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{"text": "meeting uh members I'm sure you know where you can find the agenda at the", "start": 302.639, "end": 308.919}, {"text": "portal uh staff's available are there any Declaration of Interest under the", "start": 308.919, "end": 317}, {"text": "municipal of conflict interest act seeing none we will proceed may I have a", "start": 317, "end": 324.08}, {"text": "motion to confirm the minutes of November 5th 2024 councelor Angley all those in favor of post carried we are", "start": 324.08, "end": 331.319}, {"text": "going to run through the agenda and", "start": 331.319, "end": 336.88}, {"text": "uh okay item one have speakers item two", "start": 336.88, "end": 345.96}, {"text": "have speakers item three have speakers item four have um these are", "start": 345.96, "end": 354.199}, {"text": "depants item four have a lot of deput item five has a deput item six of", "start": 354.199, "end": 361.84}, {"text": "depence we are moving ah item seven", "start": 361.84, "end": 369.039}, 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{"text": "that folks I need your your uh attention are folks", "start": 1088.679, "end": 1095.12}, {"text": "okay deputations is three minutes okay I see no other speaker all", "start": 1095.12, "end": 1104.72}, {"text": "those in favor of that motion opposed", "start": 1104.72, "end": 1110.08}, {"text": "Carri okay thank you", "start": 1110.96, "end": 1115.6}, {"text": "counselor three minutes it is first item", "start": 1116.12, "end": 1121.799}, {"text": "19.1 we have Mark Richardson and Peter Martin let's start with Mark Richardson", "start": 1121.799, "end": 1127.12}, {"text": "this is this is the strengthening the city of Toronto's Housing Development capacity", "start": 1127.12, "end": 1133.36}, {"text": "to deliver housing faster um Mark Richardson are you", "start": 1133.36, "end": 1142.64}, {"text": "here I do not see Mark Richardson here", "start": 1142.64, "end": 1148.12}, {"text": "that's um Peter Martin are you", "start": 1148.12, "end": 1155.279}, {"text": "here Mr 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the recommendations counselor Bravo I have a couple quick", "start": 2012.24, "end": 2018.159}, {"text": "questions staff there's some questions are the questions to staff anyone oh sorry I didn't was looking here", "start": 2018.159, "end": 2026}, {"text": "uh definitely mayor moley thank you um Madam chair I just wanted to pick up on a couple of the quick um suggestions", "start": 2026, "end": 2032.559}, {"text": "from the deput here around convening stakeholders on this issue and I wondered if anybody could speak to me about whether there's any plans um to do", "start": 2032.559, "end": 2040.2}, {"text": "that I Mo room to excuse me uh through the chair uh so first of all as part of", "start": 2040.2, "end": 2046.559}, {"text": "our program review we actually did involve stakeholders specifically the different agencies boards to find out", "start": 2046.559, "end": 2052.398}, {"text": "what they were doing because again they will each have their own policy right um so we've started 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and released additionally wonderful um really good and then the last one I just wanted to hit on was", "start": 2140.48, "end": 2145.92}, {"text": "around um the conversation with our agency partners and and other boards and um divisions of the city of Toronto is", "start": 2145.92, "end": 2153.119}, {"text": "it an undertaking that staff can do as you continue those conversations to share our most um up-to-date policy and", "start": 2153.119, "end": 2160.16}, {"text": "encourage um their boards to be taking this under consideration as they develop their own policies uh it's definitely", "start": 2160.16, "end": 2167.119}, {"text": "something that we can keep doing again we have a number of uh contacts and just", "start": 2167.119, "end": 2172.16}, {"text": "uh groups that are organized as part of our uh General procurement processes so that can definitely be encouraged and we", "start": 2172.16, "end": 2178.599}, {"text": "can continue to bulk up on that fantastic thank you so much those are all my questions Madam chair Council", "start": 2178.599, "end": 2184.8}, {"text": "Bravo question to the STA thank you I'll just follow follow up with a couple of questions um so one of the dimensions", "start": 2184.8, "end": 2193.24}, {"text": "that's being raised here is around targets um and the need to also have compliance measures would you agree that", "start": 2193.24, "end": 2200.319}, {"text": "we have to do um more work to um understand uh how to ensure that we have", "start": 2200.319, "end": 2208.52}, {"text": "um the templates that we're using the way that we're setting up the process so", "start": 2208.52, "end": 2213.64}, {"text": "that it's legally sound and also effective that there's more work to do and that will require an investment of", "start": 2213.64, "end": 2220.319}, {"text": "thinking time energy and and um looking um jurisdictionally across the across", "start": 2220.319, "end": 2226.24}, {"text": "the globe where this this work is done uh better 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you very much look forward to", "start": 2408.16, "end": 2414.4}, {"text": "that thank you um any other questions I have a few questions online", "start": 2414.4, "end": 2421.16}, {"text": "so go ahead you sorry um my question is also related", "start": 2421.16, "end": 2429.04}, {"text": "to targets having these numbers in the report really helps us form a baseline", "start": 2429.04, "end": 2435.119}, {"text": "can you speak um a little bit to how you are currently using the targets that", "start": 2435.119, "end": 2442.64}, {"text": "exist so again currently we are using targets as part of our um solicitations", "start": 2442.96, "end": 2448.599}, {"text": "as well as other um other areas such as work", "start": 2448.599, "end": 2453.88}, {"text": "Workforce Development over 50 million um for contracts are over two years over 5", "start": 2453.88, "end": 2459.24}, {"text": "million that's how we're setting our targets um and this is how they're being used again they're not set in a 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and we're recruiting", "start": 2991.96, "end": 2997.16}, {"text": "let's make sure everybody has a chance and gets lifted up thank you thank you", "start": 2997.16, "end": 3002.92}, {"text": "so much uh seeing no other speaker Council Bravo you move the Amendments the sorry the uh the recommendation in", "start": 3002.92, "end": 3010.079}, {"text": "front of us okay uh or Council of Fletcher who wants to move the motion I'll move okay Council Fletcher all", "start": 3010.079, "end": 3017.04}, {"text": "those in favor opposed carry thank you um the next item music school yes uh M", "start": 3017.04, "end": 3025.599}, {"text": "Madam chair um I just wanted because I know you're trying to sort of clear the decks uh and I held uh 20 be because uh", "start": 3025.599, "end": 3034.4}, {"text": "there was a motion coming uh but and I see there which one is it number item 20", "start": 3034.4, "end": 3039.88}, {"text": "St Laurence Center for the Arts yep because I I see there are people here 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{"text": "lease before you today will bring us one significant Step Closer to bringing the Howen Carswell School of Music at Jane", "start": 3173.079, "end": 3180}, {"text": "Finch to life in the near term I will turn it over to my colleague and long-term board member of the cmst board", "start": 3180, "end": 3186.2}, {"text": "of directors Jesse miten thank you Richard uh thank you executive council members I worship", "start": 3186.2, "end": 3191.92}, {"text": "members of the executive committee the proposed ground lease presented for your approval today represents a significant", "start": 3191.92, "end": 3197.48}, {"text": "milestone for the Helen Carswell School of Music Of Jane Finch the project is a 5600t building to be constructed", "start": 3197.48, "end": 3204.16}, {"text": "adjacent to the yorkwoods library providing class rooms performance space and administrative areas it's going to", "start": 3204.16, "end": 3209.28}, {"text": "turbocharge cms's growth in the Jane Finch Community the ground least establishes the legal framework for the", "start": 3209.28, "end": 3215.48}, {"text": "construction and operation of the project and is the culmination of a lot of hard work on the part of cmst and our", "start": 3215.48, "end": 3220.52}, {"text": "consultants and advisers reflects the hard work and dedication of City staff including from commercial real estate", "start": 3220.52, "end": 3226.16}, {"text": "legal and planning departments we thank the staff who have helped us move the file forward towards today's approval", "start": 3226.16, "end": 3231.4}, {"text": "Motion in particular Alan Allison fosa from commercial real estate team whose", "start": 3231.4, "end": 3236.68}, {"text": "vision and practical approach have been essential we'd also like to thank councilor bruts and may Chow for their", "start": 3236.68, "end": 3241.839}, {"text": "leadership in shepherding this file through the city's approval process and allowing us the opportunity to depute before you today on behalf of cmst we", "start": 3241.839, "end": 3250}, {"text": "thank the executive committee for its attention to this project and please to answer any questions you might", "start": 3250, "end": 3256.079}, {"text": "have thank you uh those of you that have missed a", "start": 3256.16, "end": 3261.2}, {"text": "concert at Danel Spectrum it was spectacular uh thank you for your hard work", "start": 3261.2, "end": 3267.319}, {"text": "councelor Fletcher has a question and I know councelor peruta have just stopped", "start": 3267.319, "end": 3272.68}, {"text": "his car and want to do you have questions or you want to to the deputat", "start": 3272.68, "end": 3279.559}, {"text": "councilor Fletcher do you have questions to your deputat I I I don't know if councelor Pera has questions or he's", "start": 3279.559, "end": 3285.52}, {"text": "just here to speak to this great initi councelor Pera do you have question to a deput I will definitely put you to", "start": 3285.52, "end": 3292.2}, {"text": "speak no I do not have any questions but I would like to say um a couple of words", "start": 3292.2, "end": 3297.559}, {"text": "thank you hang hang tight in a minute councilor Fletcher a question to deput thank you would you", "start": 3297.559, "end": 3304.079}, {"text": "just be able to tell us a little bit more about uh the region the model", "start": 3304.079, "end": 3310}, {"text": "because your model was the region Park School of Music which was set up through the", "start": 3310, "end": 3315.48}, {"text": "revitalization of region park it was one of the components as I understand important cultural component and it", "start": 3315.48, "end": 3322.16}, {"text": "seems to me that this new school that you're going to set up is is also part of that uh plan for for the north part", "start": 3322.16, "end": 3331.319}, {"text": "of the city but can you just tell us a little bit about your model and how transformative it is and how you worked", 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it's not like we're starting from scratch out there we're reaching 200 kids there a week now and allowing", "start": 3375.72, "end": 3381.839}, {"text": "us this opportunity to build this new state-of-the-art facility will more than dou are reach and reaching hopefully", "start": 3381.839, "end": 3388.24}, {"text": "about 500 kids A week there each week great and um do you in that how do", "start": 3388.24, "end": 3397.52}, {"text": "you work is it just completely separate from ton community housing or what's your inter it's separate from Toronto", "start": 3397.52, "end": 3403.119}, {"text": "Community Housing but we definitely work with Toronto Community Housing in the region Park neighborhood um and in Jane", "start": 3403.119, "end": 3408.44}, {"text": "Finch uh it's basically it it works by referral but people come in as well um", "start": 3408.44, "end": 3414.16}, {"text": "it's a it's a it's a different model in that sense but we have criteria for making sure that those who need 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and did Mustafa go to your school Mustafa the poet uh persisted to", "start": 3457.799, "end": 3463.72}, {"text": "become a student at our school Charlotte seagull who also works uh with the Canadian Opera company started with us", "start": 3463.72, "end": 3469.88}, {"text": "like as a young child at the age of six went all the way to the age of 18 so we work with kids for over like basically", "start": 3469.88, "end": 3476.72}, {"text": "Generations at this point we've been doing it for 25 years so it's transformative I would say so great", "start": 3476.72, "end": 3484.039}, {"text": "thank you very much for that that's exciting to hear and you're now move that Fuller model with moving to five is", "start": 3484.039, "end": 3490.52}, {"text": "500 students your maximum or do you have more capacity we think so because it's a comprehensive model that sees them", "start": 3490.52, "end": 3496.119}, {"text": "coming more than once a week so they'd come for a private lesson but then 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happy with with delivering community events there um and if we need more we have Partners in the neighborhood where we can get bigger if", "start": 3538.72, "end": 3546.2}, {"text": "we need it as well as in region Park we do you know larger scale performances as", "start": 3546.2, "end": 3551.319}, {"text": "well we're doing a performance in June with 850 kids on stage so wish us", "start": 3551.319, "end": 3556.76}, {"text": "luck yes invite us okay can't wait sorry", "start": 3556.76, "end": 3562.2}, {"text": "I didn't want to interrupt um okay any other questions to the to a deput if not thank you for your", "start": 3562.2, "end": 3570.4}, {"text": "amazing work it just um I've seen kids life transformed and I see them at", "start": 3570.4, "end": 3576.799}, {"text": "Merson choir now some of them we heard you couldn't do it without you thank you so much right all right uh councelor", "start": 3576.799, "end": 3584.599}, {"text": "peruta I am sure you want to say a few words about 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Park and its transformation", "start": 3980.16, "end": 3986.24}, {"text": "because in revitalizations we're not just transforming buildings we want to", "start": 3986.24, "end": 3991.799}, {"text": "transform people and give them the opportunity to grow in their life and at", "start": 3991.799, "end": 3997.799}, {"text": "not at this committee uh but at the the uh Economic Development as and Community", "start": 3997.799, "end": 4004.16}, {"text": "Development Committee we had wonderful deputations about the the secondary plan", "start": 4004.16, "end": 4011}, {"text": "the revitalization of the area not a knockdown and revitalite but just deep deep how can we make a better Jane and", "start": 4011, "end": 4019.079}, {"text": "Finch and I think what I'm hearing today and it is that this is actually an", "start": 4019.079, "end": 4025.4}, {"text": "important part of that I didn't hear about this when everybody came from Jane and F Finch for the Social Development", "start": 4025.4, 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4080.16}, {"text": "approving this item all the yep oppose Carrie thank you very much for coming to", "start": 4080.16, "end": 4086.76}, {"text": "uh to our committee today I have seen other counselor said", "start": 4086.76, "end": 4092.64}, {"text": "that they have items they want to release is that true okay counselor Angley you have an item that you want to", "start": 4092.64, "end": 4100.719}, {"text": "releas is that 19 can release uh item number uh 24", "start": 4100.719, "end": 4105.96}, {"text": "tell us who what it is so that I just this is human resource management and ethical framework for member staff", "start": 4105.96, "end": 4113.199}, {"text": "exactly okay all those in favor of receipt oppose carry thank you anybody else have", "start": 4113.199, "end": 4120.56}, {"text": "anything else councelor Carol that motion is now ready and can be moved", "start": 4120.56, "end": 4125.838}, {"text": "here what number is it item number 20 okay St Lauren Center for the Arts", 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okay with this all those in favor Council Carol's Amendment", "start": 4176.56, "end": 4184.12}, {"text": "item as amended oh that's it that is the item all the oppose carry thank you", "start": 4184.12, "end": 4191.44}, {"text": "councelor Carol that's 20 anybody else have any items to release No Okay um", "start": 4191.44, "end": 4199.92}, {"text": "Miguel uh this is item 25 updating the code of conduct for public members of", "start": 4199.92, "end": 4206.44}, {"text": "City council's Advisory Board hello manguel you have three", "start": 4206.44, "end": 4213.88}, {"text": "minutes when you're ready okay go for it good morning", "start": 4214.52, "end": 4222.159}, {"text": "uh I am here and and to speak on this important item that my councelor Chris", "start": 4222.159, "end": 4228.84}, {"text": "Moyes is supporting it um I just want to recommend the following that support", "start": 4228.84, "end": 4235.56}, {"text": "mechanisms are in place when there's a discrepancy uh you know 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4334.04}, {"text": "important you know I mean I'm not trying to hurt you your feelings I'm just trying to make sure that an attended", "start": 4334.04, "end": 4339.8}, {"text": "consequences sometimes it happens you know has to be brought forward for instance at the uh our regional Affairs", "start": 4339.8, "end": 4346.44}, {"text": "advisory committee we are proposing a working plan to include a member of", "start": 4346.44, "end": 4352.159}, {"text": "indigenous community at the Toronto Police Services Board councelor Mel is aware of that also we trying to increase", "start": 4352.159, "end": 4360.12}, {"text": "I mean encourage the creation of an anti- indigenous racism strategy that is", "start": 4360.12, "end": 4366.159}, {"text": "so missing in the city of Toronto so those things is one of the things that we are working on and uh and uh last and", "start": 4366.159, "end": 4374.28}, {"text": "not least I want to say that the Civic appointments committee really needs to be 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4566.56}, {"text": "proposal uh this elegant solution uh addresses the urgent need to invest in a", "start": 4566.56, "end": 4572.28}, {"text": "historically underfunded part of the city and aligns with Toronto's Vision as a dynamic inclusive and sustainable", "start": 4572.28, "end": 4578.12}, {"text": "cultural Hub uh Scaro is home to a vibrant diverse Community but we often face barriers when it comes to accessing", "start": 4578.12, "end": 4584.679}, {"text": "culture cultural opportunities uh as an example in 2023 Scarboro received just", "start": 4584.679, "end": 4590.159}, {"text": "3.62% of the total funding allocated by the Toronto Arts Council despite being home to 21% of the city's residents uh", "start": 4590.159, "end": 4597.52}, {"text": "this reveals a painful reality Scaro has been left behind when it comes to cultural investment that is why this", "start": 4597.52, "end": 4603.36}, {"text": "proposal to reinvest the revenue generated by Guild and estate back into the 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4938.239}, {"text": "of some of their profit seems that to be a way to to meet those um to meet those", "start": 4938.239, "end": 4943.6}, {"text": "responsibilities okay thank you Tyler thank you Madame mayor those are my questions great thank", "start": 4943.6, "end": 4949}, {"text": "you Council lley thank you um councelor Carol yes thank you um I I", "start": 4949, "end": 4956.6}, {"text": "I'm going to ask a couple of these questions of of Staff but I I'm wondering what is your understanding of", "start": 4956.6, "end": 4962.28}, {"text": "your lease Arrangement you you subase from Parks forestry and", "start": 4962.28, "end": 4968.48}, {"text": "Recreation oh sorry that's to yes we uh we Su from Parks forestry and Recreation to use the theater uh for the for the", "start": 4968.92, "end": 4976.92}, {"text": "summer months and um is that a is that a below Market rent lease was it uh", "start": 4976.92, "end": 4984.239}, {"text": "negotiated out in that fashion uh it's calculated 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{"text": "over and walk through the park before it was restored but it was still beautiful um and uh look at the the old", "start": 5405.119, "end": 5413.44}, {"text": "artist Cottage and all of that I I love the whole thing um but here's the thing", "start": 5413.44, "end": 5419.36}, {"text": "as much as we love the guild this is a major departure from Park and real", "start": 5419.36, "end": 5424.92}, {"text": "estate policy um one we really can't walk down the road on without Council", "start": 5424.92, "end": 5430.4}, {"text": "taking a really good hard look at how we Finance Parks forestry and Recreations", "start": 5430.4, "end": 5437}, {"text": "uh facilities if you have not looked at the operating and capital variance", "start": 5437, "end": 5442.56}, {"text": "reports on this division specifically if you skimmed over that hoping I would", "start": 5442.56, "end": 5447.96}, {"text": "read it all I did but you should too because when we start to take the the", "start": 5447.96, 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5494.639, "end": 5500.239}, {"text": "say why can't I get one single playground done why can't I get this one thing I want done why am i 10 years or", "start": 5500.239, "end": 5507}, {"text": "12 years out in the plan it it would be the the result of hiving off the", "start": 5507, "end": 5513}, {"text": "revenues in this way instead of accumulating them and earning on them and being able to spend them at a at a", "start": 5513, "end": 5519.639}, {"text": "really coordinated uh Capital approach and so um we we may have to sit down and", "start": 5519.639, "end": 5525.8}, {"text": "talk about how how do we uh uh deal with the guild but I I implore you I hope", "start": 5525.8, "end": 5531.4}, {"text": "you'll support my motion to receive because this one of way is is not the way we're going to get there um thank", "start": 5531.4, "end": 5538.639}, {"text": "you those are my comments Madam chair", "start": 5538.639, "end": 5543}, {"text": "Angley yeah um thank you madam chair um I brought this motion forward um I want to thank staff for all the hard work and", "start": 5546.32, "end": 5552.48}, {"text": "dedication ongoing support for uh The Guild parking Gardens um this is uh on", "start": 5552.48, "end": 5558.96}, {"text": "top of the guild parking Gardens is on top of the the Scaro Bluffs in the south end of my ward um it's had it has the", "start": 5558.96, "end": 5566}, {"text": "Guild in Estates banquet hall and facility in it which is part of the Bickford house which was originally", "start": 5566, "end": 5572.639}, {"text": "built in the uh 1920s and has now become a a banquet facility and we're hoping to", "start": 5572.639, "end": 5580.6}, {"text": "get a restaurant reopened in it um the increase in uh attendees in uh on the", "start": 5580.6, "end": 5587.159}, {"text": "grounds uh with also including the Clark Center for the Arts has been increasing", "start": 5587.159, "end": 5592.36}, {"text": "each and every year um we have the The Guild Theater which uh Tyler sigu the", "start": 5592.36, "end": 5598.119}, {"text": "first depent um mayor you've been at it it's an amazing Theater Company bigger", "start": 5598.119, "end": 5603.48}, {"text": "and every year I think they get frustrated you know they call talk about pods behind the amphitheater that they", "start": 5603.48, "end": 5610.679}, {"text": "use for change rooms well there're really shipping containers that they bring in um you know we're using", "start": 5610.679, "end": 5617.679}, {"text": "porta-potties as we're working with Parks and Recreation to have more uh washroom facilities putting on the", "start": 5617.679, "end": 5624.08}, {"text": "grounds we have a number of strategic plans on the site around Pathways um and walkways in and are", "start": 5624.08, "end": 5632.4}, {"text": "working connecting with the Waterfront Trail the conservation authorities building along the bottom of the deck or", "start": 5632.4, "end": 5638.719}, {"text": "the Bluffs um so I 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5751.04, "end": 5757.119}, {"text": "okay Mark wierson are you online can can you hear me okay I can't see you I can", "start": 5760.6, "end": 5767.199}, {"text": "barely hear you okay give me one second while you're fixing it I'm gonna ask", "start": 5767.199, "end": 5773}, {"text": "Peter Martin who is here to speak first and then I'll get to", "start": 5773, "end": 5780.04}, {"text": "you okay um Mark Richardson Peter Martin on Housing Solutions manager of the", "start": 5780.04, "end": 5786.48}, {"text": "Toronto Alliance to end homelessness on this item yes good", "start": 5786.48, "end": 5792.08}, {"text": "morning um the Toronto Alliance D homelessness is uh really happy to", "start": 5792.08, "end": 5797.6}, {"text": "support The Proposal with this agenda item to create a new uh Housing", "start": 5797.6, "end": 5804.679}, {"text": "Development Office uh co-equal to the other departments under development and", "start": 5804.679, "end": 5810.4}, {"text": "growth Services um we 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{"text": "have a multi-disciplinary capacity because of the range of of of things", "start": 5859.04, "end": 5864.239}, {"text": "it's required to do so we need to make sure that there's enough people in there from who have expertise in planning uh", "start": 5864.239, "end": 5871.32}, {"text": "and uh and and buildings and bylaws all of those types of things as well as the uh what we would expect in terms of", "start": 5871.32, "end": 5878.119}, {"text": "supporting these types of projects uh in terms of specifics um one of the things", "start": 5878.119, "end": 5884}, {"text": "we want to point out is that in the transfer of functions