 20419.32, "end": 20422.68}, {"text": "none that carries unanimously item 10.3 service manager", "start": 20430.76, "end": 20436.2}, {"text": "consent for Hamilton e ku's nonprofit homes to encumber 71 Stanford Avenue", "start": 20436.2, "end": 20441.798}, {"text": "North in ward 3 moved by councelor Nan seconded by councelor Wang any", "start": 20441.798, "end": 20449.558}, {"text": "discussion seeing none all in favor or", "start": 20449.558, "end": 20454.76}, {"text": "opposed that carries unanimously item 10.4 reducing homelessness and", "start": 20464.6, "end": 20470.478}, {"text": "managing encampments uh I need a moover in a seconder to put item 10.4 on the floor councelor cret and uh councelor", "start": 20470.478, "end": 20478.08}, {"text": "Alex Wilson any discussion on 10.4 uh", "start": 20478.08, "end": 20483.638}, {"text": "councelor Clark can I clarify", "start": 20483.638, "end": 20489.04}, {"text": "chair exactly where this is going in terms of", "start": 20489.04, "end": 20494.28}, {"text": "the budget so is all of this being referred to the 2025 budget", "start": 20494.28, "end": 20502.04}, {"text": "process through the chair so the report before you Council counselor is um uh an", "start": 20503.478, "end": 20510.68}, {"text": "initiative to make permanent some of the uh structures that we have in place that are currently temporary with respect to", "start": 20510.68, "end": 20517.4}, {"text": "the costs that are coming forward there is uh items that are now referred to the 20125 budget process these are some of", "start": 20517.4, "end": 20524}, {"text": "the beds the shelter beds within the system that are now temporary that we're working to make permanent so there's", "start": 20524, "end": 20529.478}, {"text": "about 45 beds in that bucket this report also though there was previous funding", "start": 20529.478, "end": 20535.36}, {"text": "approved by Council last year to address winter response and at that time uh we", "start": 20535.36, "end": 20541.24}, {"text": "put some measures in place but at this point now that we're investing in more permanent solutions that are appropriate", "start": 20541.24, "end": 20546.638}, {"text": "solutions to serve the population we're moving to uh move that funding and some of those R winter response activities", "start": 20546.638, "end": 20553.958}, {"text": "because we're bringing along uh more um appropriate client Focus Services", "start": 20553.958, "end": 20561.16}, {"text": "through this report in a permanent way as opposed to continuing to invest in temporary", "start": 20561.16, "end": 20567.6}, {"text": "solutions okay so the items that we're now going to make", "start": 20568, "end": 20573.798}, {"text": "permanent gets referred to the 2025 budget process is that what I'm", "start": 20573.798, "end": 20582.4}, {"text": "hearing sorry I can't through the chair sorry uh for the costs from April 1st to", "start": 20583.798, "end": 20590.878}, {"text": "uh ongoing are referred to the 2025 budget process thank you I appreciate that", "start": 20590.878, "end": 20596.638}, {"text": "clarification thank you councelor Clark uh on the speakers list councelor Wang followed by councelor Jackson and I'm", "start": 20596.638, "end": 20602.958}, {"text": "going to put myself on the speaker list councelor Wang please thank you I wanted to ask about the warming bus and um its", "start": 20602.958, "end": 20613.24}, {"text": "discontinuation so what were some of the challenges with the warming bus just so that I'm a little more", "start": 20613.24, "end": 20620.44}, {"text": "clear through the chair thank you for that question I'm going to ask uh one of the managers perhaps Rob Mone might come", "start": 20620.92, "end": 20628.558}, {"text": "up and provide more detailed answers to this", "start": 20628.558, "end": 20632.798}, {"text": "one uh through the chair Rob masteran manager of homelessness and housing support uh some of the challenges uh on", "start": 20637.718, "end": 20644.04}, {"text": "the bus were were uh there was some space limitations so there were a number of people that were accessing the bus to", "start": 20644.04, "end": 20651.2}, {"text": "try to you know for warmth uh through the evening um and trying to ensure that", "start": 20651.2, "end": 20656.68}, {"text": "uh there was an option for them the services uh on the bus they it really did it really was a minimal service kind", "start": 20656.68, "end": 20664.36}, {"text": "of intervention so there was a warm space there was some light snacks that sort of thing so what we're proposing moving towards is the evening uh dropin", "start": 20664.36, "end": 20672.04}, {"text": "space that can be uh more of a housing focused uh drop in for the evening", "start": 20672.04, "end": 20677.12}, {"text": "winter months uh so that people can be in a space that that is available to", "start": 20677.12, "end": 20682.4}, {"text": "them uh throughout the throughout those evening hours and uh and linked to", "start": 20682.4, "end": 20688.32}, {"text": "on-site uh staff that will be able to support them in a different way okay my next question through you", "start": 20688.32, "end": 20695.6}, {"text": "chair is we just heard from director bear that um we are moving some of the temporary shelter beds to more permanent", "start": 20695.6, "end": 20702}, {"text": "so that 45 or 44 shelter bed number that's moving to permanent", "start": 20702, "end": 20707.478}, {"text": "is that included in the 192 number that we were hearing um from the August report or is this 192 plus a new of", "start": 20707.478, "end": 20717.2}, {"text": "45 permanent shelter beds uh through the chair these are in", "start": 20717.2, "end": 20723.4}, {"text": "addition to the 192 temporary shelter beds uh these beds were brought online early this year uh to try to address", "start": 20723.4, "end": 20730}, {"text": "some of our uh our pressures in the in our system uh on a temporary basis but", "start": 20730, "end": 20735.68}, {"text": "we are recommending making these beds permanent uh through this process okay thank you those are all my questions", "start": 20735.68, "end": 20741.44}, {"text": "director Barrett has a some additional information uh through the chair just to add to that uh counselor with respect to", "start": 20741.44, "end": 20749.28}, {"text": "these particular 45 beds uh they are not part of the temporary numbers however they will become part of those permanent", "start": 20749.28, "end": 20755.16}, {"text": "beds that we're looking to create that was sort of the next phase of moving away from the temporary beds altogether", "start": 20755.16, "end": 20760.798}, {"text": "into a permanent place thank you uh speakers list", "start": 20760.798, "end": 20766.44}, {"text": "counselor Jackson councelor Nan uh and myself and then councelor Clark for a second time councelor Jackson thanks", "start": 20766.44, "end": 20772.68}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor Dano can I just uh piggy back on councelor ha's question just to get clarity here on page five so the", "start": 20772.68, "end": 20780.24}, {"text": "extra 45 beds will cost $91,000 that you want refer to the 25", "start": 20780.24, "end": 20786.718}, {"text": "budget process through you Deputy Mayor Dano", "start": 20786.718, "end": 20791.52}, {"text": "please hello through the chair yes that's correct for the April 1st uh onward amount so in", "start": 20795.16, "end": 20803.04}, {"text": "light of the need in the community um adding to the 192 shelter", "start": 20803.04, "end": 20808.32}, {"text": "beds and this body knows I've been a big proponent of shelter beds as an inim", "start": 20808.32, "end": 20815.478}, {"text": "emergency step uh why are we waiting until the 25 budget process through you", "start": 20815.478, "end": 20820.52}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor Dano to either man manager mastriani or director be please is it because we want to see how the 192", "start": 20820.52, "end": 20827.12}, {"text": "unfold or can somebody explain that to me please uh through the chair uh the 192 beds and these 45 are are separate", "start": 20827.12, "end": 20834.958}, {"text": "beds that are in operation right now so the 192 that were recently approved were in the process of onboarding these 45", "start": 20834.958, "end": 20841.32}, {"text": "beds have actually been uh in operation since early 2024 so we are and and are", "start": 20841.32, "end": 20847.798}, {"text": "funded until November 30th there is a funding um recommendation here to carry", "start": 20847.798, "end": 20853.68}, {"text": "us through till March 31st and then there uh the April 1st onward uh portion", "start": 20853.68, "end": 20859.878}, {"text": "will be referred to the 2025 budget process so are we ultimately Rob going", "start": 20859.878, "end": 20865}, {"text": "to make these permanent or every year are we going to just keep um asking each year to keep the 45 moving along but", "start": 20865, "end": 20872.24}, {"text": "year after year with decisions through you Deputy Mayor Dano please through the chair these 45 beds we are recommending", "start": 20872.24, "end": 20878.52}, {"text": "making permanent uh at this point and they will they will count towards the ultimate 470 beds to Michelle's earlier", "start": 20878.52, "end": 20886.32}, {"text": "point that we are looking to implement in our system okay thanks for that explanation manager masterani and on the", "start": 20886.32, "end": 20892.4}, {"text": "same page then so with all the shuffling around uh 331,000 from Winter operations", "start": 20892.4, "end": 20899.478}, {"text": "you're applying that to the new annualized 1.33 so there's a net Levy impact of1", "start": 20899.478, "end": 20905.718}, {"text": "million additional dollars required for implementing this report through you Deputy Mayor", "start": 20905.718, "end": 20911.638}, {"text": "Dano to either director be or manager mastriani through the chair yes that's", "start": 20911.638, "end": 20916.798}, {"text": "correct councelor Jackson okay thank you thank you", "start": 20916.798, "end": 20922.478}, {"text": "counselor uh councelor Nan Follow by myself and then councelor Clark for a second time councelor n thank you", "start": 20922.478, "end": 20928.958}, {"text": "through you Deputy Mayor just a couple of questions um one of the recommendation speaks to uh making", "start": 20928.958, "end": 20934.92}, {"text": "permanent some drop in space especially during the evenings um for Mission Services I think believe it was", "start": 20934.92, "end": 20941.28}, {"text": "recommendation c um and then there's a reference to all genders so is the the", "start": 20941.28, "end": 20947.798}, {"text": "25 dropin spaces going to be split between different mission service", "start": 20947.798, 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"and Hamilton Public Library specifically totally appreciating the service standard minimum being um for it to", "start": 21000.28, "end": 21007.558}, {"text": "Warrant um providing the kinds of supports that are needed overnight including food including uh a place to", "start": 21007.558, "end": 21015}, {"text": "rest like a physical location caught slash a surface on which to rest um and", "start": 21015, "end": 21021.44}, {"text": "neither the library or all of our rec centers being able to provide that could you share a little bit more there in", "start": 21021.44, "end": 21027.84}, {"text": "terms of how we weren't able to integrate that and then finally in terms", "start": 21027.84, "end": 21033.16}, {"text": "of the recommendation um is it the the recommendation from staff that those", "start": 21033.16, "end": 21038.558}, {"text": "types of services are now covered with the other recommendations that are within the report in terms of our shelter service providers thank", "start": 21038.558, "end": 21046.958}, {"text": "you through the chair uh very good questions counselor so last season we", "start": 21047.44, "end": 21054.24}, {"text": "had a number of people as you know that were sleeping unsheltered and at the time we looked for solutions that we had", "start": 21054.24, "end": 21059.6}, {"text": "within uh City facilities to provide access so that people could get get out of the cold uh what ended up happening", "start": 21059.6, "end": 21066.718}, {"text": "is it was a means of getting