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niagar today the regional Municipality of niagar and", "start": 257.639, "end": 262.759}, {"text": "Grimsby stand with all indigenous people past and present in promoting the wise", "start": 262.759, "end": 268.36}, {"text": "stewardship of the land on which we live um moving along to disclosures of", "start": 268.36, "end": 276.24}, {"text": "pecuniary Interest nothing this evening all right", "start": 276.24, "end": 281.88}, {"text": "and then we'll move over to the approval of the agenda um do I have a a mover for for this", "start": 281.88, "end": 289.759}, {"text": "evening's agenda councelor Changi", "start": 289.759, "end": 294.039}, {"text": "fantastic uh and I'll need a seconder Brian I guess move between the two of us", "start": 294.84, "end": 300.88}, {"text": "for now okay all in favor that's great okay", "start": 300.88, "end": 307.759}, {"text": "agenda has been approved uh and then we'll move on to", "start": 307.759, "end": 313.08}, {"text": "our our minutes for November the 12th uh a mover for our November minutes", "start": 313.08, "end": 319.12}, {"text": "Brian switching it up and seconded by counselor Chris Ang thank", "start": 319.12, "end": 324.919}, {"text": "you all in favor great", "start": 324.919, "end": 330.52}, {"text": "okay thank you for that uh all right so this evening is", "start": 330.52, "end": 336.08}, {"text": "meeting mostly verbal updates uh so it's a light meeting today but we'll start with our first update of uh tonight A", "start": 336.08, "end": 343.199}, {"text": "Heritage Ontario Heritage act update by Bianca so go ahead Bianca thank you through you the chair", "start": 343.199, "end": 350.08}, {"text": "um so this is a pretty uh specific uh Amendment that's come out um and it's", "start": 350.08, "end": 355.52}, {"text": "through Bill 227 The Cutting red tape building Ontario Act act uh", "start": 355.52, "end": 361.28}, {"text": "2024 um and it's to streamline releasing of Ontario Heritage Trust conservation", 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{"text": "uh but it's mostly with the Heritage act and their processes so that's kind of", "start": 406.08, "end": 411.44}, {"text": "the update right now and I'll keep the committee updated as we um hear more and it's currently at its second reading so", "start": 411.44, "end": 418.759}, {"text": "it will likely probably pass before the December date but we'll we'll see", "start": 418.759, "end": 424.759}, {"text": "yeah thanks for that update Bianca I'm curious um from your professional opinion um is this uh changes to the to", "start": 425.08, "end": 433.12}, {"text": "the easements is that is that a good thing for for Heritage properties uh through the chair so um", "start": 433.12, "end": 440.72}, {"text": "this is like the approval Authority they had to go higher above to get it um I forget the actual exact person it goes", "start": 440.72, "end": 448.919}, {"text": "to um um uh let me see yeah they had to go to the MCM Crown", "start": 448.919, "end": 456.319}, {"text": "agency um so I think it just helps to streamline the process and like from my", "start": 456.319, "end": 461.56}, {"text": "perspective I'm thinking if a property owner needs to make a change like the Heritage aets to guide and manage change", "start": 461.56, "end": 467.08}, {"text": "so as long as attributes aren't affected I think it's actually good to have the process be as like smooth as it can be", "start": 467.08, "end": 474.68}, {"text": "um and it just really I think further like solidifies that notion that designation is intended to guide and", "start": 474.68, "end": 481.159}, {"text": "manage change and not to stop change so um I think it's it's a good thing um and", "start": 481.159, "end": 486.44}, {"text": "will make processes easier thank you I was just curious to", "start": 486.44, "end": 492.879}, {"text": "hear what your thoughts are um okay any any other questions from the committee on on this", "start": 492.879, "end": 499.039}, {"text": "change uh okay then uh then we 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675}, {"text": "very confident in the way that we're assessing our resources so I just wanted to share that with", "start": 675, "end": 681.2}, {"text": "everyone that's really great it's good to when you have that validation you know going to other people in the", "start": 681.2, "end": 686.44}, {"text": "industry and in the field and and knowing that you know you're being recognized for for the work we're doing here and that validated and that we're", "start": 686.44, "end": 693.44}, {"text": "going in the right direction so that's really great any questions from the committee regarding the National Trust", "start": 693.44, "end": 700.32}, {"text": "conference okay fantastic thank you we'll move on to the resolution uh", "start": 700.32, "end": 705.48}, {"text": "resolved