and responsibilities to the new office it", "start": 5884, "end": 5890.239}, {"text": "might be prudent not to have a a certain date for all of those transfers to take", "start": 5890.239, "end": 5895.36}, {"text": "place um in particular we're looking at the RFP uh rollouts in the future um", "start": 5895.36, "end": 5902.44}, {"text": "while they may originally be spread out in in a nice pattern the vicissitudes of the reality of of developing sites means", "start": 5902.44, "end": 5909.8}, {"text": "that sometimes they can Bunch up the roll roll out of rfps is a really important part of the job of the new", "start": 5909.8, "end": 5916.199}, {"text": "development Housing Development Office and I think it's really important that the transfer of those responsibilities", "start": 5916.199, "end": 5922.76}, {"text": "take place when there's a there's not a bunching of rfps so that the office can", "start": 5922.76, "end": 5928.56}, {"text": "get it SE legs under it and make sure that their their ability to do effect Ive and efficient roll outs is done uh", "start": 5928.56, "end": 5937.4}, {"text": "tied in with that we in the sector are doing our part to rationalize our", "start": 5937.4, "end": 5942.8}, {"text": "application process in response to your rfps and uh the more information we have", "start": 5942.8, "end": 5947.92}, {"text": "moving forward as to where those rfps are coming down the down the pipeline the easier it does for us to allocate", "start": 5947.92, "end": 5954.28}, {"text": "projects internally within the sector so we're strongly recommending that the work we've already started doing with", "start": 5954.28, "end": 5959.84}, {"text": "the housing Secretariat around an RFP calendar continue this is a key", "start": 5959.84, "end": 5965.32}, {"text": "component of the work that we can do in allocating efficiently these rfps and finally uh the sector as a whole T The", "start": 5965.32, "end": 5973.48}, {"text": "Cooperative housing Federation of Toronto and others strongly recommend that we participate in the codesign of", "start": 5973.48, "end": 5979.88}, {"text": "the functions and operations of this department for maximum efficiency I see I'm at three minutes thank you so much", "start": 5979.88, "end": 5987.8}, {"text": "co-designing always works better thank you for your offer um any questions do", "start": 5987.8, "end": 5994.599}, {"text": "no uh I have Mark Richardson thank you no thank", "start": 5994.599, "end": 5999.84}, {"text": "you can you hear me now now I can hear you a lot better go for it perfect okay", "start": 5999.84, "end": 6005.44}, {"text": "uh so ladies and gentlemen I'm Mark Richardson uh I'm the volunteer technical lead of housing now to uh last", "start": 6005.44, "end": 6012.04}, {"text": "week was the sixth anniversary of the city announcing the housing now program in December of 2018 uh since that time", "start": 6012.04, "end": 6019.599}, {"text": "we've been tracking the affordable housing projects that have been managed by by the housing Secretariat and create", "start": 6019.599, "end": 6025.8}, {"text": "to and Toronto Community Housing um generally we think that there may be", "start": 6025.8, "end": 6031.48}, {"text": "some good outcomes uh from reshuffling um the um the or chart", "start": 6031.48, "end": 6038.199}, {"text": "within development and growth services in the same way that we've seen positive outcomes from splitting the city", "start": 6038.199, "end": 6043.4}, {"text": "planning role and the development review role in the last year uh splitting out some of the housing development content", "start": 6043.4, "end": 6049.88}, {"text": "from housing Secretariat will also likely be useful um the focus on this though definitely", "start": 6049.88, "end": 6055.96}, {"text": "has to be on delivering housing faster and our key concern today is that the", "start": 6055.96, "end": 6064.36}, {"text": "the act of doing this reorg at the same time as we expect a federal government election in", "start": 6064.36, "end": 6070.44}, {"text": "2025 uh may not make things go faster by the time you get this organization stood", "start": 6070.44, "end": 6076.199}, {"text": "up you may have totally different players on the other side of the table in Ottawa um so it's it's important that", "start": 6076.199, "end": 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political Purity um", "start": 6170.48, "end": 6177.48}, {"text": "and have you take any questions thank you um questions to", "start": 6177.48, "end": 6184.639}, {"text": "deput no okay thank you uh question to staff councilor perks councilor Carol", "start": 6184.639, "end": 6191.28}, {"text": "yeah um my first question is to the city manager um I'm looking at the recommendations particularly", "start": 6191.28, "end": 6197.32}, {"text": "recommendation three which uh establishes uh what create to's role is", "start": 6197.32, "end": 6204.719}, {"text": "going to be could you just sort of quickly summarize what the change we're seeking there is so the change is really", "start": 6204.719, "end": 6213.52}, {"text": "because of all the work that we're trying to to do as a city the city is going to take on much more of the role of identifying these opportunities and", "start": 6213.52, "end": 6220.36}, {"text": "then talking about what part of Team Toronto is best to deliver on that we're delivering more through the city of", "start": 6220.36, "end": 6225.52}, {"text": "Toronto we want create to play the strong role it has in the past when that makes sense and the Toronto Community", "start": 6225.52, "end": 6231.32}, {"text": "Housing Corporation to do the same so what's different is that we are going to have um more of a lens into all of the", "start": 6231.32, "end": 6238.84}, {"text": "opportunities that take place first and then decide how best to deliver the last deput and said this is about execution I", "start": 6238.84, "end": 6245.84}, {"text": "couldn't agree more however that execution is about what are the opportunities generating opportunities", "start": 6245.84, "end": 6251.159}, {"text": "is wonderful look at what who is the best uh Delivery Agent to do that and move forward from there so so if I can", "start": 6251.159, "end": 6259.48}, {"text": "try to summarize make sure I've understood uh right now we have three different entities that can 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the mayor yes they do and we'll continue to refine what that means on a DA daily basis and I do want to", "start": 6305.36, "end": 6311.599}, {"text": "articulate um jump off that question to say this is not about slowing down", "start": 6311.599, "end": 6316.88}, {"text": "existing projects this is about how we look forward so the fear that for some reason something that's happening today", "start": 6316.88, "end": 6323.08}, {"text": "would suddenly be delayed by 6 months or year not the intent this is about moving forward in a more structuralized way and", "start": 6323.08, "end": 6330.119}, {"text": "uh I imagine you've done some transition planning to make sure that all projects currently inflate will continue as the", "start": 6330.119, "end": 6338.36}, {"text": "the leadership within the city uh crystallizes and starts going absolutely", "start": 6338.36, "end": 6345.56}, {"text": "and and really this is about finding someone who will get up every day and think about this 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{"text": "restructuring we did of the players and the people that support the development review process is a good instructive", "start": 6597.8, "end": 6604.08}, {"text": "example of how we can do this it was very clear we needed people to work together differently and and that has", "start": 6604.08, "end": 6610.719}, {"text": "working for us and we're seeing those improvements already this will follow suit with this it does report to uh the", "start": 6610.719, "end": 6616.84}, {"text": "deputy city manager of development and growth it's very clear that at the senior leadership table uh we will sure", "start": 6616.84, "end": 6622.92}, {"text": "that the right people are are obviously supporting this and and I use that example of Legal Services as a good", "start": 6622.92, "end": 6629.04}, {"text": "example where Wendy came and said how do I help support this but I need to also talk to you about the the resource", "start": 6629.04, "end": 6635.239}, {"text": "constraints we have as 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7334.8}, {"text": "public meetings called for to switch electrical outlets how can we stop this nonsense", "start": 7334.8, "end": 7342.28}, {"text": "with this new approach I don't know who wants to answer that", "start": 7342.28, "end": 7348.48}, {"text": "question you mayor CH uh and counselor thank you for the question and the the sentiment very much agree uh this is", "start": 7348.48, "end": 7355.36}, {"text": "where we are working with staff not only are we looking at improving our development review processes but also", "start": 7355.36, "end": 7361.84}, {"text": "our um our buildings processes as well because these often aren't just within say development review this is also part", "start": 7361.84, "end": 7368.639}, {"text": "of our buildings process so the Improvement effort that we've made from a development review perspective is now", "start": 7368.639, "end": 7374.92}, {"text": "also being taken U from a buildings perspective as well so those types of incidents that 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I'm good I'm ready other speaker", "start": 8405.68, "end": 8413.88}, {"text": "count uh Council of perks thank you uh mayor Chow okay guys everyone calm down", "start": 8413.88, "end": 8422.96}, {"text": "let's try to feel a little bit good about ourselves for a minute okay cast your mind back to say April", "start": 8422.96, "end": 8429.88}, {"text": "2023 where there was a debate about whether the program should be called housing now or housing never you", "start": 8429.88, "end": 8437.8}, {"text": "remember that remember that in the pre like prior to the most recent meril", "start": 8437.8, "end": 8443.88}, {"text": "election citizens in Toronto in Toronto were incredibly upset because when asked", "start": 8443.88, "end": 8450.16}, {"text": "what's your housing program doing we'd say oh something will happen soon don't", "start": 8450.16, "end": 8455.479}, {"text": "worry that was literally what the government of the city of Toronto was saying until we had the change in", "start": 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9254.08}, {"text": "known as scrow it's a multi-stakeholder group of community volunteers seeking to renew Scaro", "start": 9254.08, "end": 9260.76}, {"text": "the Scarboro Walk of Fame at Scaro Town Center is also part of our portfolio the SRT is gone history sadly", "start": 9260.76, "end": 9268.56}, {"text": "missed by many thank you to the mayor and Council for the funding and the ongoing work by TTC to create the", "start": 9268.56, "end": 9274}, {"text": "Scarboro busway to address the transit needs in scarbo once the scarbo subway", "start": 9274, "end": 9279.2}, {"text": "extension is open after 2030 the busway will no longer be needed this now", "start": 9279.2, "end": 9284.76}, {"text": "creates a worldclass opportunity for Toronto to create a spectacular linear Park from can", "start": 9284.76, "end": 9290.2}, {"text": "station to Scaro Town Center which we would tentatively call the scarbro Skyway a similar lard Park in a dense", "start": 9290.2, "end": 9297.6}, {"text": "Urban environment in New York Highline is a Highline 15 years old currently has an annual visitor level between 8 and 9", "start": 9297.6, "end": 9304.319}, {"text": "million people sc's vision for the Scarboro Skyway is to reach a similar level of", "start": 9304.319, "end": 9310.24}, {"text": "interest in number of visitors some 15 to 20 years after it would potentially open this is entirely possible given", "start": 9310.24, "end": 9316.64}, {"text": "that the scarbo Skyway is twice as wide as the Highline and will allow for both a walking and a bike trail along with", "start": 9316.64, "end": 9323.12}, {"text": "the parks water features Green Space food world class art culture and all the connections to the different parts of", "start": 9323.12, "end": 9329.2}, {"text": "Scaro such as the scarbo meaway connected to the dawn River Trails Don Toronto Zoo and the r rou your Urban", "start": 9329.2, "end": 9335.8}, {"text": "National Park let's not miss this opportunity so I have 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{"text": "of 2025 on a number of items we're suggestion you push that down to Q4 I think that gives us some time to do some", "start": 9377.399, "end": 9383.96}, {"text": "additional study and work on this second point I want to make is others such as University of Toronto scarbo and the", "start": 9383.96, "end": 9390.2}, {"text": "design Industry Council are intensely studying this potential the OT Master", "start": 9390.2, "end": 9396.12}, {"text": "students and there is one who will be here deputing today to Sabina has done case study review across North America", "start": 9396.12, "end": 9402.439}, {"text": "of similar things on all aspects of governance users all that sort of thing", "start": 9402.439, "end": 9407.92}, {"text": "housing I'll let her speak to that a Us skyro survey will be conducted shortly", "start": 9407.92, "end": 9414.12}, {"text": "and determine the level of community support and agreement for a Skyway scro will then host a uh town hall meeting", "start": 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consider the potential of this", "start": 9499.64, "end": 9505.319}, {"text": "project become a new transformational iconic space for Scaro given scarrow's historical underinvestment in", "start": 9505.319, "end": 9511.6}, {"text": "transportation Community spaces so Dr montario we have a students who have produced a very massive report called", "start": 9511.6, "end": 9518.12}, {"text": "re-examining the scarber RT insights from North American Transit repurposing projects these are Masters and PhD level", "start": 9518.12, "end": 9524.68}, {"text": "students at the University haros Scaro through the institute for inclusive economics and sustainable livelihoods so", "start": 9524.68, "end": 9531.08}, {"text": "there's a lot of work done at the University with the community with scow with a number of other organizations in SCU are been talking about this for", "start": 9531.08, "end": 9538.479}, {"text": "actually not just months but a couple of years so why isn't the city talking to us about what should happen here they're", "start": 9538.479, "end": 9544.72}, {"text": "not so we're kind of kind of uh don't want to throw anybody under the bus but we should be talked to and scrow has a", "start": 9544.72, "end": 9551.72}, {"text": "very good relationship with Oxford properties which owns the scarbo Town Center through your work on the Scaro", "start": 9551.72, "end": 9558.359}, {"text": "Walk of Fame is that correct that's correct and I'm not at Liberty to say the results of our discussion but we had", "start": 9558.359, "end": 9564.52}, {"text": "a discussion with the vice president of of Oxford property yesterday and uh the", "start": 9564.52, "end": 9569.56}, {"text": "results of that discussion are quite positive towards what we want to look at he's also suggesting what's the hurry", "start": 9569.56, "end": 9575.88}, {"text": "let's look at this in a more fullsome way so because we'd have to get from the subway station to the mall we have to", "start": 9575.88, 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{"text": "so you're get off the station there's no plan for how they're going to get to the mall other than Crossing maau station", "start": 9622.56, "end": 9628.439}, {"text": "which is pretty congested and then crossing a a Barren parking lot which is", "start": 9628.439, "end": 9634.6}, {"text": "also pretty inequitable if you think of the people with disabilities people who do their grocery shopping at the Walmart", "start": 9634.6, "end": 9641.68}, {"text": "um people with disabilities who already have a hard time enough traveling in scarbro what do you think it would say", "start": 9641.68, "end": 9647.64}, {"text": "if we didn't have a solution when that Subway opens to how we're going to get those four to 5,000 people a day to the", "start": 9647.64, "end": 9653.8}, {"text": "mall have all the billions spent on this Subway if that wasn't a one part of the solution to the subway we would look", "start": 9653.8, "end": 9659.439}, {"text": "really dumb we need to make sure that connection happens not only for the the mall itself but for all the residential", "start": 9659.439, "end": 9666.16}, {"text": "buildings that are going part of the development that's going to happen within that space so there's 15,000 some", "start": 9666.16, "end": 9671.479}, {"text": "people going to be living there they need to get to the subway and to the mall and all through that area and this", "start": 9671.479, "end": 9677.68}, {"text": "elevated Green Space from m over to the mall and then the accade Green Space which the tracks are almost gone now", "start": 9677.68, "end": 9682.72}, {"text": "from we can make that connection from Kennedy up to the scarber town center a fabulous place with art food Green Space", "start": 9682.72, "end": 9690.08}, {"text": "fountains water cycling pedestrian use it could could be f it could probably a world class better than the Highline", "start": 9690.08, "end": 9697.04}, {"text": "because the Highline is only one train track wide this is two train tracks wide and we could do a lot more with that space so the design Industry Council is", "start": 9697.04, "end": 9703.6}, {"text": "going to do a charette at the end of January we certainly provide the results of that to the city staff the results of", "start": 9703.6, "end": 9709.399}, {"text": "our community consultation will provide to the city staff but we would like to that to be a two-way conversation not just providing information that goes to", "start": 9709.399, "end": 9716.04}, {"text": "a shelf and if one of the solutions was let's say what they have at Yorkdale where you get off Yorkdale mall and you", "start": 9716.04, "end": 9722.68}, {"text": "walk through a catwalk that's sort of enclosed similar to what we have there", "start": 9722.68, "end": 9727.76}, {"text": "that might be an option correct absolutely absolutely for sure there's lots of opportunities for the designers", "start": 9727.76, "end": 9733.96}, {"text": "that are going to attend this Shir like just to come up with cool ideas like that make it a cool place for that connection", "start": 9733.96, "end": 9740}, {"text": "thank you very", "start": 9740, "end": 9742.56}, {"text": "much hi Jim hi Josh so you're uh if I", "start": 9746.04, "end": 9751.439}, {"text": "hear you correctly you are simply asking rather than us today to say we want to", "start": 9751.439, "end": 9757.2}, {"text": "demolish uh the concrete structure to allow for some time to do the due", "start": 9757.2, "end": 9762.8}, {"text": "diligence uh to explore um uh what Arrangements we can", "start": 9762.8, "end": 9768}, {"text": "you know make with with each jent landowner to uh explore how to fund it Etc let's do the work before just", "start": 9768, "end": 9774.92}, {"text": "pronouncing today that we want to get rid of it that's right U when I look at the the uh the elevated portion of the", "start": 9774.92, "end": 9780.76}, {"text": "SRT it doesn't look like the gardener it's looking in pretty good shape from a lay person's perspective so the second", "start": 9780.76, "end": 9786.8}, {"text": "bullet of your recommendations is to you know is substantially remove the Scaro Rapid Transit line fre infrastructure", "start": 9786.8, "end": 9793.319}, {"text": "understand the reason for that and I understand that you know once Transit infrastructure is no longer reason for Transit that it's supposed to be under", "start": 9793.319, "end": 9798.6}, {"text": "policy removed well there's other opportunities for this infrastructure that you can override that policy and", "start": 9798.6, "end": 9803.92}, {"text": "say wait a minute here let's do some more study and work on what this potentially could be if we could have", "start": 9803.92, "end": 9809.439}, {"text": "two or three or four million people visit that scarbo will be on the map and Scaro under funding and Transit and", "start": 9809.439, "end": 9816.479}, {"text": "other things has continued for years so this is a time to re 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be willing or interested in working on in the future does sort of be a Lynch pin we're we're push we're", "start": 9893.279, "end": 9900.16}, {"text": "pushing for that and I'm I've put my hand up as a leader for that uh pushing that forward yes thank you very much", "start": 9900.16, "end": 9906.72}, {"text": "thank you Council Carol yeah I may CH okay thank you y I got you Thompson", "start": 9906.72, "end": 9914.24}, {"text": "councelor Thompson yep got it sorry I being an outside member was waiting for", "start": 9914.24, "end": 9920.56}, {"text": "Thompson of course I didn't see you okay councelor Thompson go for it thank you", "start": 9920.56, "end": 9926.8}, {"text": "very much uh M through you to the speaker uh can you tell me about the uh", "start": 9926.8, "end": 9934.96}, {"text": "number of um land owners who own properties along this Corridor that are", "start": 9934.96, "end": 9941.92}, {"text": "looking to develop at the moment I don't have that information", "start": 9941.92, "end": 9949.8}, {"text": "great can you tell me the number of people who live between Kennedy subway", "start": 9949.8, "end": 9956.279}, {"text": "station and elmir how far distance back from the", "start": 9956.279, "end": 9963.04}, {"text": "rsrt are you talking about within a block within well sir I'm simply asking you to provide us with information", "start": 9963.04, "end": 9970.72}, {"text": "regarding the number of people that live within the corridor between Kennedy", "start": 9970.72, "end": 9975.84}, {"text": "Station and elmir so you your question would be better uh answered by the uh", "start": 9975.84, "end": 9981.68}, {"text": "University of Toronto Scarboro The Institute for inclusive okay so you don't you don't have an answer I don't have that answer the univ T Garo has", "start": 9981.68, "end": 9987.88}, {"text": "done that research and work thank you sir thank you can you tell me how many", "start": 9987.88, "end": 9993.359}, {"text": "factories or businesses employment uh businesses that are located within that", "start": 9993.359, "end": 9998.72}, {"text": "Corridor there are quite a few just as there are in the Highline in New York there's quite a few you have the number", "start": 9998.72, "end": 10004.08}, {"text": "sir I'm asking you for a number you have that information we haven't done that okay thank you", "start": 10004.08, "end": 10009.68}, {"text": "okay but you've indicated here to us as part of your presentation that scroll", "start": 10009.68, "end": 10015.04}, {"text": "your organization and other members of community has done a lot of work is that did you say that we've done a lot of", "start": 10015.04, "end": 10021.72}, {"text": "work in discussing the potential for this not done the homework that you're talking about of how many people that'll", "start": 10021.72, "end": 10026.96}, {"text": "come in the further months if this if this motion is how many people you", "start": 10026.96, "end": 10032}, {"text": "actually met with in scabo Center specifically as part of your organization to discuss this issue", "start": 10032, "end": 10039.52}, {"text": "which Community organization have you met with in Scaro Center so we've met with the next speaker on the deputation", "start": 10039.52, "end": 10046.08}, {"text": "list is the agent Court uh uh group we've met with son we've met with", "start": 10046.08, "end": 10051.56}, {"text": "scarber agent court is not in scar Sor Madam mayor on a point of very much United neighborhoods hang on folks", "start": 10051.56, "end": 10059.279}, {"text": "councilor Angley has a point of order yeah sorry the the my colleague asking", "start": 10059.279, "end": 10064.84}, {"text": "the question dep the deput questions and he's not the depants not being allowed", "start": 10064.84, "end": 10069.92}, {"text": "to finish I'd like to hear his complete answers okay let's um it it could be", "start": 10069.92, "end": 10076.52}, {"text": "because of distant but uh why don't we hear the answer uh right now from the", "start": 10076.52, "end": 10082.16}, {"text": "deputy just repeat the question please which question question is is the number", "start": 10082.16, "end": 10087.72}, {"text": "of wrestl living in that area I think so we' met with beyond that Madam Madam", "start": 10087.72, "end": 10092.84}, {"text": "chair I had gone beyond that because the speaker didn't have an answer I was simply asking the speaker how many", "start": 10092.84, "end": 10099.319}, {"text": "Community associations within Scaro Center he and his organization has met", "start": 10099.319, "end": 10104.6}, {"text": "with he has indicated that he has met with an organization that is in Scaro", "start": 10104.6, "end": 10109.72}, {"text": "agent Court which is not in Scaro Center that's what I was okay got you thank you", "start": 10109.72, "end": 10115.08}, {"text": "may I just's have an answer on that question for the speaker gotcha um answer so so we have uh we", 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not on this item but um if you can wrap up I", "start": 15116.08, "end": 15124.279}, {"text": "will let people know that's my fault I did not let folks know if you can", "start": 15124.279, "end": 15130.279}, {"text": "conclude I will attempt to do that I looked in vain in your materials today for any mention of the opportunity the", "start": 15130.279, "end": 15135.96}, {"text": "potential development of the airport lands presents I did find some helpful words that should form part of your", "start": 15135.96, "end": 15142.319}, {"text": "vision for our Waterfront and for those airport lands that are such a significant part of them from the KPMG", "start": 15142.319, "end": 15149}, {"text": "2021 report and I'll skip down several", "start": 15149, "end": 