folks out of the cold but these locations whether it be Central Library a rec centers what", "start": 21066.718, "end": 21072.68}, {"text": "have you they all have ongoing programming and they are in many ways at capacity already so this became a", "start": 21072.68, "end": 21079.12}, {"text": "challenge for them to both offer a warming space if you will as well as their regular programming the other", "start": 21079.12, "end": 21085.2}, {"text": "piece of it of course is that staff whether they're at the recreation centers at the Library what have you they're not necessarily the um people", "start": 21085.2, "end": 21093.12}, {"text": "best able to meet the needs of those folks that are finding themselves coming in out of the cold so the decision we", "start": 21093.12, "end": 21098.638}, {"text": "made was to look to more permanent Solutions where people know where the solution is and the right resources are", "start": 21098.638, "end": 21105.16}, {"text": "there to connect them with like you said food shelter what have you uh meet their needs in a bit more of a holistic way", "start": 21105.16, "end": 21112.478}, {"text": "and so the other piece of it is with these new shelter beds the 45 permanent shelter beds the drop-ins that we're", "start": 21112.478, "end": 21119.36}, {"text": "bringing online as well as the temporary spaces we're hopeful that those Investments are more meaningful", "start": 21119.36, "end": 21125.36}, {"text": "Investments and meet the needs rather than these temporary solutions that we put in place and staff did very", "start": 21125.36, "end": 21130.68}, {"text": "good work to to try their best to operationalize them but they didn't necessarily meet the needs of people and", "start": 21130.68, "end": 21136.12}, {"text": "so that was why the choice was made to invest in solutions that really are uh targeting housing and homelessness can", "start": 21136.12, "end": 21143.2}, {"text": "appreciate that um very much the last question is around the library so both", "start": 21143.2, "end": 21148.4}, {"text": "Central and Barton Branch continue to serve as um third spaces not only for", "start": 21148.4, "end": 21154.52}, {"text": "all residents but also unhoused res residents and those in need of supports and services is there an ongoing", "start": 21154.52, "end": 21160.2}, {"text": "relationship um in order to make sure our partners at the library are resource", "start": 21160.2, "end": 21165.478}, {"text": "to the capacity that they need to uh to address our vulnerable", "start": 21165.478, "end": 21170.876}, {"text": "populations through the chair I'll take that one so uh yes and in fact so we", "start": 21172.08, "end": 21177.28}, {"text": "work with our partners at the library um not in such a formalized way as we did last year through those winter months", "start": 21177.28, "end": 21183.92}, {"text": "but I know that Public Health Services as well has resources within the uh Library uh from Social Work perspective", "start": 21183.92, "end": 21190.92}, {"text": "to try to meet with clients as well so there are resources there it's just not going to be as resource intense as as it", "start": 21190.92, "end": 21197.52}, {"text": "was through the uh last winter season uh thank you three Deputy Mayor that that does concern me a little bit", "start": 21197.52, "end": 21204.6}, {"text": "um only from the perspective of um the fact that both library branches have been kind of solidified in the community", "start": 21204.6, "end": 21211.84}, {"text": "as a place for folks to go um I would be curious to know about and I don't need the answer today I it can be an offline", "start": 21211.84, "end": 21218.52}, {"text": "conversation about the ways in which we're notifying those those folks who go to both the library branches and then", "start": 21218.52, "end": 21225.76}, {"text": "supplementary um with those limited resources that we were able to partner for in terms of the out of the cold", "start": 21225.76, "end": 21232.24}, {"text": "programming and support taking away any of those resources when the library Core", "start": 21232.24, "end": 21237.76}, {"text": "Business is well funded but these supplementary services that the library", "start": 21237.76, "end": 21243.798}, {"text": "provides in partnership with the with Public Health might may still need supplementation so I'll take that", "start": 21243.798, "end": 21250.32}, {"text": "offline thank you thank you counselor uh counselor Moren", "start": 21250.32, "end": 21256.76}, {"text": "Wilson thank you chair if if I may I would like to come back to the the uh", "start": 21257.08, "end": 21263.6}, {"text": "bus and its use as a a warming place for the winter months and I'm not suggesting", "start": 21263.6, "end": 21269.718}, {"text": "that we shouldn't pilot um because um if we don't we won't", "start": 21269.718, "end": 21275.558}, {"text": "understand what works what doesn't but if I could be provided with a reminder of um where did this request", "start": 21275.558, "end": 21284.4}, {"text": "come from and like what were the metrics that were set up and the assumptions of", "start": 21284.4, "end": 21291.878}, {"text": "how it was going to work well and then obviously um it uh we found out from its", "start": 21291.878, "end": 21299.478}, {"text": "operation that it it the it didn't work as well as we thought or wasn't as successful as we thought if I could just", 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question was um did we consult with people who are deprived of housing when", "start": 21528.92, "end": 21535.12}, {"text": "we when we put all these program things forward that's my last question thank", "start": 21535.12, "end": 21542.638}, {"text": "you through the chair uh yes we did and they were uh consulted with respect to", "start": 21542.798, "end": 21548.4}, {"text": "the efficacy and whether or not it met people's needs after the fact as well that's where the evaluation", "start": 21548.4, "end": 21555.44}, {"text": "happened thank you councelor um so I'll pass the chair to councelor", "start": 21555.92, "end": 21562.04}, {"text": "Clark go ahead sir thank you uh just a couple comments um first on the", "start": 21562.04, "end": 21568.718}, {"text": "recommendations that uh Rec Recreation facilities and the library uh facilities", "start": 21568.718, "end": 21574.878}, {"text": "be uh be discontinued I'm very supportive of that um libraries and rec", "start": 21574.878, "end": 21581.08}, {"text": "centers are not homeless shelters and I think it's a very positive direction to", "start": 21581.08, "end": 21586.16}, {"text": "return these facilities back to residents for their use um because there was ongoing issues of drug use", "start": 21586.16, "end": 21593.28}, {"text": "harassment um vandalism at these facilities so I I think this is a very", "start": 21593.28, "end": 21598.32}, {"text": "reasonable direction to put um those Services back in in shelter spaces where", "start": 21598.32, "end": 21604.638}, {"text": "where they should be where there are uh staff that are there that have the capacity to deal with those ongoing", "start": 21604.638, "end": 21611.44}, {"text": "issues um secondly on the issue of the budget so as councelor Jackson had", "start": 21611.44, "end": 21617.718}, {"text": "stated there is a $1 million annual Levy impact uh from this decision here today", "start": 21617.718, "end": 21625.2}, {"text": "there's a number of 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{"text": "take the chair back and uh councelor Clark for a second time uh thank you chair and I disagree", "start": 21672.52, "end": 21679.68}, {"text": "with your final statement it does belong at the budget that's when we should have be be having the discussion um with respect to my earlier", "start": 21679.68, "end": 21688.878}, {"text": "question to director Barett about reporting semiannually on the", "start": 21688.878, "end": 21695.04}, {"text": "transitions um uh out of tent encampments to more", "start": 21695.04, "end": 21701.76}, {"text": "permanent housing forms um I had a discussion with the mayor and I I think it's appropriate", "start": 21701.76, "end": 21708.32}, {"text": "that we actually do it by motion so that we get a record of it and not that", "start": 21708.32, "end": 21713.36}, {"text": "you're going to forget director but um we'll put it on the record so I think it would be appropriate in this section of", "start": 21713.36, "end": 21720.4}, {"text": "the the um agenda as it is dealing directly with reducing homelessness to", "start": 21720.4, "end": 21726.798}, {"text": "uh move a motion asking that staff be directed to report", "start": 21726.798, "end": 21732.76}, {"text": "semiannually on transitions out of tent encampments", "start": 21732.76, "end": 21738.12}, {"text": "to um social housing um recreational or what I'm sorry", "start": 21738.12, "end": 21744.638}, {"text": "residential uh care facilities um Etc so that we have an", "start": 21744.638, "end": 21751.76}, {"text": "understanding as to how much impact we're really having on on the encampments if I could get a second for", "start": 21751.76, "end": 21758.84}, {"text": "that motion counselor", "start": 21758.84, "end": 21764.84}, {"text": "Francis okay so I I think clerk uh do you agree that that would be in order as", "start": 21764.84, "end": 21771.28}, {"text": "it is related to reducing homelessness otherwise we can do it during", "start": 21771.28, "end": 21776.4}, {"text": "motions through the chair uh sorry through the deputy mayor I'm I'm happy to take it now I think I have it but", "start": 21776.4, "end": 21781.798}, {"text": "would like to read it back please uh that staff be directed to report to uh General issues committee Sammy annually", "start": 21781.798, "end": 21788.28}, {"text": "on transitions on that wording not right on transitions out of tent encampments to social", "start": 21788.28, "end": 21793.84}, {"text": "housing and Residential Care Facilities yes and I'd put in ETC after Residential", "start": 21793.84, "end": 21800.16}, {"text": "Care Facilities because there might be other things that I'm missing thank you chair", "start": 21800.16, "end": 21805.84}, {"text": "okay thank you so uh secondary was councelor Francis so Direction is on the", "start": 21805.84, "end": 21813.36}, {"text": "table so on the motion uh I have mayor", "start": 21813.36, "end": 21819.04}, {"text": "Horvath uh thanks I just wanted to know if the 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"end": 21869.24}, {"text": "locked door and shelter beds don't provide that", "start": 21869.24, "end": 21876.24}, {"text": "thank you mayor uh any further discussion on the motion that is on the floor currently councelor Moren Wilson I", "start": 21876.52, "end": 21884.638}, {"text": "if uh I would really appreciate seeing the motion up on the screen when when the clerk has a minute I", "start": 21884.638, "end": 21891.84}, {"text": "know thank", "start": 21892.68, "end": 21895.876}, {"text": "you while the uh clerk is doing that uh is there any further discussion on", "start": 21903.16, "end": 21908.558}, {"text": "the motion that's on the table councelor Dan thank you three", "start": 21908.558, "end": 21913.718}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor um and I know the language is coming in ETC is included um I would", "start": 21913.718, "end": 21920.878}, {"text": "agree with the mayor that the shelter bed ought to be listed because that actually helps us", "start": 21920.878, "end": 21927.558}, 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"end": 22125.558}, {"text": "budget through you chair so through the deputy mayor as it is to be referred you", "start": 22125.558, "end": 22130.958}, {"text": "could then further vote you could vote against it at the budget because it's just you're if you vote in favor you're", "start": 22130.958, "end": 22138.16}, {"text": "voting to refer it to the budget and then the discussion would happen at the budget so the ask in this through for", "start": 22138.16, "end": 22145.478}, {"text": "you chair is to vote to refer to the 2025 budget so we can make a decision on", "start": 22145.478, "end": 22151.478}, {"text": "the 2025 budget is that correct through you chair through the deputy mayor that is", "start": 22151.478, "end": 22158.36}, {"text": "my understanding thank you so