that the verbal update regarding the National Trust cahp and AP", "start": 705.48, "end": 711.8}, {"text": "Heritage conference be received a mover Brian", "start": 711.8, "end": 716.959}, {"text": "awesome and a second counselor chrisan", "start": 716.959, "end": 722.2}, {"text": "great okay all in favor that's fantastic okay that's", "start": 722.2, "end": 728.56}, {"text": "carried all right moving on with our verbal updates uh we have Garrett to", "start": 728.88, "end": 734.519}, {"text": "present an update on the Heritage Property grant program go ahead", "start": 734.519, "end": 740.04}, {"text": "Garrett thank you through your chair I wanted to update the committee that on November 18th Council approved the", "start": 740.04, "end": 747.44}, {"text": "Heritage Grant selection committee recom Commendation so the uh successful applicants were approved and they can", "start": 747.44, "end": 753.399}, {"text": "now start entering into grant agreements with the town thank", "start": 753.399, "end": 759.079}, {"text": "you wow that's really exciting awesome so our first grant program is going ahead oh well done everyone that's", "start": 763.48, "end": 770.12}, {"text": "really great um I don't have any further questions on that any anyone", "start": 770.12, "end": 775.32}, {"text": "else okay great well I'm looking forward to seeing what happens you know um and and will we a reminder will we get like", "start": 775.32, "end": 783.16}, {"text": "uh updates from the the property owners afterwards like will we get to see what what they do with the the funds I", "start": 783.16, "end": 791.639}, {"text": "forget uh so Municipal staff will be uh completing an inspection of the work once it's been done uh and then we'll", "start": 792.92, "end": 799.279}, {"text": "share those final results with the committee for sure thank you okay that's awesome any other", "start": 799.279, "end": 805.44}, {"text": "questions okay I'll move on to our our resolution resolved that the verbal update", "start": 805.44, "end": 811.72}, {"text": "regarding the Heritage Property Grant be received a", "start": 811.72, "end": 816.88}, {"text": "mover Brian seconder counselor", "start": 816.88, "end": 824.56}, {"text": "deflavio okay all in favor that's great okay that's", "start": 824.68, "end": 831.32}, {"text": "carried oke um Heritage committee meeting calendar uh okay we'll get", "start": 832.48, "end": 840.399}, {"text": "Bianca to to share about next year's calendar thank you through the chair um", "start": 840.399, "end": 846.16}, {"text": "so our her committee meeting calendar or meeting schedule for 2025 was just", "start": 846.16, "end": 851.72}, {"text": "approved by Council along with all the other committees um advisory standing", "start": 851.72, "end": 857.199}, {"text": "and Council meetings um and so I just wanted to bring it to the committee because I know in the past there was", "start": 857.199, "end": 862.639}, {"text": "some conflicts with some of the members on March break so I thought it'd be good time to adjust that now um and so we're", "start": 862.639, "end": 869.36}, {"text": "going to pass a resolution for that date um for council's consideration and then", "start": 869.36, "end": 874.44}, {"text": "um we also thought we would um do November because it the way that the", "start": 874.44, "end": 879.519}, {"text": "second Tuesday of the month landed it's Remembrance Day so out of reference for the day we are uh suggesting a couple", "start": 879.519, "end": 886.48}, {"text": "other options so I share those ahead of time with the committee but uh for the March meeting we have um March 4th or", "start": 886.48, "end": 893.92}, {"text": "March 20th and then uh for November we have November 4th November 10th or", "start": 893.92, "end": 900.56}, {"text": "November 20th um and then I knew I know one day I'm pretty sure it's one day", "start": 900.56, "end": 906.04}, {"text": "doesn't work for Brian so maybe um he can confirm that one but otherwise it's", "start": 906.04, "end": 911.24}, {"text": "up to the committee which days work best for them okay thank you for that uh any any", "start": 911.24, "end": 918.839}, {"text": "uh comment feedback on on the dates Brian you said you had a conflict through you chair yeah for the March one", "start": 918.839, "end": 925.12}, {"text": "I can't do the 4th the evening the 20th worked though I don't think I think November I said that those worked as", "start": 925.12, "end": 931.399}, {"text": "well right I don't I think but all those dates there was three dates and those worked there was two that were preferred", "start": 931.399, "end": 937.519}, {"text": "but uh I don't think there was any conflicts on those ones for me at", "start": 937.519, "end": 942.16}, {"text": "least I think it was like November the 4th the 10th and the 20th or something like", "start": 946.88, "end": 953.04}, {"text": "that