[{"text": "meeting uh so if you just want to keep your video and your mic off until your", "start": 0.719, "end": 6.04}, {"text": "heror permit comes up on the agenda that would be", "start": 6.04, "end": 10.48}, {"text": "appreciated and hi there Ryan nice to see you on the call we're just getting ready to start the meeting if you", "start": 16.199, "end": 22.519}, {"text": "wouldn't mind just um there we go if you would mind just", "start": 22.519, "end": 29.24}, {"text": "keeping your video and your mic off until we get to your item it would be appreciated and I see that we're live so I'll pass it over to Karen okay thank", "start": 29.24, "end": 36.68}, {"text": "you good evening everyone um I would like to call this meeting of the Heritage permit review subcommittee", "start": 36.68, "end": 42.96}, {"text": "December 10th 2024 to order um members of the public are notified that", "start": 42.96, "end": 48.879}, {"text": "individuals and the medium may be audibly and or Vis visually recording this", "start": 48.879, "end": 54.52}, {"text": "meeting please note that Quorum is present and uh", "start": 54.52, "end": 60.559}, {"text": "we'll move on to approval of the agenda so you have before you the agenda for this meeting may have a motion to", "start": 60.559, "end": 66.88}, {"text": "approve the agenda as presented sorry Karen for the chair yes", "start": 66.88, "end": 74.479}, {"text": "sorry um we did have a last minute addendum and two added Heritage permits so just if you could move for approving", "start": 74.479, "end": 81.479}, {"text": "as amended that would be appreciated oh yes okay thank you um may I have a you you also did receive the uh addendum", "start": 81.479, "end": 89.24}, {"text": "everybody so may I have a motion to approve the agenda as", "start": 89.24, "end": 95.32}, {"text": "amended I see Graham and Sandra", "start": 95.32, "end": 100.88}, {"text": "okay is there anyone opposed seeing none that motion is", "start": 102.6, "end": 111.32}, {"text": "carried are there any Declarations of Interest", "start": 111.32, "end": 116.078}, {"text": "today okay none report reped thank you okay approval of the minutes of the", "start": 116.88, "end": 123.88}, {"text": "previous me meeting from November 12th 2024 you have before you those minutes", "start": 123.88, "end": 131.08}, {"text": "um may I have a motion to approve the minutes as presented see Carol and", "start": 131.08, "end": 140}, {"text": "Andy is there anyone opposed seeing none that motion is", "start": 140.879, "end": 148.44}, {"text": "carried on to the Heritage permit applications for this evening that's found under", "start": 148.44, "end": 155.56}, {"text": "Section 10 discussion items uh we have five permits on the agenda this", "start": 155.56, "end": 162.48}, {"text": "evening so the first one and uh with the addition of the two just want to check", "start": 162.48, "end": 168.04}, {"text": "with the staff with the addition of the two new ones uh they're going at the end is that", "start": 168.04, "end": 174.8}, {"text": "correct yeah that's that's correct yes they're added to the end of the agenda okay thank you all right so our first", "start": 175.599, "end": 183.72}, {"text": "application is item 10.1 HP", "start": 183.72, "end": 189.519}, {"text": "22438 which is 252 jamest Street North in Hamilton that's Christ Church", "start": 189.68, "end": 195}, {"text": "Cathedral part four property and the application is for the restoration of", "start": 195, "end": 200.76}, {"text": "the main set of central front oak doors including temporarily removing the doors", "start": 200.76, "end": 205.799}, {"text": "for restoration off site restoring staining and varnishing the doors transom and door frame installing", "start": 205.799, "end": 213.08}, {"text": "weather seals to the jams header and threshold refurbishing the existing Hardware installing a new set of panic", "start": 213.08, "end": 220.599}, {"text": "set bars to for both doors for fire safety and installing a new brass kick", "start": 220.599, "end": 226.76}, {"text": "plate to the interior and also interim repairs to the southern set of doors to allow for", "start": 226.76, "end": 233.12}, {"text": "Access and fire safety during restoration of the central doors is the owner or applicant here to", "start": 233.12, "end": 239.439}, {"text": "speak the application I am indeed it's Bill MOS from the dasis of Niagara okay", "start": 239.439, "end": 246.159}, {"text": "thank you for joining us bill um so if you'd like to take a few minutes and describe the project in further detail", "start": 246.159, "end": 252.2}, {"text": "you're welcome to do so and then we may have some questions for you before we move on to discussion very good yeah", "start": 252.2, "end": 258.239}, {"text": "sure well good evening thanks for the opportunity to uh speak to this uh this committee uh about our plans to restore", "start": 258.239, "end": 264.919}, {"text": "the main set of doors at Christ Church cathedral which uh serves as the uh spiritual home for anglicans in in", "start": 264.919, "end": 271.4}, {"text": "Hamilton and across the dasis which goes from the nagar peninsula all the way up to uh to Orangeville um the Genesis of", "start": 271.4, "end": 280.28}, {"text": "the the project comes in response to two uh Heritage reports we reive from arra", "start": 280.28, "end": 286}, {"text": "uh which flagged the need for uh restoration work to the the beautiful oak doors that uh uh welcome folks into", "start": 286, "end": 295.039}, {"text": "the the cathedral from uh the James Street entrance um these doors are you can well imagine are are regularly used", "start": 295.039, "end": 302.759}, {"text": "and and get a fair bit of uh uh use uh as we welcome probably tens of thousands", "start": 302.759, "end": 310.08}, {"text": "of people through the doors uh in any any given year um so there's a certain", "start": 310.08, "end": 315.12}, {"text": "amount of wear and tear that has happened to them uh over the years um at", "start": 315.12, "end": 320.68}, {"text": "the uh the same time we also wanted to take the opportunity to enhance the fire safety of the of the cathedral by", "start": 320.68, "end": 327.36}, {"text": "upgrading the interior hard R to install that uh Panic bar system to allow uh", "start": 327.36, "end": 333.96}, {"text": "quick egress in the event of an emergency presently there's a locking mechanism uh not quite a a deadbolt", "start": 333.96, "end": 339.8}, {"text": "system but it uh uh in the event of an emergency it would uh not be the", "start": 339.8, "end": 346.16}, {"text": "quickest system to uh to unlock when when folks might be in a panicked uh uh", "start": 346.16, "end": 351.88}, {"text": "situation so that this uh opportunity allows for us to to do those upgrades as", "start": 351.88, "end": 357.039}, {"text": "well so um with all of that in mind we sought out some quotes from uh reputable", "start": 357.039, "end": 362.84}, {"text": "Heritage conservation trades people recommended to us uh through AR and have", "start": 362.84, "end": 368.08}, {"text": "landed on a scope of work provided by Heritage Mill um you've kind of given a", "start": 368.08, "end": 373.16}, {"text": "a good summary that's uh included in the agenda but uh it includes the restoration of the main set of the", "start": 373.16, "end": 379.68}, {"text": "central front oak doors um which will include temporarily removing them for restoration off site um the doors the", "start": 379.68, "end": 386.88}, {"text": "transom and the frame will be restored and stained and varnished uh we'll uh apply weather seals uh to the jams the", "start": 386.88, "end": 395.36}, {"text": "header and the threshold which will greatly improve the overall comfort of the the cathedral and probably uh", "start": 395.36, "end": 401.84}, {"text": "enhance our environmental uh footprint as well because they're a bit drafty at the at the present moment um and the", "start": 401.84, "end": 408.56}, {"text": "existing Hardware will be uh refurbished at the same time and uh will also as I", "start": 408.56, "end": 414.44}, {"text": "mentioned install that uh that set of panic bars and new brass kick plates uh", "start": 414.44, "end": 420.16}, {"text": "uh will be installed to the uh interior of both doors as well we're thinking the", "start": 420.16, "end": 425.599}, {"text": "the work will take about uh four to six weeks depending on how things uh go in the workshop uh we're hoping to get", "start": 425.599, "end": 432.36}, {"text": "underway early in the New Year in order to have the work completed for Easter celebrations in April um now as the main", "start": 432.36, "end": 441.28}, {"text": "entry doors will be uh not usable during uh that that time we're also planning on", "start": 441.28, "end": 447.16}, {"text": "making some inter interim repairs uh to the southern set of doors that will", "start": 447.16, "end": 452.52}, {"text": "allow access uh to the cathedral from the outside uh they're they're um not as", "start": 452.52, "end": 460.72}, {"text": "functional as the main set just because they're not uh used uh on a regular basis so they need a bit of uh work to", "start": 460.72, "end": 467.28}, {"text": "make them fully uh functional on the interim um we're uh we're quite excited", "start": 467.28, "end": 