much clerk thank you there's", "start": 22158.36, "end": 22166}, {"text": "no if there's no further discussion uh we will go to the vote", "start": 22167.36, "end": 22173.08}, {"text": "moved by councelor cret 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from the provincial government mayor would you like to", "start": 22397.798, "end": 22404.28}, {"text": "provide some comments I'm I think it's I think it's a good idea I mean we we have been asking", "start": 22404.28, "end": 22411.92}, {"text": "for these Partnerships all the way around I would agree there's not that this is not enough but it's when you", "start": 22411.92, "end": 22418.36}, {"text": "think about the amount of money that we're putting in as we've talked about all day today uh it's it's something and", "start": 22418.36, "end": 22423.92}, {"text": "it would be doubled that something would be doubled with the provincial partnership so I think you know a formal", "start": 22423.92, "end": 22430.878}, {"text": "letter that outlines that is is not UNT I I don't think it's it's unto at all I think it simply just reiterates what", "start": 22430.878, "end": 22437.6}, {"text": "we've been asking and Deputy Mayor Dano you could present your motion now if you wish", "start": 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the mayor agreed to Second it councilor Wang please just a question", "start": 22487.6, "end": 22494.958}, {"text": "on when we say we're sending a formal letter would that come under mayor's letterhead or would it come from like", "start": 22494.958, "end": 22500.638}, {"text": "staff two would it make sense to come from multiple sources or just from the", "start": 22500.638, "end": 22505.76}, {"text": "mayor's letterhead historically it comes from the mayor but I'll ask the mayor to", "start": 22505.76, "end": 22511.122}, {"text": "respond the mayor um but I can assure you that the staff are also following up", "start": 22513.638, "end": 22519.638}, {"text": "in their channels uh with with staff at the Ministries both I would say housing", "start": 22519.638, "end": 22526}, {"text": "and health actually um and so we can we we can know that that happens as a you", "start": 22526, "end": 22533.04}, {"text": "know as a as a practice we you may want to suggest counselor", "start": 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"start": 22621.878, "end": 22629.32}, {"text": "capable hands of the mayor moving this forward so I just offered it as a suggestion thank you it's an excellent", "start": 22629.32, "end": 22636.44}, {"text": "suggestion and I think she'll follow through on that any further discussion I don't want to see the names I'm", "start": 22636.44, "end": 22643.44}, {"text": "sorry nope we're good now so uh Madam clerk can we have the vote on that", "start": 22644, "end": 22649.92}, {"text": "motion please and it was a straightup motion not an amendment to the thank", "start": 22649.92, "end": 22658.24}, {"text": "you the vote is", "start": 22661.878, "end": 22665.442}, {"text": "up the vote carries unanimously the chair is back to you sir thank you", "start": 22673, "end": 22678.04}, {"text": "councelor Clark um so back to discussion on the report uh of councelor tattis on", "start": 22678.04, "end": 22684.798}, {"text": "the speaker list just point of clarification I know that it says that", "start": 22684.798, "end": 22689.84}, {"text": "it did not include the cost matching from The Province but it also says staff also learned that there was a", "start": 22689.84, "end": 22695.16}, {"text": "requirement to cost match the funds provided from the federal government with an alternative non-federal source", "start": 22695.16, "end": 22701.12}, {"text": "so in reading through am I understanding that the non-federal sources were are 8.3 million from the housing", "start": 22701.12, "end": 22707.28}, {"text": "sustainability investment road map are 8.8 referred to in the tax supported oriented budget and then there's 600,000", "start": 22707.28, "end": 22715.878}, {"text": "that was to be included in the 2025 tax support operating budget is that where that non-federal Source comes from am I", "start": 22715.878, "end": 22723.04}, {"text": "I'm does anybody have an answer for that for me uh through the chair Grace Mater um", "start": 22723.04, "end": 22728.4}, {"text": "general manager healthy and safe communities yes you're correct too counselor that's where it comes from", "start": 22728.4, "end": 22733.798}, {"text": "okay so I'm just trying to ascertain the then we then we received 5", "start": 22733.798, "end": 22740.4}, {"text": "million and that 5 million is an addition to so so if it was like 8 8 Mill milon 8 million and so we're", "start": 22740.4, "end": 22745.84}, {"text": "getting like 21 million basically to support that or is that coming out of", "start": 22745.84, "end": 22750.92}, {"text": "those pieces that's where I'm just trying to understand like What's the total amount sorry through the chair the", "start": 22750.92, "end": 22756.798}, {"text": "total amount we're receiving over the two years is 5.2 million from the federal", "start": 22756.798, "end": 22762.68}, {"text": "government okay I I I I'm sorry I'm probably asking the wrong question and maybe I should just be quiet so um one", "start": 22763.12, "end": 22770.718}, {"text": "thing though it's the the alternative non-federal sources so the what we were already dedicating is covering that", "start": 22770.718, "end": 22777.878}, {"text": "non-federal s support right so fair enough chair that's correct okay I guess", "start": 22777.878, "end": 22783.478}, {"text": "that's what you answered the first little thick thank you counselor uh", "start": 22783.478, "end": 22791.76}, {"text": "mayor uh thanks very much uh Deputy Mayor I I think the it's very", "start": 22791.76, "end": 22797.638}, {"text": "interesting to see that they're funding something that we've already spent money on lots of times when these funding uh", "start": 22797.638, "end": 22804.16}, {"text": "agreements happen you can't have already started your project because they have to approve your project in advance uh", "start": 22804.16, "end": 22809.958}, {"text": "and then they will step up and fund it if they so choose in this case we were already well underway this Council had", "start": 22809.958, "end": 22815.638}, {"text": "already made a decision because of the crisis to help solve uh to try to help solve our encampment uh situation and I", "start": 22815.638, "end": 22823.478}, {"text": "just think it's notable that that because of the advocacy that was done in my opinion uh we were able to get money", "start": 22823.478, "end": 22830.12}, {"text": "in year when we had already decided what the actual solution was that we were going to be investing in and that we", "start": 22830.12, "end": 22836.12}, {"text": "were going to that we were asking the other orders of government to support us on and so it's over two years yes but", "start": 22836.12, "end": 22842.6}, {"text": "it's over this fiscal year as well as next fiscal year and this fiscal year as I said we've already we had already made", "start": 22842.6, "end": 22849.36}, {"text": "the plan and they came to the table without any requirements in terms of US", "start": 22849.36, "end": 22854.958}, {"text": "changing the plan they thought our plan was a really uh worthwhile plan for them to invest uh some of the encampment uh", "start": 22854.958, "end": 22862.44}, {"text": "uh funding too and so I just want to say thank you to the staff as well because I think we have a a solid plan that might", "start": 22862.44, "end": 22869.16}, {"text": "not be as fast as everybody wants it to be but for the government to to step in and support without first uh while we", "start": 22869.16, "end": 22876.52}, {"text": "were when we have already expended and already have a plan while up while up and running is unusual thank you thank", "start": 22876.52, "end": 22884.12}, {"text": "you mayor uh seeing no further discussions on item", "start": 22884.12, "end": 22889.798}, {"text": "10.6 uh I believe I had a over in a seconder all in favor or", "start": 22889.798, "end": 22897.68}, {"text": "opposed that carries unanimously thank you uh on to item 10.7 the 2025", "start": 22909.44, "end": 22917.44}, {"text": "liability and property insurance property insurance extension move in a", "start": 22917.44, "end": 22922.478}, {"text": "second or to put this on the floor moved by councelor Paul seconded by councelor", "start": 22922.478, "end": 22928.798}, {"text": "Wang seeing no discussion oh sorry councelor", "start": 22928.798, "end": 22933.878}, {"text": "Clark sorry Deputy Mayor um I was wondering if we were making any changes", "start": 22933.878, "end": 22940.878}, {"text": "at all to our insurance as it relates to cyber", "start": 22940.878, "end": 22946.958}, {"text": "security", "start": 22946.958, "end": 22949.958}, {"text": "through the chair at this time we are not making any changes to any of the policies we're just simply extending", "start": 22965.958, "end": 22972.08}, {"text": "them until uh July 1 renewal sorry can you just introduce yourself please sorry", "start": 22972.08, "end": 22978.958}, {"text": "sorry through the chair Dana mlan manager Risk Management Services thank you Dana Clark so we're", "start": 22978.958, "end": 22985.958}, {"text": "extending them theair yes we're extending the", "start": 22985.958, "end": 22991.08}, {"text": "liability and property policies the Cyber liability or the Cyber insurance", "start": 22991.08, "end": 22996.12}, {"text": "policies were already renewed earlier this year um when they were extended", "start": 22996.12, "end": 23001.24}, {"text": "through delegated authority um earlier before the Cyber", "start": 23001.24, "end": 23006.718}, {"text": "incident and so when do we examine the coverage that we have to ensure that", "start": 23006.718, "end": 23012.638}, {"text": "we're appropriately covered covered through the chair are you", "start": 23012.638, "end": 23018.28}, {"text": "speaking of the liability and property policies or the Cyber insurance policy the Cyber insurance policy specifically", "start": 23018.28, "end": 23026}, {"text": "the Cyber insurance policy will be renewed reviewed again upon renewal which that will not be until the", "start": 23026, "end": 23033.24}, {"text": "end of December", "start": 23033.24, "end": 23036.558}, {"text": "2025 okay I'll take the rest offline thank you thank you counselor uh not", "start": 23038.32, "end": 23044.878}, {"text": "seeing any further discussion on this item uh all in favor or", "start": 23044.878, "end": 23052}, {"text": "opposed that is unanimous item 10.8 the mayor's task force on transparency", "start": 23065.2, "end": 23071.6}, {"text": "access and accountability report move by mayor Horvath seconded", "start": 23071.6, "end": 23077.04}, {"text": "by you can't have all the fun councelor waying councelor mcmein uh is there any", "start": 23077.04, "end": 23084}, {"text": "dis any discussion on item 10.8 uh councilor Clark please I might have missed it but when", "start": 23084, "end": 23091.798}, {"text": "will that committee be reporting to GIC with any recommendations with regards to", "start": 23091.798, "end": 23099.32}, {"text": "transparency or accountability improvements Jessica through the chair", "start": 23099.32, "end": 23105.32}, {"text": "um we will be um had hoped originally to report back by the end of the year but given the extension there's been uh some", "start": 23105.32, "end": 23111.84}, {"text": "slight delays uh just with a couple of canceled meetings due to quum issues so that work is going to go into q1 um and", "start": 23111.84, "end": 23118.76}, {"text": "we hope to report back by the end of q1 uh with the results thank you very much", "start": 23118.76, "end": 23124}, {"text": "thank you Deputy Mayor thank you councelor mayor Horvath thanks very much I I just wanted", "start": 23124, "end": 23131.32}, {"text": "to um encourage folks to part participate in the several ways that", "start": 23131.32, "end": 23136.558}, {"text": "people can feed into this process uh uh there are uh there's an online survey we've had hundreds of responses already", "start": 23136.558, "end": 23143.44}, {"text": "uh there are um uh focus groups being set up by a vendor uh there are uh", "start": 23143.44, "end": 