yeah I think you just said for the March meeting okay so from March 4th", "start": 953.04, "end": 960.959}, {"text": "doesn't look great but March 20th seems to be okay for everyone else um okay so", "start": 960.959, "end": 966.959}, {"text": "we can say March 20th and then for November 4th um or November's meeting I was going to", "start": 966.959, "end": 974.759}, {"text": "say the the Tuesdays generally work well with me and I think that one lands on a Tuesday so that would be my preference", "start": 974.759, "end": 980.68}, {"text": "if if we had one um if anyone has any comment on it uh the the 10th and the and the 20th", "start": 980.68, "end": 990.92}, {"text": "okay so it looks like we're pretty open for November um so let's do November the 4th", "start": 1002.6, "end": 1009.36}, {"text": "Tuesday okay awesome so we can put that in as well uh all right um resolution", "start": 1009.36, "end": 1016.56}, {"text": "then that the verbal update regarding the 2025 Heritage committee meeting schedule be received and that the March", "start": 1016.56, "end": 1023.399}, {"text": "and November 2025 meetings be moved to March 20th 2025 and November 4th 2025 a", "start": 1023.399, "end": 1032.16}, {"text": "mover counselor Changi and a secondar counselor", "start": 1032.16, "end": 1040}, {"text": "deflavio okay all in favor that's awesome okay that's", "start": 1040.799, "end": 1047.079}, {"text": "carried okay um moving on to our working group update", "start": 1047.079, "end": 1053.2}, {"text": "okay so that's me let me get my notes up", "start": 1053.2, "end": 1057.24}, {"text": "here all right so the education and Outreach a working group", "start": 1058.76, "end": 1065.6}, {"text": "um you may recall that we applied for a Niagara Community Foundation Grant um it", "start": 1065.6, "end": 1072.24}, {"text": "was a mini Grant of $1,500 to go towards our print map and", "start": 1072.24, "end": 1077.44}, {"text": "we were successful in the grant so that's really exciting I so I big thank you to Janet Oaks at the gersy museum", "start": 1077.44, "end": 1084.08}, {"text": "for helping with that application um we'll have that those funds to help um with the design and the print of of that", "start": 1084.08, "end": 1091}, {"text": "map uh so that's really great to have that kind of support uh and I also uh", "start": 1091, "end": 1096.76}, {"text": "sent along for in the agenda um our points of interest list uh that Janet", "start": 1096.76, "end": 1103.12}, {"text": "Kate Amy and myself have put together uh the list I I'd like to go through it with you and I would like your feedback", "start": 1103.12, "end": 1109.48}, {"text": "uh but I do have a couple points first um so how the the listing we we took all", "start": 1109.48, "end": 1116.159}, {"text": "of our designated Heritage properties uh public art around town both town-owned", "start": 1116.159, "end": 1122.84}, {"text": "as well as otherwise um undesignated historic sites features and landmarks", "start": 1122.84, "end": 1129.24}, {"text": "like think of you know um millstones um and as well as Heritage interpretative plaque we've taken", "start": 1129.24, "end": 1135.559}, {"text": "listings that were both already um developed inventories that were already developed elsewhere throughout the town", "start": 1135.559, "end": 1142.4}, {"text": "um as well as some that we've had to identify on our own and we kind of compiled it together into one list and", "start": 1142.4, "end": 1147.44}, {"text": "then from that the working group kind of identified four or sorry five narratives", "start": 1147.44, "end": 1153.4}, {"text": "or or layers we're calling them layers uh to kind of categorize the the the points of interest into um and those", "start": 1153.4, "end": 1160.2}, {"text": "five layers are settling the 40 so think stories about early families founding", "start": 1160.2, "end": 1166.08}, {"text": "families at early a loyalist settlement uh Grimsby Beach Arts culture and Community uh", "start": 1166.08, "end": 1174.08}, {"text": "tracing industry and growth so for that think of manufacturing the railroad some", "start": 1174.08, "end": 1179.799}, {"text": "of more of those at industrial history here in Grimsby and then another layer on fruit and farming uh and the reason", "start": 1179.799, "end": 1187.4}, {"text": "why we've identified these layers is how we want to use our digital map uh is um", "start": 1187.4, "end": 1194.2}, {"text": "to to kind of have these interpretive layers that tell specific stories on specific themes in grimsby's history and", "start": 1194.2, "end": 1200.6}, {"text": "you know those five themes that I've laid out here you know we can agree those are pretty pretty important to to", "start": 1200.6, "end": 1206.559}, {"text": "telling the story here um we've considered uh using the town's", "start": 1206.559, "end": 1212.6}, {"text": "GIS