15154.08}, {"text": "government interviewees noted that the pace of revitalization could be accelerated and there remained a need", "start": 15154.08, "end": 15159.6}, {"text": "for a globally recognized destination like Sydney Opera House or London's tape modern to draw activity", "start": 15159.6, "end": 15166.56}, {"text": "and interest to the Waterfront the Magnificent located own airport lands would be just ideal for that let's seize", "start": 15166.56, "end": 15175.159}, {"text": "this moment let's get it right thank you so much for your time", "start": 15175.159, "end": 15180.84}, {"text": "any questions to the deput seeing none is Mr Moore here Max", "start": 15180.84, "end": 15187.72}, {"text": "Moore he he may be online ah he's online okay uh", "start": 15187.72, "end": 15193.96}, {"text": "um oh here he is all yours three minutes I my apology we we had a motion that", "start": 15193.96, "end": 15201.92}, {"text": "have uh moved it from five minutes to three minutes go for it all right I and", "start": 15201.92, "end": 15207.439}, {"text": "I wonder if I can share my screen you should be able to yeah I can share", "start": 15207.439, "end": 15213.08}, {"text": "content and can you all see this uh picture 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{"text": "Waller front is in your board did you want to ask question to the staff or did", "start": 15418.399, "end": 15425.64}, {"text": "you want to send this forward or do something with the report in I have some", "start": 15425.64, "end": 15431.439}, {"text": "questions for sta sor I'm sorry oh Deputy Mayor M sorry did", "start": 15431.439, "end": 15437.84}, {"text": "you have a question to staff or did you want to speak um I have questions for staff and then I wanted to speak okay a", "start": 15437.84, "end": 15445}, {"text": "question to staff Deputy Mayor Malik any question three three questions um uh", "start": 15445, "end": 15453.119}, {"text": "first of all thank you for um the work that has gone into what's in front of us", "start": 15453.119, "end": 15458.72}, {"text": "and just wanted to hear a little bit more about the economic benefits that have come from the first phase of", "start": 15458.72, "end": 15465.319}, {"text": "the Waterfront", "start": 15465.319, "end": 15468}, {"text": "revitalization good afternoon it's David Stonehouse from the Waterfront Secretariat and through the mayor uh", "start": 15470.399, "end": 15476.68}, {"text": "according to Waterfront Toronto's 2023 24 integrated annual report uh the work", "start": 15476.68, "end": 15484.08}, {"text": "associated with Waterfront revitalization has generated approximately 28,000 years of a", "start": 15484.08, "end": 15489.159}, {"text": "construction employment uh added approximately 3 7 billion to the Canadian economy in terms of", "start": 15489.159, "end": 15497.398}, {"text": "GDP generated approximately 1.4 billion in tax revenues largely Federal and", "start": 15497.64, "end": 15503.199}, {"text": "provincial taxes and generated over10 billion of completed private sector", "start": 15503.199, "end": 15508.399}, {"text": "investment in the Waterfront thank you for that and with", "start": 15508.399, "end": 15516.119}, {"text": "the recommendations in the package that's in front 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much for uh just", "start": 15762.76, "end": 15769.399}, {"text": "going to take a few brief moments um first of all to thank City staff for all the work that's been done to bring the", "start": 15769.399, "end": 15776.399}, {"text": "recommended package forward for this next phase of Waterfront revitalization building on the incredible work that", "start": 15776.399, "end": 15782.399}, {"text": "we've seen so far and thank you to all the community uh stakeholders and and", "start": 15782.399, "end": 15788.04}, {"text": "business uh stakeholders who have continued to support these efforts all along the Waterfront and I've been proud", "start": 15788.04, "end": 15794.56}, {"text": "to work closely with staff at the board of Waterfront Toronto to ensure that we're setting up the leadership", "start": 15794.56, "end": 15801.119}, {"text": "structure and funding to achieve our shared goals for a new and vibrant", "start": 15801.119, "end": 15806.359}, {"text": "Waterfront as we move forward and through these recommendations we're setting out our intent for what", "start": 15806.359, "end": 15812.479}, {"text": "Waterfront looks like for all of us for for all torontonians as well as one that invests", "start": 15812.479, "end": 15818.52}, {"text": "in the future of our city in the best way possible and as was shared just you", "start": 15818.52, "end": 15824.479}, {"text": "know in the discussion it is also an invitation to other levels of government to help and support us to get us there", "start": 15824.479, "end": 15831.359}, {"text": "we've demonstrated what's possible on three levels of government work together on ambitious projects that continue to", "start": 15831.359, "end": 15837.68}, {"text": "unlock our capability to meet our priorities as a city when it comes to housing when it comes to Transit when it", "start": 15837.68, "end": 15844.08}, {"text": "comes to public and green spaces and when it comes to continuing to build out", "start": 15844.08, "end": 15849.159}, {"text": "a place that will attract uh visitors from far and wide as well as be a place of enjoyment and refuge for torontonians", "start": 15849.159, "end": 15855.92}, {"text": "as well I'm looking forward to what the next few decades allow us to do and to", "start": 15855.92, "end": 15860.96}, {"text": "set another example for what Waterfront revitalization could be and to continue to move these efforts forward with", "start": 15860.96, "end": 15869.04}, {"text": "thanks okay councelor Angley and councelor", "start": 15869.04, "end": 15876.119}, {"text": "Fletcher uh thank you Madame mayor I do have an amendment that I would like to move", "start": 15876.119, "end": 15882.88}, {"text": "uh the city council request the deputy city manager development and growth services to report back to the second quarter of 2025 on opportunities to", "start": 15882.88, "end": 15890.319}, {"text": "advance wider Waterfront initiatives outside of the central Waterfront and designated Waterfront area projects", "start": 15890.319, "end": 15896.08}, {"text": "listed in the report from the deputy city manager including City and Toronto and region conservation Authority joint", "start": 15896.08, "end": 15902.6}, {"text": "projects on the scar toico portions of Lake Ontario Waterfront that could benefit from funding from senior levs of", "start": 15902.6, "end": 15909.479}, {"text": "government so to inform intergovernmental discussions and funding requests and 2026 budget", "start": 15909.479, "end": 15916.159}, {"text": "deliberations I just want to thank staff for all of the work that they've been doing on the waterfront um I'm moving", "start": 15916.159, "end": 15922.279}, {"text": "this partially in my role not only as a city counselor but also as the chair of the Toronto and region conservation", "start": 15922.279, "end": 15928.64}, {"text": "Authority as the trca continues in this work with City staff um doing building", "start": 15928.64, "end": 15934.8}, {"text": "up our Waterfront and also advocating to other levels of government for money to", "start": 15934.8, "end": 15939.92}, {"text": "achieve that work thank you C can I ask a question of the", "start": 15939.92, "end": 15946.04}, {"text": "Mover sure car so is that question", "start": 15946.04, "end": 15951.8}, {"text": "to it's just question the Mover yep go ahead yeah um I'm just two things uh my", "start": 15951.8, "end": 15958.279}, {"text": "first question is you've asked for a report in the second quarter is that aligned with the report that's coming", "start": 15958.279, "end": 15963.56}, {"text": "back anyway or are we going to end up with a report that's a little out of sink here no I believe they're aligned", "start": 15963.56, "end": 15969.88}, {"text": "so there's a there is a waterfront report coming then anyway yes that's my understanding okay and um the this this", "start": 15969.88, "end": 15979.52}, {"text": "is this is your your motion is pretty 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we're doing here because the first phase of Waterfront development was", "start": 16074.88, "end": 16082.439}, {"text": "basically uh flood proofing the Waterfront flood proofing the East End", "start": 16082.439, "end": 16087.56}, {"text": "of the city uh to go along with excuse me coun sry I'm just I'm I'm", "start": 16087.56, "end": 16093.56}, {"text": "supporting I'm saying that it's not in order well you're going to have to talk to the clerk about that but this is the", "start": 16093.56, "end": 16100.159}, {"text": "2.0 is with Waterfront Toronto a 1.0 was", "start": 16100.159, "end": 16105.76}, {"text": "the flood proofing the river getting everything ready for development but the", "start": 16105.76, "end": 16111.239}, {"text": "part that's not ready for development and we've always known that what has to", "start": 16111.239, "end": 16116.399}, {"text": "happen to get ready for development is all the infrastructure for development and that includes all of the sewers all", 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this new project which has captured the imagination of so many", "start": 16260.319, "end": 16267}, {"text": "torontonians and I mean that very seriously when you see the new Bridges when you see the river when you see the", "start": 16267, "end": 16273.479}, {"text": "river flow the dawn River not in a concrete box flowing to the Inner Harbor", "start": 16273.479, "end": 16279.119}, {"text": "there it's a very exciting moment in our city so I will move these recommendations Madam mayor thank you", "start": 16279.119, "end": 16285.96}, {"text": "Council Carol to speak yeah I my concerns are are are", "start": 16285.96, "end": 16292.88}, {"text": "similar to councelor Fletchers my concern is this we we try", "start": 16292.88, "end": 16298.279}, {"text": "to to to be specific and purposeful with each each of these Waterfront reports", "start": 16298.279, "end": 16303.92}, {"text": "but then then we we add in more General motions and we never get down to what are we talking about today 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well", "start": 16613.84, "end": 16619.199}, {"text": "articulated but unfortunately one key factor is missing from the report that tono population in", "start": 16619.199, "end": 16625.92}, {"text": "2026 when the PTC were regulated and in 2024 four this information may help this", "start": 16625.92, "end": 16634.68}, {"text": "committee to learn why PTC drivers are making barely five to six dollar per", "start": 16634.68, "end": 16641.6}, {"text": "hour Madame chair according to this report in 2020 in 2016 there were", "start": 16641.6, "end": 16648.52}, {"text": "9,051 PTC drivers and Cho population was 2.87", "start": 16648.52, "end": 16655.039}, {"text": "million in 2024 there are 8,429 PTC drivers and tono population is", "start": 16655.039, "end": 16663.84}, {"text": "approximately 3.1 million there was barely a 10% growth in the population", "start": 16663.84, "end": 16670.199}, {"text": "but 180% growth in the PTC drivers in 2016 there was a one PTC", "start": 16670.199, 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moreover we all know that many of these people aren't citizens and so cannot vote in", "start": 16859.52, "end": 16866.12}, {"text": "your next election this does not mean that they don't deserve to be treated like people we we're watching change", "start": 16866.12, "end": 16872.68}, {"text": "it three drivers are an essential service and should be treated as such Uber's letter also said that they are a", "start": 16872.68, "end": 16878.08}, {"text": "critical essential service I agree and it's the only essential service without guaranteed wages or employment standards", "start": 16878.08, "end": 16884}, {"text": "owned by a largely unprofitable yet for-profit foreign organization I don't worry whether my bus driver will eat", "start": 16884, "end": 16889.52}, {"text": "tonight but my Uber driver I do we're watching change it four the laws of", "start": 16889.52, "end": 16894.798}, {"text": "supply and demand exist and are being weaponized to screw drivers over they are looking to increase the number of drivers from $50,000 to $80,000 in a", "start": 16894.798, "end": 16901}, {"text": "year that's a 60% increase in Supply the demand for rides is not going to go up by 60% in a year so what goes down the", "start": 16901, "end": 16907.798}, {"text": "price and who will that screw the drivers the vast majority of rides are delivered by full-time drivers we all", "start": 16907.798, "end": 16913.36}, {"text": "know it and the companies know it this is not a side gig this is their livelihood and in front of all of our eyes it is being further gouged we're", "start": 16913.36, "end": 16920.12}, {"text": "watching change it five what these companies do is not that hard putting", "start": 16920.12, "end": 16925.28}, {"text": "drivers on an app and connecting them with riders is not difficult and it's something the city and domestic competitors like hover can", "start": 16925.28, "end": 16931.718}, {"text": "do don't let them convince you otherwise don't let them convince you that they are the only god-given Arbiters of", "start": 16931.718, "end": 16936.878}, {"text": "applications we know you can act we're watching change it I'm not an expert on policy I'm an expert on what it's like", "start": 16936.878, "end": 16943.04}, {"text": "to live in a city where worker abuse is legal and pervasive and I know this is something we are currently choosing if you take nothing else away from this we", "start": 16943.04, "end": 16949.44}, {"text": "know the barbarians have breached the gate protect the people who live in this city we're watching please change it", "start": 16949.44, "end": 16955.718}, {"text": "thank you thank you so much questions to the deput", "start": 16955.718, "end": 16962.44}, {"text": "um thank you for taking time thank you uh George Well wed uh president of rice", "start": 16962.44, "end": 16969.4}, {"text": "share Drivers Association of", "start": 16969.4, "end": 16973}, {"text": "Ontario uh thank you mayor thank you committee attached with my submission", "start": 16978.32, "end": 16983.44}, {"text": "today is a copy of the peer reviewed legislated poverty report as well as the new RDO upfront AI pricing report", "start": 16983.44, "end": 16991.92}, {"text": "it has been more than a year since city council discovered that ride share drivers wages are far below any", "start": 16991.92, "end": 16998.48}, {"text": "acceptable minimum wage contrary to the ride share company's self-serving rhetoric and marketing well that was", "start": 16998.48, "end": 17005.798}, {"text": "then on October 8th this year Uber has stupped up their D their driver ATM", "start": 17005.798, "end": 17011.2}, {"text": "withdrawals by unleashing their new pricing scheme referred to as upfront", "start": 17011.2, "end": 17016.28}, {"text": "fairs with this new pricing scheme there is no rate card no perk kilometer fee or", "start": 17016.28, "end": 17022.48}, {"text": "time fee just a black box that secretly sizes up a rider and decides what", "start": 17022.48, "end": 17027.958}, {"text": "maximum amount the app can charge for the trip and then looks at the driver and does exactly the opposite driving", "start": 17027.958, "end": 17035.4}, {"text": "the earnings further below the grossly unacceptable amounts of last year RDA", "start": 17035.4, "end": 17042.08}, {"text": "speculates that some level of government will step in and put an end to such outrageous violations of public trust", "start": 17042.08, "end": 17049.718}, {"text": "and the use of AI for these purposes will be outlawed but drivers can't wait", "start": 17049.718, "end": 17054.798}, {"text": "that long we are looking to the city of Toronto who is the corporate partner of", "start": 17054.798, "end": 17060.44}, {"text": "this bad corporate actor to solve this issue the city cannot deny their", "start": 17060.44, "end": 17066.718}, {"text": "culpability on this violation of public trust after all they too have profited", "start": 17066.718, "end": 17072.04}, {"text": "from the partnership last year alone the city netted more than $15 million in", "start": 17072.04, "end": 17078.2}, {"text": "fees through their agreement with Uber and paid by drivers the RDA recommends", "start": 17078.2, "end": 17084.718}, {"text": "in the strongest terms that bylaws be drafted to prohibit such gross", "start": 17084.718, "end": 17090.798}, {"text": "misconduct explicit explicitly prohibiting the use of AI for pricing", "start": 17090.798, "end": 17096.798}, {"text": "purposes and take it the all important next step to mandate a city approved", "start": 17096.798, "end": 17102.958}, {"text": "rate card be used erdao also recommends that the city to whatever extent is", "start": 17102.958, "end": 17110.08}, {"text": "permissible under bylaws put a cap on commissions there's not much more to say", "start": 17110.08, "end": 17115.84}, {"text": "about wages because let's all face it it's disgusting that blue collar workers", "start": 17115.84, 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I make $7 go to the company $3 go to the driver and then the driver", "start": 17333.12, "end": 17341.16}, {"text": "will also have to pay expenses that's correct Mar including", "start": 17341.16, "end": 17346.638}, {"text": "the gas and etc etc", "start": 17346.638, "end": 17351.84}, {"text": "every expense that's required to keep your car fit and ready and on the road", "start": 17351.84, "end": 17358.04}, {"text": "so really is not $3 you may get $2 out of it so we we if we had to pick a", "start": 17358.04, "end": 17364.36}, {"text": "number we would pick one that was per kilometer what would be the expense to run a car on the road no different than", "start": 17364.36, "end": 17371.04}, {"text": "taxi or any other uh Transport service and 35 cents per kilometer is uh", "start": 17371.04, "end": 17378.6}, {"text": "probably a low number but we don't want to overinflate numbers just to make our situation look worse", "start": 17378.6, "end": 17386.798}, {"text": "okay okay thank you for that information thank you mayor thank you", "start": 17386.798, "end": 17391.958}, {"text": "committee um uh we have the next speaker", "start": 17391.958, "end": 17397.2}, {"text": "IAM", "start": 17397.2, "end": 17399.796}, {"text": "freed good afternoon my name is Crown fre and uh I've been a taxi driver in", "start": 17408.2, "end": 17414.08}, {"text": "city of Toronto for last 39 years uh this report the stop recommends", "start": 17414.08, "end": 17421.76}, {"text": "to receive it only but I believe that this report should be integral part of", "start": 17421.76, "end": 17427.718}, {"text": "next item because when you are recommending the cap you should be", "start": 17427.718, "end": 17435.44}, {"text": "considering at the same time What PTC drivers are making currently", "start": 17435.44, "end": 17441.718}, {"text": "uh this report is not conclusive either because it does not give us compare", "start": 17441.718, "end": 17447.6}, {"text": "comparison with other North American jurisdiction uh how they have balanced", "start": 17447.6, "end": 17454.12}, {"text": "the S PTC service and the taxi service uh in those", "start": 17454.12, "end": 17460.52}, {"text": "jurisdictions also there should have been", "start": 17460.52, "end": 17466}, {"text": "comparison for the wages for every year from 20 16 to", "start": 17466, "end": 17472.6}, {"text": "2024 they only gave us comparison for one year in 2023 the driver was making", "start": 17472.6, "end": 17481.92}, {"text": "$5.97 uh sorry in 2023 the driver was making PTC driver was making", "start": 17482.04, "end": 17489.24}, {"text": "$7.94 per hour whereas in 2024 he was making only", "start": 17489.24, "end": 17497.16}, {"text": "$5.97 the number of PTC driver in 2023 three were", "start": 17497.16, "end": 17503.2}, {"text": "61,62 to 8,400 and 29 drivers it clearly give you", "start": 17505.84, "end": 17514}, {"text": "a relationship in between the their earnings and the number of PTC drivers", 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17572.76, "end": 17579.04}, {"text": "we have before us the really the the staff reports and the consultant reports are very high quality um valuable", "start": 17579.04, "end": 17586.798}, {"text": "reports that really extend our understanding of what's happening in the industry and and shed some light on why", "start": 17586.798, "end": 17592.48}, {"text": "it is in October we saw two Wildcat strikes break out um at Pearson Airport", "start": 17592.48, "end": 17597.92}, {"text": "among um PTC drivers and uh why we hear more and more stories like customers", "start": 17597.92, "end": 17604.84}, {"text": "being stranded at this was a recent global news report 3:00 a.m. uh being a", "start": 17604.84, "end": 17610.24}, {"text": "CA by driver saying look I'm being offered 62 bucks or you're be you're being uh you have to pay 62 bucks for", "start": 17610.24, "end": 17617.36}, {"text": "this fair I'm being offered 18 Let's Make a Deal the the passenger a woman felt a bit", "start": 17617.36, "end": 17624.04}, {"text": "nervous about this understandably and was stranded so you know th this is a", "start": 17624.04, "end": 17631.16}, {"text": "consumer safety issue when when work is this precarious it spills over into uh", "start": 17631.16, "end": 17638.12}, {"text": "it it it affects passengers and and that is why I think in 1998 in 2014 in other", "start": 17638.12, "end": 17644.48}, {"text": "cities um city after city has decided to limit the amount of taxis and and that's", "start": 17644.48, "end": 17650.84}, {"text": "relevant for this conversation um but going back to the uh surveillance pay I", "start": 17650.84, "end": 17656.44}, {"text": "think the authors of the the city study note that it's going to be a lot harder to figure out what people earn now based", "start": 17656.44, "end": 17663.52}, {"text": "on um the fair data that we collect because they're completely disconnected as uh George very eloquently explained", "start": 17663.52, "end": 17670.08}, {"text": "this is not only a uh an issue of customer safety and um driver welfare it", "start": 17670.08, "end": 17676.32}, {"text": "affects the city's ability to flow through uh payments and", "start": 17676.32, "end": 17682.2}, {"text": "subsidies uh via the platforms because I don't think we can be confident any", "start": 17682.2, "end": 17687.84}, {"text": "longer if we're say providing a $1 subsidy uh per trip through through um", "start": 17687.84, "end": 17693.28}, {"text": "the platforms um that uh driver pay won't be adjusted accordingly we can't know I'm", "start": 17693.28, "end": 17700.28}, {"text": "not saying that's happened but we can we can't be confident that it's not happening and I think that's something", "start": 17700.28, "end": 17705.68}, {"text": "um the city should take very seriously and as to what we can do um you know we", "start": 17705.68, "end": 17711.76}, {"text": "know the city can regulate uh through through the ACT fairs licenses numbers", "start": 17711.76, "end": 17717.44}, {"text": "of licenses um the other thing the city can do is make sure that if there is a a", "start": 17717.44, "end": 17723.24}, {"text": "predatory if we if we can't uh improve driver pay through uh regulating", "start": 17723.24, "end": 17729.638}, {"text": "customer fairs that drivers at least have other options um other companies if they if", "start": 17729.638, "end": 17735.08}, {"text": "they're the subject of predatory behavior they don't have to work at that particular company and that's where we", "start": 17735.08, "end": 17741.28}, {"text": "have started to talk about the importance of uh City control city issued licenses single ISS city issued", "start": 17741.28, "end": 17746.958}, {"text": "licenses for PTC drivers so that they have some Choice over where to work and", "start": 17746.958, "end": 17752.2}, {"text": "then passengers have some Choice over where to get their next ride that's it for me thank you a question councelor", "start": 17752.2, "end": 17759.16}, {"text": "bravoo and Fletcher thank you for the deputation and for all of the deputations really um the the question", "start": 17759.16, "end": 17766.08}, {"text": "of uh writer choice and a single um issue license is that's is that the", "start": 17766.08, "end": 17773.68}, {"text": "approach that's been taken in other cities and yeah I think the approach we have here is is somewhat unusual uh", "start": 17773.68, "end": 17781.44}, {"text": "definitely in other big markets like New York and London there's this um PTC drivers or ride hill drivers will get a", "start": 17781.44, "end": 17788.08}, {"text": "single license that they can use with any licensed company and that really gives them it makes it easier for their", "start": 17788.08, "end": 17794.28}, {"text": "platforms to enter it makes it easier for drivers to exercise agency so at", "start": 17794.28, "end": 17800.36}, {"text": "presently um by having a single a license with one", "start": 17800.36, "end": 17806.638}, {"text": "company um so yes I know I'm going there um so what", "start": 17806.638, "end": 17814.08}, {"text": "you're saying is that the way to drive up to increase wages is to allow competition so that the the the driver", "start": 17814.08, "end": 17820.08}, {"text": "can choose where to work and there would be competition generated that is one way to help for", "start": 17820.08, "end": 17826.44}, {"text": "sure I think um you know regulating fairs regulating license license numbers", "start": 17826.44, "end": 17831.638}, {"text": "are important um but this is also important you know everybody is sort of", "start": 17831.638, "end": 17836.92}, {"text": "uh hostage uh because the market has become so concentrated here and the last question is around regulating fairs how", "start": 17836.92, "end": 17843.52}, {"text": "do you um imagine that regulating fairs would have an impact on uh d uh driver", "start": 17843.52, "end": 17851.04}, {"text": "compensation when there's no transparency to drivers or to writers that's only the case with