23149.6}, {"text": "public meetings the next one I think is December 3rd not not great participation on those public meetings so encourage", "start": 23149.6, "end": 23155.638}, {"text": "people uh to consider if they want to feed into that process and folks can also uh directly uh uh send any comments", "start": 23155.638, "end": 23163.878}, {"text": "or uh ideas or thoughts into the clerk's office directly so I just thought it was important to let folks know there's an", "start": 23163.878, "end": 23170.4}, {"text": "extension for sure but let's uh let's try to encourage people to uh to feed into the process with with that", "start": 23170.4, "end": 23176.24}, {"text": "extension in place thank you thank you mayor uh not seeing any", "start": 23176.24, "end": 23181.36}, {"text": "further discussion all in favor or opposed", "start": 23181.36, "end": 23187.478}, {"text": "that carries unanimously moving on to motions item 11.1 audit of the city of Hamilton", "start": 23200.558, "end": 23207.76}, {"text": "spending on homelessness councelor saora would you like to introduce your motion", "start": 23207.76, "end": 23212.92}, {"text": "and uh your seconder please thank you chair it's moved by myself seconded by councelor Jackson um and I'll just have", "start": 23212.92, "end": 23220.84}, {"text": "a few remarks after I'm not going to go through all the wear houses of go to the therefore be a resol and then I'll have", "start": 23220.84, "end": 23226.36}, {"text": "uh just a couple comments to make and this is that the city of Hamilton's office of the AIT General be uh", "start": 23226.36, "end": 23232.68}, {"text": "requested to conduct an audit that confirms the specific funds uh that the city of Hamilton has", "start": 23232.68, "end": 23238.44}, {"text": "allocated toward housing homelessness within the 2024 capital and operating budgets excuse me uh including", "start": 23238.44, "end": 23245.478}, {"text": "internally within the city of Hamilton externally with hosing and homeless partner stakeholders determining how", "start": 23245.478, "end": 23250.958}, {"text": "much the city of Hamilton has spent on homelessness and housing uh from the 2024 budget allocation including the", "start": 23250.958, "end": 23256.76}, {"text": "cost of providing mandated excuse me uh", "start": 23256.76, "end": 23261.798}, {"text": "chair can I move this motion to the next I got to go out I got my nose is bleeding so if", "start": 23261.798, "end": 23269.08}, {"text": "you don't mind maybe I'll come back oh thanks everyone look how helpful everybody is so we'll uh we'll resend", "start": 23269.08, "end": 23275.68}, {"text": "this motion for now we'll come back to be right back at the end of motions uh I don't know who punched you in the", "start": 23275.68, "end": 23281.638}, {"text": "face it was you", "start": 23281.638, "end": 23285.958}, {"text": "uh so we'll come back to that item 11.2 uh motion for swans seniors tenants", "start": 23287.12, "end": 23294.36}, {"text": "Association for compartment kitchen steam table in Ward six councelor", "start": 23294.36, "end": 23299.52}, {"text": "Jackson uh please introduce your motion and noting that councelor spatap for was your seconder have to pick someone else", "start": 23299.52, "end": 23307.44}, {"text": "thank you very much uh move by myself seconded by uh wow this is just awesome", "start": 23307.44, "end": 23313.08}, {"text": "really thank you so much counselor Pauls thank you I was able to get eye contact with you move by myself seconded by Ward", "start": 23313.08, "end": 23319.92}, {"text": "7 counselor Esther Pauls swans seniors tenants Association committee for compartmental kitchen steam table", "start": 23319.92, "end": 23326.2}, {"text": "whereas the Swansea tenants Association all volunteers at 801 City housing Hamilton building and W 6 are in need of", "start": 23326.2, "end": 23332.36}, {"text": "this new compartmental kitchen steam table to replace the existing damage and unrepairable steam table to ensure", "start": 23332.36, "end": 23339.2}, {"text": "warmed and hot foods can continue to be served as needed therefore be a resolved a that this kitchen steam table to the", "start": 23339.2, "end": 23344.92}, {"text": "Swansea seniors tenant association committee be funded from my w 6 Capital", "start": 23344.92, "end": 23349.958}, {"text": "discretionary account number noted to an upset limit including contingency not to exceed", "start": 23349.958, "end": 23356.44}, {"text": "35934 and B that the mayor and city clerk be authorized direct to execute any required agreements and celery", "start": 23356.44, "end": 23362.638}, {"text": "documents which such terms and conditions in inform satisfactory to City celcor shields uh Deputy Mayor Dano", "start": 23362.638, "end": 23368.798}, {"text": "just quickly want to thank always LC McCrae and Deputy clerk Pon for their help always to make make sure the", "start": 23368.798, "end": 23374.4}, {"text": "language of my motion is accurate and I want to also thank a coordinator in finance uran tanvir he was very helpful", "start": 23374.4, "end": 23382.638}, {"text": "in helping me use the appropriate account and of course president Sue MCT tiger and treasur Estelle Woolridge of", "start": 23382.638, "end": 23388.28}, {"text": "the Tennant Association at at swansey all of you now uh will never ever forget the name Swansea tenants and the uh and", "start": 23388.28, "end": 23395.24}, {"text": "the 801 upper gauge location near Mohawk Road uh I'll tell you um they have", "start": 23395.24, "end": 23400.558}, {"text": "become if you will an exemplary example of seniors that if you will have more", "start": 23400.558, "end": 23407.32}, {"text": "agility and Mobility Helping Seniors within the building that don't have as much and they have just been a dynamic", "start": 23407.32, "end": 23414.28}, {"text": "active group trying to duplicate that across other city housing Hamilton buildings uh specifically in my ward and", "start": 23414.28, "end": 23421.16}, {"text": "once in a while when they reach out to ensure the seniors with limited disposable income Deputy Mayor Dano do", "start": 23421.16, "end": 23427.718}, {"text": "not have to worry about fundraising Andor parting with their much needed disposable income towards their rent and", "start": 23427.718, "end": 23434}, {"text": "food this is where hopefully my office and with your support as in the past uh can come to fruition so once again move", "start": 23434, "end": 23440.68}, {"text": "by myself second by counselor Pauls hopefully for your support thanks Deputy Mayor Dano thank you councelor", "start": 23440.68, "end": 23448.682}, {"text": "Jackson no speakers on the speakers list okay uh with that we will go to the vote", "start": 23449, "end": 23456.398}, {"text": "all in favor or opposed", "start": 23456.398, "end": 23460.52}, {"text": "that carries unanimously moving on to item 11.3", "start": 23471.32, "end": 23479.16}, {"text": "ensuring Public Safety and the preservation of Hamilton's built environment mayor Horvath would you", "start": 23479.16, "end": 23484.6}, {"text": "please introduce your motion and your second uh thanks very much uh um Deputy", "start": 23484.6, "end": 23490.478}, {"text": "Mayor Dan Co it's moved by myself and seconded by Council Nan uh that whereas", "start": 23490.478, "end": 23495.878}, {"text": "the city of Hamilton is committed to ensuring Public Safety and the preservation of its built environment whereas the significant deterioration of", "start": 23495.878, "end": 23502.32}, {"text": "built structures can pose serious risks to the safety integrity and Liv livability of Hamilton's neighborhoods", "start": 23502.32, "end": 23508.76}, {"text": "and whereas timely and comprehensive responses by the city of Hamilton to deteriorating built structures are", "start": 23508.76, "end": 23514.08}, {"text": "essential for maintaining the Public's safety trust and confidence therefore be it resolved a that staff be directed to", "start": 23514.08, "end": 23520.36}, {"text": "conduct a thorough review of the recent building collapses in downtown to H downtown Hamilton including a complete", "start": 23520.36, "end": 23526.04}, {"text": "history and timeline of All City interactions relating to the physical state of these buildings uh example inspections designations bylaw", "start": 23526.04, "end": 23532.798}, {"text": "infractions penalties permits Etc U and Analysis of an analysis of the causes", "start": 23532.798, "end": 23539.32}, {"text": "leading to the collapse of these properties B that staff be directed to compile an inventory of buildings and", "start": 23539.32, "end": 23544.558}, {"text": "structures across the city of Hamilton that have been subject to Property Standards by law enforcement building code violations or other safety related", "start": 23544.558, "end": 23551}, {"text": "concerns C that staff be directed to undertake a a review of current enforcement processes related to", "start": 23551, "end": 23556.08}, {"text": "building structure safety and Property Standards identify potential gaps and report back with findings and propose", "start": 23556.08, "end": 23562.44}, {"text": "changes to ensure timely enforcement of bylaws and regulations with the aim of", "start": 23562.44, "end": 23568}, {"text": "achieving better outcomes and increasing accountability that staff be directed to provide recommendations for updates to", "start": 23568, "end": 23574.32}, {"text": "City policies and bylaws including but not limited to the property stand standards bylaw and that staff be", "start": 23574.32, "end": 23580.68}, {"text": "directed to provide a preliminary report with the relevant findings and possible interm recommendations to a", "start": 23580.68, "end": 23586.28}, {"text": "general issues committee meeting in q1 2025 and I'll speak to it briefly in fact as we're having this motion uh", "start": 23586.28, "end": 23593.32}, {"text": "before us the remainder of the buildings are being torn down on the south side of the gore uh but um what it speaks to in", "start": 23593.32, "end": 23600.84}, {"text": "my mind is a a complete failure of processes here uh I don't see buildings falling down in every city around us", "start": 23600.84, "end": 23607.398}, {"text": "that doesn't seem to be the case so there's something not right in the city of Hamilton when it comes to how we", "start": 23607.398, "end": 23613.32}, {"text": "address uh these kinds of situations and I'm not going to presuppose what those things are uh but I am going to say as mayor I", "start": 23613.32, "end": 23620.558}, {"text": "do not accept buildings falling down and potentially harming people uh which", "start": 23620.558, "end": 23627.398}, {"text": "could likely have happened not all that long ago on on Remembrance Day folks will remember that we were at the", "start": 23627.398, "end": 23633.6}, {"text": "Garrison parade on this Sunday uh and not not even 24 hours later uh not even", "start": 23633.6, "end": 23640.398}, {"text": "24 hours after literally hundreds of who veterans people in service police", "start": 23640.398, "end": 23646.36}, {"text": "officers firefighters uh folks who are in the active reserves of all parts of", "start": 23646.36, "end": 23652.68}, {"text": "the uh uh the Armed Forces of for for our country were walking past that", "start": 23652.68, "end": 23657.878}, {"text": "building it literally could have fallen on all those people who we were honoring that day and it just it's unbelievable I", "start": 23657.878, "end": 23665.798}, {"text": "have not been able to have a single day where I haven't thought about that it's terrible it's it's actually traumatizing", "start": 23665.798, "end": 23672.558}, {"text": "and it's absolutely un acceptable and so I'm not going to lay blame on anyone or anything but what I can say is this city", "start": 23672.558, "end": 23679.558}, {"text": "can and must do better and whether it's a Heritage building or any other", "start": 23679.558, "end": 23685.08}, {"text": "building this is not an acceptable situation or scenario and it should have", "start": 23685.08, "end": 23690.878}, {"text": "never been and it should never be again and so I'm asking for as robust uh an", "start": 23690.878, "end": 23696.958}, {"text": "examination as possible into all of the things the things that are in this resolution