software to make a map and maybe in the end goal in a couple years down the", "start": 1212.6, "end": 1218.159}, {"text": "road that is what we do but for this first iteration uh we think we'll use Google Maps to start it's easy it's", "start": 1218.159, "end": 1224.679}, {"text": "accessible it's free it's public um and I and I've I've used map Google Maps in", "start": 1224.679, "end": 1230.919}, {"text": "the past to do various public history projects so I linked to one in um in the", "start": 1230.919, "end": 1237}, {"text": "document and I I'd like to put it up so that we can see what the functions can", "start": 1237, "end": 1242.799}, {"text": "be and how the layers", "start": 1242.799, "end": 1246.48}, {"text": "work so we can talk about um the map itself and then I would like your", "start": 1251, "end": 1256.72}, {"text": "feedback on um on the point points of interest so this is uh I didn't I didn't", "start": 1256.72, "end": 1262.08}, {"text": "make this this map but it's a a huge resource for anyone studying the histories of the the four well and", "start": 1262.08, "end": 1267.6}, {"text": "canals um and what they've done is there's different layers um pointing the", "start": 1267.6, "end": 1272.919}, {"text": "different tangible remnants of the the four different canals throughout time and they each tell stories but what's", "start": 1272.919, "end": 1279.559}, {"text": "great is you can color code you can connect with lines um but you can also", "start": 1279.559, "end": 1285.08}, {"text": "um the layers that you see are all colorcoded so in the left hand side you see like those check marks if you were", "start": 1285.08, "end": 1291.6}, {"text": "to uncheck a mark and then that layer disappears and then you're just looking at at another um at a specific Canal so", "start": 1291.6, "end": 1300.88}, {"text": "how it would work on our digital map for Grimsby is let's say you're on the map and you just want to look at Grimsby", "start": 1300.88, "end": 1306.36}, {"text": "beach properties then we would use Google Maps to just to just show that layer H so it's kind of it's a it's", "start": 1306.36, "end": 1312.559}, {"text": "interactive it's a cool way to connect things and then within those if you can point pick a DOT", "start": 1312.559, "end": 1319.279}, {"text": "um I don't know if we can but you can there's a descriptions you can add photos and links to other to other", "start": 1319.279, "end": 1325.84}, {"text": "websites as well so with something like this we could link to our heritage designation reports for example we can", "start": 1325.84, "end": 1332.76}, {"text": "include photos from the historical society and uh and the grimy Museum uh", "start": 1332.76, "end": 1340.159}, {"text": "so there's lots of options and and it's easy to use in that a lot of a lot of", "start": 1340.159, "end": 1345.96}, {"text": "people are familiar with Google Maps and how it works so this is primarily going to be good for um for like desktop", "start": 1345.96, "end": 1354.96}, {"text": "computers but you can use it on your app or on your your app as well um so that's something again this is would just be", "start": 1354.96, "end": 1361.24}, {"text": "the first iteration just to kind of get it out into the world see what the interest is what we can do with it and", "start": 1361.24, "end": 1367.64}, {"text": "then from there um that the project can grow so any any questions about the map", "start": 1367.64, "end": 1373.159}, {"text": "itself um and what we can do with it", "start": 1373.159, "end": 1378.24}, {"text": "yes Brian through you chair do we for the properties that are on here uh do we", "start": 1378.84, "end": 1385.48}, {"text": "need to get permission do we need to give notice to the property owners like is there anything that we need to do I know they're designated Properties or I", "start": 1385.48, "end": 1391.96}, {"text": "think most of them are do we need to do anything like that to put them on there I think it's a really cool idea I'm just curious if that's something we need to", "start": 1391.96, "end": 1397.679}, {"text": "consider and plan for yeah um I I would be curious we've", "start": 1397.679, "end": 1403.76}, {"text": "we've talked about maybe discussing this with the property owners or letting them know", "start": 1403.76, "end": 1408.96}, {"text": "but I did want it to get I that was a question I wanted to ask the town now that we see just how exact we can get", "start": 1408.96, "end": 1415.279}, {"text": "with these properties right so I wanted to ask what your feedback was on", "start": 1415.279, "end": 1420.88}, {"text": "that uh through the chair I I can look into it to get more information on it", "start": 1420.88, "end": 1426.6}, {"text": "but I would think as long you're in the public realm it's it's fine um acknowledging where the different sites", "start": 1426.6, "end": 1432.44}, {"text": "are