473.4}, {"text": "about this uh this project uh both because uh of the cathedral's main", "start": 473.4, "end": 478.599}, {"text": "entrance way uh kind of being uh restored to its full full Glory um but", "start": 478.599, "end": 484.24}, {"text": "also because of the uh the improved functionality that will uh result uh from the work both from a fire safety", "start": 484.24, "end": 490.72}, {"text": "perspective but also you have to really lean your shoulder into the doors uh right now to to get them open on a", "start": 490.72, "end": 496.72}, {"text": "Sunday so we're hoping with h some refurbishment that'll be a bit of a smoother process as", "start": 496.72, "end": 502.8}, {"text": "well so with that I think I'll I'll turn things over to you and happy to take any questions uh that you might have about", "start": 502.8, "end": 509.24}, {"text": "the project thank you um okay is there any questions from the", "start": 509.24, "end": 516.36}, {"text": "committee I see uh Graham Graham would you like to go ahead please yes uh so you're putting new", "start": 516.36, "end": 523.279}, {"text": "Panic Hardware on the central doors do the doors on the North and the South have the same Locking System right", "start": 523.279, "end": 531.36}, {"text": "now they do yeah and so we're we're imagining that they'll be used uh in", "start": 531.36, "end": 540.079}, {"text": "or refurbished subsequent to the main set of doors okay so you'd be looking at doing like putting the panic bars on", "start": 540.079, "end": 546.399}, {"text": "them that the same dite in the near future I was thinking if you're doing if you're doing this now and you're fixing", "start": 546.399, "end": 552.44}, {"text": "that North that South door up it' be a good time to put the Panic bar on it now and get it over with because we know", "start": 552.44, "end": 558.56}, {"text": "what's coming so why not just do it right think yeah it's a little bit of a", "start": 558.56, "end": 563.839}, {"text": "timing issue we wanted to start with the main set of doors and then work towards the other piece the ARA report we", "start": 563.839, "end": 570}, {"text": "indicate uh we received indicated that the the central doors are the primary concern right now in terms of uh uh the", "start": 570, "end": 578.16}, {"text": "restoration efforts there they get more heavy uh use and so they they need uh a", "start": 578.16, "end": 583.68}, {"text": "bit more work at the present time so they uh they indicated that the North and South set of doors could could be", "start": 583.68, "end": 589.88}, {"text": "deferred for a little bit so we'll see how we we go with Heritage Mill and then we'll we'll uh uh plan to uh to include", "start": 589.88, "end": 597.72}, {"text": "those in in a work plan uh in the future okay I just more thinking of just the streight panic bars for fire safety that", "start": 597.72, "end": 604.68}, {"text": "was all yeah okay thank you okay thank you um any further", "start": 604.68, "end": 613.759}, {"text": "questions um Sandra I can't actually see you so if you do have a question um", "start": 615.24, "end": 620.279}, {"text": "maybe you can raise your hand you know that um that way they have on the", "start": 620.279, "end": 626.72}, {"text": "on the meeting okay I think that's everybody um okay uh may we see the", "start": 626.72, "end": 634.24}, {"text": "proposed conditions then um staff", "start": 634.24, "end": 639.12}, {"text": "please just sharing now just a", "start": 639.639, "end": 644.04}, {"text": "sec okay so these are the standard conditions and there's nothing um unusual here so um just espe they will", "start": 647.72, "end": 655.48}, {"text": "be finished um it's a two-year permission so completed no later than December 31st", "start": 655.48, "end": 662.36}, {"text": "2026 and that any changes would be passed for approval to the city or to uh", "start": 662.36, "end": 669.48}, {"text": "making any of these changes so may I have a moover and a seconder to recommend approval of Heritage permit HP", "start": 669.48, "end": 677.48}, {"text": "2024 038 subject to these staff recommended", "start": 677.48, "end": 683}, {"text": "conditions and I see gram and Sir seconder Andy thank you", "start": 683, "end": 690.04}, {"text": "you okay um is there anyone", "start": 690.04, "end": 694.56}, {"text": "opposed seeing none that application is carried great so thank you very much um", "start": 695.76, "end": 703.44}, {"text": "Bill and um staff will follow up with you on that very good thank you so much", "start": 703.44, "end": 709.76}, {"text": "appreciate you coming in and you know good luck with the", "start": 709.76, "end": 714.079}, {"text": "project I hope it goes well hope it's all done in time for Easter here's Hing yeah thanks have a good night okay thank", "start": 715.6, "end": 722.44}, {"text": "you very much for coming moving on to the second", "start": 722.44, "end": 728.24}, {"text": "application for this evening item 10.2 HP 2024", "start": 728.24, "end": 734.56}, {"text": "039 24 Main Street West in Hamilton which is the New Vision United Church", "start": 734.56, "end": 740.279}, {"text": "part four property and the application is for Selective masonry repointing using typo", "start": 740.279, "end": 746.92}, {"text": "mortar including in the front ptical G and Southeast Corner interim repairs and", "start": 746.92, "end": 753.04}, {"text": "installation of plywood Hoarding in lower portions of the front South Windows to prevent further damage and", "start": 753.04, "end": 761.16}, {"text": "repair of the Northwest turret subject to further investigation which may include dismantling temporary storage", "start": 761.16, "end": 768.56}, {"text": "and reconstruction um do we have a representative from this application here this", "start": 768.56, "end": 775.92}, {"text": "evening yes that would be me I'm Helen Bradley the of Trustees at New Vision United Church welcome Howen thank you", "start": 775.92, "end": 784.079}, {"text": "thank um so we'd like to offer you the opportunity to speak a little bit further to the project if you'd like you", "start": 784.079, "end": 791.279}, {"text": "know five minutes or so just to give us a little further information if you think we may benefit from it and then", "start": 791.279, "end": 797.199}, {"text": "there would be questions from the committee and um take it from there yeah", "start": 797.199, "end": 802.8}, {"text": "certainly um actually we first noticed some degradation in The Gables which are", "start": 802.8, "end": 808.56}, {"text": "on the part of the building that was an addition in 1992 and that many of the bricks have", "start": 808.56, "end": 815.199}, {"text": "were losing their mortar and um so we were concerned about that and therefore", "start": 815.199, "end": 820.72}, {"text": "had um Jonathan D who is a structural engineer come and assess the", "start": 820.72, "end": 827}, {"text": "situation and um upon his report to the building department steel fencing was erected around the church to prevent", "start": 827, "end": 834.759}, {"text": "anyone from being injured from possible bricks falling from the degr ated Gables", "start": 834.759, "end": 840.519}, {"text": "so that part is not actually Heritage work in itself because it's on the 1992", "start": 840.519, "end": 846.759}, {"text": "Edition to the building however there were also some situations identified um", "start": 846.759, "end": 853.24}, {"text": "like the need to fortify the area around the front doors facing Main Street and", "start": 853.24, "end": 859.32}, {"text": "some of the masonry uh near those doors really needs to be tuck pointed uh we", "start": 859.32, "end": 865.48}, {"text": "realize we have a lot more work to do in having our building assessed", "start": 865.48, "end": 871.72}, {"text": "and figuring out an you know an action plan but what we're doing right now is", "start": 871.72, "end": 876.839}, {"text": "trying to ensure Public Safety um by taking these measures and so there will", "start": 876.839, "end": 883.079}, {"text": "also be um an egress covered with cladding and um made of", "start": 883.079, "end": 891.36}, {"text": "a made of sort of a metal framework coming out one of the exits from the church where there is the possibility", "start": 891.399, "end": 898.519}, {"text": "that de from the Heritage part of the church might fall so the corrective", "start": 898.519, "end": 904.04}, {"text": "procedures that are going to be used is to cover those uh Gables with netting to", "start": 904.04, "end": 910.32}, {"text": "prevent any debris from falling and in order to do that um as I understand it", "start": 910.32, "end": 916.44}, {"text": "we have to Anchor into some of the Heritage brick in certain parts of the building and otherwise um the newer", "start": 916.44, "end": 925}, {"text": "parts of the building have uh sort of a steel bar behind them that the netting", "start": 925, "end": 930.639}, {"text": "can be affixed to as we were looking at the building too it came to our attention that the", "start": 930.639, "end": 938.12}, {"text": "turret the um Northwest turret turret as you", "start": 938.12, "end": 945.12}, {"text": "mentioned um has some issues so the engineer and actually one of the people", "start": 945.12, "end": 950.36}, {"text": "bidding on the