uh two", "start": 17851.04, "end": 17860.2}, {"text": "two companies so in there are definitely um like taxis have regulated fairs um", "start": 17860.2, "end": 17867.04}, {"text": "and I think at least one of the new entrance uh reporting to come into the market um would use a ray card uh and a", "start": 17867.04, "end": 17875.92}, {"text": "minimum rate card will at least um make it harder for um companies with a lot of", "start": 17875.92, "end": 17881}, {"text": "Market power to undercut new entrance over gouge customers thank you Council fer yeah I", "start": 17881, "end": 17890.84}, {"text": "she asked the question any other questions for the deput okay if not that is for this", "start": 17890.84, "end": 17899.36}, {"text": "item uh on this item any questions to the", "start": 17899.36, "end": 17905.318}, {"text": "staff on this item councelor brao the the question of the 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{"text": "through the increasing of fees to the company companes or is it just a strategy for transportation in the city", "start": 18007.84, "end": 18015.52}, {"text": "yeah I I can't speak to their model or their user fee policy I'm very familiar with the city's user fee policy that it", "start": 18015.52, "end": 18022.08}, {"text": "has to and you can identify a user we can uh recover those", "start": 18022.08, "end": 18027.76}, {"text": "costs okay thanks coun", "start": 18027.76, "end": 18034.32}, {"text": "car yeah I the depants actually generated another question for me", "start": 18034.32, "end": 18040.2}, {"text": "because um there's there's a lot of talk about we we just barely it seems like we", "start": 18040.2, "end": 18045.84}, {"text": "were just barely getting to the point where there was going to be the amount of sharing of information that we wanted", "start": 18045.84, "end": 18051.84}, {"text": "so you can do this type of analysis but there there are still pieces 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"challenging councilor", "start": 18188.44, "end": 18194.92}, {"text": "Myers thank you mayor uh just one quick question was there any breakdown between", "start": 18194.92, "end": 18200.4}, {"text": "how much drivers that were specifically driving accessible Vehicles made versus", "start": 18200.4, "end": 18205.638}, {"text": "uh regular", "start": 18205.638, "end": 18208.16}, {"text": "drivers uh that was not part of the wage report", "start": 18214.558, "end": 18220.32}, {"text": "okay got the answer thank you um any other questions to speak on this item", "start": 18224.4, "end": 18233.4}, {"text": "I'll yeah uh I have a motion I have two motions in front of", "start": 18233.4, "end": 18238.84}, {"text": "you um just trying to imagine uh the the first one is asking", "start": 18238.84, "end": 18246.32}, {"text": "the city manager to initiate Communications and governmental", "start": 18246.32, "end": 18251.52}, {"text": "campaigns", "start": 18251.52, "end": 18254.52}, {"text": "pardon oh it is a bit small I can't see it either", "start": 18261.04, "end": 18268.638}, {"text": "um I will read it out can we not make this a bit bigger", "start": 18268.638, "end": 18275.558}, {"text": "they're working on it okay at the meantime let me try to I will won't be able to read it but it said that city", "start": 18275.558, "end": 18282.52}, {"text": "council request the city manager to initiate a Communications and intergovernmental campaign focusing on", "start": 18282.52, "end": 18289.32}, {"text": "raising the floor for Gig workers including vehicle for hired drivers ensuring they are able to make a living", "start": 18289.32, "end": 18297.32}, {"text": "wage we do not license uh sorry we we do not have any", "start": 18297.32, "end": 18305}, {"text": "control over minimum wage uh employment standard is", "start": 18305, "end": 18310.958}, {"text": "provincial mandate so we really can't do a whole", "start": 18310.958, "end": 18316.28}, {"text": "lot to mandate um the drivers earn bare minimum", "start": 18316.28, "end": 18323.4}, {"text": "a minimum wage The Province can the province can through the bill that is", "start": 18323.4, "end": 18330}, {"text": "already they passed but it is coming into effect in July it said that it should be minimum", "start": 18330, "end": 18338.68}, {"text": "wage okay except that bill is fatally flaw because it includes the weight", "start": 18338.68, "end": 18345.958}, {"text": "times if you've seen the other reported said that they on average if it's", "start": 18345.958, "end": 18351.958}, {"text": "downtown a third of the time the car is empty so they're waiting", "start": 18351.958, "end": 18359.28}, {"text": "a third of the time they only get paid twoth thirds of the time and then after", "start": 18359.28, "end": 18365.4}, {"text": "you reduce deduct the the expenses you only get $6 an hour which I cannot", "start": 18365.4, "end": 18373.24}, {"text": "imagine anyone in this city being able to make to to 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thing to actually amend the bill that they have passed to include", "start": 18423.638, "end": 18430.16}, {"text": "not just uh engage time it it should include", "start": 18430.16, "end": 18436.12}, {"text": "the time that they are waiting so think so it's a net earning", "start": 18436.12, "end": 18444.718}, {"text": "not the grow right amount because it it doesn't work so that's the first recommendation the second recommendation", "start": 18444.718, "end": 18452.04}, {"text": "really is um there's a confidential report in this item we're asking that", "start": 18452.04, "end": 18459.638}, {"text": "that um remain confidential in its entirety as it contains advice which is", "start": 18459.638, "end": 18465.6}, {"text": "subject to solicit client privilege okay that's a standard motion any okay", "start": 18465.6, "end": 18473}, {"text": "councelor perks to speak uh thank you uh mayor CH and thank you for your motion", "start": 18473, "end": 18479.2}, {"text": "and also the letter that I understood you wrote To The Province earlier", "start": 18479.2, "end": 18484.24}, {"text": "I this you know as you said this isn't an area where we have regulatory", "start": 18484.24, "end": 18489.48}, {"text": "Authority but it certainly is an area that is going to be one of the things that determines the quality of life and", "start": 18489.48, "end": 18497}, {"text": "the level of economic fairness in the city of Toronto for years and possibly generations to come you know the people", "start": 18497, "end": 18505.48}, {"text": "talk about this as gig work like when I was younger a gig was something fun uh", "start": 18505.48, "end": 18511.878}, {"text": "this is clearly not something fun it's not something exciting but also the term", "start": 18511.878, "end": 18517.2}, {"text": "gig work M masks the fact that there's actually nothing new being done here", "start": 18517.2, "end": 18523.798}, {"text": "this is a form of exploitation of workers that is as old as the 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"work and housing we really need to Grapple with this if we're going to have", "start": 18722.76, "end": 18728.04}, {"text": "Fair outcomes for people and I think that um an hour's worth of work has to", "start": 18728.04, "end": 18735.32}, {"text": "be there has to be a floor to that we lose our sense of civilization and", "start": 18735.32, "end": 18741.08}, {"text": "Humanity when we can't guarantee that um and I think it's really important that this made is made transparent um because", "start": 18741.08, "end": 18749.4}, {"text": "I think that what writers need to know as well there is a relationship here between the Rider and the driver and I", "start": 18749.4, "end": 18756.718}, {"text": "think that um the best way to to uh find a place to fairness is to put daylight", "start": 18756.718, "end": 18762.76}, {"text": "on situations and I regret that to tell people and that you know this is a", "start": 18762.76, "end": 18768.36}, {"text": "provincial area of responsibility when it comes to compensation but we do have a role to play here in the work that our", "start": 18768.36, "end": 18775.2}, {"text": "public service has done to bring forth this report with important information um and secondly to raise our voices to", "start": 18775.2, "end": 18782.76}, {"text": "say that it's int intolerable and it's a threat to our um economic well-being our", "start": 18782.76, "end": 18788.36}, {"text": "social cohes and the outcomes of all the people that are dependent on that $6 an hour wage um", "start": 18788.36, "end": 18795.52}, {"text": "even if it's three 3 hours a day there still has to be a floor um and and it's", "start": 18795.52, "end": 18800.68}, {"text": "a threat to society when we can't guarantee some of the things that are uh available to workers in law elsewhere so", "start": 18800.68, "end": 18807.52}, {"text": "I thank you for that uh motion and I think it's it's really important that we", "start": 18807.52, "end": 18813.2}, {"text": "proceed thank 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vehicle for hired by law and", "start": 19130.958, "end": 19138.04}, {"text": "Industry we have quite a lot of speaker uh starting with sjit Mangal again", "start": 19138.04, "end": 19145}, {"text": "Mangal sjit are you still here you're back back here", "start": 19145, "end": 19150.84}, {"text": "okay 3 minutes good afternoon", "start": 19150.84, "end": 19155.92}, {"text": "again we are ready for you Madame chair if you before you hit the the the clock", "start": 19155.92, "end": 19161.92}, {"text": "I have a few words to say about the previous item I'm just I'm impressed from the emotion from this committee", "start": 19161.92, "end": 19167.48}, {"text": "about this uh Uber issue and the driver wages I'm really thankful to the committee and I think I know there are", "start": 19167.48, "end": 19174.4}, {"text": "some there are some uh restriction that you can make a", "start": 19174.4, "end": 19179.6}, {"text": "about this uh employment issue is not in your private in it's a provincial matter", "start": 19179.6, "end": 19185.12}, {"text": "but what barely this committee or this Council can do is to look at the number", "start": 19185.12, "end": 19190.4}, {"text": "of the Uber PTC drivers if if you if you ask a staff to make a comparative study", "start": 19190.4, "end": 19197.48}, {"text": "between the population and between population and the number of Uber drivers I think you can look after", "start": 19197.48, "end": 19204.32}, {"text": "indirectly this issue of driver wages and also the the Uber issue in the city", "start": 19204.32, "end": 19209.718}, {"text": "that will that may help okay please start thank you so much uh Madame", "start": 19209.718, "end": 19217.84}, {"text": "chair this is the the report since this is the first report since 2016 when City regulated vehicle for", "start": 19218.28, "end": 19225.92}, {"text": "hire bylaw this report was long waited by the industry in 2016 city council", "start": 19225.92, "end": 19231.6}, {"text": "directed the executive director to bring forward few reports within 24 months", "start": 19231.6, "end": 19236.68}, {"text": "taxi industry was waiting for those reports directed by the city council in 2016 in 2016 Council passed following", "start": 19236.68, "end": 19245.24}, {"text": "recommendation number one city council directed the executive director Municipal licensing and standard to", "start": 19245.24, "end": 19251.16}, {"text": "procure a consultant to undertake a supply and demand demand study that assesses and measures the impact of the", "start": 19251.16, "end": 19258.718}, {"text": "volume of PTC vehicles and Driver as it relates to full-time working the", "start": 19258.718, "end": 19264.4}, {"text": "existing taxi cab uh labor market before and on regular basis after", "start": 19264.4, "end": 19270.84}, {"text": "implementation in one year and every two year thereafter number two city council", "start": 19270.84, "end": 19277.48}, {"text": "directed the municipal licensing and standard uh to report on the feasibility of the following the feasibility of", "start": 19277.48, "end": 19285.04}, {"text": "lowering the fee of standard plate owners renewals by 75% number two the feasibility of", "start": 19285.04, "end": 19292.6}, {"text": "establishing a transition fund for taxi cap plate owners who investment have been negatively imp", "start": 19292.6, "end": 19299.48}, {"text": "impacted by the new market entrance Madame chair we were waiting", "start": 19299.48, "end": 19306.558}, {"text": "for the reports mentioned above but unfortunately not even a single word on those reports the uh to cap the PTC", "start": 19306.558, "end": 19314.558}, {"text": "drivers when they already have reached to 8,429 will not have any significant", "start": 19314.558, "end": 19321.48}, {"text": "impact though Madame chair your intent is highly commendable and admirable in", "start": 19321.48, "end": 19328.68}, {"text": "tono one PTC driver is available for 39 citizens whereas in New York City the", "start": 19328.68, "end": 19334.638}, {"text": "population is six time more than the number of drivers and the number but the number of driver is same in New York", "start": 19334.638, "end": 19341.68}, {"text": "City dri uh one driver is available for 238 citizens city of tono spent a haly", "start": 19341.68, "end": 19349.12}, {"text": "amount of money on to conduct a third party study by James Cooper the staff", "start": 19349.12, "end": 19354.718}, {"text": "should bring their report in front of this committee to determine the right number of PTC drivers needed in in city", "start": 19354.718, "end": 19360.44}, {"text": "of tono to collect data from Taxi industry staff is recommending digital taxi meters instead of putting an extra", "start": 19360.44, "end": 19367.48}, {"text": "burden on the taxi industry to buy a new meters the staff should explore to find software which can work with the", "start": 19367.48, "end": 19373.52}, {"text": "existing taxi meters Madame chair the last is it's needed your immediate", "start": 19373.52, "end": 19379.4}, {"text": "attention your and this committee attention there are 1472 vehicles are", "start": 19379.4, "end": 19384.558}, {"text": "due to replaced and those vehicles are between 20 13 and", "start": 19384.558, "end": 19389.638}, {"text": "17 by March 31st 2025 since everyone cannot will not be", "start": 19389.638, "end": 19395.68}, {"text": "able to make a replacement so there will be a huge shortfall of taxes in next few", "start": 19395.68, "end": 19400.84}, {"text": "months I request this committee to give one and 2 years extension to vehicle", "start": 19400.84, "end": 19406.48}, {"text": "2016 and 2017 respectively thank you very much okay thank you um can you", "start": 19406.48, "end": 19413.558}, {"text": "leave your I I have it uh on screen your your Rec recommendations if you're", "start": 19413.558, "end": 19420.04}, {"text": "reading it from something would you like to just leave it behind so we could use it as reference the last your notes your", "start": 19420.04, "end": 19429}, {"text": "recommendations oh we have it in front of us the last one which needs your immediate attention because about 1500", "start": 19429, "end": 19436.04}, {"text": "vehicles are are about to replace in next few months those vehicles are", "start": 19436.04, "end": 19441.92}, {"text": "expiring their lives oh I I gave it to them please do I", "start": 19441.92, "end": 19447.48}, {"text": "did yes I I gave you both of them okay you have them y thank you I", "start": 19447.48, "end": 19454.24}, {"text": "received the uh also yeah we'll we'll get a copy of it", "start": 19454.24, "end": 19459.6}, {"text": "thank you thank you can you grab it for me uh next", "start": 19459.6, "end": 19465.6}, {"text": "speaker any questions to the deputat if not next speaker Vincent parara I think", "start": 19465.6, "end": 19472.638}, {"text": "I believe you're online yes I am 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University", "start": 19710.84, "end": 19718.6}, {"text": "of", "start": 19718.6, "end": 19720.92}, {"text": "Toronto good afternoon my name is Angelica buha and I'm a master of information student at the University of", "start": 19726.16, "end": 19731.958}, {"text": "Toronto my research focuses on digital labor platforms and policy and my thesis", "start": 19731.958, "end": 19737.16}, {"text": "is on the city of Toronto's approach to electrifying private transportation company vehicles I want to congratulate", "start": 19737.16, "end": 19743.4}, {"text": "the committee for taking decisive action to limit the significant over supply of ptcs", "start": 19743.4, "end": 19748.6}, {"text": "uh in the city however the loophole for zero emissions Vehicles obviates the cap on licensing and the recommendations", "start": 19748.6, "end": 19754.558}, {"text": "proposed fail to meet the objectives of mitigating congestion decreasing emissions and protecting TTC ridership", "start": 19754.558, "end": 19761.44}, {"text": "furthermore the recommendations failed to account for driver Equity concerns allowing unlimited licenses for zero", "start": 19761.44, "end": 19767.52}, {"text": "emissions Vehicles will absolutely contribute to increased congestion in the city especially in the downtown core", "start": 19767.52, "end": 19773.52}, {"text": "where ptcs amount to 14.2% of vehicle kilometers traveled this lack of cap in", "start": 19773.52, "end": 19779.32}, {"text": "conjunction with the net0 2030 plan where all vehicle for higher trips will be delivered by zero emissions Vehicles", "start": 19779.32, "end": 19785.76}, {"text": "by 2031 means that in less than 7 years there will once again be a completely unlimited number of ptcs on the", "start": 19785.76, "end": 19792.718}, {"text": "road despite zero emissions Vehicles being a cleaner alternative to traditional gas cars they still", "start": 19792.718, "end": 19798.24}, {"text": "contribute to congestion by helping to gridlock emissions producing vehicles and increasing the amount of time they", "start": 19798.24, "end": 19803.32}, {"text": "spend on the streets this ultimately contributes to the overall emissions of greenhouse gases the goal should be to", "start": 19803.32, "end": 19809.12}, {"text": "reduce the number of vehicles on the road overall not to replace them with zero emissions Vehicles additionally", "start": 19809.12, "end": 19815.16}, {"text": "staff finding show that private transportation company Vehicles appropriate 79,000 to 118,000 trips from", "start": 19815.16, "end": 19821.718}, {"text": "public transit every day these are trips that would generate revenue for the TTC reduce congestion in the city and would", "start": 19821.718, "end": 19827.48}, {"text": "have significantly less negative environmental impact than taking a private vehicle importantly we must", "start": 19827.48, "end": 19834.04}, {"text": "consider driver Equity when regulating private transportation companies PT PC drivers are gig workers and often", "start": 19834.04, "end": 19839.878}, {"text": "precarious employment relationships with digital platforms drivers lack workplace protections and benefits and are", "start": 19839.878, "end": 19845.638}, {"text": "responsible for their own costs the report commissioned by MLS to analyze driver earnings found that drivers were", "start": 19845.638, "end": 19851.36}, {"text": "making a median of 5.97 an hour as more drivers are licensed existing drivers", "start": 19851.36, "end": 19857.36}, {"text": "will complete less trips spend more time driving empty and continue to see their wages drop I ask that committee remove", "start": 19857.36, "end": 19864.16}, {"text": "the loophole for zero emissions vehicles and make them subject to the same cap as other PTC vehicles in the city in order", "start": 19864.16, "end": 19871}, {"text": "to promote emissions reduction as PTC driers licenses are cancelled new licenses should be issued with priority", "start": 19871, "end": 19877.558}, {"text": "given to drivers of zero emissions Vehicles as the cost of a zero emissions or electric vehicle is significantly", "start": 19877.558, "end": 19884.48}, {"text": "higher than the cost of a gas powerered vehicle I ask that the committee consider options for subsidizing the", "start": 19884.48, "end": 19890.2}, {"text": "cost of zero emissions vehicles for drivers to encourage the healthy integration of ptcs with the TTC I also", "start": 19890.2, "end": 19896.798}, {"text": "ask that committee assess holes in TTC coverage to find ways to make the TTC the better option for Riders so that", "start": 19896.798, "end": 19902.84}, {"text": "ptcs can continue to connect riders with the TTC while the proposed po policy", "start": 19902.84, "end": 19908.76}, {"text": "changes take positive steps towards limiting the over supply of drivers they fail to meet the stated objectives and", "start": 19908.76, "end": 19914.36}, {"text": "there is still a ways to go to ensure that workers are treated fairly thank", "start": 19914.36, "end": 19919.84}, {"text": "you thank you any questions uh of the deput thank you for your", "start": 19919.84, "end": 19926.718}, {"text": "research uh uh Christine hubt of Back", "start": 19926.718, "end": 19933.84}, {"text": "Taxi thank you for allowing me the chance to speak today 10 years ago prior to this city allowing Uber to take over", "start": 19943.76, "end": 19950.24}, {"text": "its For Hire vehicle industry a different report commissioned by this city was before us a report that 5,000", "start": 19950.24, "end": 19958.08}, {"text": "four higher Vehicles plus an increased number of wheelchair accessible Vehicles would serve this city equitably for 5 to", "start": 19958.08, "end": 19965.12}, {"text": "10 minute service without increasing traffic and congestion because there was", "start": 19965.12, "end": 19970.24}, {"text": "a 5,000 standard vehicle limit these workers were able to buy 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{"text": "that lies about the benefits of their existence one that builds software to evade regulation and enforcement and now", "start": 20015.84, "end": 20022.16}, {"text": "has introduced a surveillance-based pay system the only one benefiting from this", "start": 20022.16, "end": 20027.28}, {"text": "report is Uber being handed the Reigns again what we see here is a continued", "start": 20027.28, "end": 20033.24}, {"text": "stifling of Taxi operations that due to the higher operating costs have been cut in half taxis are insured 24 hours a day", "start": 20033.24, "end": 20040.878}, {"text": "Uber cars aren't which which makes everyone less protected this report recommends no new taxis unless they are", "start": 20040.878, "end": 20048.44}, {"text": "wheelchair accessible and they count toward the maximum number of 5500 as compared to more than 880,000 with no", "start": 20048.44, "end": 20056.28}, {"text": "opportunity for standard taxis in favor of the exponential growth of Uber cars", "start": 20056.28, "end": 20062}, {"text": "this report does nothing to increase public transit use and by its own numbers right now 40 to 60% of PTC PTC", "start": 20062, "end": 20069.48}, {"text": "trips would have been TTC trips increased public transit use is a key focus of transform Toronto's Net Zero", "start": 20069.48, "end": 20076.718}, {"text": "strategy the 40 to 60% counts for up to 118,000 trips a day in private cars", "start": 20076.718, "end": 20084}, {"text": "rather than on Transit cars that drive around empty 50% of the time this", "start": 20084, "end": 20089.24}, {"text": "so-called cap is like inviting the entire population of New Market to get in their cars and come into the city of", "start": 20089.24, "end": 20095.24}, {"text": "Toronto precovered there were hundreds more wheelchair accessible Vehicles available for armed demand Services", "start": 20095.24, "end": 20100.798}, {"text": "those Vehicles disappeared because they were falling apart and it wasn't worth it to replace them this report points to", "start": 20100.798, "end": 20106.04}, {"text": "the high cost of purchase but it's only too high if the business is not sustainable with 80,000 people fighting", "start": 20106.04, "end": 20113.12}, {"text": "for fairs investment happens when there's a return the grant is", "start": 20113.12, "end": 20119.4}, {"text": "meaningless here EVS are approved for the grant program but not plugin hybrids", "start": 20119.4, "end": 20124.48}, {"text": "even though both vehicles qualify for the 2030 zero emission emissions rules taxi drivers are already buying plug-in", "start": 20124.48, "end": 20130.878}, {"text": "hybrids and should benefit from that Grant may I ask you to summarize in", "start": 20130.878, "end": 20136}, {"text": "summary driving for Uber is not an opportunity a cap could risk increased waiting times right out of the Uber", "start": 20136, "end": 20142.28}, {"text": "Playbook and the $15 million the city collected does nothing to touch yesterday's report that announced $45", "start": 20142.28, "end": 20150.12}, {"text": "billion in costs that this city and the GTA faces as a result of traffic and congestion thank thank you for that any", "start": 20150.12, "end": 20159.12}, {"text": "question to the", "start": 20159.12, "end": 20163.958}, {"text": "deput no okay thank you so much the next", "start": 20165.638, "end": 20173.122}, {"text": "speaker uh shajid Dylan General Manager", "start": 20177.718, "end": 20182.92}, {"text": "of Toronto Taxi Toronto one taxi and then and then gleny Beaker at", "start": 20182.92, "end": 20193.04}, {"text": "Co-op okay we'll we'll come to you in a minute Mr Dylan first good afternoon", "start": 20193.04, "end": 20198.12}, {"text": "mayor and members of the council uh my name is Gab Dyan I'm the manager of uh scarber city cab and Toronto on taxi or", "start": 20198.12, "end": 20205.558}, {"text": "family business that's been in service since 1994 providing taxi and uh wheel", "start": 20205.558, "end": 20211.12}, {"text": "Trans Service um I just wanted to quickly if you to go through the report", "start": 20211.12, "end": 20216.718}, {"text": "for Action go through the points and just kind of give our input on each", "start": 20216.718, "end": 20222.32}, {"text": "recommendation uh the first recommendation implementing a cap and private transportation company drivers", "start": 20222.32, "end": 