um it might be nice to like you know share with the property owners you've been included on the map your S's really", "start": 1432.44, "end": 1438.76}, {"text": "important and then maybe you can give them a once they're ready like a copy of the hard copy of the map or whatever um", "start": 1438.76, "end": 1445.76}, {"text": "and include them in that way I don't know if there's um there's kind of like do we want to go above and beyond and do", "start": 1445.76, "end": 1452.08}, {"text": "that do we have to I think those are kind of I don't know if we have to but maybe we want to", "start": 1452.08, "end": 1458.84}, {"text": "yeah yeah I like that idea I will say that of course with the map we would", "start": 1458.84, "end": 1464.159}, {"text": "share the address and just the history of the house it wouldn't be of course who the homeowners or anything like that um but", "start": 1464.159, "end": 1471.799}, {"text": "yeah that's maybe we we with the print map specifically that could be something that we could share with them um but", "start": 1471.799, "end": 1477.44}, {"text": "yeah we can we can talk about um what that how we inform them cuz I do think", "start": 1477.44, "end": 1483.559}, {"text": "letting them know is is definitely respectful about how we go about it I'm I'm open to I know uh Janet had", "start": 1483.559, "end": 1490.84}, {"text": "suggested um talking to uh to baw about this maybe uh so I think she's pursuing", "start": 1490.84, "end": 1497.32}, {"text": "that I haven't heard much about that yet but I can follow up with her also and bring that back to to uh to the", "start": 1497.32, "end": 1504.519}, {"text": "committee yes councelor Chris you go ahead thank you through chair um just in", "start": 1504.72, "end": 1509.96}, {"text": "following with that I would say uh the history you know for sure but maybe", "start": 1509.96, "end": 1515.039}, {"text": "being cautious on pitchers especially recent pitchers uh unless the homeowner um chooses to have a pitcher in there", "start": 1515.039, "end": 1523.039}, {"text": "then maybe just have the history of it and then then it would be more they' be more empowered to decide if they they", "start": 1523.039, "end": 1528.399}, {"text": "wanted a a modern photo or even the older", "start": 1528.399, "end": 1533.398}, {"text": "photos yes we can just keep to uh to the 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2147.72}, {"text": "layers the uh the stories", "start": 2147.72, "end": 2152.359}, {"text": "yes go ahead Brian through you chair uh going back to the points on the map there uh just had a thought the reports", "start": 2159.599, "end": 2166.72}, {"text": "that town staff write to substantiate the just the the designation are those", "start": 2166.72, "end": 2172.96}, {"text": "public realm like could we attach those to them so I just feel like we get a amazing view into the history behind", "start": 2172.96, "end": 2178.96}, {"text": "those properties that if we could and the reason I thought of was because there's always a picture on the front and I thought why don't we put that", "start": 2178.96, "end": 2184.44}, {"text": "picture on the posting and then it made me think why don't we actually put the report in there and then everyone can get that condensed all the research that", "start": 2184.44, "end": 2191.56}, {"text": "you do is right there and you learn about the property but I just don't know if that's something we can share or we want to", "start": 2191.56, "end": 2197.88}, {"text": "share uh yeah they are all online so I and they are all Linked In in here so", "start": 2197.88, "end": 2204.839}, {"text": "it' be really easy and that was something that I I mentioned uh in those descriptions you can link to things", "start": 2204.839, "end": 2210}, {"text": "right so I think that would like you say it's so thorough uh and you get a really deeper understanding of the history and", "start": 2210, "end": 2216.28}, {"text": "all of our descriptions will be taken from those reports also so", "start": 2216.28, "end": 2221.359}, {"text": "we'll be sharing it's the same kind of narratives happening I do want to get your input and if that's okay uh through", "start": 2221.359, "end": 2227.8}, {"text": "the chair uh so when they come here we leave them in the draft format and that's CU we want to open up to everyone", "start": 2227.8, "end": 2234.44}, {"text": 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a little blurb like 100 50 characters not long at all um just with", "start": 2393.04, "end": 2400.92}, {"text": "with that information or or words I should say rather um very very short", "start": 2400.92, "end": 2407.44}, {"text": "yes through you chair uh I did want to say that the bylaws that were passed for each property are available on the", "start": 2407.44, "end": 2413.64}, {"text": "website right now uh and the statement of significance