as well as anything else that", "start": 23696.958, "end": 23703.16}, {"text": "can be brought to the table that will create a regime where people respect", "start": 23703.16, "end": 23708.68}, {"text": "their obligations when it comes to the health and safety of our community the built environment uh and the the various", "start": 23708.68, "end": 23716.718}, {"text": "kinds of tools if you will or uh procedures that we have in place uh that", "start": 23716.718, "end": 23723.68}, {"text": "are supposed to provide uh that uh that level of expectation around how people", "start": 23723.68, "end": 23729.2}, {"text": "uh are managing or dealing with property uh and so again", "start": 23729.2, "end": 23734.398}, {"text": "this isn't prescriptive so much as it is uh a a a plea and a call and a", "start": 23734.398, "end": 23741.84}, {"text": "requirement and a uh you know a a requirement that the solutions be found", "start": 23741.84, "end": 23748.28}, {"text": "this didn't happen overnight as we all know this building didn't suddenly fall down in the last like without without a", "start": 23748.28, "end": 23754.958}, {"text": "serious amount of time having gone by uh where whatever tools and procedures we", "start": 23754.958, "end": 23760.878}, {"text": "have in place uh could and should have been implemented maybe they were if they", "start": 23760.878, "end": 23766.04}, {"text": "were they're not good enough and so we have to get to much much much much better so that I as the mayor and every", "start": 23766.04, "end": 23773.12}, {"text": "single member around this Council table can be confident uh that we are", "start": 23773.12, "end": 23778.398}, {"text": "addressing uh the um you know literally the disaster uh that is that is still", "start": 23778.398, "end": 23783.84}, {"text": "unfolding uh in our downtown I I had prepared notes I didn't use them but I think you folks uh would agree that um", "start": 23783.84, "end": 23791.24}, {"text": "this is not acceptable and uh and we need to do better thank you thank you mayor uh we do have a a speakers list on", "start": 23791.24, "end": 23799}, {"text": "this uh motion before you uh councelor cret followed by councelor Nan councelor", "start": 23799, "end": 23804.398}, {"text": "Meen Wilson Clark and Jackson councelor cret please thanks and I appreciate the", "start": 23804.398, "end": 23809.958}, {"text": "words from the mayor on this subject as council's Heritage rep this has been something that's been on my mind since I", "start": 23809.958, "end": 23816.44}, {"text": "was appointed to join that committee and we have an endangered Heritage buildings list and we discuss those things at the committee but obviously we need to do", "start": 23816.44, "end": 23823}, {"text": "more than that more than have those discussions find ways to ensure these things don't happen we were on a literal tour", "start": 23823, "end": 23829.478}, {"text": "actually oddly for those who don't know I held an endangered Heritage landmarks tour VO 2 where you went around and", "start": 23829.478, "end": 23836.398}, {"text": "looked at some of these Heritage landmarks our tour stopped the day before right in front of this building", "start": 23836.398, "end": 23843.52}, {"text": "so as the mayor says if we had just had a slight difference all the people who joined me on the tour um would have", "start": 23843.52, "end": 23848.638}, {"text": "certainly been seriously injured by the building collapsing so this kind of thing just cannot happen as the May says", "start": 23848.638, "end": 23853.958}, {"text": "and whatever the reasons are whatever kinds of rules we have in front of us whatever kinds of Property Standards rules we need to improve whatever we", "start": 23853.958, "end": 23860.638}, {"text": "need to look at in terms of the Ontario Heritage act in terms of the kinds of Heritage permits we apply and the Covenant we can put in those Heritage", "start": 23860.638, "end": 23866.638}, {"text": "permits if we need to expropriate land from people who aren't willing to deal with it then we have to do those kinds of things might be expensive might be uh", "start": 23866.638, "end": 23874.718}, {"text": "difficult to do but if we're concerned about valuing these Heritage landmarks we have to take it seriously and this isn't the only one", "start": 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"want to ask a you know what what on the high level is that look like and B what can't we talk about as a result of", "start": 23918.44, "end": 23924.638}, {"text": "having an investigation ongoing and I have two more quick questions so just before staff answers", "start": 23924.638, "end": 23931.52}, {"text": "um I want to try to focus our questions and answers on the Direction That's", "start": 23931.52, "end": 23936.6}, {"text": "before us not an open discussion about what happened I think what you're asking is in order because it is is directly", "start": 23936.6, "end": 23943.878}, {"text": "related but just try to try to focus on the Direction That's before us not an open debate over over the issue no fair", "start": 23943.878, "end": 23951.958}, {"text": "enough that's great it's just that I think the delegation was referred to this item and so I want to make sure I asked the questions now not back then", "start": 23951.958, "end": 23958.16}, {"text": "but yeah I'll keep I'll keep them n as narrow as possible understood thank", "start": 23958.16, "end": 23963.556}, {"text": "you yeah through the chair basically from the building division Point side is", "start": 23966.28, "end": 23972.12}, {"text": "if a building is considered safe we take actions on the building Cod act um normally that's done either through an", "start": 23972.12, "end": 23978.2}, {"text": "engineer report that's given to us in terms of if we feel if they feel the", "start": 23978.2, "end": 23983.32}, {"text": "building is unsafe we'll go there confirm or not and if it is unsafe we'll put an order on it to get it repaired", "start": 23983.32, "end": 23990.16}, {"text": "stabilized or demolished depending on the condition of it um don't know if get to specifics but normally if we feel a", "start": 23990.16, "end": 23997.36}, {"text": "building needs a engineer report we can also put an order on it saying um because of the condition of the building", "start": 23997.36, "end": 24003.76}, {"text": "we' like to have a engineer review the structure of the building and provide us a report as to the stability and what", "start": 24003.76, "end": 24010.28}, {"text": "condition it's in thank you I'll ask my second question now and then come back to my original question because I don't think it quite got answered but since", "start": 24010.28, "end": 24016.12}, {"text": "you brought it up whose Engineers reports are we relying on and why normally it would be the owner's", "start": 24016.12, "end": 24022.798}, {"text": "reports uh but we verify by going on site do a visual inspection to see if the report is appear is accurate or not", "start": 24022.798, "end": 24030.16}, {"text": "when you say we go on site who goes on site from City staff is like inor building inspector will go on site so if", "start": 24030.16, "end": 24036.08}, {"text": "they're saying the front of the building is moving we look attit there's any cracks if there's any evidence of", "start": 24036.08, "end": 24041.84}, {"text": "movement um normally we won't go inside if it's unsafe but they'll Pro usually", "start": 24041.84, "end": 24046.958}, {"text": "the engineer will provide us photos of the interior of the building based and based on that we can do the determination of the condition of the", "start": 24046.958, "end": 24053.558}, {"text": "building so if I just want to make sure just for me to understand this clearly an engineer will go and on behalf of the", "start": 24053.558, "end": 24060.44}, {"text": "developer will have a report that they'll give to us and then on our side we don't have an engineer go and sort of", "start": 24060.44, "end": 24067}, {"text": "verify that we have an inspector which is not the same as an engineer if I understand it or could you explain that yeah through the chair we do have", "start": 24067, "end": 24072.68}, {"text": "Engineers on staff so if there's a concern about the way the report is written we'll have engineers in our", "start": 24072.68, "end": 24077.92}, {"text": "staff that will review the report also um and we can also always conduct a", "start": 24077.92, "end": 24082.958}, {"text": "third party review if we're not satisfied with the engineers report but usually these are professionals they", "start": 24082.958, "end": 24088.68}, {"text": "have to live by a certain code of conduct so if they do something on a report that uh inaccurate we could", "start": 24088.68, "end": 24094.958}, {"text": "report them to the peo of the Professional Engineers Association okay thank you for explaining that so back to my original", "start": 24094.958, "end": 24100.478}, {"text": "question I'm not so much right now talking about the orders I think that whenever the investigation is completed we'll have some more information about", "start": 24100.478, "end": 24106.16}, {"text": "that what I'm talking about is a situation where something did already happened so we're investigating what happened at this point not going back", "start": 24106.16, "end": 24112.878}, {"text": "and saying well we could have applied orders or whatever I'm assuming there's an investigation underway at this time", "start": 24112.878, "end": 24118.04}, {"text": "to determine what occurred and who's responsible is that what's happening yeah through the chair basically what we're doing in this case uh we we're", "start": 24118.04, "end": 24124.76}, {"text": "going to be reviewing the process and as the mayor stated we will provide a report outlining this what steps were", "start": 24124.76, "end": 24131.44}, {"text": "taking what happened and what the conditions that we found on site right but we will provide a report provide an", "start": 24131.44, "end": 24137.32}, {"text": "investigation and review what what happened in this situation okay so there will be a report coming forward after", "start": 24137.32, "end": 24143.718}, {"text": "you've done finishing the investigation and obviously while you're doing the investigation you're limited as to what you can say about the investigation I", "start": 24143.718, "end": 24149.36}, {"text": "understand that my last question what are the and this is a very broad question not about this specific", "start": 24149.36, "end": 24154.638}, {"text": "situation but I think it's not easy for people to find this information so I'm trying to get it out there for myself and others what's a maximum penalty in a", "start": 24154.638, "end": 24161.68}, {"text": "situation like this for an owner um who can answer that question under the Ontario Heritage act or some other act", "start": 24161.68, "end": 24167.52}, {"text": "what are what are the maximum penalties in place if we have a finding of some kind well this would be under the onaral", "start": 24167.52, "end": 24172.68}, {"text": "building code I don't have the find but it can be quite excessive for a company", "start": 24172.68, "end": 24178.24}, {"text": "or an individual depending what what organization with the organization or not uh I can let you know but it can be", "start": 24178.24, "end": 24185.958}, {"text": "it's up to the courts to decide at that point what the fine would be but they can be fined on a different uh under", "start": 24185.958, "end": 24192.16}, {"text": "different statutes and building code will be one of them for us there's also Property Standards could be another one", "start": 24192.16, "end": 24198.878}, {"text": "so there there are charges that could be laid how soon will the investigation be", "start": 24198.878, "end": 24204.44}, {"text": "done that's hard to say the building is is just being demolished at this time but we are in the process of gathering", "start": 24204.44, "end": 24209.92}, {"text": "all the information it should be like said by q1 I think think we should be able to provide the report or in the", "start": 24209.92, "end": 24215.718}, {"text": "next little depends how quickly we can pull out all the files and the information that we have okay I'll", "start": 24215.718, "end": 24221.52}, {"text": "reserve my comments until