20228.6}, {"text": "with an exception with zero emission and wheelchair accessible vehicles", "start": 20228.6, "end": 20234}, {"text": "um I think it's already been stated that Uber is considered a bad corporate partner um you know their eth unethical", "start": 20234, "end": 20242.36}, {"text": "business practices have led to 80,000 Vehicles jamming City of Toronto uh but", "start": 20242.36, "end": 20249.638}, {"text": "I would suggest that we leave that number up to you if the drivers are making $6 an hour it's going to hurt", "start": 20249.638, "end": 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$5,000 as a grant to assist uh PTC", "start": 20351.32, "end": 20361.84}, {"text": "vehicles uh to get accessible Vehicles the only issue that the city needs to", "start": 20361.84, "end": 20366.958}, {"text": "consider is that's not a practical idea uh the wheelchair accessible vans have a", "start": 20366.958, "end": 20372.718}, {"text": "ramp that's in the middle uh it would have to be deployed every time uh regular Uber Drive customers use that", "start": 20372.718, "end": 20379.798}, {"text": "service so in conclusion I feel this report has not been thought through and", "start": 20379.798, "end": 20385.28}, {"text": "the should City should be very considerate before taking any actions on this report thank you for your time", "start": 20385.28, "end": 20391.638}, {"text": "thank you thank you any questions to the deput okay thank", "start": 20391.638, "end": 20397.84}, {"text": "you um Glendy Beaker how are you very good", "start": 20397.84, "end": 20404.68}, {"text": "Madame mayor thank you and Madame mayor uh members of the", "start": 20404.68, "end": 20410.08}, {"text": "committee thank you uh very much for uh taking the time to listen to all of us who are trying to help you make this uh", "start": 20410.08, "end": 20417.76}, {"text": "industry sustainable and Equitable at the same time and as a former TTC member", "start": 20417.76, "end": 20424.28}, {"text": "of some 13 years and a member of the licensing Committee of eight years I certainly uh heard about taxis taxis", "start": 20424.28, "end": 20430.44}, {"text": "taxis over my tenure at City Hall I'm here today on behalf of Co-Op Cabs um", "start": 20430.44, "end": 20436.12}, {"text": "like our name implies we are a Cooperative we are representing 9900 people 900 families who are members of", "start": 20436.12, "end": 20442.6}, {"text": "our cooperative and just like a housing Co-op or a credit union we exist solely", "start": 20442.6, "end": 20447.798}, {"text": "to help those people make a decent living our money doesn't go off to Wall Street down in the US or the Saudi", "start": 20447.798, "end": 20453.84}, {"text": "Arabian hedge fund managers um are if if we make a profit we're there solely for", "start": 20453.84, "end": 20459.32}, {"text": "the drivers that we represent here today um I'd like to say as well um we agree", "start": 20459.32, "end": 20466.16}, {"text": "with the cap but the cap that the staff have given you of 82,000 is just wrong", "start": 20466.16, "end": 20471.52}, {"text": "the rationale in the report is well that's what it is today councel Cole moved a motion about a year ago it was", "start": 20471.52, "end": 20477.12}, {"text": "52,000 that's right so I suppose if they had written the staff report a year ago the cap would have been 52,000 but they", "start": 20477.12, "end": 20483.28}, {"text": "wrote the report now they said as of December 1st it's 82,000 that's not a real rationale what is a real rationale", "start": 20483.28, "end": 20490.92}, {"text": "is the city of Toronto commissioned report from 2014 that identified that", "start": 20490.92, "end": 20496.558}, {"text": "5,000 cabs taxis vehicles uh were sufficient to meet all the needs of the city of", "start": 20496.558, "end": 20503.04}, {"text": "Toronto in a sustainable way we support that number the city has grown since then 10 years ago by 11% number of", "start": 20503.04, "end": 20509.4}, {"text": "vehicles on the road in this industry have grown by 400% so we believe the number should be", "start": 20509.4, "end": 20515.718}, {"text": "16,650 based on the report that you commissioned uh about a decade ago uh there should be no exemptions for E EVS", "start": 20515.718, "end": 20523.12}, {"text": "EV that's a poison pillar a loophole from my perspective because I support EVS but what you want to do is you want", "start": 20523.12, "end": 20529.08}, {"text": "to have a cap and within that cap within that family EVS if you come in with the", "start": 20529.08, 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{"text": "staff report public protection of the public from predatory pricing has always", "start": 20625.558, "end": 20631.16}, {"text": "been a core value a foundational element of your regulations and for the last 50", "start": 20631.16, "end": 20638.16}, {"text": "years every human being who has got into a taxi cab has been protected by the", "start": 20638.16, "end": 20643.44}, {"text": "city of Toronto because you regulated the fairs our 900 drivers we can't", "start": 20643.44, "end": 20649.08}, {"text": "charge you more because we don't because we think you're a tourist to the city whether it's raining snowing windy cold", "start": 20649.08, "end": 20657.4}, {"text": "or on a Taylor Swift concert night we can't charge you anymore we can't surge price surge price surge pricing is", "start": 20657.4, "end": 20664.68}, {"text": "predatory pricing and it rips people off and it's unfair and it attacks the most", "start": 20664.68, "end": 20670.638}, {"text": "vulnerable if you're a 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"license transition first come first serve all of those", "start": 20844.44, "end": 20850.6}, {"text": "recommendations yes we believe that there's some discussion in in in terms of the existing taxi plates that are out", "start": 20850.6, "end": 20857.2}, {"text": "there that people own so many of them now are on the Shelf because you just can't make any money to operate them and", "start": 20857.2, "end": 20863.718}, {"text": "again I I have some history as a former counselor the city of Toronto for the last 50 years created the market for", "start": 20863.718, "end": 20870.478}, {"text": "those plates the city of Toronto allowed those to be bought and sold on the open market they allowed and I think it was a", "start": 20870.478, "end": 20877.32}, {"text": "mistake they allowed one individual like me to buy 10 plates 20 plates 30 plates that's where the exploitation happened I", "start": 20877.32, "end": 20884}, {"text": "in my my opinion you have one person owning 30 plates and all 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thanks", "start": 21007.718, "end": 21017.04}, {"text": "uh mayor cha thanks for the committee for the opportunity to speak to you this", "start": 21017.04, "end": 21022.36}, {"text": "afternoon uh this uh so-called artificial cap with oury Statistics", "start": 21022.36, "end": 21028}, {"text": "behind it a lot of people spoke about that but I want to focus and speak about", "start": 21028, "end": 21034.52}, {"text": "the the accessible taxi demand and we all know that the accessible taxi on demand die because of the over supply", "start": 21034.52, "end": 21042.24}, {"text": "of vehicle for higher uh this accessible recommendation sets up the drivers for failure and Bank", "start": 21042.24, "end": 21048.958}, {"text": "bankruptcies and it will lead to waste unless the root cause of the problem is addressed uh which is basically over", "start": 21048.958, "end": 21056.12}, {"text": "Supply vehicles and that is the elephant uh in the room uh knowing the drivers uh", "start": 21056.12, 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{"text": "r are you here you're not here okay Charles kov of kov energy", "start": 21291.84, "end": 21300.76}, {"text": "Associates are you here are you online yes he's online I am and I'm I'm in New", "start": 21300.76, "end": 21308.878}, {"text": "York City how are you uh we could hear you so I should", "start": 21308.878, "end": 21314.44}, {"text": "proceed y please um I almost uh I can", "start": 21314.44, "end": 21320.68}, {"text": "say or I don't need to say very much because uh several previous speakers um", "start": 21320.68, "end": 21327.638}, {"text": "have um said most of what I have to say which is that um adding Electric", "start": 21327.638, "end": 21337.16}, {"text": "um ride hail Vehicles though well-meaning um will be a", "start": 21337.16, "end": 21344.638}, {"text": "disastrously um expensive policy um if though if these new", "start": 21344.638, "end": 21351.878}, {"text": "electric ride hail vehicles are in addition to rather than substitutes for", "start": 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hill vehicle of approximately", "start": 21410.638, "end": 21418.36}, {"text": "$60,000 per year um now I cautioned that my uh", "start": 21418.36, "end": 21424.958}, {"text": "quantification should not um automatically be extrapolated to Toronto or any other City one would have to do", "start": 21424.958, "end": 21432.92}, {"text": "uh an analysis that would take into account existing levels of traffic congestion um and a vehicle use in", "start": 21432.92, "end": 21439.04}, {"text": "Toronto which would not be identical to those in New York um but my finding of a", "start": 21439.04, "end": 21446.36}, {"text": "$60,000 per additional vehicle cost um", "start": 21446.36, "end": 21452}, {"text": "was um sobering and I offered that as a cautionary to the city of Toronto uh I think that's", "start": 21452, "end": 21459.36}, {"text": "all I need to say I have a question for you um", "start": 21459.36, "end": 21464.76}, {"text": "recommendation 29 said that the companies Uber who last year 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with the pride for their", "start": 22275.12, "end": 22280.6}, {"text": "families their city and their country if you are uncertain start with the pilot", "start": 22280.6, "end": 22285.718}, {"text": "project for 6 months or a year see the results and adjust if", "start": 22285.718, "end": 22291}, {"text": "needed exactly the same way like have you done with the bikel pilot project on", "start": 22291, "end": 22296.958}, {"text": "the blur Street and when it was successful you extended it why we always speculating about numbers you have all", "start": 22296.958, "end": 22303.958}, {"text": "the tools to do it as a pilot and keep going from there don't let these companies mislead you and fool you", "start": 22303.958, "end": 22310.958}, {"text": "listen to the people who elected you you have the power to make a difference this", "start": 22310.958, "end": 22316.4}, {"text": "the decision is in your hands that's it okay thank you so", "start": 22316.4, "end": 22322.44}, {"text": "much any questions to the", "start": 22322.44, "end": 22327.476}, {"text": "depent driving through time that's um hard work um next", "start": 22330, "end": 22337.878}, {"text": "speaker uh penov", "start": 22337.878, "end": 22343.44}, {"text": "here am I pronouncing you here are you", "start": 22343.44, "end": 22350.24}, {"text": "here Penh here", "start": 22350.36, "end": 22356.558}, {"text": "uh okay Steve Sullivan mother Against Drunk", "start": 22357.6, "end": 22364.32}, {"text": "Driving Canada online oh you're online", "start": 22364.32, "end": 22370.878}, {"text": "okay can you hear yeah we can hear you go ahead great my name is Steve Sullivan and I am the CEO of mad Canada I want to", "start": 22375.12, "end": 22382.2}, {"text": "thank you for the opportunity to talk to you today about your consideration of a cap on the number of ride share licenses", "start": 22382.2, "end": 22388.958}, {"text": "mad Canada's mission is to stop impair driving and support victims and survivors of this violent crime I'm here", "start": 22388.958, "end": 22395.04}, {"text": "today to bring a different perspective to the committee about the role that ride sharing can play in the battle", "start": 22395.04, "end": 22400.878}, {"text": "against impaired driving and to express our concern about the potential impact this could have with respect to Public", "start": 22400.878, "end": 22407.16}, {"text": "Safety the staff report noted in particular vehicle for higher Services", "start": 22407.16, "end": 22412.6}, {"text": "play a key role in enabling residents to avoid impair driving and that will be what I speak to", "start": 22412.6, "end": 22418.878}, {"text": "today I want to First say that mad Canada has a 100 or so chapters across the country including here in the GTA in", "start": 22418.878, "end": 22424.92}, {"text": "Toronto and thousands of volunteers who take time away from their families to help raise awareness and make their", "start": 22424.92, "end": 22430.08}, {"text": "Community safer many of whom have lost loved ones or been injured in impaired driving related crashes themselves we're", "start": 22430.08, "end": 22437.4}, {"text": "celebrating our 37th annual project Red Ribbon campaign and our volunteers are active with community events and", "start": 22437.4, "end": 22443.24}, {"text": "sobriety checks with local local police services and I would ask that if you see our volunteers that please to thank them", "start": 22443.24, "end": 22448.76}, {"text": "for the work that they do we recognize there is no one single solution to impair driving we focus on", "start": 22448.76, "end": 22455.12}, {"text": "education public awareness high-profile and proactive law enforcement effective", "start": 22455.12, "end": 22460.2}, {"text": "laws and policies and ensuring people have safe and reliable options to get home I do want to say that mad Canada", "start": 22460.2, "end": 22466.92}, {"text": "has been a proud partner of uber Canada for almost a decade and we're pleased to continue that partnership We Believe", "start": 22466.92, "end": 22472.76}, {"text": "ride sharing services are a crucial transportation option to help prevent impaired driving they provide a safe", "start": 22472.76, "end": 22478.52}, {"text": "convenient and accessible Transportation often when needed most like the holidays and New Year's Eve which may be the", "start": 22478.52, "end": 22485.04}, {"text": "busiest time of the year we want people to have access to a variety of options for a safe R whatever they choose to get", "start": 22485.04, "end": 22492.12}, {"text": "home safely we want to make sure when they make those choices to get a safe ride home those options are reliable and", "start": 22492.12, "end": 22498}, {"text": "safe the additional Transportation options are especially important at peak times when taxis may be very busy in", "start": 22498, "end": 22504.52}, {"text": "public Transportation may be limited or stopped such as when bars and 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within our city boundaries all the while destroying the Legacy taxi", "start": 23383.24, "end": 23389.28}, {"text": "industry it is very important to understand that without the aid and corporate Partnership of the city of", "start": 23389.28, "end": 23395.68}, {"text": "Toronto this would not have been possible therefore it is incumbent on", "start": 23395.68, "end": 23401.92}, {"text": "this committee to look through the recommend ations provided within the city manager's report including the wage", "start": 23401.92, "end": 23408.16}, {"text": "study and help pave a way forward that's found to be Equitable for all", "start": 23408.16, "end": 23414.08}, {"text": "stakeholders thank you for your time I have a few", "start": 23414.08, "end": 23420.558}, {"text": "questions so the three pillars I'm hearing the wage piece yes", "start": 23420.558, "end": 23426.36}, {"text": "the city of Toronto of course is not provincial government we can't we we", "start": 23426.36, "end": 23433.44}, 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"ride experience for the Riders hover also recommends commends adopting a one driver one license policy", "start": 23819.6, "end": 23827.398}, {"text": "currently we are the only licensed industry where an independent contractor is required to have multiple licens to", "start": 23827.398, "end": 23834.36}, {"text": "work for multiple companies multiple platforms creating unnecessary costs the", "start": 23834.36, "end": 23839.6}, {"text": "drivers and layers of bureaucracy a single license would simply be", "start": 23839.6, "end": 23845}, {"text": "administered and save drivers hundreds of dollars a year and as mentioned there", "start": 23845, "end": 23850.04}, {"text": "are three companies in the space there could be more to come so the same types of licensing requirements are for each", "start": 23850.04, "end": 23857.12}, {"text": "individual platform lots of redundancy hundreds of dollars on the driver's back", "start": 23857.12, "end": 23862.16}, {"text": "and would Foster a 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lower wages that are seen by these drivers okay got it thank you any other", "start": 24042.28, "end": 24050.24}, {"text": "questions no anybody else anyone else no no um okay thank you so much next", "start": 24050.24, "end": 24059.878}, {"text": "speaker uh Aram freed", "start": 24059.878, "end": 24064.478}, {"text": "uh my name Isam fre and I've been accessible driver for 25 years I was the", "start": 24070.52, "end": 24078.28}, {"text": "graduate from the very first badge I have no problem with all the", "start": 24078.28, "end": 24086.2}, {"text": "people getting right at the same time doesn't", "start": 24086.2, "end": 24092.478}, {"text": "matter if you are able so-called Able Body are disable but the uh", "start": 24092.478, "end": 24098.718}, {"text": "recommendation coming from the staff is throwing money into garbage they are", "start": 24098.718, "end": 24104.92}, {"text": "recommending $55,000 grant for accessible", "start": 24104.92, "end": 24111.04}, {"text": "Vehicles you can buy the vehicles you pay for the entire cost of the vehicles", "start": 24111.04, "end": 24117.04}, {"text": "you will not achieve your goals you already have a one of the best", "start": 24117.04, "end": 24124.32}, {"text": "accessible service provider in the city and that is wheel trans all this money", "start": 24124.32, "end": 24130.6}, {"text": "should go to wheel DRS and they have wonderful dispatch system they have come", "start": 24130.6, "end": 24137.478}, {"text": "long way from several days to one day you can book ride with them they have", "start": 24137.478, "end": 24144.28}, {"text": "ability and capacity and the driver who work with the wheel they are not subsidized by the way they never get a", "start": 24144.28, "end": 24151.68}, {"text": "single penny from cers and now if you give", "start": 24151.68, "end": 24157.32}, {"text": "$55,000 first of all I don't think you still be able to bring the drivers on", "start": 24157.32, "end": 24163.478}, {"text": "board because if you get the data from the staff they would tell you how many", "start": 24163.478, "end": 24170.32}, {"text": "accessible licenses are sitting on shelf the drivers are not replacing their", "start": 24170.32, "end": 24175.558}, {"text": "vehicles this 50,000 $5,000 recommendation actually come from", "start": 24175.558, "end": 24180.878}, {"text": "one of the manufacturer so so that because he hasn't been able to sell any", "start": 24180.878, "end": 24186.24}, {"text": "TTL for last 3 years and they are looking for this", "start": 24186.24, "end": 24191.68}, {"text": "funding come and probably they will be able to get some uh uh vehicles on the", "start": 24191.68, "end": 24200.478}, {"text": "road uh when City issu the", "start": 24200.478, "end": 24206.28}, {"text": "licenses accessible we were not allowed to pick up any cable body we were not", "start": 24206.28, "end": 24214.24}, {"text": "allowed to sit on the taxi stand that was exclusively for wheelchair", "start": 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"counselor sorry Deputy Mayor Cole uh good to hear your uh positive comments", "start": 24273.68, "end": 24279.12}, {"text": "with wheel trans U good to hear that uh did you say that uh city does not", "start": 24279.12, "end": 24285.478}, {"text": "subsidize wheel trans at all sorry oh no no if you work for wheel trans you don't", "start": 24285.478, "end": 24292.04}, {"text": "get any subsidy but who pays their salary no sir I own the", "start": 24292.04, "end": 24299.478}, {"text": "vehicle oh I see you're talking oh yeah you're talking about the wheel trans cabs yes Oh I thought you", "start": 24299.478, "end": 24306.24}, {"text": "meant the whole but if I no sir if I'm working under TTC wheel trans I don't", "start": 24306.24, "end": 24312.16}, {"text": "get any subsidy yeah these are the drivers who are working with the brokerage to provide service on", "start": 24312.16, "end": 24319}, {"text": "demand yeah they get that subsidy and that is also waste of money because there's 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"start": 24369.76, "end": 24378.68}, {"text": "sorry good afternoon mayor Chia and members of the executive committee my name is to viit I'm a member of right", "start": 24383.92, "end": 24390.24}, {"text": "Fair Toronto um we have been working looking at um establishing a fair", "start": 24390.24, "end": 24395.638}, {"text": "regulatory system for right share drivers in Toronto for a number of years and um I just want to leave you with one", "start": 24395.638, "end": 24402}, {"text": "observation and one recommendation um the observation is that in 2021 when", "start": 24402, "end": 24407.44}, {"text": "Council passed a number of motions um to direct staff to come up with a uh Fleet", "start": 24407.44, "end": 24413.6}, {"text": "optimization framework we were hoping that the research and the staff reports", "start": 24413.6, "end": 24419.76}, {"text": "that would be um put forward for today would actually a fleet optimization framework um we are very pleased with", "start": 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here to uh you know keep it at that level um so you know I just", "start": 24467.6, "end": 24472.92}, {"text": "want to leave it at that but the one recommendations I want to make I heard uh you know Glenn burer earlier say that", "start": 24472.92, "end": 24478.92}, {"text": "we should um close the EV loophole which I think is very important because we do not want to add additional Vehicles", "start": 24478.92, "end": 24486.36}, {"text": "additional cars to those you know 880,000 cars that are already uh uh that", "start": 24486.36, "end": 24492.08}, {"text": "we already looking at because we are dealing with limited geography uh and geometry in the city of Toronto and we", "start": 24492.08, "end": 24498.12}, {"text": "do not want to slow down traffic any further um you know the recommendations was to", "start": 24498.12, "end": 24504.04}, {"text": "prioritize um new uh to prioritize EVS um so that", "start": 24504.04, "end": 24510.68}, {"text": "um um you know we we green the fleet 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license that's that's all I wanted to um say so allow the existing drivers to", "start": 24553.2, "end": 24561.52}, {"text": "renew the license even if it's not EV but the new one's coming in until", "start": 24561.52, "end": 24567.32}, {"text": "2030 again okay thank you but you um you", "start": 24567.32, "end": 24572.958}, {"text": "said that cap is fine but uh 80,000 is too high oh yeah way too high I mean we", "start": 24572.958, "end": 24579.84}, {"text": "have seen the reports we have seen the results we know that things have gotten worse uh that we have slowed down", "start": 24579.84, "end": 24586.32}, {"text": "traffic um congestion is you know Uber cars and PTC cars contribute", "start": 24586.32, "end": 24592.52}, {"text": "significantly to to congestion in the downtown core um if we want to address", "start": 24592.52, "end": 24598}, {"text": "traffic in the city of Toronto meaningfully congestion emissions impact on trans it we have to reduce the number", "start": 24598, 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people will drive more so um I don't know I don't think", "start": 24649.44, "end": 24657.16}, {"text": "that's a cter argument like why would that be because people have to get from A to B so rather than call Uber they say", "start": 24657.16, "end": 24664.558}, {"text": "what the heck I'll drive no no no no we know the data has shown that um you know there the peak demand for drivers for", "start": 24664.558, "end": 24671.84}, {"text": "for for Uber trips was 212,000 and those could be accommodated with 26,300", "start": 24671.84, "end": 24678.16}, {"text": "drivers so if we lower the number of uh PTC licenses in Toronto from 80 to 40 to", "start": 24678.16, "end": 24685.08}, {"text": "26 we would still be able to meet Peak demand but in a much more efficient way right now the way the system works is", "start": 24685.08, "end": 24691.6}, {"text": "that Uber has designed their software so that they make a lot of money but also that", "start": 24691.6, "end": 24697.558}, {"text": 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afternoon everybody your worship just going to plug in here staff can advise me HDMI going", "start": 24746.24, "end": 24754.6}, {"text": "in if I can present", "start": 24754.6, "end": 24759.12}, {"text": "yeah okay thank you so much for having me it's a pleasure to be back uh I'm going", "start": 24759.798, "end": 24766.558}, {"text": "to jump right into it because there's lots to cover uh we're discussing a cap the question what does that really look like we've known for a long time that", "start": 24766.558, "end": 24773.398}, {"text": "ride hailing has had some very serious impacts on some important public policy goals most important to me because", "start": 24773.398, "end": 24780.08}, {"text": "Transit is uh my favorite topic uh Transit ridership adult ridership has been dropping since 2014 uh since Uber", "start": 24780.08, "end": 24787.638}, {"text": "started operating illegally in Toronto and we calculated at ride Fair years ago", "start": 24787.638, "end": 24793.68}, {"text": "the cost was about $74 million a year in 2021 Council directed staff to do some", "start": 24793.68, "end": 24799.36}, {"text": "analysis thank you worship for bringing that report back this year the the impact is 68 to $112 million annually", "start": 24799.36, "end": 24808.478}, {"text": "that's