there it's about 3/4 of a page uh for each property um but that", "start": 2413.64, "end": 2421.44}, {"text": "does contain all of the information that was uh included from the archives and", "start": 2421.44, "end": 2427.319}, {"text": "and the draft reports so that's kind of that final version of the highle history there thank", "start": 2427.319, "end": 2434.04}, {"text": "you thank you uh okay this has been really great", "start": 2434.04, "end": 2439.44}, {"text": "feedback thank you so much uh and anything else uh before before we wrap this", "start": 2439.44, "end": 2445.24}, {"text": "up okay okay great I'm really I'm really glad to get this feedback um I'm excited", "start": 2445.24, "end": 2451.319}, {"text": "about the project and and to see where it goes so in terms of of next steps um", "start": 2451.319, "end": 2456.64}, {"text": "we'll be working towards identifying those those layers and and fleshing out", "start": 2456.64, "end": 2462.319}, {"text": "uh what 10 properties we choose for each layer and what those descriptions look like um and again yeah we'll keep them", "start": 2462.319, "end": 2468.96}, {"text": "very short and then link out where where we can and uh you know one historic", "start": 2468.96, "end": 2474.88}, {"text": "image or two we like visuals but again we don't want to to inundate with what", "start": 2474.88, "end": 2480.119}, {"text": "they're looking at on the map uh but hopefully I'll be able to have an update for for January um and then definitely", "start": 2480.119, "end": 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three of them all had", "start": 2584.2, "end": 2589.8}, {"text": "different timelines so we took advantage of that to finish all of the files so they've all officially been designated", "start": 2589.8, "end": 2596.28}, {"text": "bylaws passed everything finished with those um but we have still been producing them uh in the background and", "start": 2596.28, "end": 2603.64}, {"text": "then we were getting ready to start again and then the post poal strike took", "start": 2603.64, "end": 2608.72}, {"text": "place so we haven't yet been able to um send out we sent out the initial letter", "start": 2608.72, "end": 2614.72}, {"text": "to the three Property Owners we were hoping to bring um December January um", "start": 2614.72, "end": 2620.68}, {"text": "we don't know if it got to them and we haven't been able to send the second draft report so we're keeping working on", "start": 2620.68, "end": 2627.04}, {"text": "them as soon as the postal strike is up we'd like to start um bringing them forward again so um that's kind of the", "start": 2627.04, "end": 2635.24}, {"text": "the idea but we are still working in the back ground and um we'll have the reports coming uh but it's just that", "start": 2635.24, "end": 2642.119}, {"text": "notification we don't want anyone to miss", "start": 2642.119, "end": 2646.04}, {"text": "them oh thank you for that um update that's too bad about the about the", "start": 2648.2, "end": 2655.04}, {"text": "strike um yes councelor chrisie go ahead thank you I just wanted to commend the", "start": 2655.04, "end": 2660.599}, {"text": "committee I think we're two years in now and I I feel like we've done most of you", "start": 2660.599, "end": 2666.599}, {"text": "guys have done an unbelievable amount of work and accomplished a lot of stuff the", "start": 2666.599, "end": 2671.68}, {"text": "designations uh this working group with the mapping but the grants and getting and getting that forward and through and", "start": 2671.68, "end": 2679.839}, {"text": "uh the the tax incentive uh that you know will be proposed and stuff like that so I feel like in two years a lot", "start": 2679.839, "end": 2685.839}, {"text": "of stuff has has come forward um so I would just like to commend everybody on their hard work and you know thank you I", "start": 2685.839, "end": 2693.04}, {"text": "think it's it for me being on this commune has been a great experience so I appreciate that and I appreciate all the", "start": 2693.04, "end": 2698.24}, {"text": "work that you've done for the community and stuff like that so I think that deserves to be", "start": 2698.24, "end": 2704.359}, {"text": "recognized thank you for those kind words councelor Chris and Jean I I definitely Echo them town the Heritage", "start": 2704.839, "end": 2711.48}, {"text": "planners have been doing really great work here and it's a good committee to be a part of lots of positive things for the the Heritage Community uh so so", "start": 2711.48, "end": 2718.28}, {"text": "thank you everyone okay I think with that then we can uh", "start": 2718.28, "end": 2724.8}, {"text": "adjourn this evening's meeting so thank thank you all for joining and have a h", "start": 2724.8, "end": 2730.04}, {"text": "have a very happy holidays and we'll see everyone in the new year", "start": 2730.04, "end": 2735.52}]