the investigation's been completed but of course I feel very strongly like the mayor does about the situation and about", "start": 24221.52, "end": 24227.24}, {"text": "ensuring that whoever's responsible is held accountable thank you thank you councelor and sorry George can you just", "start": 24227.24, "end": 24233.36}, {"text": "uh for the record make sure we you're we have your name in position uh my name is", "start": 24233.36, "end": 24239}, {"text": "George kaitano I'm actually right now I'm the acting Chief Building official uh until Rob Loi the director is", "start": 24239, "end": 24247}, {"text": "appointed thank you uh next on our speakers list is", "start": 24247, "end": 24252.32}, {"text": "councelor Nan followed by councelor Morin Wilson Clark and Jackson councelor Nan please thank you Deputy Mayor happy", "start": 24252.32, "end": 24258.718}, {"text": "to Second it although in light of recent events it could have easily been councelor crutch um but that said the", "start": 24258.718, "end": 24265}, {"text": "reason I appreciate being asked to Second this is because in the summer of 2022 uh the facade fell down at 455 4 57", "start": 24265, "end": 24273.638}, {"text": "459 King Street East um the tenants living in that building were repeatedly", "start": 24273.638, "end": 24278.798}, {"text": "flagging the deplorable conditions of the building years prior to it taking", "start": 24278.798, "end": 24284.16}, {"text": "place the building owner was negligent and our offices I'm sure my", "start": 24284.16, "end": 24290.68}, {"text": "office is not the only one continue hearing from tenants often about the older building stock and poor standards", "start": 24290.68, "end": 24297.12}, {"text": "of upkeep including concerns that are structural in nature without the kind of reports that would give them comp", "start": 24297.12, "end": 24302.958}, {"text": "confidence and assurances that their home is a safe place that they can continue living in safely but also find", "start": 24302.958, "end": 24309.12}, {"text": "pride in home of when the facade fell off it displaced those tenants and it", "start": 24309.12, "end": 24314.718}, {"text": "resulted in the city carrying out the structural stabilization of the building at a cost cancer cret you talked about", "start": 24314.718, "end": 24320.6}, {"text": "fines but this the cost of structurally stabilizing this building was well over", "start": 24320.6, "end": 24326.878}, {"text": "$600,000 which the municipality is cost recovering through property tax sear charge", "start": 24326.878, "end": 24334.6}, {"text": "it's now November 2024 more than 2 and a half years later since the facade fell down and prep for the demolition is only", "start": 24334.68, "end": 24342.92}, {"text": "occurring now despite repeated requests for an expediated process to address the", "start": 24342.92, "end": 24348.638}, {"text": "physical safety to the adjacent Community it's further attracted criminal activity kitty corner to an", "start": 24348.638, "end": 24355.478}, {"text": "elementary school that has been cut off from sidewalk use pedestrian access as", "start": 24355.478, "end": 24361.24}, {"text": "well as taken away parking in in front of all small other small businesses in front of that building it's LED", "start": 24361.24, "end": 24368.16}, {"text": "residents to question throughout W 3 and emails that I've received from residents", "start": 24368.16, "end": 24373.28}, {"text": "outside of w 3 why building owners appear to be held to a lower standard", "start": 24373.28, "end": 24378.76}, {"text": "and to point out that structural and systemic failures are in practice as", "start": 24378.76, "end": 24384.36}, {"text": "well residents have been questioning whether such a scen scenario would have played out in other commercial corridors", "start": 24384.36, "end": 24390.2}, {"text": "in the city that they perceive as being more economically prosperous those are questions no", "start": 24390.2, "end": 24397.638}, {"text": "resident in this city should ever have to ask of their Municipal Council or", "start": 24397.638, "end": 24403.12}, {"text": "their City there should be no perception by any Resident across this city that they", "start": 24403.12, "end": 24409.798}, {"text": "are subject to experiences or services at a lower rate as a result of their", "start": 24409.798, "end": 24416.24}, {"text": "perceived proximity to economic Prosperity this is a Hamilton for", "start": 24416.24, "end": 24422.08}, {"text": "everyone where everyone belongs and there needs to be impeccable", "start": 24422.08, "end": 24428.636}, {"text": "consistency impeccable consistency I don't think that's too much to ask for when it comes to public service and when", "start": 24432.04, "end": 24439.28}, {"text": "it comes to issues that are directly correlated to Public Safety thank", "start": 24439.28, "end": 24445.2}, {"text": "goodness all the gods that nobody was harmed over the course of those", "start": 24445.2, "end": 24451.92}, {"text": "buildings falling down whether those that have fallen down previously years prior or to the ones", "start": 24451.92, "end": 24458.76}, {"text": "that just happened recently so wholly in favor of this uh motion thank you to all my Council colleagues who've been trying", "start": 24458.76, "end": 24465.798}, {"text": "to raise alarm Bells around this issue uh really is a collective effort thank you so much mayor for your", "start": 24465.798, "end": 24471.24}, {"text": "motion thank you councelor Dan councelor Moran", "start": 24471.24, "end": 24476.44}, {"text": "Wilson thank you thank you for those comments councelor Nan H thank you to mayor horth for this very important", "start": 24476.44, "end": 24482.84}, {"text": "motion um my questions are uh specific to B just so I understand the fullness", "start": 24482.84, "end": 24490.28}, {"text": "of of what will be coming back will we um in the compilation of", "start": 24490.28, "end": 24498.04}, {"text": "the inventory will staff be able to show a a a visual or Geographic dispersement", "start": 24498.04, "end": 24505.28}, {"text": "of that inventory through the chair through the chair to the counselor", "start": 24505.28, "end": 24511.76}, {"text": "absolutely we'll be able to that throughout the city okay and", "start": 24511.76, "end": 24517.638}, {"text": "um with respect to um uh would would you", "start": 24517.638, "end": 24523.878}, {"text": "be able to advise this body of those", "start": 24523.878, "end": 24529.68}, {"text": "standards um that are flagged by neighbors or residents versus those that", "start": 24529.68, "end": 24536.32}, {"text": "are initiated uh and flagged by the city", "start": 24536.32, "end": 24541.36}, {"text": "through the chair and I could provide context for my answer if it would help yes please okay", "start": 24541.36, "end": 24549.92}, {"text": "so I in the past um when concerns of Property Standards and um potential uh", "start": 24549.92, "end": 24558.28}, {"text": "violations have been raised uh I've been informed that our", "start": 24558.28, "end": 24564.08}, {"text": "system is working well um", "start": 24564.08, "end": 24569.24}, {"text": "and um that uh we are proactive and also in", "start": 24571.32, "end": 24578.878}, {"text": "service or it's alerted by residents my challenge with that uh just", "start": 24578.878, "end": 24585.04}, {"text": "speaking personally from a w one perspective is that there are some residents who are more equipped than", "start": 24585.04, "end": 24591.76}, {"text": "others whether it be uh the solid nature of their uh tendency their language how", "start": 24591.76, "end": 24599.16}, {"text": "often they are living here that uh affords them perhaps um the opportunity", "start": 24599.16, "end": 24606.878}, {"text": "in which to to advocate so I'm trying to understand the deliverable here in that", "start": 24606.878, "end": 24612.2}, {"text": "will you be able to in your compilation of the inventory be able to tell us were", "start": 24612.2, "end": 24617.638}, {"text": "those uh things how are they brought to the city's attention either by a", "start": 24617.638, "end": 24623.52}, {"text": "inspector and or by initiated by a resident and or a", "start": 24623.52, "end": 24628.638}, {"text": "counselor through the chair through the chair to the counselor that is certainly something we can put a lens on I I'm not", "start": 24628.638, "end": 24634.36}, {"text": "sure if I can commit to that delineation right now it would depend what records we are able to pull from but if we are", "start": 24634.36, "end": 24640.76}, {"text": "able to separate it out from whether it be Council Council concerns resident concerns or proactive staff concerns", "start": 24640.76, "end": 24646.52}, {"text": "we'll certainly take that into account in the report back that would be helpful um finally in Pro the provision of the", "start": 24646.52, "end": 24653.84}, {"text": "inventory will the um is it permissible for the ownership to be identified", "start": 24653.84, "end": 24660.92}, {"text": "through the chair", "start": 24660.92, "end": 24664.28}, {"text": "through the chair to the counselor I don't believe that that information can be shared but I will work with our legal counterparts and if we can provide it we", "start": 24674.84, "end": 24681.76}, {"text": "will okay thank you thank you councelor Wilson uh", "start": 24681.76, "end": 24688}, {"text": "councelor Clark followed by councelor Jackson before might begin my question", "start": 24688, "end": 24693.558}, {"text": "is just intill to councelor Wilson's question if we can't have the names can", "start": 24693.558, "end": 24698.718}, {"text": "we have the addresses through the chair to the counselor address is yes thank", "start": 24698.718, "end": 24704.798}, {"text": "you uh so my first question a little bit of context last term I brought forward a", "start": 24704.798, "end": 24711.958}, {"text": "motion um shortly after our CS paradise and Red", "start": 24711.958, "end": 24718.52}, {"text": "Hill Valley um Fiasco", "start": 24718.52, "end": 24723.68}, {"text": "go that staff must notify councel if", "start": 24723.68, "end": 24728.798}, {"text": "there is imminent risk to the safety of the public or the safety of", "start": 24728.798, "end": 24734.36}, {"text": "employees I understand the report on the building indicated that there was safety", "start": 24734.36, "end": 24740.68}, {"text": "risks why wasn't Council advised in advance if this building was in that", "start": 24740.68, "end": 24747.396}, {"text": "condition under the ontari building code we if it it turned to be unsafe we are", "start": 24749.44, "end": 24754.92}, {"text": "required to take actions right away but we we would attempt to advise Council", "start": 24754.92, "end": 24760.2}, {"text": "soon after that there is there was an issue either through a communicate or through some sort of information package", "start": 24760.2, "end": 24766.958}, {"text": "the problem there is if we're dealing with an unsafe condition like a building is collapsing we have to take action right away we we try to communicate as", "start": 24766.958, "end": 24773.958}, {"text": "soon as possible in this case I'm not sure when it was there was a communicate that went out I think it was not and you", "start": 24773.958, "end": 24782.2}, {"text": "did take actions did the actions result in improving the safety of the", "start": 24782.2, "end": 24788.24}, {"text": "public the actions would not safe order was issued and to ensure that the building if had to the P portion that", "start": 24788.24, "end": 24795.04}, {"text": "were being that was Fallen that they be removed in a safe Manner and that the building either be be removed to remove", "start": 24795.04, "end": 24801.92}, {"text": "the unsafe or demolished removing the unsafe condition sorry Steve Rish", "start": 24801.92, "end": 24807.398}, {"text": "counselor I'm not trying to split hairs here but the engineering reports as I understand submitted prior to November", "start": 24807.398, "end": 24813.718}, {"text": "11th did not indicate that the building was in unsafe and needed to be removed", "start": 24813.718, "end": 24819.84}, {"text": "the engineering reports that we were receiving identified that structural Rehabilitation or Works were required to", "start": 24819.84, "end": 