project um sent up drones and looked more closely but the engineer really wants to see it um close up in", "start": 950.36, "end": 958.079}, {"text": "person on not just with a drone but it seems quite likely that we would be um", "start": 958.079, "end": 964.92}, {"text": "we would maximize Public Safety if we dismantled that turret and retained the", "start": 964.92, "end": 970.92}, {"text": "Limestone cap on it it did have some restorative work done on it in the past", "start": 970.92, "end": 976.92}, {"text": "um but apparently the bricks that were used were not best for the project and so there's significant spalling from the", "start": 976.92, "end": 984.16}, {"text": "bricks and they're um not stable now that piece of the project if that turret", "start": 984.16, "end": 992}, {"text": "were to fall down which the engineer doesn't really think is highly likely um", "start": 992, "end": 998}, {"text": "but if it were to fall it would land on the flat roof of the new", "start": 998, "end": 1004.24}, {"text": "1992 um addition to the church so it wouldn't at least it wouldn't go out into the street or whatever so um I", "start": 1004.24, "end": 1012.199}, {"text": "guess in a nutshell that's what we're looking at doing and then pursu you know pursuant to doing this we will doing a", "start": 1012.199, "end": 1019.519}, {"text": "more detailed evaluation uh which you have to really look at more closely and so on and", "start": 1019.519, "end": 1024.839}, {"text": "although also when the weather is better for um dealing with bricks and", "start": 1024.839, "end": 1030.76}, {"text": "mortar okay thank you Helen um do we have any questions from the", "start": 1030.76, "end": 1037.558}, {"text": "committee okay I see Carol please go ahead", "start": 1037.559, "end": 1042.679}, {"text": "Carol oh you're on mute", "start": 1043.52, "end": 1048.12}, {"text": "there we go uh yeah I was wondering if the netting over um you know the area", "start": 1051.919, "end": 1059.44}, {"text": "that you're going to keep um sort of try to keep intact is is kind of a step to", "start": 1059.44, "end": 1065.84}, {"text": "repairing um that those elements or is it going to be on the church all the", "start": 1065.84, "end": 1072.919}, {"text": "time I that's what my question is is because I've seen netting you know on various um structures and it it looks", "start": 1072.919, "end": 1080.12}, {"text": "like it's supposed to be a temporary measure so that's my first question yes it is a temporary measure until we get", "start": 1080.12, "end": 1086.799}, {"text": "sort of a master plan of how we we can um fortify and properly repair all of", "start": 1086.799, "end": 1092.72}, {"text": "the elements of the outside envelope of the church okay great um the second question", "start": 1092.72, "end": 1100.84}, {"text": "um there's sort of two parts to it one is the broken windows are they from um", "start": 1100.84, "end": 1105.88}, {"text": "people throwing rocks at the windows or are did they just kind of have a crack in them and then and then you know sort", "start": 1105.88, "end": 1114.159}, {"text": "of uh drop out or was it was it actually people throwing throwing rocks at the", "start": 1114.159, "end": 1120.84}, {"text": "window the way I yes yeah the holes you can see there's", "start": 1120.84, "end": 1126}, {"text": "an impact and what it what those uh what those rocks actually um harmed was the", "start": 1126, "end": 1131.28}, {"text": "plexiglass coating that we had over the original stained glass windows to", "start": 1131.28, "end": 1136.4}, {"text": "protect them so um those plexiglass Coatings now are are", "start": 1136.4, "end": 1142.48}, {"text": "covers are now non non-functional because they've been cracked and so on so those will be replaced with plywood", "start": 1142.48, "end": 1149.48}, {"text": "for the short term and we also identified some of the um horizontal", "start": 1149.48, "end": 1156.28}, {"text": "molding above those windows that has degraded also so that will be removed", "start": 1156.28, "end": 1161.52}, {"text": "and that area fortified with the plywood as well okay the second part that's great", "start": 1161.52, "end": 1168.84}, {"text": "the second part of my question about the windows is um I believe that the plywood", "start": 1168.84, "end": 1174.64}, {"text": "would be on those windows and they're on the they're on the Front Street side is that right it's not all of the window is", "start": 1174.64, "end": 1181.08}, {"text": "just the first third or something is that right the bottom third of the window yeah um again just in response to", "start": 1181.08, "end": 1190.039}, {"text": "what I've heard about plywood on Windows all over the city uh from the public or", "start": 1190.039, "end": 1195.559}, {"text": "people that I just run into uh will your window be painted black your up sorry", "start": 1195.559, "end": 1201.52}, {"text": "will your plywood be painted black the way that it usually is on designated", "start": 1201.52, "end": 1207.919}, {"text": "buildings that's an interesting question I hadn't heard about that being a", "start": 1207.919, "end": 1213.919}, {"text": "consideration so do you mean to say then painted black on the inside so when you're in the building you see just no", "start": 1213.919, "end": 1221.799}, {"text": "on the outside of the building on the other side yeah just just to keep it from um having the plywood look uh the", "start": 1221.799, "end": 1229}, {"text": "bear look which looks like the buildings got sort of being boarded up for some", "start": 1229, "end": 1235.24}, {"text": "structural reasons and it I I've just heard a lot uh you know just because", "start": 1235.24, "end": 1241}, {"text": "people generally say things to me uh because of you know I'm on the with the", "start": 1241, "end": 1246.76}, {"text": "Beasley neighborhood association and various other things where um yes plywood has a kind of a you know it has", "start": 1246.76, "end": 1255.799}, {"text": "it has a um an impression that that people kind of get concerned about the", "start": 1255.799, "end": 1261.679}, {"text": "condition of the building so I thought I heard that uh on designated buildings", "start": 1261.679, "end": 1266.84}, {"text": "when you have plywood on the windows that it's painted black so that in a way", "start": 1266.84, "end": 1272.279}, {"text": "it's consistent and people know that um these are being fixed now I don't know", "start": 1272.279, "end": 1277.36}, {"text": "if they know that but I still think it's a better option than bare plywood or", "start": 1277.36, "end": 1282.559}, {"text": "plywood with a varnish on it or something so that's that's my only uh question about the windows is that I", "start": 1282.559, "end": 1289.72}, {"text": "know it has to be done and I think it's good that you know you're taking precautions and making sure that doesn't", "start": 1289.72, "end": 1295.559}, {"text": "get worse um before you get it fixed but um I know that where's is Alyssa still", "start": 1295.559, "end": 1301.559}, {"text": "there's Alyssa yes yeah Alyssa um you mentioned last I think at a meeting a", "start": 1301.559, "end": 1306.919}, {"text": "couple of meetings ago about the black windows for designated buildings when", "start": 1306.919, "end": 1312.84}, {"text": "the windows are awaiting you know kind of repair that is that did I hear that right", "start": 1312.84, "end": 1320.12}, {"text": "through the chair to Carol so Alyssa golden cultural her program lead um the yeah the provisions that you're speaking", "start": 1320.12, "end": 1326.2}, {"text": "about Carol are related to our Property Standards by law and there's specific Provisions when we're dealing with", "start": 1326.2, "end": 1332.48}, {"text": "vacant designated Heritage properties okay to require that any plywood hoarding protecting windows and door", "start": 1332.48, "end": 1339.36}, {"text": "openings are painted black to address those same concerns that you are highlighting um this was something", "start": 1339.36, "end": 1345.48}, {"text": "actually that when we did our agenda review with the chair she had mentioned so we haven't chatted about that with Helen yet but um certainly if if Helen's", "start": 1345.48, "end": 1351.96}, {"text": "willing that would be a good best practice although there isn't a specific requirement related to a Property", "start": 1351.96, "end": 1357.159}, {"text": "Standards order here um but to ensure that the the visual impact of the Hoarding in the meantime until the", "start": 1357.159, "end": 1363.2}, {"text": "windows can be addressed is is minimized that would be that would certainly be a good practice to do here yes yes I'm", "start": 1363.2, "end": 1370.44}, {"text": "certain that can be done without a problem oh good I'm so and I'm so glad and also um I really like the purple", "start": 1370.44, "end": 1377.36}, {"text": "doors I know that they're probably not the proper color or anything but I really like them and I was just going to", "start": 1377.36, "end": 1383.52}, {"text": "say that I like your purple doors love those doors they are super", "start": 1383.52, "end": 1390.559}, {"text": "okay thank you I don't know you could pay them it's okay I", "start": 1390.559, "end": 1396.799}, {"text": "don't I don't mind okay I have a