a huge cost so our analysis was in the target range but near the bottom", "start": 24808.478, "end": 24813.638}, {"text": "we looked at pay as well our estimate was that Uber drivers earn less than $8 an hour city did their", "start": 24813.638, "end": 24819.44}, {"text": "research they came back less than $7 an hour fully 95% are earning below minimum minimum wage and 70% lost money my point", "start": 24819.44, "end": 24827.92}, {"text": "here is that the analysis is always based on reliable public data everything we tested the methodology is sound and", "start": 24827.92, "end": 24835}, {"text": "conservative conclusions accurate incedible but the reality is even worse let's talk about cap where are we now", "start": 24835, "end": 24843.12}, {"text": "Council gave direction to develop a framework to maximize efficiency by balancing public policy priorities and", "start": 24843.12, "end": 24849.6}, {"text": "service and demand that is the task that was assigned to be dealt with today they were instructed to consider everything", "start": 24849.6, "end": 24856.52}, {"text": "from competitive impacts to safety to service for people with disabilities environmental impacts all these things", "start": 24856.52, "end": 24863.36}, {"text": "recommendation in front of us is for a cap at 80,000 um and I'm actually going to speak", "start": 24863.36, "end": 24870.638}, {"text": "against the cap today because right now if you read that carefully it says cap the number of driver licenses such that", "start": 24870.638, "end": 24876.76}, {"text": "the number of drivers is 880,000 880,000 is the number of licensed drivers not the number of licenses so", "start": 24876.76, 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"start": 24919.32, "end": 24926.08}, {"text": "process we could look at 2016 except Uber has arrived and that there there's more demand and project out from there", "start": 24926.08, "end": 24933.958}, {"text": "we also looked at New York City in two Dimensions one the ratio of drivers to Residents and two the ratio of trips to", "start": 24933.958, "end": 24939.76}, {"text": "drivers in New York when the cap went in they saw better service to the public better driver wages so the cap numbers", "start": 24939.76, "end": 24947.878}, {"text": "based on all of these criteria are 25,000 will serve today's demand that's", "start": 24947.878, "end": 24953.2}, {"text": "what you actually need for service levels today 177,000 is a credible number based on population growth 32,000", "start": 24953.2, "end": 24960.798}, {"text": "is credible if you want to factor in more Uber growth New York City is 39 to 27 uh 27 is probably more valid so to", "start": 24960.798, "end": 24970.24}, {"text": "close uh you need to make a decision on this and the decision should be based on what are our policy priorities then", "start": 24970.24, "end": 24976.92}, {"text": "struck staff to go and develop the plan to meet that we want to be serious are we going to get people back on TTC are", "start": 24976.92, "end": 24982.558}, {"text": "we going to accept a $100 million year increased subsidy for all those people who've left TTC to go on Uber uh will", "start": 24982.558, "end": 24988.878}, {"text": "this sector be able to fund his transition to electric vehicles are we going to have to come with public dollars pay for that transition these are important public questions and", "start": 24988.878, "end": 24996.52}, {"text": "nobody's talked about fairs you can shape Demand by regulating fairs and that's a that's a vital vital piece to", "start": 24996.52, "end": 25003.16}, {"text": "deciding how we want a road space use we're at four minutes thank you so much and staff I want to say the research was", "start": 25003.16, "end": 25008.68}, {"text": "amazing great work thank you that earlier too busy watching councilor Cole", "start": 25008.68, "end": 25014.76}, {"text": "you noticed how do you uh explain the fact that uh recently TTC ridership is", "start": 25014.76, "end": 25022.76}, {"text": "surging yet uh number of uh uh Uber drivers is increased no fair increase", "start": 25022.76, "end": 25030.04}, {"text": "yeah I I I believe that's mostly people will returning to work what you'll see if you ask staff and it's a good thing to follow up on later", "start": 25030.04, "end": 25036.718}, {"text": "that people who are taking ptcs including Urban in that category it's like single digit percent uh are", "start": 25036.718, "end": 25043.558}, {"text": "diverted from private cars 60% or more are diverted for public transit or walking cycling and uh and walking and", "start": 25043.558, "end": 25050.44}, {"text": "cycling so most of the choice people are coming off of more sustainable modes that's there in the data feel free to", "start": 25050.44, "end": 25056.24}, {"text": "TDC writers ship is really surging now that's wonderful but that doesn't mean there aren't people who would otherwise be on TTC who are currently on", "start": 25056.24, "end": 25063.08}, {"text": "Uber this is from the former chair he's yeah great question no thank you", "start": 25063.08, "end": 25068.68}, {"text": "anything else any other questions to the deput no thank you so much everybody", "start": 25068.68, "end": 25075.16}, {"text": "thank you can you leave your deputation behind or is there a printed copy or", "start": 25075.16, "end": 25080.6}, {"text": "have you submitted that sorry uh I I I could submit that if", "start": 25080.6, "end": 25086.28}, {"text": "you'd like yes what was that he said he could submit it you can submit it okay thank you please do um next", "start": 25086.28, "end": 25094.52}, {"text": "speaker Henry kabi he's you're", "start": 25094.52, "end": 25100.12}, {"text": "online where are yours Henry I see your name there can", "start": 25100.12, "end": 25107.478}, {"text": "you open up your mic", "start": 25107.478, "end": 25111.282}, {"text": "can I give you a few more seconds Henry can you hear us there you are yes I can", "start": 25113.16, "end": 25121.28}, {"text": "hear let's go for it thank you so much mayor um I'm actually at", "start": 25121.28, "end": 25126.68}, {"text": "work so um I've been waiting since 900 a.m.", "start": 25126.68, "end": 25132.76}, {"text": "to to also lend my voice to the industry uh I've heard what most uh", "start": 25132.76, "end": 25139.718}, {"text": "speaker have said uh most of it are in line with what uh is happening in the", "start": 25139.718, "end": 25145.76}, {"text": "industry and I just have a few uh suggestion um I think Uber is actually a", "start": 25145.76, "end": 25155.04}, {"text": "technology company it's not a transportation company so no matter what", "start": 25155.04, "end": 25160.44}, {"text": "we do we have the best it uh workers to", "start": 25160.44, "end": 25166.12}, {"text": "manipulate data so that's that is a fact and um we we all know where the money is", "start": 25166.12, "end": 25173.878}, {"text": "going uh part of the money is uh also with the government because um HST is at", "start": 25173.878, "end": 25181.16}, {"text": "30% of of of the fair that Rider pays uh", "start": 25181.16, "end": 25186.718}, {"text": "we have UB uh service fee between 25 and", "start": 25186.718, "end": 25192.76}, {"text": "33% uh we have third party uh entities uh provincial", "start": 25192.76, "end": 25199.2}, {"text": "government the municipal government also uh taking a slice of of the pie", "start": 25199.2, "end": 25206.12}, {"text": "between two to 4% of what the r up is so", "start": 25206.12, "end": 25211.44}, {"text": "all in all when the uh driver looks at", "start": 25211.44, "end": 25216.76}, {"text": "his uh balance sheet it sees less than", "start": 25216.76, "end": 25222}, {"text": "uh 50% of the value of the fair and that is actually gross is not", "start": 25222, "end": 25229.718}, {"text": "net so by the time you Cate you see how the", "start": 25229.718, "end": 25235.558}, {"text": "$6 per hour or $7 per hour how it actually makes sense", "start": 25235.558, "end": 25242.68}, {"text": "so uh that is that is one the other thing I want to say is that um I", "start": 25242.68, "end": 25249.44}, {"text": "believe having a c on um the drivers", "start": 25249.44, "end": 25254.84}, {"text": "might uh May might be a bit difficult to implement so what other jurisdictions", "start": 25254.84, "end": 25261.24}, {"text": "have done like United Kingdom is to have um drivers experience as the requirement", "start": 25261.24, "end": 25268.68}, {"text": "for new drivers so in the UK If you don't have three years Driving", "start": 25268.68, "end": 25274.638}, {"text": "Experience you can drive Uber but in Canada you just need to 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25327.16, "end": 25334}, {"text": "power switch action we work with communities working to improve public goods including", "start": 25334, "end": 25340.24}, {"text": "Transportation among others and to improve the lives of working people across our regions as we have done our", "start": 25340.24, "end": 25347.558}, {"text": "work in the ride share sector we have found a pattern as drivers and passengers have organized for better", "start": 25347.558, "end": 25354.52}, {"text": "regulation Uber and Lyft have again and again claimed that regulation like vehicle caps and minimum pay would raise", "start": 25354.52, "end": 25362.44}, {"text": "prices for passengers we've seen examples of this across our country Connecticut Chicago New York Seattle to", "start": 25362.44, "end": 25370.16}, {"text": "name a few however the evidence suggests that the real culprit as other speakers have alluded to is pressure from Wall", "start": 25370.16, "end": 25377.32}, {"text": "Street uh last year our team analyzed over a billion ride Shar trips comparing", "start": 25377.32, "end": 25382.718}, {"text": "four years of data in Chicago and New York these are two of the biggest markets in the US and the only two", "start": 25382.718, "end": 25389.76}, {"text": "cities that require uh R share corporations to report detailed trip data New York City the first US city to", "start": 25389.76, "end": 25397.04}, {"text": "do so instituted both a vehicle cap and minimum pay standard that took effect in", "start": 25397.04, "end": 25402.478}, {"text": "February of 2019 Chicago has neither policy in place at this time if", "start": 25402.478, "end": 25408.04}, {"text": "industry's arguments were true fairs should have gone up more in New York since the cap and minimum pay were", "start": 25408.04, "end": 25415.16}, {"text": "instituted than they did in Chicago however the opposite occurred over the", "start": 25415.16, "end": 25420.44}, {"text": "four years we studied Uber and Lyft raised fairs by 54% in Chicago where drivers have no pay protections and", "start": 25420.44, "end": 25426.92}, {"text": "there is no cap in New York they increased by 36% the reality just doesn't match the", "start": 25426.92, "end": 25433.12}, {"text": "scare tactics from the companies for years Uber has used money from the likes", "start": 25433.12, "end": 25438.478}, {"text": "of Goldman Sachs Black Rock and Jeff Bezos to offer cheap rides and to become the dominant player in the sector now", "start": 25438.478, "end": 25446}, {"text": "that they have achieved that domination um their investors are demanding their cut the corporation has faced increasing", "start": 25446, "end": 25452.958}, {"text": "calls to turn a profit and uh has jacked up fairs and cut driver pay upfront", "start": 25452.958, "end": 25458.558}, {"text": "pricing what the company calls um which is what the company calls its algorithmic pay scheme has allowed it to", "start": 25458.558, "end": 25465.04}, {"text": "obscure the strategy to the general public but drivers know they are working longer hours for less money for", "start": 25465.04, "end": 25471.718}, {"text": "investors this is working out great last earlier this year Uber reported its first profit ever and promptly announced", "start": 25471.718, "end": 25477.798}, {"text": "plans for $7 billion in BuyBacks to shareholders um but passengers and", "start": 25477.798, "end": 25482.84}, {"text": "drivers need our cities to look out for all of us in the case of New York where I live the regulatory body that tracks", "start": 25482.84, "end": 25489.478}, {"text": "this found that um uh vehicle the vehicle after the vehicle cap was put in", "start": 25489.478, "end": 25495.16}, {"text": "place weight times actually went down so to the questions that have been raised about demand and meeting demand um I", "start": 25495.16, "end": 25501.28}, {"text": "think that a really important data point um obviously it is in Uber's interest as a corporation to 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was a huge attrition of drivers during the pandemic as I'm sure most cities have experienced and so the", "start": 25552.718, "end": 25559.6}, {"text": "number of drivers went down and the city did not need to add new drivers um uh", "start": 25559.6, "end": 25565.878}, {"text": "for years uh to meet demand and so I was speaking to the experience in New York", "start": 25565.878, "end": 25571.44}, {"text": "uh but I think that the um research done showing that demand was met in Toronto", "start": 25571.44, "end": 25578.16}, {"text": "um in the 26,000 uh car range is really compelling", "start": 25578.16, "end": 25583.798}, {"text": "to balance the the needs of the public around congestion emissions uh and", "start": 25583.798, "end": 25588.878}, {"text": "transportation services thank you thank any other questions if not next speaker", "start": 25588.878, "end": 25595.32}, {"text": "Mark Andre way president of the Canan taxi Association Mark Andre are you", "start": 25595.32, "end": 25601.52}, {"text": "here Mark Andre I don't see you online", "start": 25601.52, "end": 25608.398}, {"text": "either okay Nathan uh Nathan Tam", "start": 25609.08, "end": 25617.04}, {"text": "lingam Nathan are you online", "start": 25617.04, "end": 25622.24}, {"text": "yeah ah there you are can you open up your mic you you have three", "start": 25622.24, "end": 25628.718}, {"text": "minutes go ahead Nathan we cannot hear", "start": 25629.398, "end": 25637.6}, {"text": "you Nathan can you turn on your mic so we could hear", "start": 25637.798, "end": 25644}, {"text": "you if not we will come back to you n Shen", "start": 25645.16, "end": 25653.44}, {"text": "n s are you", "start": 25657.798, "end": 25663.36}, {"text": "online I do not see you online you're not here era", "start": 25663.36, "end": 25670.398}, {"text": "Phillips Ella Phillips there you are thank you for being here you have three", "start": 25670.398, "end": 25678.08}, {"text": "minutes thank you madame May counselors committee members um my name is eara Phillips I'm", "start": 25679.718, "end": 25687.638}, {"text": "the vice president and co-founder of the rid share Drivers Association um and we um have been", "start": 25687.638, "end": 25695.398}, {"text": "actively advocating uh for drivers um you know to help to improve the vehicle", "start": 25695.398, "end": 25700.52}, {"text": "for higher industry our goal is to make the industry Equitable for drivers who are currently earning below", "start": 25700.52, "end": 25707.16}, {"text": "a livable wage we've seen that in the report we're below even a minimum minimum wage despite contributing to a", "start": 25707.16, "end": 25713.958}, {"text": "multi-billion dollar Fleet you can have an", "start": 25713.958, "end": 25719.16}, {"text": "impact the recommendation to cap the driver Fleet at 8,469 while allowing unlimited entry to", "start": 25719.16, "end": 25727.478}, {"text": "to EVS fails to address the core issue over Supply over a year ago drivers", "start": 25727.478, "end": 25733.6}, {"text": "warned the city that transitioning to EVS by 2030 would be um impossible given", "start": 25733.6, "end": 25740.2}, {"text": "the excessive compl size um the amount of time drivers spend", "start": 25740.2, "end": 25745.52}, {"text": "without passengers or deadheading has increased due to the number of drivers outpacing the number of available", "start": 25745.52, "end": 25754.6}, {"text": "trips this increases to Road con congestion and we see that in the", "start": 25754.878, "end": 25761.44}, {"text": "report um Uber shift to AI based pricing has further reduced earnings of drivers", "start": 25761.44, "end": 25769.44}, {"text": "a city news report a few days ago revealed inconsistent charges for identical trips while on sorry while an", "start": 25769.44, "end": 25778.24}, {"text": "RDA o study uh that we've attached to our submission uh found that driver", "start": 25778.24, "end": 25784.24}, {"text": "earnings have dropped between 17 to 25% depending on the trip since October 8th", "start": 25784.24, "end": 25792.04}, {"text": "the report is attached um right sizing the fleet would allow drivers to spend", "start": 25792.04, "end": 25797.28}, {"text": "more time with passengers increasing their income that increases their", "start": 25797.28, "end": 25802.878}, {"text": "utilization without addressing the overs Supply drivers will remain in precarity", "start": 25802.878, "end": 25808.718}, {"text": "Road congestion will worsen and the city's Transit and environmental goals will remain unchanged we believe that", "start": 25808.718, "end": 25816.638}, {"text": "right sizing the fleet is only one part of a larger solution Banning aib based", "start": 25816.638, "end": 25822.76}, {"text": "pricing for customers and drivers which is inherently discriminatory correcting licensing", "start": 25822.76, "end": 25829.798}, {"text": "imbalances and tax Ling the widening Supply demand Gap will benefit the", "start": 25829.798, "end": 25835.638}, {"text": "industry it's important to emphasize that Uber does not own the cars nor do", "start": 25835.638, "end": 25841.32}, {"text": "they pay for them yet Uber submits that drivers do not invest in vehicles for", "start": 25841.32, "end": 25846.44}, {"text": "this work thousands of newcomers and international students have taken on predatory car loans to support", "start": 25846.44, "end": 25853.12}, {"text": "themselves through driving recently two tow truck drivers were overheard discussing the repossession of 25", "start": 25853.12, "end": 25860.92}, {"text": "vehicles belonging to Uber drivers because they couldn't make their payments drivers should be able to earn", "start": 25860.92, "end": 25867.84}, {"text": "at least a minimum earning floor after their", "start": 25867.84, "end": 25872.878}, {"text": "costs um by increasing their utilization um a responsibility that", "start": 25872.878, "end": 25879.84}, {"text": "Uber is unwilling to shoulder Additionally the current licensing system is unfair this unfair two-tier", "start": 25879.84, "end": 25887.558}, {"text": "licensing system forces drivers to undergo multiple safety checks which have recently become up to four", "start": 25887.558, "end": 25893.878}, {"text": "times more expensive the city has a responsibility to all drivers in the entire industry to ensure a fair balance", "start": 25893.878, "end": 25901.68}, {"text": "between Fleet size and usage we are your brothers sisters mothers fathers", "start": 25901.68, "end": 25909.44}, {"text": "neighbors drivers are subject to ongoing precarity exploitation and an inability", "start": 25909.44, "end": 25916.878}, {"text": "to thrive our simple recommendations are to rightsize the fleet to balance the", "start": 25916.878, "end": 25923.2}, {"text": "number of drivers with usage that data is in the report ban the discriminatory", "start": 25923.2, "end": 25929.16}, {"text": "practice of using AI to determine fairs to customers and earnings to drivers", "start": 25929.16, "end": 25935.6}, {"text": "return to the transparency of rate cards um which have always been the", "start": 25935.6, "end": 25942.68}, {"text": "pillar of pricing time and distance Implement a single PTC license per", "start": 25942.68, "end": 25948.32}, {"text": "driver with portability to drive from multiple companies thereby shifting control of Licensing", "start": 25948.32, "end": 25954.558}, {"text": "back to Municipal licensing and standards and the drivers and away from these companies thank you very", "start": 25954.558, "end": 25963.16}, {"text": "much thank you for those recommendations very clear thank you any questions nope", "start": 25963.16, "end": 25971.44}, {"text": "um next speaker um", "start": 25971.44, "end": 25977.76}, {"text": "barut kamsa a tool of Canada there you", "start": 25977.76, "end": 25984.28}, {"text": "are good afternoon my name is beus and I've been with the tax industry", "start": 25989.878, 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"start": 26051.878, "end": 26059.6}, {"text": "that deputation and you get my point um", "start": 26059.6, "end": 26064.798}, {"text": "there is uh one thing uh here about the price uh desper", "start": 26064.798, "end": 26071.84}, {"text": "that the uh petition was sent to councelor uh Bravo and MLS executive and", "start": 26071.84, "end": 26082.08}, {"text": "also your office and the way you have dealt with us it is uh totally wrong", "start": 26082.08, "end": 26091}, {"text": "that you allow a company undercut us and uh how we going", "start": 26091, "end": 26098.718}, {"text": "to try to survive in these economical conditions when uh right that rer is", "start": 26098.718, "end": 26109.32}, {"text": "charging half the price of my cost I have a suggestion for you that earlier", "start": 26109.32, "end": 26116.36}, {"text": "you talk about the vages that is controlled by the province you don't", "start": 26116.36, "end": 26122.32}, {"text": "need to go that far because you have given us a tariff card that tariff card", "start": 26122.32, "end": 26131.12}, {"text": "was produced by this city you could produce the same tariff cards for the", "start": 26131.12, "end": 26139}, {"text": "right share companies and you don't need to go to the through the province the", "start": 26139, "end": 26144.44}, {"text": "last thing is about the digital meter to capture data uh I have already provided the some", "start": 26144.44, "end": 26155.04}, {"text": "information during the Net Zero um uh meetings regarding starting", "start": 26155.04, "end": 26161.36}, {"text": "the capturing data and I have able to", "start": 26161.36, "end": 26166.76}, {"text": "produce those data very clearly to you uh to you guys", "start": 26166.76, "end": 26174.28}, {"text": "that we do not need to have a new digital camera to produce data we", "start": 26174.28, "end": 26183.16}, {"text": "already have the right equipment inside the taxi and we can get those data for", "start": 26183.16, "end": 26191.28}, {"text": "you complete and very good thank you so much thank you uh seeing no questions", "start": 26191.28, "end": 26199.958}, {"text": "next speaker Jake", "start": 26199.958, "end": 26203.876}, {"text": "Brookman thank you Mr Brookman thank thank", "start": 26207.6, "end": 26213.04}, {"text": "you the roots make sure you got everything y okay your phone", "start": 26213.04, "end": 26221.08}, {"text": "okay go for it thank you Madame mayor and executive committee members my name is Jake Brockman and I am pleased to", "start": 26223.68, "end": 26230.2}, {"text": "work in Uber Canada's Toronto office in the great riding of University Rosedale", "start": 26230.2, "end": 26236.24}, {"text": "and it's particularly good to be here in front of you as the holiday season swings into full gear across our great", "start": 26236.24, "end": 26242.68}, {"text": "City from The Distillery winter village to the Weston Village Bia Winterfest", "start": 26242.68, "end": 26247.718}, {"text": "torontonians are getting out and enjoying the season and with that often comes indulging in an alcoholic beverage", "start": 26247.718, "end": 26253.878}, {"text": "or two and that's why we are so pleased to partner with Mothers Against Drunk Driving to encourage people to make the", "start": 26253.878, "end": 26261.04}, {"text": "right decision and not drive impaired and fast forward to 2026 Madame mayor", "start": 26261.04, "end": 26266.958}, {"text": "our city will be as vibrant as ever with both the initial tip off of the Toronto", "start": 26266.958, "end": 26272}, {"text": "Tempo WNBA team and the FIFA 20126 World Cup right next door at beo field and the", "start": 26272, "end": 26279.398}, {"text": "reality will be that Toronto will be the only 2026 World Cup host City to have", "start": 26279.398, "end": 26285.44}, {"text": "limited the supply of ride share on the road couple that with the 240 cranes up", "start": 26285.44, "end": 26291.478}, {"text": "right now in the city and the fact that 80% of new units in the city are being built without parking spaces the city", "start": 26291.478, "end": 26298.84}, {"text": "will be booming like never before but without adequate Transportation Madame mayor no other", "start": 26298.84, "end": 26305.68}, {"text": "city in North America has moved forward with a policy like the one that's in front of you today", "start": 26305.68, "end": 26311.398}, {"text": "and the staff report actually gives a good indication why first a cap is not", "start": 26311.398, "end": 26317.24}, {"text": "supported by the majority of tonians according to the city's own polling in the report 65% of", "start": 26317.24, "end": 26324.36}, {"text": "torontonians either do not support a limit or do not have an opinion and the top concerns that they expressed to the", "start": 26324.36, "end": 26330.84}, {"text": "city were increased prices increased weight times and two few drivers to provide transportation", "start": 26330.84, "end": 26337.478}, {"text": "services second Madame mayor a cap makes it harder to get around the city particularly in aobo North York and", "start": 26337.478, "end": 26345}, {"text": "scarbro and the staff report makes this clear restricting the number of licensed", "start": 26345, "end": 26350.36}, {"text": "drivers could lead to existing drivers focusing on serving trips closer to the city's downtown core where demand is", "start": 26350.36, "end": 26358.52}, {"text": "highest and third aat makes it harder for newcomers to Toronto to access earning opportunities the staff report", "start": 26358.52, "end": 26365.68}, {"text": "indicates that for those who are newcomers and facing additional language culture education barriers the low entry", "start": 26365.68, "end": 