24826.36}, {"text": "stabilize the building but it was not saying that the building was IM that needed to be removed because as soon as", "start": 24826.36, "end": 24832.24}, {"text": "we receive an Engineers report saying that the building is structurally unsound and if we concur with that engineer's recommendations then we have", "start": 24832.24, "end": 24839.398}, {"text": "an obligation to have that building demolished as soon as possible so um the", "start": 24839.398, "end": 24844.798}, {"text": "owners were and their Consulting engineer was working at uh providing reports to stabilize the building and", "start": 24844.798, "end": 24850.52}, {"text": "ensure that the building was in a safe condition at no time did the engineers reports as I understand it indicate that", "start": 24850.52, "end": 24856.558}, {"text": "the building was unsafe and that goes for some of the other Heritage buildings in the city that are currently being", "start": 24856.558, "end": 24863}, {"text": "stabilized for example the one at H Street and Maine we have working with the owners there to ensure that that", "start": 24863, "end": 24869}, {"text": "building is in a safe condition and the owner taking actions to stabilize that building as well so I I don't want to", "start": 24869, "end": 24875.16}, {"text": "split hairs but it's an important distinction as to what information we receive from the professional cons", "start": 24875.16, "end": 24880.878}, {"text": "engineers in terms of what are the next steps in terms of how we deal with the building what we did receive post", "start": 24880.878, "end": 24887.2}, {"text": "November 11th was that the buildings were unsafe and that they needed to be demolished because of the instability of", "start": 24887.2, "end": 24894.12}, {"text": "the situation thank you sorry just I'm going to interject as well I don't want to split hairs either uh but we are", "start": 24894.12, "end": 24900.44}, {"text": "getting into discussion of the specific of this particular incident and not Citywide policy which is the subject of", "start": 24900.44, "end": 24907.478}, {"text": "this motion although it is somewhat related so councelor Council Clark please uh please I'm struggling chair", "start": 24907.478, "end": 24915}, {"text": "this is the first opportunity that this General issues committee has an opportunity to ask questions after this", "start": 24915, "end": 24920.44}, {"text": "building collaps and now I'm being told I can't ask those questions I I'm saying technically", "start": 24920.44, "end": 24926.92}, {"text": "speaking what is in order before us is Citywide policy that is under the", "start": 24926.92, "end": 24932.36}, {"text": "Direction That's before us not the specifics of this particular", "start": 24932.36, "end": 24938.84}, {"text": "collapse okay I'm going to continue with my questions and if you think I'm out of order you can let me know please", "start": 24938.84, "end": 24945.2}, {"text": "sir why wasn't a safety cdon put out in front of the building so that the people who are", "start": 24945.2, "end": 24952.6}, {"text": "walking on that sidewalk would walk around the corridor and we did it with a building that was leaning and you put a", "start": 24952.6, "end": 24959.52}, {"text": "big fence up around it so people couldn't walk near the building cu the building was deemed to be", "start": 24959.52, "end": 24965.68}, {"text": "unsafe I 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comment um for somebody who's uh been", "start": 25066, "end": 25073.44}, {"text": "around this table for 30 plus years and I kind of uh uh alluded to it and", "start": 25073.44, "end": 25078.92}, {"text": "intimated to it I think a couple of weeks ago in advance a preview of your motion coming today", "start": 25078.92, "end": 25084.878}, {"text": "mayor Horvath there's an intersect happing here we've got Heritage", "start": 25084.878, "end": 25090.08}, {"text": "Advocates we've got engineering reports we got building department uh inspectors", "start": 25090.08, "end": 25096.04}, {"text": "we got mle enforcement and we got the land owners building owners private", "start": 25096.04, "end": 25102.558}, {"text": "responsibility and at some point in time we've got to get all players together", "start": 25102.558, "end": 25107.84}, {"text": "around a table when there is a vacant abandoned or unused building for a", "start": 25107.84, "end": 25114.398}, {"text": "particular time I know past colleagues and myself we struggled with this uh", "start": 25114.398, "end": 25119.6}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor Dano was such a frustration the Heritage Advocates saying one thing", "start": 25119.6, "end": 25125.08}, {"text": "the building Engineers saying uh offering some troubling signs the owner", "start": 25125.08, "end": 25130.16}, {"text": "of the property just kind of uh hanging in there holding off holding off until whatever appropriate time and mle", "start": 25130.16, "end": 25137.76}, {"text": "providing some enforcement uh within their limited ability to do the full enfor ment whatever the case was and I", "start": 25137.76, "end": 25144.36}, {"text": "just found that intersect was just in constant uh conflict like a traffic jam", "start": 25144.36, "end": 25150.44}, {"text": "at an intersection it was just congestion and it just seemed like every", "start": 25150.44, "end": 25156.12}, {"text": "part of the issue or that location wasn't potentially pulling in the same", "start": 25156.12, "end": 25162.16}, {"text": "direction to try to get a consensus to whatever best win-win-win outcome we", "start": 25162.16, "end": 25167.32}, {"text": "could get the tiv is around the corner Deputy Mayor Dano", "start": 25167.32, "end": 25172.878}, {"text": "and so this issue isn't going away the mayor's motion is absolutely timely and", "start": 25172.878, "end": 25178.558}, {"text": "please colleagues new colleagues this isn't this wasn't for past efforts or", "start": 25178.558, "end": 25184.68}, {"text": "lack of efforts or inadequate past efforts you're going to be facing the", "start": 25184.68, "end": 25190.36}, {"text": "same type of balancing act that colleagues of mine of the past tried to", "start": 25190.36, "end": 25195.52}, {"text": "do when buildings were either designated Heritage Community wanted them", "start": 25195.52, "end": 25200.798}, {"text": "designated heritage there was really no opportunity or appetite by the owner of the site to want Heritage designation", "start": 25200.798, "end": 25208.28}, {"text": "hence allowing time to go by and then things like a collapse occurs and they", "start": 25208.28, "end": 25213.84}, {"text": "get on with a brand new spanking development so all I'm saying is we need all players at the table at the same", "start": 25213.84, "end": 25219.36}, {"text": "time thanks Deputy Mary Dano thank you counselor uh second time councelor", "start": 25219.36, "end": 25226.558}, {"text": "Clark thank you Deputy Mayor may I inquire the investigation that is ensuing at the presid time so not", "start": 25226.558, "end": 25234.12}, {"text": "specific to the mayor because that's giving reports on many other structures", "start": 25234.12, "end": 25239.878}, {"text": "but on this specific building the investigation that is being undertaken at the present", "start": 25239.878, "end": 25246.478}, {"text": "time the results of that investigation can it result in provin", "start": 25246.478, "end": 25252.558}, {"text": "provincial offenses charges to the property owner", "start": 25252.558, "end": 25259.042}, {"text": "uh Rob La director of building uh through the chair we're still investigating that we're still investigating the active site and we", "start": 25271.68, "end": 25278.52}, {"text": "still need to have a discussion with legal on what type of action we're going to be taking if", "start": 25278.52, "end": 25285.04}, {"text": "any I I to be clear my question was probably more hypothetical you're doing", "start": 25285.52, "end": 25291.52}, {"text": "the investigation does the city of Hamilton", "start": 25291.52, "end": 25296.68}, {"text": "have authority with provincial offenses to lay charges if a property owner", "start": 25296.68, "end": 25304.28}, {"text": "deliberately neglects a building and it collapses or if an engineer is found to", "start": 25304.28, "end": 25309.558}, {"text": "be wanting in their reports on that building does the munic it it just seems", 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have to be reviewed and we have to discuss with legal but from a philosophy", "start": 25360, "end": 25368.12}, {"text": "perspective as an organization we need to be holding people accountable we need to hold folks", "start": 25368.12, "end": 25375.32}, {"text": "accountable for what's happening and we need to hold ourselves accountable for finding processes that allow us to do so", "start": 25375.32, "end": 25382.08}, {"text": "because we have to ensure the safety of this community and allowing buildings to collapse does not do that so we are", "start": 25382.08, "end": 25390.84}, {"text": "collectively committed to finding ways to ensure accountability and councilor Clark just before you continue I'm going", "start": 25390.84, "end": 25396.92}, {"text": "to tie this back to the motion that's before us and see in that motion does direct staff to undertake a review of", "start": 25396.92, "end": 25403.12}, {"text": "current enforcement processes relating to building safety and Property Standards thanks for giving me that", "start": 25403.12, "end": 25410.16}, {"text": "opportunity to keep going um to the city manager sincerely thank", "start": 25410.16, "end": 25416.08}, {"text": "you for that response that's what we're wanting to hear that there is going to be an", "start": 25416.08, "end": 25422.28}, {"text": "investigation that we're going to look at holding people accountable both", "start": 25422.28, "end": 25427.36}, {"text": "outside and within the city these things cannot continue to happen the mayor's", "start": 25427.36, "end": 25433.798}, {"text": "motion is go forward how do we make sure that this doesn't repeat itself which I appreciate but we still don't have all", "start": 25433.798, "end": 25440.84}, {"text": "the answers as to to what the hell happened here so thank you for that I thank the mayor's motion and I will", "start": 25440.84, "end": 25447.28}, {"text": "absolutely support it thank you councelor Clark uh no further speakers", "start": 25447.28, "end": 25452.84}, {"text": "on the speakers list uh so with that was moved by mayor horv seconded by", "start": 25452.84, "end": 25458.08}, {"text": "councelor Nan all in favor or opposed", "start": 25458.08, "end": 25462.958}, {"text": "that carries", "start": 25480.36, "end": 25482.92}, {"text": "unanimously oh uh moving going back uh to item 11.1 the audit of the city of", "start": 25485.478, "end": 25492.92}, {"text": "Hamilton spending on homelessness uh councelor sport spatap for is rejoined committee this afternoon so councelor", "start": 25492.92, "end": 25499.32}, {"text": "spatap for I'll go to you thank you chair and I guess uh Tuesday", "start": 25499.32, "end": 25504.84}, {"text": "nights are not the right time to have my son use me as a punching bag but it's always fun so back to you", "start": 25504.84, "end": 25514.52}, {"text": "um my audit motion it's uh moved by myself second by counselor Jackson um", "start": 25514.52, "end": 25521.04}, {"text": "I'm sure people have had the opportunity to read the whereas as I'll go to there for be resolved and a few um comments", "start": 25521.04, "end": 25526.878}, {"text": "from myself um therefore be a resolved that the city Hamilton Office of the AUD General be requested asked to conduct an", "start": 25526.878, "end": 25534.52}, {"text": "audit that confirms the specific funds the city of Hamilton has allocated toward hosing and homeless within the 2024 capital and operating budgets", "start": 25534.52, "end": 25541.76}, {"text": "including internally within the city of Hamilton and externally with the housing and homelessness partner", "start": 25541.76, "end": 25547.04}, {"text": "stakeholders determines how much city the city of Hamilton has spent on housing and homelessness from the 2024", "start": 25547.04, "end": 25553.08}, {"text": "budget allocation including the cost of providing mandated services