question about the netting is that Sandra yes it's Sandra", "start": 1396.799, "end": 1404.76}, {"text": "go ahead Sandra yes I I wondered um what is the um the fabricator of The netting", "start": 1404.76, "end": 1411.6}, {"text": "and what color is the netting going to be yeah do we", "start": 1411.6, "end": 1417.64}, {"text": "know by chance um I'm not exactly certain to tell you", "start": 1417.64, "end": 1423.6}, {"text": "the truth um there are various kinds that can be used and the various kinds", "start": 1423.6, "end": 1430.279}, {"text": "are different colors so the meshing was mentioned in the quote and in the you know responses with the bids but the", "start": 1430.279, "end": 1436.679}, {"text": "color of it itself was not not specified um so I can certainly find", "start": 1436.679, "end": 1443.36}, {"text": "that out and report back to Alysa on the color of the nting is there something like a a choice", "start": 1443.36, "end": 1451.12}, {"text": "of a more preferable color to to well I I I think it's worth", "start": 1451.12, "end": 1457.76}, {"text": "considering in terms of the Aesthetics uh I see that somebody did some really", "start": 1457.76, "end": 1463.279}, {"text": "nice sort of markup drawings on the original hand drawings it would be nice to see what that netting would look like", "start": 1463.279, "end": 1469.88}, {"text": "let's say on on one of the photos to get a sense of what would Theo what's", "start": 1469.88, "end": 1475.2}, {"text": "available and what's appropriate", "start": 1475.2, "end": 1481.2}, {"text": "right um ala through the chair if I may um there are a few examples of similar", "start": 1481.2, "end": 1487.6}, {"text": "interim netting measures that have been installed across the city on some of our other uh Heritage sites uh Central", "start": 1487.6, "end": 1493.919}, {"text": "Presbyterian comes to mind and uh nearby to this site also the former cople", "start": 1493.919, "end": 1499.679}, {"text": "building um in both of those situations uh also I believe recommended by the", "start": 1499.679, "end": 1504.96}, {"text": "same engineering company um it's tended to be um sort of a muslin beige very", "start": 1504.96, "end": 1511.919}, {"text": "like muted color of netting that's been used um I'm I'm not aware of any other", "start": 1511.919, "end": 1517.08}, {"text": "sort of tinted or color versions of that so I would presume it would be very similar to that and staff would be happy", "start": 1517.08, "end": 1523.24}, {"text": "to um provide some examples to the subcommittee uh if you'd like to see some examples if you're", "start": 1523.24, "end": 1530.32}, {"text": "sure that would be great thank you okay uh are there any other", "start": 1530.399, "end": 1536.559}, {"text": "questions from the committee I see Andy please go ahead", "start": 1536.559, "end": 1544.398}, {"text": "Andy uh through the chair it's more clarity than anything else um there's a", "start": 1544.44, "end": 1550.44}, {"text": "talk about the turret portion of it um first of all I just curious is the turret portion part of this permit I'm", "start": 1550.44, "end": 1558.799}, {"text": "I'm just uh blowing up some of the pictures that were sent through um and", "start": 1558.799, "end": 1563.84}, {"text": "I'm just and there was um talk I think hel and you had indicated about possibly", "start": 1563.84, "end": 1569.36}, {"text": "removing the Top If it needed to be done um so first of all I'm just curious if", "start": 1569.36, "end": 1575.44}, {"text": "if that's part of this turret that's my first question or sorry uh permit to the", "start": 1575.44, "end": 1582.039}, {"text": "share sure through the chair to Andy so uh yes so as it's currently proposed um", "start": 1582.039, "end": 1587.919}, {"text": "the submission that we received did suggest some potential further investigation of the state of that", "start": 1587.919, "end": 1593.84}, {"text": "turret so there's an image of the the particular turret that's in the note sheet that's provided on page eight of", "start": 1593.84, "end": 1601.24}, {"text": "nine uh just giving you a close-up of the state of it and then in the appendix of the actual detailed drawings that", "start": 1601.24, "end": 1607.039}, {"text": "were provided the location of that turret is I identified um so that's the one in question um and the draft", "start": 1607.039, "end": 1615.52}, {"text": "recommended conditions for approval uh would recommend that the final details", "start": 1615.52, "end": 1621.039}, {"text": "of how that turret will be addressed come back through staff and as Helen mentioned subject to further", "start": 1621.039, "end": 1627.279}, {"text": "investigation it it could be recommended to dismantle it down to the roof line just to be safe until it can be", "start": 1627.279, "end": 1632.72}, {"text": "reconstructed and to store the Limestone capping off site until that work takes", "start": 1632.72, "end": 1638.96}, {"text": "place okay thanks Alissa um it's and one more question to the chair um by zooming", "start": 1638.96, "end": 1645.88}, {"text": "in it looks like it's in pretty rough shape a lot of the bricks of uh broken ways you can see falling in that um I'm", "start": 1645.88, "end": 1655.2}, {"text": "curious has there been an engineering report on that um right now indicating", "start": 1655.2, "end": 1660.399}, {"text": "that it it is sound and there's no immediate issue to look at it further or", "start": 1660.399, "end": 1667.2}, {"text": "collapse if you want to use that word to the", "start": 1667.2, "end": 1672.24}, {"text": "chair through the chair yes um the um engineer actually looked at it with um", "start": 1673.24, "end": 1678.84}, {"text": "the photos that he could take with a drone and he did not see anything that", "start": 1678.84, "end": 1683.88}, {"text": "alarmed him greatly he didn't feel that it looks like it needs to be taken down", "start": 1683.88, "end": 1689.76}, {"text": "um at this point but he also indicated he wanted to have uh an up up close view", "start": 1689.76, "end": 1696.72}, {"text": "not just using the Drone so that he could be certain of his", "start": 1696.72, "end": 1702.72}, {"text": "assessment okay thank you uh Helen uh through the chair that's all I have right now thank you okay thank you Andy", "start": 1703.279, "end": 1709.88}, {"text": "thankk you Helen um I had one question I was wasn't sure when you were uh", "start": 1709.88, "end": 1715.279}, {"text": "explaining this to us Helen did you if the turret needs to be dismantled the", "start": 1715.279, "end": 1721}, {"text": "intent is to take it apart and actually retain all the bricks and use those for", "start": 1721, "end": 1727.36}, {"text": "rebuilding such that it would actually look like it does now except uh more stable is that correct", "start": 1727.36, "end": 1734.12}, {"text": "like in the future it's not just to take it away and replace it with something else is it that's not the intention but I think", "start": 1734.12, "end": 1741.919}, {"text": "that we would have to uh take stock of the condition of the bricks that are", "start": 1741.919, "end": 1747.399}, {"text": "there and um the engineer also indicated that we", "start": 1747.399, "end": 1752.48}, {"text": "need to have uh two layers of bricks to make it strong enough um for the future", "start": 1752.48, "end": 1759.84}, {"text": "so um I know the the biggest problem with it will probably be the Limestone capping which is quite heavy um and some", "start": 1759.84, "end": 1768.44}, {"text": "of the biders um suggested they would uh you know break it down into rubble and", "start": 1768.44, "end": 1774.799}, {"text": "that's not the intent the intent is to take it in one piece and save that Limestone cap and any bricks which could", "start": 1774.799, "end": 1781.799}, {"text": "be usable in rebuilding it otherwise I would think we would have to match", "start": 1781.799, "end": 1787.64}, {"text": "them yeah appropriately and so on okay that's good thank", "start": 1787.64, "end": 1794.44}, {"text": "you um I see Andy please go ahead Andy", "start": 1794.44, "end": 1799.64}, {"text": "so just one um followup question uh this is most likely directed towards staff um", "start": 1799.64, "end": 1807.519}, {"text": "if this had to come out and if the Limestone cap had to be removed um is", "start": 1807.519, "end": 1814.279}, {"text": "that going to have to come through this committee again for further discussion or is that go through staff to make", "start": 1814.279, "end": 1821.559}, {"text": "their uh decision on what happens with the the cap and the rebuilding of that", "start": 1821.559, "end": 1827.799}, {"text": "uh Northwest turr thank you through the chair to Andy so at at this point in", "start": 1827.799, "end": 1834.799}, {"text": "terms of the draft uh recommending conditions from staff we would have that coming back through staff but if it", "start": 1834.799, "end": 1840.399}, {"text": "would be um the subcommittee's desire to amend a potential condition for approval for that to come back through here um", "start": 1840.399, "end": 1847.36}, {"text": "then that would be up to your purview in terms of of moving that", "start": 1847.36, "end": 1851.84}, {"text": "motion okay thanks Alissa all right are there any further", "start": 