26372.76}, {"text": "requirements immediate availability of work and flexible hours in the vehicle for higher industry make it a potential", "start": 26372.76, "end": 26378.878}, {"text": "way to earn an income and finally Madame mayor the cap will create a major regional", "start": 26378.878, "end": 26385}, {"text": "transportation issue a PTC driver Supply cap will increase deadheading by non-ptc", "start": 26385, "end": 26391.958}, {"text": "licensed drivers who pick up riders in the GTA and drop them off in the city proper transportation is increasingly", "start": 26391.958, "end": 26399.6}, {"text": "Regional with more than 40% of trips on the Uber platform starting and ending in different", "start": 26399.6, "end": 26405.28}, {"text": "municipalities for these reasons we encourage executive committee to reject recommendations one and two in front of", "start": 26405.28, "end": 26411.08}, {"text": "you today thank you for your time I look forward to taking your questions any questions anyone seeing none oh next", "start": 26411.08, "end": 26419.08}, {"text": "speaker s SAS uh DVR drvr", "start": 26419.08, "end": 26426.2}, {"text": "Hub vehicle for higher training", "start": 26426.2, "end": 26431.12}, {"text": "you're online y we can hear you perfect perfect uh thank you um executive", "start": 26431.36, "end": 26437.958}, {"text": "committee I'm excited uh to be here uh my name is Santa I am the co-founder of driverhub it's a Scaro based accredited", "start": 26437.958, "end": 26444.92}, {"text": "driver training provider that was established in 2022 um prior to driverhub I've experienced um uh rolling", "start": 26444.92, "end": 26452.398}, {"text": "out spark driver program for Walmart Canada I have uh supported in the roll", "start": 26452.398, "end": 26457.84}, {"text": "out of onboarding 20 thou sorry 10,000 ders across Ontario as well as being a", "start": 26457.84, "end": 26464.478}, {"text": "participant in the tech development of that app uh prior to that I have also uh", "start": 26464.478, "end": 26469.558}, {"text": "launch ride share in city of London as well as City of Hamilton um I heard a", "start": 26469.558, "end": 26474.84}, {"text": "lot uh here a lot from drivers on their challenges which I heard firsthand from my experience um alongside with my", "start": 26474.84, "end": 26482.16}, {"text": "co-founder Delani of H driverhub we have trained over 35,000 drivers making sure", "start": 26482.16, "end": 26487.84}, {"text": "that they're equipped with skills and knowledge um about how to navigate Toronto's vehicle for industry vehicle", "start": 26487.84, "end": 26494.2}, {"text": "for higher industry so our course content includes uh information on driver's rights and legal requirements", "start": 26494.2, "end": 26501.24}, {"text": "principles of anti-racism anti-discrimination anti-harassment how to provide uh service to accessible", "start": 26501.24, "end": 26507.12}, {"text": "users and differently abled folks as well as driving Urban sitting and transport uh transport transporting", "start": 26507.12, "end": 26513.558}, {"text": "passengers safely um so the reason why we did these modules is not only to ensure that they have the skills and", "start": 26513.558, "end": 26519.32}, {"text": "knowledge of navigating and driving but also making sure that we're creating a professional incl inclusive um driver", "start": 26519.32, "end": 26526}, {"text": "pool um for me for regarding this particular cap um I am over overall I'm", "start": 26526, "end": 26533.44}, {"text": "in favor of it however I do have some questions and concerns that I would like to raise for this committee one of them", "start": 26533.44, "end": 26539.798}, {"text": "being the process of removing drivers and onboarding what is a weight list looking like there is a lack of", "start": 26539.798, "end": 26545.36}, {"text": "transparency and openness around it and as a as a Frontline um operator where", "start": 26545.36, "end": 26550.798}, {"text": "drivers do come to us for answers I wish there's a little bit more transparen so we could provide those answers to them", "start": 26550.798, "end": 26556.718}, {"text": "um I do also want to raise that by introducing a cap you are open your else open yourself opening yourself up for a", "start": 26556.718, "end": 26563.798}, {"text": "black market so Santa I have a PDC license and I only drive between 9 to three um but I have a friend who", "start": 26563.798, "end": 26570.558}, {"text": "unfortunately couldn't make it now I'm going to be like okay can I give you my car and my login credentials and you", "start": 26570.558, "end": 26576.04}, {"text": "could operate so now we're getting drivers who are not in any system who are not going through the mandatory", "start": 26576.04, "end": 26581.398}, {"text": "criminal background checks and Abstract checks there is there City prepared to mitigate those risks and as a uh", "start": 26581.398, "end": 26588.478}, {"text": "training provider we would support in that and lastly um there's been a lot of um you know looking to New York on how", "start": 26588.478, "end": 26595.318}, {"text": "they're implementing things I do want to uh um identify that in the city of Toronto um we have a", "start": 26595.318, "end": 26602.2}, {"text": "onetime uh oneandone training it's a three-hour training so once a driver completes that training they never have", "start": 26602.2, "end": 26607.718}, {"text": "to do it again whereas when you look at New York they have a 24-hour training they have to do the training and uh a", "start": 26607.718, "end": 26614.44}, {"text": "new training or annual refresher course every single year so that I feel is a better way of now putting serious and", "start": 26614.44, "end": 26622.318}, {"text": "well-trained drivers into the mix um and reduce drivers that maybe are not that serious and maybe don't not not need to", "start": 26622.318, "end": 26629.478}, {"text": "um be part of the um the driving pool um I also want to say that I do commend the", "start": 26629.478, "end": 26635.638}, {"text": "uh council's initiative to exempt uh zero commission and wheel accessible vehicles I uh and behalf of 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26695.398, "end": 26700.878}, {"text": "speak here so first of all first of all I want to uh talk about the thank you", "start": 26700.878, "end": 26706.878}, {"text": "discrimination I think I have faced recently while I work in forber I mean", "start": 26706.878, "end": 26712.76}, {"text": "the intro introduction of the artificial", "start": 26712.76, "end": 26718.24}, {"text": "intelligence uh up front free I noticed that uh that the price for the same trip", "start": 26718.24, "end": 26725.28}, {"text": "is different for different drivers many times I and as drivers", "start": 26725.28, "end": 26731.12}, {"text": "received the same trip at the same location but the payment for the trip was not the", "start": 26731.12, "end": 26737.478}, {"text": "same the same thing happens in food delivery I keep getting orders that pay", "start": 26737.478, "end": 26745.36}, {"text": "$2 $3 just imagine $23 for trip", "start": 26745.36, "end": 26751.84}, {"text": "uh for five uh no about five kilometers or for example a driver recently sent me", "start": 26751.84, "end": 26758.478}, {"text": "a screenshot or today uh it's $6 for 42 kilm really in one", "start": 26758.478, "end": 26766.718}, {"text": "way uh oh one second yes this feel uh this feels like", "start": 26766.718, "end": 26775.16}, {"text": "exploitations why does Uber offer these orders to make fun of us really this", "start": 26775.16, "end": 26781.558}, {"text": "price do not match the contract we signed with Uber so it's", "start": 26781.558, "end": 26786.798}, {"text": "uh it's look like uber lion when I check this orders I lose money when I check in", "start": 26786.798, "end": 26793.52}, {"text": "this orders I lose money and I can't cancel them because my rating will will", "start": 26793.52, "end": 26798.68}, {"text": "drop and another important observations sometimes I uh I and other", "start": 26798.68, "end": 26805.04}, {"text": "drivers uh near a large group a large group of", "start": 26805.04, "end": 26811.76}, {"text": "people waiting for Uber for example after a big concern some people wait uh", "start": 26811.76, "end": 26817.28}, {"text": "5 10 minutes and finally an Uber driver arrives and pick up them but I along", "start": 26817.28, "end": 26823.878}, {"text": "with other", "start": 26823.878, "end": 26826.558}, {"text": "drivers anything else sorry no no no yes but I along with other drivers am", "start": 26830.36, "end": 26836.16}, {"text": "already at the same location close to this customers and still get orders for", "start": 26836.16, "end": 26842.478}, {"text": "trips that start 5 kilm away imagine this happening uh to you let's say you", "start": 26842.478, "end": 26849.24}, {"text": "in a h and call in Uber you're told the nearest driver is 10 minutes away but in", "start": 26849.24, "end": 26856.2}, {"text": "real another drivers is right right next to you this way Uber", "start": 26856.2, "end": 26863.28}, {"text": "is misleading customers as well another point in the last when I'm delivering", "start": 26863.28, "end": 26869.718}, {"text": "food I sometimes get an extra order along the way often uh this are small", "start": 26869.718, "end": 26876.84}, {"text": "orders uh that pay $2 $3 again thank thank you so much for okay speaking", "start": 26876.84, "end": 26883.878}, {"text": "today uh any questions to folks nope okay thank you Peter uh", "start": 26883.878, "end": 26892.398}, {"text": "anop Peter are you here are you", "start": 26892.398, "end": 26898}, {"text": "online I don't see you I don't see you online JJ f", "start": 26898, "end": 26904.24}, {"text": "f you you okay all right uh", "start": 26904.24, "end": 26911.24}, {"text": "Hassan rash rashidi Hassan you have four three", "start": 26911.28, "end": 26919.44}, {"text": "minutes my name is H rashidi I've been driving 30 years taxi in city of Toronto", "start": 26922.638, "end": 26929.68}, {"text": "more than 3 million kilometer wow I've been taking every one of these people", "start": 26929.68, "end": 26935.68}, {"text": "maybe 80% of these people in my C I see the people are coming here to talk", "start": 26935.68, "end": 26944.08}, {"text": "they haven't driving taxi even one days how can they come and talk about the", "start": 26944.08, "end": 26949.958}, {"text": "taxes I am down the road I am facing all the problem we are", "start": 26949.958, "end": 26955.398}, {"text": "getting the city of Toronto has bullying us since beginning of I got my license", "start": 26955.398, "end": 26963.398}, {"text": "with all those baa those restriction all $2 million", "start": 26963.398, "end": 26970.24}, {"text": "liability for insurance you guys want to restrict the Uber cap the Uber bring the", "start": 26970.24, "end": 26976.28}, {"text": "insurance $2 million liability for them how come you did it for us you know why", "start": 26976.28, "end": 26982.76}, {"text": "because you not overcome the Uber company this is all the game this is all", "start": 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court go to the court and cancel that claim okay sir I I am not a", "start": 27042.04, "end": 27049.36}, {"text": "guy to start know I she's trying toix stop the city of TR speak to the mayor", "start": 27049.36, "end": 27055.92}, {"text": "guys cool it for folks speak to the mayor okay sorry I'm I'm trying to get", "start": 27055.92, "end": 27062.68}, {"text": "other counselors are just getting excited you have few more a few more", "start": 27062.68, "end": 27068.08}, {"text": "seconds we're wrapping up at 3 minutes you guys I'm telling you you", "start": 27068.08, "end": 27074.24}, {"text": "guys want to restrict the Uber put the cap you have to talk with the person who", "start": 27074.24, "end": 27079.478}, {"text": "is down the road talk to me talk to people who drive a taxi right I know", "start": 27079.478, "end": 27086.68}, {"text": "every corner every intersection I know what going on in the city I know", "start": 27086.68, "end": 27093}, {"text": "everything I understand thank you for driving all these years you've been great service to the CATE of Toronto", "start": 27093, "end": 27099.958}, {"text": "thank you very much for let the city of Toronto to compensate the drivers we", "start": 27099.958, "end": 27105.16}, {"text": "lost a lot we don't have a future I we don't have insurance we don't have", "start": 27105.16, "end": 27111}, {"text": "anything we don't have retirement we don't have anything after 30 years I", "start": 27111, "end": 27117.16}, {"text": "know it's tough this is not fair you guys CL climing fair you are claiming", "start": 27117.16, "end": 27122.878}, {"text": "you care about the humanity thank you so much do not care about the humanity okay", "start": 27122.878, "end": 27129.08}, {"text": "our next speaker is uh Hassan uh sorry", "start": 27129.08, "end": 27134.2}, {"text": "um Muhammad uh ashad last speaker Muhammad there you", "start": 27134.2, "end": 27143.316}, {"text": "are Madam chair and all other respectable committee members thank you for for", "start": 27143.718, "end": 27150}, {"text": "letting me talk I'm talking about only one issue I think nobody spoke about", "start": 27150, "end": 27156.68}, {"text": "that uh I'm working in this city in cab industry for last 35", "start": 27156.68, "end": 27163.92}, {"text": "years I purchased three taxi licenses", "start": 27163.92, "end": 27169.16}, {"text": "City didn't give me any free a lot of my colleague they got a free Ambassador and others now what", "start": 27169.16, "end": 27176.718}, {"text": "happened for last couple year business was was like dead for taxi industry so", "start": 27176.718, "end": 27183}, {"text": "my taxi plate been sitting at MLS I had no income", "start": 27183, "end": 27189.318}, {"text": "now I Tred to put a car back on the road with those licenses and they told me no", "start": 27189.318, "end": 27196.52}, {"text": "you didn't pay renewal for so many years your license are cancelled oh I don't", "start": 27196.52, "end": 27203.318}, {"text": "understand this one like I want to pay to the city for last two or three year", "start": 27203.318, "end": 27208.478}, {"text": "whatever I owee city is not losing anything I'm paying them so and I want", "start": 27208.478, "end": 27214.36}, {"text": "to serve the city I want to put those licenses back on the", "start": 27214.36, "end": 27220.16}, {"text": "road can can they tell me like your MLS director first of all if I have a", "start": 27220.16, "end": 27226.44}, {"text": "insurance if I don't pay they send me registered letter your policy is", "start": 27226.44, "end": 27233.36}, {"text": "cancelled and this is my life forood like I I paid money thousands", "start": 27233.36, "end": 27240.08}, {"text": "they didn't write me any registered letter they don't send anybody registered letter they just send", "start": 27241.2, "end": 27246.84}, {"text": "ordinary letter somebody receive or no they don't care they don't they say oh", "start": 27246.84, "end": 27252.558}, {"text": "your license cancelled if if I own a", "start": 27252.558, "end": 27257.76}, {"text": "house for example I own a car right I didn't renew the it's a yearly", "start": 27257.76, "end": 27265.478}, {"text": "sticker and they say oh it's cancelled it's gone in garbage this doesn't make any any sense and", "start": 27265.478, "end": 27273.44}, {"text": "couple year ago I think this happened same thing and city council uh passed the motion they give", "start": 27273.44, "end": 27281.318}, {"text": "everyone a time two or three month if you pay your previous renewal fee your", "start": 27281.318, "end": 27286.878}, {"text": "license are reinstated no it's not I wish the council do this again please", "start": 27286.878, "end": 27293.84}, {"text": "when it's his turn to speak otherwise I lost this that's my", "start": 27293.84, "end": 27299.398}, {"text": "life for and I want to serve the city again right the reason I didn't pay", "start": 27299.398, "end": 27306.76}, 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his chance sorry uh Nathan is online he's", "start": 27367.478, "end": 27374.08}, {"text": "not on my have okay uh Nathan we can you'll be the last speaker can you open", "start": 27374.08, "end": 27380.718}, {"text": "your mic I'm GNA try again Nathan this is your second time can you", "start": 27380.718, "end": 27388.92}, {"text": "open your mic can we hear you there you go and the can you speak up", "start": 27388.92, "end": 27396.16}, {"text": "please yeah make one round right move the car to the close to the curve I", "start": 27396.16, "end": 27402.04}, {"text": "cannot hear you folks can I this is your last speaker go", "start": 27402.04, "end": 27409.476}, {"text": "ahead we're listening go ahead Nathan downhill right which side you turn right side", "start": 27411.04, "end": 27419.558}, {"text": "okay one round right one round staring round right move the car close to the", "start": 27419.558, "end": 27424.718}, {"text": "curve then you have to move the", "start": 27424.718, "end": 27429.718}, {"text": "car I think the uh it's not working out I'm sorry it's uh cutting off uh sorry", "start": 27433.2, "end": 27441.12}, {"text": "Nathan we are not able to hear you and they probably bad Wi-Fi um we are now", "start": 27441.12, "end": 27449.16}, {"text": "deal dealing with the issue ourselves um council members question to the", "start": 27449.16, "end": 27455.36}, {"text": "staff are there okay uh Deputy", "start": 27455.36, "end": 27460.52}, {"text": "Mayor Morley and um", "start": 27460.52, "end": 27466.558}, {"text": "macuy uh thank you Madame mayor uh just a few questions of of staff on this", "start": 27466.558, "end": 27472.318}, {"text": "issue um on the issue of direct licensing we heard about how other", "start": 27472.318, "end": 27477.52}, {"text": "cities have um in other municipalities rather there are licenses that are administered directly by the city to", "start": 27477.52, "end": 27484.84}, {"text": "allow drivers to move freely between platforms uh staff have said that they will manage driver licenses but have not", "start": 27484.84, "end": 27490.958}, {"text": "outlined or indicated how in this report can you provide some further details and timelines on how this might be", "start": 27490.958, "end": 27496.76}, {"text": "implemented and if we're in fact going that direction so thank you for the question", "start": 27496.76, "end": 27504.24}, {"text": "um we are not planning to go that direction um I spoke earlier in in the", "start": 27504.24, "end": 27509.68}, {"text": "previous report that we have 41 staff that administer and enforce this bylaw if you go that route it would need", "start": 27509.68, "end": 27516.92}, {"text": "significantly more staff and I'm not there's zero value added city of New", "start": 27516.92, "end": 27522.12}, {"text": "York has 600 staff on that um city of Chicago Ottawa Seattle do the same as us", "start": 27522.12, "end": 27529.718}, {"text": "uh we license these drivers they are licensed by the city of Toronto however The Upfront Administration is done by", "start": 27529.718, "end": 27536.558}, {"text": "the platforms okay uh thank you for that clarification um on the issue of the cap", "start": 27536.558, "end": 27544}, {"text": "um we know in 21 2021 Stafford directed to develop a framework for the vehicle", "start": 27544, "end": 27549.92}, {"text": "for higher sector supported by independent report maximize efficiency of the sector by matching active", "start": 27549.92, "end": 27555.878}, {"text": "vehicles and service and demand etc etc um this was meant to ensure that the", "start": 27555.878, "end": 27562.6}, {"text": "economic impacts on drivers public transit reducing traffic could be", "start": 27562.6, "end": 27567.958}, {"text": "considered uh a along with our policies around transform to active too um Vision", "start": 27567.958, "end": 27573.28}, {"text": "zero and others how does the proposed 880,000 cap address or support any of", "start": 27573.28, "end": 27580.878}, {"text": "these policies so thank you for the question I would say it uh it tries to address each", "start": 27580.878, "end": 27587.478}, {"text": "of those problems collectively uh our aim is to stem the growth in this", "start": 27587.478, "end": 27593.558}, {"text": "industry uh it is to ensure that we are cognizant of emissions", "start": 27593.558, "end": 27600}, {"text": "uh we are cognizant of uh again congestion emissions and uh and having", "start": 27600, "end": 27605.638}, {"text": "the data to manage this industry um thank you and I know that there were compliments from some deputat", "start": 27605.638, "end": 27612.84}, {"text": "about the quality of the information staff have gathered and shared so I want to express that thanks um and just to", "start": 27612.84, "end": 27619.718}, {"text": "Pivot quickly around the issue of congestion which we know continues to be a challenge for all of us and", "start": 27619.718, "end": 27626}, {"text": "exacerbated by this industry um with respect to congestion and bike Lanes um", "start": 27626, "end": 27633.798}, {"text": "we understand that bike lanes are being linked to congestion uh the data", "start": 27633.798, "end": 27639.08}, {"text": "suggests otherwise that more accurately cars cause congestion um can you speak to us about the impacts of an", "start": 27639.08, "end": 27645.12}, {"text": "overabundance of ride hailing Vehicles versus safe cycling infrastructure on", "start": 27645.12, "end": 27650.478}, {"text": "congestion uh through the mayor I I think um the biggest indicator that", "start": 27650.478, "end": 27657.28}, {"text": "we've seen around folks in the I can't hear very well can can you hear me now", "start": 27657.28, "end": 27662.718}, {"text": "Deputy May oh there you are uh keep the conversation semi", "start": 27662.718, "end": 27669.878}, {"text": "low volume low so we could hear each other go ahead uh through you mayor we", "start": 27669.878, "end": 27676.44}, {"text": "collect a fair amount of data on congestion and the causes of congestion we also look at when we reconstruct a", "start": 27676.44, "end": 27682.76}, {"text": "road how the uh improvements that we make have impacted travel time so we have a fair amount of data on that we", "start": 27682.76, "end": 27688.798}, {"text": "have not seen any indications that bike Lanes have an impact on congestion we have seen some pretty clear indicators", "start": 27688.798, "end": 27695.12}, {"text": "that construction has an impact on congestion and we know that growth uh", "start": 27695.12, "end": 27700.24}, {"text": "also and population growth which may uh result in more vehicles on the road also has an impact on congestion as well", "start": 27700.24, "end": 27707.638}, {"text": "thank you that's uh I think important for us all to remember and keep in mind as we navigate this", "start": 27707.638, "end": 27712.92}, {"text": "conversation um I'll stop there and open the floor", "start": 27712.92, "end": 27719.28}, {"text": "maybe if we have a second round I might have one more just on the issue of driver communication um this week uh we", "start": 27719.28, "end": 27726}, {"text": "know that Uber has been writing to drivers in good standing that their licenses might be suspended or at risk", "start": 27726, "end": 27731.84}, {"text": "if City new city policies take effect can anyone provide assurance that no", "start": 27731.84, "end": 27737.04}, {"text": "that no currently active drivers will lose their licenses um and can you provide clarification as to what happens", "start": 27737.04, "end": 27743.68}, {"text": "to any licenses that are under review or suspended and what steps staff have taken to inform dri of City policies and", "start": 27743.68, "end": 27750.878}, {"text": "their rights uh thank you for the question I'll I'll try to answer that one um the", "start": 27750.878, "end": 27759.2}, {"text": "way the platform communicates with their drivers is is beyond my control um we", "start": 27759.2, "end": 27764.76}, {"text": "have had extensive Communications uh throughout this and we will communicate um what happens once Council", "start": 27764.76, "end": 27773.16}, {"text": "makes a final determination uh these are important stakeholders and we will uh", "start": 27773.16, "end": 27778.36}, {"text": "communicate directly ly with the drivers based on what council decides uh December 17", "start": 27778.36, "end": 27784.878}, {"text": "1819 I thank you for that I appreciate last sorry you're at 515 I might come", "start": 27784.878, "end": 27790.318}, {"text": "back to you second councelor mccy just give me a second because uh I'll we have", "start": 27790.318, "end": 27797.08}, {"text": "uh councelor Meyers that wants to ask the questions he's not part of the committee we'll let him go", "start": 27797.08, "end": 27804.718}, {"text": "first visiting thank you through you through you Madame mayor", "start": 27804.718, "end": 27809.878}, {"text": "um so my question is specifically with recommendation three city council direct", "start": 27809.878, "end": 27815.398}, {"text": "the Ed MLS to develop and Implement a centralized dispatch service for OnDemand wheelchair accessible vehicle", "start": 27815.398, "end": 27822.44}, {"text": "for higher service I'm just curious as to whether or not staff considered leveraging the", "start": 27822.44, "end": 27829.52}, {"text": "the system that already exists within the TTC rather than trying to create a", "start": 27829.52, "end": 27834.84}, {"text": "new one since that we do something similar with the wheel trans and the and", "start": 27834.84, "end": 27840.16}, {"text": "the accessible sedans so thank you for the questions uh yes we have considered that we are in", "start": 27840.16, "end": 27847}, {"text": "discussions with TTC uh it is something we we'd be interested in clearly I can't tell them", "start": 27847, "end": 27854.16}, {"text": "what to do or how to operate but it is something that we would be willing to partner on um what we've proposed here", "start": 27854.16, "end": 27862.68}, {"text": "is is something that's been done successfully in uh in both Calgary and Winnipeg just for context", "start": 27862.68, "end": 27869.76}, {"text": "okay for clarification you haven't