and programs in the areas of Housing and homelessness", "start": 25553.08, "end": 25560.44}, {"text": "determines the number of City of Hamilton staff and contracted staff supported from the 2024 capital and", "start": 25560.44, "end": 25565.958}, {"text": "operating budgets and their corresponding specific budgetary costs reviews the procurement process used to", "start": 25565.958, "end": 25572.36}, {"text": "contract local service providers who provide services associated with housing and homelessness for the city Hamilton", "start": 25572.36, "end": 25578.6}, {"text": "and reviews the process used by the city of Hamilton to verify how funding allocations have been spent and uh a few", "start": 25578.6, "end": 25585.958}, {"text": "points for me I want to make it clear um I had a conversation with the auto general I'm not looking to to direct his", "start": 25585.958, "end": 25593.08}, {"text": "office um this work is on his 2025 work plan the scope of work for that audit", "start": 25593.08, "end": 25599.718}, {"text": "has not started um so the motion is 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{"text": "tool we can use with the province uh today I think someone mentioned that you know there was a slide with four", "start": 25645.718, "end": 25652.68}, {"text": "four topics or five topics and and the millions of dollars that were spent in those areas I think if you can go to the", "start": 25652.68, "end": 25659.6}, {"text": "province with a detailed line by line atom of every dollar we've spent and what we've spent it", "start": 25659.6, "end": 25665.6}, {"text": "on I I how can they continually say no and maybe they will and I know I got a", "start": 25665.6, "end": 25671.558}, {"text": "lot of friends around this table here that are chuckling that I said that but yeah maybe they will say no but I don't", "start": 25671.558, "end": 25677.76}, {"text": "know how it's going to hurt a knowing whether we can be more efficient with the you know 147 million I think that", "start": 25677.76, "end": 25685.44}, {"text": "was that was allocated this year um a transparency for our", "start": 25685.44, "end": 25691.28}, {"text": "taxpayers and um you know B showing the province how much of a job we're doing for them on their behalf with our", "start": 25691.28, "end": 25699.558}, {"text": "taxpayers money um that you know they should be funding this work uh we could", "start": 25699.558, "end": 25704.798}, {"text": "administer it but the check should be coming from them not from our taxpayers um so I'm looking forward to everybody's", "start": 25704.798, "end": 25710.558}, {"text": "support and and um hoping that the auditor general takes some or all of", "start": 25710.558, "end": 25715.92}, {"text": "these um items into consideration when he uh creates a scope of work thank you", "start": 25715.92, "end": 25722.52}, {"text": "chair thank you councelor spatap for uh speakers on the this direction we have", "start": 25722.52, "end": 25728.16}, {"text": "councelor Clark followed by cret and casar councelor Clark please thank you is the auditor general", "start": 25728.16, "end": 25735.92}, {"text": "Charles Brown with us", "start": 25735.92, "end": 25740.76}, {"text": "he's on the line you hear me Charles there you are yes I can um can you", "start": 25741.958, "end": 25748.28}, {"text": "confirm for me that there is the intent or the plan for you to conduct a value", "start": 25748.28, "end": 25755.16}, {"text": "for money audit on the housing and homelessness file uh that's correct I can confirm", "start": 25755.16, "end": 25761.36}, {"text": "that that's part of our approved work plan that we developed at the beginning of this term of", "start": 25761.36, "end": 25767.32}, {"text": "council and have you seen the the uh motion that's before committee right now", "start": 25767.32, "end": 25775.52}, {"text": "yes I have and um I'll just say that uh these lines of inquiry are very", "start": 25775.52, "end": 25782.44}, {"text": "typical uh and conform with what we uh would look at in any value for money", "start": 25782.44, "end": 25789.16}, {"text": "audit so uh it's not contentious for me I can include these elements in our", "start": 25789.16, "end": 25794.798}, {"text": "scope uh just a caution though that our scope of audit um would not necessarily", "start": 25794.798, "end": 25800.32}, {"text": "be limited uh to these uh just these components uh but we can certainly", "start": 25800.32, "end": 25806.36}, {"text": "include them and would ordinarily do so so the motion indicates that the city", "start": 25806.36, "end": 25812.44}, {"text": "of Hamilton Office of the auditor general be requested to conduct an audit that so would it be prudent to include", "start": 25812.44, "end": 25820.6}, {"text": "in that line U be that the audit General be requested to uh consider um the", "start": 25820.6, "end": 25828.36}, {"text": "following items in the scope of the plan audit for housing and uh through the", "start": 25828.36, "end": 25835.92}, {"text": "chair I think that would be appropriate yes okay thank you a question to the move then if he would entertain that as", "start": 25835.92, "end": 25843.44}, {"text": "a userfriendly motion that basically instead of asking him to conduct the audit we're asking him to consider", "start": 25843.44, "end": 25850.08}, {"text": "including the following items in the scope of the audit that he has planned and that is considered friendly", "start": 25850.08, "end": 25855.958}, {"text": "Amendment thank you thank you chair thank you counselor and uh just to", "start": 25855.958, "end": 25861.398}, {"text": "be clear councelor spatap for gave the approval uh for", "start": 25861.398, "end": 25867}, {"text": "that change uh going to go to councelor cret followed by councelor casar and", "start": 25867, "end": 25873.2}, {"text": "Jackson councelor cret please thanks that was one of the things I was literally going to suggest that we do", "start": 25873.2, "end": 25878.28}, {"text": "with this motion if you're just going to consider you know things to include in the scope 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to be looking deeper here to find out what's happening I can understand if we want to say okay we're giving money to outside agencies", "start": 25922.558, "end": 25929.08}, {"text": "and we want to see how that money is being spent by outside agencies so we don't have control over and that's in the motion as part of the scope I get", "start": 25929.08, "end": 25934.798}, {"text": "that but generally speaking when you're taking this on as a work plan item like what was the impetus for taking this on as a work plan item I just find it", "start": 25934.798, "end": 25940.6}, {"text": "slightly confusing since this city is extremely transparent in the thousands of pages about the budget documents so", "start": 25940.6, "end": 25948.2}, {"text": "if we need to then be going back to the budget document to confirm stuff in the budget document I'm just confused so", "start": 25948.2, "end": 25953.558}, {"text": "could you help me understand this a bit better so through the chair um it's not", 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{"text": "identified this as a risk area so it's it's basically a risk-based audit plan", "start": 26004.798, "end": 26011.558}, {"text": "uh that we've um that we've looked at and as you can appreciate some of those", "start": 26011.558, "end": 26018.68}, {"text": "elements you've already mentioned it's got elements like it's multiple it's funded by", "start": 26018.68, "end": 26024.798}, {"text": "multiple uh parties uh levels of government it's funding comes from we we", "start": 26024.798, "end": 26031.32}, {"text": "have issues with thirdparty delivery potentially um efficiency and effectiveness of data collection and", "start": 26031.32, "end": 26037.958}, {"text": "Analysis so all the potential issues in an audit we evaluate those from a risk", "start": 26037.958, "end": 26043.32}, {"text": "perspective and make our final decision including uh considering the input of", "start": 26043.32, "end": 26049.36}, {"text": "counselors and management thanks for that clarification it's 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no different than other audits of other departments that we take over and do", "start": 26084.558, "end": 26089.798}, {"text": "routinely is that a is that a reasonably Fair assessment and understanding of what's going on here uh through the chair yes that's what I meant by you", "start": 26089.798, "end": 26096.958}, {"text": "know in in the OR ordinary course of doing a value for money audit we would look at at spending because if you're", "start": 26096.958, "end": 26103.04}, {"text": "going to evaluate the value for money in spending you have to know what was spent that's just a starting point it's not", "start": 26103.04, "end": 26109.52}, {"text": "the be all and end all of the audit and that's also what I meant by I'm not necessarily going to be limited in scope", "start": 26109.52, "end": 26116.2}, {"text": "to just looking at where the money went indeed okay thanks very much for your", "start": 26116.2, "end": 26121.798}, {"text": "answer my questions I appreciate it thank you counselor uh councelor casar thanks", "start": 26121.798, "end": 26128.92}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor Dano my questions were asked by councilors Clark and cret so I don't have any questions I'll just say I'm", "start": 26128.92, "end": 26134.798}, {"text": "glad to hear that the auditor general had this on his work plan uh I think it's an important work to do and I think", "start": 26134.798, "end": 26140.84}, {"text": "that the amendment that was made is a good one so supportive thank you thank you counselor uh councelor", "start": 26140.84, "end": 26148.6}, {"text": "Jackson followed by the mayor councelor Jackson thanks Deputy Mayor Dano I'm U I'm really U strongly supportive of", "start": 26148.6, "end": 26155.398}, {"text": "councelor spatap for's initiative here and especially in light of um how timely it was uh this motion today in light of", "start": 26155.398, "end": 26161.92}, {"text": "the 2hour plus presentation we had from our extraordinary professional staff from a multi- 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"useful expression for you uh to to any audit but we'll have to see right that's", "start": 26932, "end": 26938}, {"text": "why we prefer to go back and look over time time in any given audit to see at least how things have evolved over time", "start": 26938, "end": 26945.6}, {"text": "with respect to those considerations and others as well as processes and and and", "start": 26945.6, "end": 26951.16}, {"text": "project those into our our thinking and evaluation hopefully that makes", "start": 26951.16, "end": 26958.28}, {"text": "sense thank you to the auditor I'll uh looking forward to your methodology and", "start": 26958.318, "end": 26963.36}, {"text": "your outcome thank you thank you councilor Wilson uh seeing no further", "start": 26963.36, "end": 26969.04}, {"text": "speakers on the this item uh we will go to a vote moved by councelor spatap for", "start": 26969.04, "end": 26974.638}, {"text": "seconded by councelor Jackson all in favor or", "start": 26974.638, "end": 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the directions provided to staff in close session respecting aort report ped 24200 be approved B that the sum of", "start": 35121.04, "end": 35130.32}, {"text": "172,500 be funded from Project ID account uh", "start": 35130.32, "end": 35135.68}, {"text": "59806 D 4322 80253 and be credited to debit ID", "start": 35135.68, "end": 35143.08}, {"text": "account number 5986", "start": 35143.08, "end": 35149.24}, {"text": "81236 uh for recovery of expense including real estate and legal fees and", "start": 35149.24, "end": 35154.4}, {"text": "costs C that the city solicitor be authorized and directed to complete the acquisition of land in the city of", "start": 35154.4, "end": 35160.04}, {"text": "Hamilton on behalf of the city including paying any necessary expenses including", "start": 35160.04, "end": 35165.116}, {"text": "but not limited to dispersements land transfer tax and property taxes amending the closing due diligence and other", "start": 35165.116, "end": 35170.756}, {"text": 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