1853.36, "end": 1859.279}, {"text": "questions from the committee I see one from Graham please", "start": 1859.279, "end": 1865.08}, {"text": "go ahead Graham okay look at that brick I can't see you're GNA receive more than one or", "start": 1865.08, "end": 1870.76}, {"text": "two so are you gonna try to find the source of reclaimed brick that really", "start": 1870.76, "end": 1876.2}, {"text": "match it or it's gonna buy a new and not care what the color looks", "start": 1876.2, "end": 1881.639}, {"text": "like I don't think we would ever not care what the color looks like at all um", "start": 1881.639, "end": 1887.399}, {"text": "no we would would try and match it as closely as possible to what's do now yeah that brick looks horrible obviously", "start": 1887.399, "end": 1893.639}, {"text": "was a very substandard kind of brick that was used on that turret not taking the weather very", "start": 1893.639, "end": 1899.32}, {"text": "well when it was upgraded whenever that was um I don't think the correct or the", "start": 1899.32, "end": 1906.48}, {"text": "strongest kind of brick was used necessarily yeah because you canar the", "start": 1906.48, "end": 1911.72}, {"text": "rest of the building it it's amazing how much that's deteriorated compared to every place else like a little bit of", "start": 1911.72, "end": 1917.919}, {"text": "wetness on the wall and behind it you can see so there might be some problems in future behind it but uh overall the", "start": 1917.919, "end": 1924.32}, {"text": "buildings re look great yeah it's interesting that it's the parts of the 1992 Edition that are", "start": 1924.32, "end": 1932.76}, {"text": "failing before the Heritage building is you know yeah blows", "start": 1932.76, "end": 1940.158}, {"text": "bitter okay thank you thank you GM um Alyssa do you had a comment true the", "start": 1940.44, "end": 1946.48}, {"text": "chair I just was going to note that um uh obviously the the engineers's further review will help confirm sort of the", "start": 1946.48, "end": 1952.399}, {"text": "extent of the damage and potential cause of it it it could also be potentially inappropriate mortar that um is harder", "start": 1952.399, "end": 1959.279}, {"text": "than the existing historic brick so as there's um expansion contraction it could have caused the spalling as well", "start": 1959.279, "end": 1965.72}, {"text": "so lots of different potential options of what might have caused the damage uh", "start": 1965.72, "end": 1970.919}, {"text": "and obviously further review by the engineer will help confirm that", "start": 1970.919, "end": 1976.72}, {"text": "okay thank you um may I ask staff to put up the proposed conditions", "start": 1978.679, "end": 1985.12}, {"text": "please that up", "start": 1987.039, "end": 1990.44}, {"text": "now so um what we have here is um the two standard conditions about any minor", "start": 1993.08, "end": 1998.919}, {"text": "changes coming back to the city for approval and implementation within two years now the", "start": 1998.919, "end": 2005.799}, {"text": "first one um first I about the repair of the Northwest turret be submitted to the", "start": 2005.799, "end": 2012.279}, {"text": "satisfaction approval of director planning and chief planner prior to um any application for a building permit or", "start": 2012.279, "end": 2018.919}, {"text": "the commencement of any alterations um we've we've discussed that to some", "start": 2018.919, "end": 2024.24}, {"text": "extent I was wondering if we if the committee was interested in having another condition about um having the uh", "start": 2024.24, "end": 2033.88}, {"text": "The netting come back to staff as well for review and approval before", "start": 2033.88, "end": 2039.72}, {"text": "Choice um how would we go about that Alyssa or should we just discuss that", "start": 2040.2, "end": 2045.32}, {"text": "briefly with the committee and see what they think and then could propose to you to add another", "start": 2045.32, "end": 2051.56}, {"text": "condition isn't that kind of covered all ready and saying it goes back to the director of planning if he knows our", "start": 2051.56, "end": 2058.52}, {"text": "wishes we want kind of the the color to be muted as much as possible that's kind of covered already", "start": 2058.52, "end": 2065.44}, {"text": "right yeah and through the chair um I I do I have pulled up a couple of the", "start": 2065.44, "end": 2070.52}, {"text": "examples so if the committee does want to look at those details now and if that's sufficient otherwise we as staff", "start": 2070.52, "end": 2077.158}, {"text": "would be happy to work out those details with Helen or if you'd like to add that as a recommended condition you could", "start": 2077.159, "end": 2082.919}, {"text": "also move that I mean it's it's it's meant to be a temporary measure right", "start": 2082.919, "end": 2089.48}, {"text": "so it's not like it's a permanent change to the uh Heritage building", "start": 2089.48, "end": 2096}, {"text": "right why don't share I I have an image right here just one sec an", "start": 2096.32, "end": 2102.72}, {"text": "idea hopefully you're seeing my screen in the Copley", "start": 2105.56, "end": 2111.56}, {"text": "building yeah so here's here's an example of um this type of nutting in", "start": 2111.56, "end": 2117.48}, {"text": "place relatively muted this is obviously a stone uh facade so a little bit", "start": 2117.48, "end": 2123.24}, {"text": "different in terms of the the color impact and then I'll also show you", "start": 2123.24, "end": 2129.64}, {"text": "here at Central Presbyterian so maybe a little bit closer because it's dealing with red brick and here's some example", "start": 2132.4, "end": 2137.839}, {"text": "of what that netting could look", "start": 2137.839, "end": 2141.4}, {"text": "like I can send uh these two links to the group afterwards just for your", "start": 2145.839, "end": 2151.92}, {"text": "reference okay I mean as as a Committee Member I anybody have any opinions about", "start": 2152.2, "end": 2158.599}, {"text": "whether we need to add another condition if anybody wants to add a condition speak", "start": 2158.599, "end": 2164.88}, {"text": "now seems to be okay all right so given the recommended conditions", "start": 2165.52, "end": 2172.88}, {"text": "now um through the three we already discussed may we have a move in a secondary to recommend approval of", "start": 2172.88, "end": 2179.359}, {"text": "Heritage permit HP 2024 039 subject to these three staff recommended conditions", "start": 2179.359, "end": 2188.04}, {"text": "I see Andy and", "start": 2188.04, "end": 2193.44}, {"text": "seconder I see Sandra thank you is there anyone", "start": 2193.92, "end": 2201.119}, {"text": "opposed seeing none that motion is carried thank you okay so", "start": 2202.56, "end": 2209.599}, {"text": "um thank you very much um we will um I guess staff will be in", "start": 2209.599, "end": 2215.8}, {"text": "contact with you on next steps and I appreciate all the information uh", "start": 2215.8, "end": 2220.96}, {"text": "it you know it's always challenging right when there's something you're not sure which way it's going to go keep our", "start": 2220.96, "end": 2226.4}, {"text": "fingers crossed it all goes well up with the new t with the uh turret okay yes thank you so much okay", "start": 2226.4, "end": 2233.72}, {"text": "thank you very much pleasure to speak with you as well this", "start": 2233.72, "end": 2240.16}, {"text": "evening all right so we'll move on to the next item which is 10.3 hp2", "start": 2241.92, "end": 2249}, {"text": "2434 838 Mineral Springs Road in Ancaster wood end house which is a part", "start": 2249, "end": 2254.8}, {"text": "for property so that application is for restoration of all wood windows as", "start": 2254.8, "end": 2261.72}, {"text": "required including frames glass and M mtons replacement of metal storms with", "start": 2261.72, "end": 2267.8}, {"text": "1in insulated glazed wood storms painted to match the existing wood frame and", "start": 2267.8, "end": 2273.2}, {"text": "profile and restoration of the front door including temporary remov for restoration offsite and installation of", "start": 2273.2, "end": 2281.56}, {"text": "bird friendly friendly frost. film on the windows so do we have a representative", "start": 2281.56, "end": 2288.079}, {"text": "from the applicant here to speak to the", "start": 2288.079, "end": 2292}, {"text": "application yes okay Ryan um welcome um as you may", "start": 2293.44, "end": 2300.92}, {"text": "have heard you may take a few moments to speak to the committee if you'd like to explain anything further about um what", "start": 2300.92, "end": 2307.119}, {"text": "your answer answer and then we would probably have some questions from the committee for you okay so would you like", "start": 2307.119, "end": 2313.4}, {"text": "to take a few moments to speak yes and thank you for the opportunity to", "start": 2313.4, "end": 2318.72}, {"text": "speak I'm on here behalf of Hamilton conservation", "start": 2318.72, "end": 2324.319}, {"text": "Authority building sorry Ryan Alyssa here um your", "start": 2324.319, "end": 2331}, {"text": "audio is cutting in and out just a little bit I'm not sure if you're able to to bring the mic closer to to try to", "start": 2331, "end": 2336.28}, {"text": "remedy that thank you how's that that sounded pretty good thank", "start": 2336.28, "end": 2343.76}, {"text": "you well thank you I'm on here behalf of the Hamilton conservation Authority who's currently using the building as", "start": 2343.76, "end": 2350.24}, {"text": "their main office uh with end is uh have both their main", "start": 2350.24, "end": 2357.76}, {"text": "office they are planning to restore enhance um the Energy Efficiency of the wood and houseal and they are also", "start": 2359.92, "end": 2366.96}, {"text": "trying to replace", "start": 2366.96, "end": 2369.92}, {"text": "an sorry Ryan afraid it it's it's pretty dramatic in terms of the the shift it", "start": 2372.72, "end": 2378.76}, {"text": "seems to be going down as you're speaking and then it's not quite audible I don't know if you have a separate mic", "start": 2378.76, "end": 2383.839}, {"text": "you're able to try to", "start": 2383.839, "end": 2386.72}, {"text": "connect sorry about that technical technical difficulties can you hear me", "start": 2389.52, "end": 2395.48}, {"text": "now is it better we can it's it's for some reason as", "start": 2395.48, "end": 2401.04}, {"text": "you're talking it was getting quieter and it was almost um okay let me try one", "start": 2401.04, "end": 2407.2}, {"text": "more thing here that sounds good right now", "start": 2407.2, "end": 2411.599}, {"text": "maybe okay I'll try this for now and let me see how this works okay sorry for the", "start": 2412.4, "end": 2419.119}, {"text": "technical difficulties um as I'm mentioning uh the", "start": 2419.119, "end": 2424.24}, {"text": "house is a stair located at the rear Edition", "start": 2424.24, "end": 2431.839}, {"text": "uh that is currently used as a residential house and they want to also just replace that uh to meet uh the", "start": 2431.839, "end": 2437.92}, {"text": "current code um as mentioned the key restoration and Improvement 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the building a bit more", "start": 2535.319, "end": 2542.2}, {"text": "safe for the rear addition of the residential house and also try to repair all the Windows uh and doors removing uh", "start": 2542.2, "end": 2550.8}, {"text": "the metal storms that's currently there that are a bit cracked and some of the netting has been uh removed as well um", "start": 2550.8, "end": 2559.28}, {"text": "Mo many of the windows don't even operate they painted shut so they intend", "start": 2559.28, "end": 2564.44}, {"text": "to try to restore all that um as well um", "start": 2564.44, "end": 2569.96}, {"text": "so uh yeah any questions thank you Ryan really", "start": 2569.96, "end": 2575.24}, {"text": "appreciate it and um yeah uh any questions from the", "start": 2575.24, "end": 2581.24}, {"text": "committee okay uh Carol please go ahead yeah through the chair um my question is", "start": 2582.88, "end": 2589.28}, {"text": "about the shutters I noticed that the drawing for the new shutters um has 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look", "start": 2646.119, "end": 2651.72}, {"text": "these look nice and they you know they they would work okay but they do look", "start": 2651.72, "end": 2657.04}, {"text": "different than I would think would show up on that building so I'm just going to look at my drawing as well but that's my", "start": 2657.04, "end": 2663.64}, {"text": "question that's the only thing that just sort of struck me is being a little different but let me see okay yes on the", "start": 2663.64, "end": 2673.04}, {"text": "front yep yep okay so that's the question are they based on historical um", "start": 2673.04, "end": 2680.8}, {"text": "style of shutters for that period on that period of", "start": 2680.8, "end": 2686.24}, {"text": "building so yeah so the yes uh the existing uh shutters from our", "start": 2686.4, "end": 2692.119}, {"text": "investigation seems to be original to the house do have all of the or original", "start": 2692.119, "end": 2698.16}, {"text": "uh mechanisms and Hardware related to the house uh they're quite in a poor", "start": 2698.16, "end": 2703.76}, {"text": "condition and been repainted over time so there is it it looks very crackly and", "start": 2703.76, "end": 2709.24}, {"text": "there's a lot of alligatoring going on um they from what I we were discussing", "start": 2709.24, "end": 2716.4}, {"text": "with the client they also took down some of the shutters and have stored them off site somewhere and they are going to try", "start": 2716.4, "end": 2724.48}, {"text": "to uh re uh reattach them to the building as well U so they are trying", "start": 2724.48, "end": 2730.2}, {"text": "we're going to be trying to restore as much of the original ones that they have um to the building the ones that they", "start": 2730.2, "end": 2736.68}, {"text": "don't have uh they will be trying to replicate them uh because some of them", "start": 2736.68, "end": 2741.88}, {"text": "have one on one side but not the other so we're gon to match them to be", "start": 2741.88, "end": 2747.44}, {"text": "original to the building as much as possible okay I think it's just the drawing that I'm seeing that um because", "start": 2747.44, "end": 2754.68}, {"text": "it's black and white you know the shut um they just look a bit different than", "start": 2754.68, "end": 2759.76}, {"text": "they're going to show up in reality so I wanted to just find find out about that thanks a lot that's", "start": 2759.76, "end": 2767.16}, {"text": "good thank you Carol are there any further questions from the", "start": 2767.16, "end": 2772.559}, {"text": "committee I see Andy and I'm not sure did I see Steve as well no okay all", "start": 2772.559, "end": 2777.88}, {"text": "right Andy please go ahead uh yes here the chair just um a", "start": 2777.88, "end": 2783.04}, {"text": "question regarding the restoration of the the windows themselves I'm assuming that the windows that are in there now", "start": 2783.04, "end": 2788.559}, {"text": "are single pane y okay so um the restoration of the", "start": 2788.559, "end": 2794.319}, {"text": "windows as it states in the in the permit um as required as you indicated", "start": 2794.319, "end": 2801.04}, {"text": "um is including the frames glass and Mullens are these external they must be", "start": 2801.04, "end": 2806.64}, {"text": "external Mullens if it's a single pane correct correct yes so is the", "start": 2806.64, "end": 2813.04}, {"text": "restoration of those windows um basically replacing because it also says", "start": 2813.04, "end": 2818.88}, {"text": "glass replacing the glass as single Pane and your installation or um instulation", "start": 2818.88, "end": 2825.16}, {"text": "uh portion of it or um um to insulate would be the storms because you say a 1", "start": 2825.16, "end": 2832.48}, {"text": "in instantly GL um glazed storm wooden storm which is going to replace the I", "start": 2832.48, "end": 2838.88}, {"text": "guess the metal or aluminum so are you going back you just restoring the", "start": 2838.88, "end": 2844.079}, {"text": "original windows with single pane um but the insulation part of it is going to be", "start": 2844.079, "end": 2849.88}, {"text": "the storm itself through the chair yeah so there there are a few uh single pane", "start": 2849.88, "end": 2855.88}, {"text": "windows uh glass that is currently cracked and uh so those will be the ones", "start": 2855.88, "end": 2862.2}, {"text": "that will be replacing uh the rest of the single pane while not touching them we're restoring them if they do need to", "start": 2862.2, "end": 2869.319}, {"text": "be reglazed or or puted we will definitely be doing that as part of this restoration uh and removing the the", "start": 2869.319, "end": 2877}, {"text": "paint as many of the paint is currently flaking uh through our review uh portion", "start": 2877, "end": 2884.4}, {"text": "of the wood uh frames muttons uh have", "start": 2884.4, "end": 2889.839}, {"text": "deteriorated and so we'll be doing like a Dutchman patch to repair as much as", "start": 2889.839, "end": 2896.28}, {"text": "possible okay thank you and one more question just through the through the chair so the the glass itself is just", "start": 2896.28, "end": 2902.8}, {"text": "going to be um single paint again just restoring those and then the insulation", "start": 2902.8, "end": 2908.2}, {"text": "P um Factor will be the storms so you're not you're not putting double paines in", "start": 2908.2, "end": 2913.52}, {"text": "the original windows at all correct correct okay that's all I have thank you", "start": 2913.52, "end": 2919.04}, {"text": "okay thank you Andy uh Alyssa please thanks to the chair I just wanted to to confirm as well I know um Ryan and", "start": 2919.04, "end": 2927.4}, {"text": "team have put together a very extensive um set of drawings of of the detailed", "start": 2927.4, "end": 2932.44}, {"text": "repairs of each individual window so if folks haven't had a chance to review those in the attachment to the note", "start": 2932.44, "end": 2938.04}, {"text": "sheet uh it does identify which ones where there is broken glass and the extent to which um each window requires", "start": 2938.04, "end": 2944.96}, {"text": "certain repairs whether it's the wood reglazing shutters and and what have you so um really appreciate the level of", "start": 2944.96, "end": 2951.119}, {"text": "detail that uh Ryan's provided as a part of this application I have a", "start": 2951.119, "end": 2958.319}, {"text": "question I'm sorry who was that please uh uh Sandra Oh Sandra okay please go", "start": 2958.319, "end": 2963.96}, {"text": "ahead can you hear me yes um um uh Ryan has has do we know who's", "start": 2963.96, "end": 2971}, {"text": "going to be doing this work is this going to be tender at this time no we were not sure", "start": 2971, "end": 2977.44}, {"text": "exactly who's going to be doing the work we wanted to secure the permit", "start": 2977.44, "end": 2983.16}, {"text": "before uh proceeding further okay thank", "start": 2983.16, "end": 2990.72}, {"text": "you I had a comment I just wanted to say I was really impressed by the thought given to", "start": 2991.44, "end": 2997.52}, {"text": "you know the the threat on birds I thought that was wonderful it's like you know each window each right assessing", "start": 2997.52, "end": 3005}, {"text": "everything and uh taking steps to protect them so I mean obviously the conservation authority of course they", "start": 3005, "end": 3011.359}, {"text": "would be doing that so way to go are there any other questions from the", "start": 3011.359, "end": 3017.24}, {"text": "committee it's got a quick comment I guess that you're happy about the birds", "start": 3017.24, "end": 3022.44}, {"text": "because you went downst the Sand Hill crens today I do like birds", "start": 3022.44, "end": 3028.359}, {"text": "that's it that's your comment okay all right well if there's no further questions or comments um may", 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contact with you on next steps and I", "start": 3090.599, "end": 3095.799}, {"text": "appreciate you coming by and answering all the questions so thank you very much thank you everyone thank you for your", "start": 3095.799, "end": 3100.96}, {"text": "time okay take care okay item four this", "start": 3100.96, "end": 3107.68}, {"text": "evening 10.4 HP 20244 610 York Boulevard in Hamilton", "start": 3107.68, "end": 3115.04}, {"text": "which is Dunder Castle part four property um and the application is for installation of a", "start": 3115.04, "end": 3121.64}, {"text": "card reader and electric strike on an exterior Courtyard wooden door and", "start": 3121.64, "end": 3127.92}, {"text": "jam is there a representative from the applicant here this evening to speak to", "start": 3127.92, "end": 3133.319}, {"text": "this any questions here on behalf of the city", "start": 3133.319, "end": 3139.559}, {"text": "okay welcome Jared um would you like to describe anything further about the project uh yeah just briefly I'll add", "start": 3139.559, "end": 3146.88}, {"text": "that this is this is part of a larger um uh project the city initiative to um", "start": 3146.88, "end": 3154.72}, {"text": "make the spaces more accessible and safer to St uh staff especially after", "start": 3154.72, "end": 3160.24}, {"text": "hours um so this door particular was identified by staff as the quickest um", "start": 3160.24, "end": 3168.88}, {"text": "entry point if there is an incident in the courtyard on the exterior of the building um so that they can secure", "start": 3168.88, "end": 3175.119}, {"text": "themselves within the building um so there there's several other doors on the site um that are not Heritage", "start": 3175.119, "end": 3182.119}, {"text": "doors that we're also electrifying um so that a card reader can be used the thought process is that", "start": 3182.119, "end": 3187.839}, {"text": "if if there is an incident they're not having to Fumble with keys uh our staff all have key cards or identifying cards", "start": 3187.839, "end": 3194.88}, {"text": "already and so they would be able to use that to access the building", "start": 3194.88, "end": 3200.28}, {"text": "quicker okay um so if there's any questions I'm happy to answer them I have a question okay we'll start", "start": 3201.04, "end": 3208.76}, {"text": "with Sandra and then we'll do Carol next okay please go ahead Sandra okay thank you thank you uh Jared I was wondering", "start": 3208.76, "end": 3217.599}, {"text": "if there were any drawings or any sort of representation of for the location of", "start": 3217.599, "end": 3223.4}, {"text": "the card reader is going to be what the color will be what model no we don't have that information", "start": 3223.4, "end": 3230.24}, {"text": "yet um I've just been asked to get the heritage permit uh so that our corporate", "start": 3230.24, "end": 3236.079}, {"text": "security team can uh do the request for", "start": 3236.079, "end": 3241.359}, {"text": "quotations um on the other sites that we've already like wharn we did a uh", "start": 3241.359, "end": 3246.839}, {"text": "similar a electric strike and a card reader um it's a black the card reader", "start": 3246.839, "end": 3254.839}, {"text": "Black 2 in wide 4 Ines tall um it's mounted at wharn it's mounted on the", "start": 3254.839, "end": 3261.24}, {"text": "masonry um just to the right of the door uh in this case I'd like to see it", "start": 3261.24, "end": 3267.359}, {"text": "mounted on the jam if we have clearance otherwise it will also have to be mounted on the stucco um to directly to", "start": 3267.359, "end": 3274.839}, {"text": "the uh the left of the door um and the electric strike is pretty straightforward it obviously has to be", "start": 3274.839, "end": 3282.04}, {"text": "within the jam um it's a fairly slim", "start": 3282.04, "end": 3287.28}, {"text": "model uh it'll be I expect it to be just like what we installed at White turn", "start": 3287.28, "end": 3294.599}, {"text": "I think it would be a good idea to um to see a sketch of what you're", "start": 3296.52, "end": 3303.88}, {"text": "describing so when uh the RFQ is sent out to the biders I can ask uh corporate", "start": 3304.119, "end": 3312.04}, {"text": "security to provide us with the um all the items that they're going", "start": 3312.04, "end": 3317.64}, {"text": "to be including or requesting as part of the RFQ and I can forward that along um it it will be exactly the same type of", "start": 3317.64, "end": 3325.559}, {"text": "installation as what we've done at at whern previously though that also had a Heritage", "start": 3325.559, "end": 3334.24}, {"text": "permit okay um Alyssa yes through the chair to to Sanders point if that's something that the subcommittee is", "start": 3335.079, "end": 3341.359}, {"text": "comfortable with we could have that as something that comes back through Heritage staff to review um I recognize", "start": 3341.359, "end": 3347.559}, {"text": "and my apologies for not maybe providing an example of what the units look like we're very used to them here at City", "start": 3347.559, "end": 3353.319}, {"text": "Hall so kind of ubiquitous but um happy to uh if the sub commit is comfortable", "start": 3353.319, "end": 3360.359}, {"text": "have that as a condition that comes back through staff or if it's something that you feel really strongly about uh you could move a motion for that to come", "start": 3360.359, "end": 3366.48}, {"text": "back through the sub committee okay okay thank you um Carol you had a question I do um", "start": 3366.48, "end": 3375.96}, {"text": "actually my question was the same as as uh Sandra's question except there was a", "start": 3375.96, "end": 3382.72}, {"text": "little addition which has well been answered uh how are you going to uh adhere to the building uh the door or", "start": 3382.72, "end": 3390.76}, {"text": "you know the actual masonry or whatever it is so I think that has been answered and I do have a concern about uh you", "start": 3390.76, "end": 3399.079}, {"text": "know whether it goes on the wall or whether it goes on the wood or and also what it looks like since I actually", "start": 3399.079, "end": 3405.76}, {"text": "don't have a clue what they look like now it has been described as 2x4 in but", "start": 3405.76, "end": 3411.44}, {"text": "I don't know what they look like so so if if staff could deal with um you know", "start": 3411.44, "end": 3417.24}, {"text": "with what they choose or review that I would be I think would be happy uh to", "start": 3417.24, "end": 3423.28}, {"text": "leave it with staff um but I do think it's important that you know we we sort", "start": 3423.28, "end": 3428.799}, {"text": "of have an idea of what it looks like before um you know be before they they", "start": 3428.799, "end": 3434.48}, {"text": "make a selection of maybe of um some some choices but um I think staff could", "start": 3434.48, "end": 3443.079}, {"text": "do that help them yeah that's that's what I wanted to ask", "start": 3443.079, "end": 3449.079}, {"text": "about yeah so in the the drer uh for at", "start": 3449.079, "end": 3454.559}, {"text": "wharn we had two options one was a three and a half by three and a half black", "start": 3454.559, "end": 3460.16}, {"text": "box that that's a protrudes about 3/4 of an inch from the wall um and it was", "start": 3460.16, "end": 3466.72}, {"text": "secured to the mortar joints of the stone the other option uh is the slim", "start": 3466.72, "end": 3472.839}, {"text": "profile which is uh about an inch and a half to 2 in wide by 4 in tall um it", "start": 3472.839, "end": 3478.52}, {"text": "it's more of just what suits the application better they they serve the same purpose and they both have the same", "start": 3478.52, "end": 3483.839}, {"text": "black finish okay okay well that that makes it clear now I think really thanks", "start": 3483.839, "end": 3491.72}, {"text": "okay thank you uh are there any further", "start": 3491.72, "end": 3498.48}, {"text": "questions okay I mean I would think that it would probably be okay from my perspective to just have staff look at", "start": 3500.52, "end": 3507.559}, {"text": "it and um agree whether it's appropriate it sound if they've done it for wh Hern", "start": 3507.559, "end": 3513.039}, {"text": "it's probably very similar right and it seems to be kind of a standard thing in terms of look and design so I don't", "start": 3513.039, "end": 3520.48}, {"text": "think there's going to be that much flexibility there right no there isn't okay all right um no further", "start": 3520.48, "end": 3529.88}, {"text": "questions okay um may we see the sorry um sorry I I have one follow", "start": 3529.88, "end": 3536.839}, {"text": "go ahead um how is the the powering of this", "start": 3536.839, "end": 3545.16}, {"text": "uh card reader great question where's the rooting happening and so we always", "start": 3545.16, "end": 3552.319}, {"text": "uh surface mount our wires with it's low voltage wire so it it's a very small", "start": 3552.319, "end": 3558.039}, {"text": "gauge um rather than having to channel through the walls we surface mount and", "start": 3558.039, "end": 3564.4}, {"text": "put it in a wire mold and run along the baseboard typically um and then it can enter the jam enter in behind the", "start": 3564.4, "end": 3572.76}, {"text": "jam um because both the card reader and the electric strike require power um", "start": 3572.76, "end": 3579.16}, {"text": "both of which is low voltage okay so the same it's quite", "start": 3579.16, "end": 3584.64}, {"text": "discreet yeah and it's a it's going to be what's the rooting come disappear", "start": 3584.64, "end": 3593.359}, {"text": "um we come out at the the closest power source at in this case at Dunder um we", "start": 3593.359, "end": 3599.799}, {"text": "believe to be about 3 ft away so we'll pop out the wall that um has the power", "start": 3599.799, "end": 3607.96}, {"text": "down at baseboard height and carry it above just above the baseboard into the", "start": 3607.96, "end": 3614.839}, {"text": "jam um and it'll be concealed with painted out wire", "start": 3614.839, "end": 3619.88}, {"text": "mold okay so you'll see it along the baseboard and into the jam thanks", "start": 3621.039, "end": 3627.119}, {"text": "no problem okay thank you Alissa here the chair", "start": 3627.119, "end": 3632.16}, {"text": "just to confirm on that in terms of um that wiring mold the channel that's on the interior in a staff area right not", "start": 3632.16, "end": 3639.76}, {"text": "in a in a publicly accessible interpretive area yeah no it it it's in", "start": 3639.76, "end": 3646.4}, {"text": "the courtyard there is no staff area there if we're able to uh keep it within the", "start": 3646.4, "end": 3653.28}, {"text": "staff wall um we will for as far as it can go but at some point it has to pop", "start": 3653.28, "end": 3659.76}, {"text": "out and be visible the the wire mold has to be visible on the interior of that door the interior side of the door is a", "start": 3659.76, "end": 3666.48}, {"text": "a publicly accessed space that that's unavoidable without", "start": 3666.48, "end": 3673.16}, {"text": "opening up the whole wall and removing the", "start": 3673.16, "end": 3678.28}, {"text": "door okay thank you uh may we see the conditions proposed conditions please", "start": 3680.119, "end": 3685.4}, {"text": "Alyssa thank you thank youing those up so right now they are", "start": 3685.4, "end": 3690.799}, {"text": "just the two standard conditions so if the subcommittee is interested in", "start": 3690.799, "end": 3696.799}, {"text": "adding a condition uh regarding the final details for the proposed units and", "start": 3696.799, "end": 3703.64}, {"text": "wiring then um that could be added here is anyone have a concern with that", "start": 3703.64, "end": 3711.4}, {"text": "I have no problem myself but if anyone feels strongly that we need to add another condition to see", "start": 3711.4, "end": 3717.559}, {"text": "that pad before they I have no concerns because I know", "start": 3717.559, "end": 3723.599}, {"text": "they're going to keep it as minimal as possible that uh cover the use is", "start": 3723.599, "end": 3729.119}, {"text": "paintable and no matter what we do they're going to need some kind of strike so it's", "start": 3729.119, "end": 3734.16}, {"text": "going to be that size so yeah I really don't see what coming back to us whatever accomplish because there only", "start": 3734.16, "end": 3740.96}, {"text": "so many options available in sizing okay", "start": 3740.96, "end": 3747.48}, {"text": "all right so um may I have a mve in a second or to recommend approval of the Heritage permit HP", "start": 3747.48, "end": 3754.44}, {"text": "2024 040 subject to the staff recommended conditions which you've just", "start": 3754.44, "end": 3759.559}, {"text": "seen and I see Graham and I see Andy thank", "start": 3759.559, "end": 3765.88}, {"text": "you anyone opposed seeing none that motion is", "start": 3765.88, "end": 3772.279}, {"text": "carried thank you very much thank you Jarrett nice to see you again thanks I'll stick around for the next", "start": 3772.279, "end": 3777.96}, {"text": "one as well the next one okay I'd like to welcome Jarett to our final permit", "start": 3777.96, "end": 3783.559}, {"text": "review for this evening which is um item 10.5 HP 2024 041 which is 115 Hunter", "start": 3783.559, "end": 3792.76}, {"text": "Street West Hamilton Magnolia Hall part four property and again installation of", "start": 3792.76, "end": 3798.88}, {"text": "a card reader and electric strike on an exterior Tower wooden door and jam", "start": 3798.88, "end": 3803.96}, {"text": "including a new historically appropriate exterior pull and um so is there anything further", "start": 3803.96, "end": 3811}, {"text": "you'd like to add to that before we start debating it it's the exact same uh scenarios the last one the only", "start": 3811, "end": 3817.559}, {"text": "difference here is the interior side of this door is not a publicly accessible", "start": 3817.559, "end": 3823.76}, {"text": "space so the yeah the wire mold will be contained within a staff only", "start": 3823.76, "end": 3831.76}, {"text": "area okay so all the same material same sizes and you I'm you haven't um made that decision", "start": 3832.279, "end": 3840.96}, {"text": "yet as to which size it's going to be until you get corporate security will have to tell us what what can be used", "start": 3840.96, "end": 3847.92}, {"text": "there um but again it's it's only one of two card readers and it's the most", "start": 3847.92, "end": 3853.559}, {"text": "minimal um electric strike because it's uh just a pull", "start": 3853.559, "end": 3858.96}, {"text": "latch so uh currently there is no exterior Hardware on this door other", "start": 3858.96, "end": 3864.039}, {"text": "than a dead bolt um so we'll have to add a a brass handle on it so that it can be", "start": 3864.039, "end": 3870.72}, {"text": "pulled open when the strike um is", "start": 3870.72, "end": 3875.359}, {"text": "disengaged okay are there any questions from the", "start": 3876.72, "end": 3881.039}, {"text": "committee all right I don't see any um in that case Alysa may we see the", "start": 3884.72, "end": 3891.96}, {"text": "proposed conditions please", "start": 3891.96, "end": 3895.88}, {"text": "again the two standard conditions proposed here", "start": 3898.68, "end": 3905.24}, {"text": "okay so may I have a mover in a seconder to recommend approval of Heritage permit hp22", "start": 3906.24, "end": 3912.68}, {"text": "24041 subject to the staff recemented conditions which you've just seen and I see Sandra", "start": 3912.68, "end": 3918.92}, {"text": "and second I see Carol okay thank you very much is there anyone opposed", "start": 3918.92, "end": 3927}, {"text": "okay see none that motion is carried lovely thank you very much Jarrett appreciate your thank you", "start": 3927.92, "end": 3934.2}, {"text": "everyone by we'll see you again someday yeah very soon take care okay take", "start": 3934.2, "end": 3940.24}, {"text": "care all right if there is no further business may I have a move in a second", "start": 3940.24, "end": 3945.48}, {"text": "to adjourn today's meeting I see Andy and", "start": 3945.48, "end": 3952.64}, {"text": "Graham and um is there anyone", "start": 3952.64, "end": 3958.119}, {"text": "opposed no see none that motion is Carri thank you all our next meeting is", "start": 3958.119, "end": 3963.599}, {"text": "scheduled for January 21st", "start": 3963.599, "end": 3967.799}, {"text": "2025 hope everyone has a has a merry Christmas whatever holiday you celebrate", "start": 3968.96, "end": 3974.079}, {"text": "and have a great hog Manet at the New Year lovely thank you okay thank you all", "start": 3974.079, "end": 3981.319}, {"text": "folks have a good holiday thanks K take care take care thank you", "start": 3981.319, "end": 3989.359}]