ruled out leveraging ttc's existing system uh", "start": 27869.76, "end": 27875}, {"text": "that's the conversation to be had that's correct and you know I think", "start": 27875, "end": 27880.68}, {"text": "um strong support from the TTC chair uh would uh would would assist with that", "start": 27880.68, "end": 27887.16}, {"text": "thank you um my next question is", "start": 27887.16, "end": 27892.28}, {"text": "regarding the um amending the maximum age limit for", "start": 27892.28, "end": 27898.2}, {"text": "wheelchair accessible vehicles uh to 10 years just what was the Thinking Beyond", "start": 27898.2, "end": 27905.398}, {"text": "that uh for that for that change thank you for the question um", "start": 27905.398, "end": 27911.6}, {"text": "these vehicles are expensive uh this is a and we've done this with other", "start": 27911.6, "end": 27916.92}, {"text": "vehicles to extend to give the the life of the car a little longer to provide", "start": 27916.92, "end": 27921.958}, {"text": "this important service we still receive safety certificates which is the most", "start": 27921.958, "end": 27927.318}, {"text": "critical uh piece of information to ensure that these vehicles are safe we", "start": 27927.318, "end": 27932.398}, {"text": "recognize they're a little older and there may be more issue and that's why we require the safety certificate and", "start": 27932.398, "end": 27938.2}, {"text": "that gives us the assurances that these vehicles can be on the road longer thank you very much and who will", "start": 27938.2, "end": 27945.36}, {"text": "be doing the safety certification safety certificates are uh", "start": 27945.36, "end": 27951.76}, {"text": "each driver does it with um they can go to any licensed um auto shop in in the", "start": 27951.76, "end": 27958.558}, {"text": "city and they submit it to us as part of their renewal okay", "start": 27958.558, "end": 27964.28}, {"text": "and uh I think that's my final question so thank you very", "start": 27964.28, "end": 27969.798}, {"text": "much um counselor I just have a quick question to you because", "start": 27969.798, "end": 27975.878}, {"text": "you uh would you be able to take something to TDC board to see if you", "start": 27975.878, "end": 27982.878}, {"text": "they are interested in doing a centralized dispatch service for real chance if not someone needs to do it", "start": 27982.878, "end": 27990.28}, {"text": "then come back here uh through you to you", "start": 27990.28, "end": 27996.16}, {"text": "uh um it would be helpful if there was some sort of direction from executive", "start": 27996.798, "end": 28002.08}, {"text": "committee uh making this request formally in terms of um yes it would be", "start": 28002.08, "end": 28007.878}, {"text": "helpful to have some sort of formal request thank you uh back to you Deputy Mayor mowy", "start": 28007.878, "end": 28016.2}, {"text": "thank you I think it's always important that it's top of M uh so I'll ask the question what is the problem we're trying to solve", "start": 28016.2, "end": 28023.84}, {"text": "um uh thank you for the question we've received a number of directives on this indust with respect to this industry", "start": 28023.84, "end": 28031.08}, {"text": "we've seen significant growth uh with private transportation companies and drivers and um we feel it's appropriate", "start": 28031.08, "end": 28039.12}, {"text": "after a Year's worth of extensive study extensive research extensive", "start": 28039.12, "end": 28044.318}, {"text": "consultation to stem the growth of this particular industry while while", "start": 28044.318, "end": 28049.638}, {"text": "considering the important uh policy goals of uh making sure we're not making", "start": 28049.638, "end": 28056.44}, {"text": "congestion worse making sure we're cognizant of emissions and cognizant of the impact of this industry on Transit", "start": 28056.44, "end": 28064.52}, {"text": "um so with that you come up with a cap of 8,426 so what's the technical basis for", "start": 28064.52, "end": 28072.318}, {"text": "choosing that number it seems arbitrary to just say because it's December 1st this year and when is this", "start": 28072.318, "end": 28079.958}, {"text": "effective uh it would be effective once Council uh decides what you decide", "start": 28079.958, "end": 28085.92}, {"text": "December 17819 um it is not an arbitrary number it's based on a Year's worth of research", "start": 28085.92, "end": 28092.478}, {"text": "and it's the it's based on a time in that we could Clearly say uh December", "start": 28092.478, "end": 28097.52}, {"text": "1st we would allow drivers to come in to this space as of um November 30th what", "start": 28097.52, "end": 28103.798}, {"text": "would be arbitrary would be going back to 50 or 40 or 20 we do not have the the", "start": 28103.798, "end": 28109.08}, {"text": "data that supports that so in the Motions uh on December 13th council", "start": 28109.08, "end": 28114.6}, {"text": "meeting last year um one of the things you were asked to report on was limits", "start": 28114.6, "end": 28119.638}, {"text": "based on total license numbers versus the total number on the road at any given time I don't see anything around", "start": 28119.638, "end": 28125.76}, {"text": "being on the road so if this is about congestion um I think the ride share companies have said they have the", "start": 28125.76, "end": 28131.04}, {"text": "ability to geofence or to say within an area too many cars on the road at this", "start": 28131.04, "end": 28136.08}, {"text": "time have we explored that further and where in this report do you cover reporting back on the number that are on", "start": 28136.08, "end": 28144.44}, {"text": "road or in service as opposed to number of licenses so I'll start and then I'll pass it over to my colleagues in", "start": 28144.44, "end": 28150.318}, {"text": "transportation services we know that 8,429 is the number as of December 1st", "start": 28150.318, "end": 28157.718}, {"text": "that is the number of people that are uh licensed with us those are drivers we", "start": 28157.718, "end": 28162.76}, {"text": "also know that many of them work part-time and the more accurate number is 26,000 that do a trip per day um", "start": 28162.76, "end": 28171.92}, {"text": "where they locate that that does become more challenging but I'll see if uh Mr Coleman wants any to add", "start": 28171.92, "end": 28178.68}, {"text": "anything uh through the mirror the the the thing only thing I would add in here is that we currently have", "start": 28178.68, "end": 28185.6}, {"text": "information uh about how many uh how many licensed drivers there are on the", "start": 28185.6, "end": 28190.798}, {"text": "road every day so that's the 26,000 number that that Carlton said what we don't have is we don't have real-time", "start": 28190.798, "end": 28196.12}, {"text": "access to data so we get data a month two after the fact on how many how many trips were made how many people were in", "start": 28196.12, "end": 28202.08}, {"text": "downtown Toronto so so we don't have we don't have access to information to be able to on the Fly regulate how many how", "start": 28202.08, "end": 28208.84}, {"text": "many vehicles are online and platforms um cross boundary uh I'm somebody that lives on", "start": 28208.84, "end": 28215.76}, {"text": "the edge with another municipality how do licenses work between municipalities so uh do you need a license if you live", "start": 28215.76, "end": 28223.12}, {"text": "in Durham and you're dropping in Toronto or once you come into Toronto how does it work for cross boundary", "start": 28223.12, "end": 28229.16}, {"text": "thank you for the question if you live in Pickering your neighboring municipality you would be required to be", "start": 28229.16, "end": 28235}, {"text": "licensed with Pickering uh to drop off you would not be required to have a license with Toronto if you want to pick", "start": 28235, "end": 28241.798}, {"text": "up to go back to Pickering from Scarboro you would need a Toronto", "start": 28241.798, "end": 28247.12}, {"text": "license and is that problematic then does this mean that we could create a situation where people are getting", "start": 28247.12, "end": 28252.68}, {"text": "licenses in Durham York and Peele driving into downtown Toronto to pick somebody up it would be", "start": 28252.68, "end": 28259.12}, {"text": "most efficient from a greenhouse gas perspective if they could do a return trip back but we're limiting that with", "start": 28259.12, "end": 28264.798}, {"text": "this cap yeah it's just it's difficult", "start": 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uh you know being at the", "start": 28309.16, "end": 28314.478}, {"text": "mayor's Arts Galla last year and late at night missing a GO train and taking a taxi and instead or taking an Uber um so", "start": 28314.478, "end": 28321.718}, {"text": "given that I'm just wondering what potential impacts does this have on suburbs your report does say that it", "start": 28321.718, "end": 28329.2}, {"text": "could result in people with licensing focusing on the downtown because there's", "start": 28329.2, "end": 28334.76}, {"text": "potential to have higher pickup and higher turnover as opposed to those long haul trips or spending time in the", "start": 28334.76, "end": 28340.76}, {"text": "suburbs so thank you for the question we recognize uh this and Equity was is one", "start": 28340.76, "end": 28345.958}, {"text": "of the main considerations in the preparation of our report we consider geographical fairness uh as well as", "start": 28345.958, "end": 28352.52}, {"text": "access to transit in our recommendations it it is a it is a", "start": 28352.52, "end": 28357.558}, {"text": "challenge um it is not perfect uh but all of those from equity and geography", "start": 28357.558, "end": 28363.52}, {"text": "uh were considered in the re recommendations put before you and Jesse may have something to add yeah I just", "start": 28363.52, "end": 28369.92}, {"text": "add in add in that we were trying to balance a number of these factors in in the analysis and the recommendations we", "start": 28369.92, "end": 28376.24}, {"text": "came up with and one of the key ports that we're bringing forward is a is a monitoring framework so that we can look", "start": 28376.24, "end": 28382.798}, {"text": "keep on looking at questions just like this over the course of the year to see to see what's happening and have that", "start": 28382.798, "end": 28388.958}, {"text": "information visible visible to counselors and the public going", "start": 28388.958, "end": 28394.04}, {"text": "forward it is oh I'm sorry um my", "start": 28395.318, "end": 28400.878}, {"text": "apology um any other questions to h councel Carol", "start": 28400.878, "end": 28409.398}, {"text": "um yes well well uh councelor Meyers asked a lot of I was going to zero in on the accessibility pieces I didn't think", "start": 28409.398, "end": 28416.12}, {"text": "anybody else was um but we we did have I", "start": 28416.12, "end": 28421.52}, {"text": "guess the first question is the overarching one a couple of the deput talked about why are you going here at", "start": 28421.52, "end": 28426.68}, {"text": "all why are you trying to incentiv uh incentivize accessibility programs into to ride share when you're", "start": 28426.68, "end": 28435.16}, {"text": "Contracting uh C cab companies to to uh perform for wheel trans and they're also", "start": 28435.16, "end": 28442.08}, {"text": "through their own dispatch uh deploying accessibility Vehicles why are we incentivizing into", "start": 28442.08, "end": 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okay and as to the last", "start": 28592.478, "end": 28598.28}, {"text": "question as to the extending the lifespan I especially with with", "start": 28598.28, "end": 28604.36}, {"text": "wheelchair adapted Vehicles because that gets expensive I get I get extending", "start": 28604.36, "end": 28609.52}, {"text": "Beyond 10 years most of them are Toyota siennas that those are the ones that I experienced with my dad and that that is", "start": 28609.52, "end": 28616.2}, {"text": "a long lasting vehicle but when we talk about the the the length and extending", "start": 28616.2, "end": 28622.12}, {"text": "that's if that vehicle is showing itself to still be roadworthy you we could in", "start": 28622.12, "end": 28627.318}, {"text": "an inspection say I don't know what you've been doing with this car but it didn't make it to 15 years and that you", "start": 28627.318, "end": 28633}, {"text": "would have the right to pull that car off the road or not to license it am I am I right about that that's the case in", "start": 28633, "end": 28638.718}, {"text": "any of our licensing regime is it not the short answer is that's correct okay", "start": 28638.718, "end": 28644.36}, {"text": "okay just checking thank you those are my questions thanks Madam mayor", "start": 28644.36, "end": 28649.92}, {"text": "other questions to staff going once no okay um", "start": 28649.92, "end": 28658.92}, {"text": "those that are online uh Council uh Thompson sax mik no", "start": 28658.92, "end": 28667.04}, {"text": "uh anyone want to speak that are not part of the committee councelor Meyers no okay uh speaker on this issue anyone", "start": 28667.04, "end": 28678.958}, {"text": "okay deputy mayor uh Molly um just a few brief comments U", "start": 28678.958, "end": 28685.6}, {"text": "Madame mayor thank you I want to say thank you to all of the individuals who took the time to join us today and share about their lived experience uh whether", "start": 28685.6, "end": 28692.6}, {"text": "they are within the industry have been there for dedicated their career and and many generations um I know it's been a a", "start": 28692.6, "end": 28699.718}, {"text": "tough time for folks within the taxi industry specifically as we've seen this um technology and digital world emerge", "start": 28699.718, "end": 28707.558}, {"text": "um and I do think it's important that we continue to listen closely and to hear from folks about those experiences and", "start": 28707.558, "end": 28713.638}, {"text": "do our best to ensure that there's a Level Playing Field here um for all members uh who want to make a career", "start": 28713.638, "end": 28719.76}, {"text": "within this industry um so I know there's a motion coming forward uh and I won't speak to that it's not mine um but", "start": 28719.76, "end": 28726.28}, {"text": "I will be supporting uh the motion um and uh I look forward to to continuing", "start": 28726.28, "end": 28731.318}, {"text": "to have this really important conversation as we've heard there's implications across so many", "start": 28731.318, "end": 28736.84}, {"text": "considerations whether it's Equity whether it's livable wages whether it's um congestion and um you know um", "start": 28736.84, "end": 28744.52}, {"text": "accessible uh mobility and transportation options uh and I know we will continue as a council to be seized", "start": 28744.52, "end": 28750.44}, {"text": "with this um and look forward to the ongoing discussion thank you Madame mayor thank you councelor", "start": 28750.44, "end": 28758.28}, {"text": "fer uh I just want to thank everybody that came today uh to talk about this", "start": 28758.28, "end": 28763.878}, {"text": "issue and thank the staff for that report it was full of so much information", "start": 28763.878, "end": 28769.2}, {"text": "that in particular I was so surprised to see when we're talking about congestion", "start": 28769.2, "end": 28774.798}, {"text": "thank you that 14% of all the cars in downtown are uh with a PTC I I can't", "start": 28774.798, "end": 28782.638}, {"text": "tell you how surprised I was when I read that and thought here we are we're attacking congestion we're doing what we", "start": 28782.638, "end": 28788.638}, {"text": "can do about congestion somebody thinks that bike lanes are the congestion and", "start": 28788.638, "end": 28794.04}, {"text": "we have a few bike Lanes downtown we have Sherburn we we have Richmond we have Adelaide we still have University", "start": 28794.04, "end": 28801.84}, {"text": "which is actually very very safe route um but they don't appear to be the main", "start": 28801.84, "end": 28807.04}, {"text": "problem for congestion in the downtown core so how we I'm I'm hoping that", "start": 28807.04, "end": 28812.718}, {"text": "somehow we can think about that number and plan around this particularly if if", "start": 28812.718, "end": 28820.478}, {"text": "cars are simply driving with nobody in them this is a problem I also I'm not", "start": 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you don't have a sign on you when you're", "start": 28864.16, "end": 28870}, {"text": "making the holding doing 180s uh you don't have a sign when", "start": 28870, "end": 28875.798}, {"text": "you're holding up traffic you don't have a sign I think it's just very unfair because we don't know who you are and if", "start": 28875.798, "end": 28882.52}, {"text": "you are a commercial vehicle a taxi has to have a sign a taxi has to have a marking", "start": 28882.52, "end": 28888.638}, {"text": "and City trucks have to everybody does so this is a problem I think and I don't know what the percentage is I think it's", "start": 28888.638, "end": 28895.44}, {"text": "very very high along anyway any of the routes that I'm going on so what would", "start": 28895.44, "end": 28900.52}, {"text": "be the fix for that but this is a very thoughtful thought-provoking report I", "start": 28900.52, "end": 28906.6}, {"text": "was happy or or not happy to hear from drivers about their issues with surge", "start": 28906.6, "end": 28912.398}, {"text": "pricing I think that's probably not very fair when I get in the taxi I know what my rate and my fair is going to be if I", "start": 28912.398, "end": 28919.52}, {"text": "get in the limo like I did to come home from a wedding I know the price it's not", "start": 28919.52, "end": 28926}, {"text": "oh here's a higher number because it's a busy time so some of those issues and I", "start": 28926, "end": 28932.6}, {"text": "don't think the staff are asked to think about those or write about those but they have really come up today and I'm", "start": 28932.6, "end": 28938.92}, {"text": "really I I'd really like some more thinking on that whether it's between now and Council or whatever however", "start": 28938.92, "end": 28944.16}, {"text": "we're going to do that to know more because it affects people's Liv lives it affects everybody who's living downtown", "start": 28944.16, "end": 28950.478}, {"text": "it affects all those kinds of things I do uh understand that here we are it's the happy season um so people do need to", "start": 28950.478, "end": 28959.2}, {"text": "be able to get around New Year's Eve the TTC is free it would be great if Weber drop their prices on New Year's Eve but", "start": 28959.2, "end": 28966.798}, {"text": "I don't know if that will happen I know what happens with the taxis so let's just have a very safe season where", "start": 28966.798, "end": 28972.718}, {"text": "everybody can move around while we continue to work on this we've been at many many meeting for taxis for Ubers", "start": 28972.718, "end": 28980.12}, {"text": "for everything in this first of all the committee now we're at executive and this was by and Far Far and Away just", "start": 28980.12, "end": 28987.318}, {"text": "kind of the best the best discussion that we've had in in many years here today", "start": 28987.318, "end": 28994.318}, {"text": "thanks thank you um I see two uh", "start": 28994.318, "end": 29000.36}, {"text": "counselor perks and uh deputy mayor mcy uh Carol", "start": 29000.36, "end": 29008.12}, {"text": "I'll insert myself just before you folks if that's okay I'll time it too", "start": 29008.12, "end": 29015.28}, {"text": "okay thank you mayor Chow just one second I was just going to speak first I want to put my motion in yeah and then", "start": 29015.28, "end": 29022.52}, {"text": "uh perks MCA and Carol okay um", "start": 29022.52, "end": 29028.558}, {"text": "we thank the people coming out to speak we heard the desperation of a lot of", "start": 29028.558, "end": 29036.44}, {"text": "drivers we also heard a lot of anger especially from taxi drivers they've", "start": 29036.44, "end": 29042}, {"text": "driven all these years and they have invested their entire life driving and", "start": 29042, "end": 29049.52}, {"text": "hoping that they could retire with some dignity with some savings with a plate", "start": 29049.52, "end": 29054.68}, {"text": "that is worth anything and then income Uber and LT and others that destroyed", "start": 29054.68, "end": 29062.52}, {"text": "the entire model the taxi model where the", "start": 29062.52, "end": 29067.84}, {"text": "taxi model was that we give them the license we directly license we also", "start": 29067.84, "end": 29074.2}, {"text": "directly yes I've mov the motion just hang on a second um Clerk's having a hard time we we gave", "start": 29074.2, "end": 29082.478}, {"text": "the um we we provided them with uh with", "start": 29082.478, "end": 29087.958}, {"text": "license we kept we we dealt with fairs we regulated fairs there's rate cards", "start": 29087.958, "end": 29093.718}, {"text": "there's protection of consumers there's so much work done on the taxi side of", "start": 29093.718, "end": 29100.36}, {"text": "things in Insurance Etc and then here come Uber and everything is upside down", "start": 29100.36, "end": 29107.16}, {"text": "it is so upside down that we are that people are now earning the Uber D $6 an", "start": 29107.16, "end": 29115.04}, {"text": "hour you can't live with $6 an hour which is", "start": 29115.04, "end": 29121.638}, {"text": "impossible so the staff we've given the Tas for the staff and they did hard work", "start": 29121.638, "end": 29128.878}, {"text": "they've invited 76,800 people for consultation in the", "start": 29128.878, "end": 29134.36}, {"text": "month of June to July of this year they have uh", "start": 29134.36, "end": 29140.04}, {"text": "3,224 consultation participants with users over a thousand", "start": 29140.04, "end": 29145.478}, {"text": "users 121 with accessibility needs they", "start": 29145.478, "end": 29150.76}, {"text": "asked the taxi in the limo industry with 292 folks uh industry PTC industry", "start": 29150.76, "end": 29158.958}, {"text": "stakeholders Five Town Halls 320 attendees and many of you submitted", "start": 29158.958, "end": 29165.878}, {"text": "emails feedbacks and yet this morning I was told by one of the company Uber to", "start": 29165.878, "end": 29171}, {"text": "be precise that somehow we did not consult excuse me that is definitely not", "start": 29171, "end": 29177.24}, {"text": "the case the staff did good work they consulted they spoke to a whole lot of", "start": 29177.24, "end": 29182.6}, {"text": "people the report that two report but the report that is specifically where we deal with is really", "start": 29182.6, "end": 29190.798}, {"text": "comprehensive there's a lot of materials in here one of them is on Wheel trans", "start": 29190.798, "end": 29196.92}, {"text": "and there are a lot of things we need to do with wheel trans uh that uh talks", "start": 29196.92, "end": 29202.36}, {"text": "about um any number of items that we should do one of which is centralize the", "start": 29202.36, "end": 29208.04}, {"text": "uh uh the the dispatch", "start": 29208.04, "end": 29213.76}, {"text": "Etc having said all that however for providing grants to wheelchair uh", "start": 29213.76, "end": 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"end": 29273.36}, {"text": "surging with price card all of that and I understand all of that need so the", "start": 29273.36, "end": 29281.398}, {"text": "recommendation there's a long series of motions that is in front of you that's", "start": 29281.398, "end": 29288.44}, {"text": "been circulated to all of you there's three part well actually there are um", "start": 29288.44, "end": 29295.36}, {"text": "many parts motions all the way up to uh Jay and asking I tried my team tried to", "start": 29295.36, "end": 29305.718}, {"text": "take all the concerns that you folks have that I'm hearing today Consolidated", "start": 29305.718, "end": 29311.2}, {"text": "it and say let's give it another try let's see if we could do better um", "start": 29311.2, "end": 29317.52}, {"text": "whether it is the on the wheel wheel trans side or the capping side or the um", "start": 29317.52, "end": 29325.84}, {"text": "whether we could do licensing ourselves uh how do we protect consumers", "start": 29325.84, "end": 29332.2}, {"text": "all of that I'm at five minute so I just want to leave you with one thing", "start": 29332.2, "end": 29338.36}, {"text": "of all of these are newcomers I get it my dad when he couldn't find a job", "start": 29338.36, "end": 29344.718}, {"text": "teaching he got a taxi Li he got a taxi uh license he tried driving taxis", "start": 29344.718, "end": 29353.878}, {"text": "it didn't get very far because he couldn't figure it out because this is before GPS days and I see that a lot of", "start": 29353.878, "end": 29361.958}, {"text": "immigrants coming to this country when they can't find a job that's where they go so it's really they're vulnerable and", "start": 29361.958, "end": 29370.28}, {"text": "we have to do it properly do it right so that the drivers are protected to", "start": 29370.28, "end": 29375.44}, {"text": "Consumers protected so everything is transparent right now everything is opaque and no one is clear as to who is", "start": 29375.44, "end": 29383.36}, {"text": "earning what and why is that dollar amount being charged right so especially when there's price surging since there's", "start": 29383.36, "end": 29390.478}, {"text": "no cap on on there's no fair card so the recommendations in front of all of you", "start": 29390.478, "end": 29396.718}, {"text": "and I welcome your comment on it thank you um Council perks question", "start": 29396.718, "end": 29404.68}, {"text": "yeah um um may I have uh councelor anley to chair the committee while I answer", "start": 29404.68, "end": 29411.798}, {"text": "questions oh you can answer you can do it from there you can answer well yeah okay go for it only counil yeah and it's", "start": 29411.798, "end": 29419.318}, {"text": "friendly okay thank you for being friendly uh so yeah my I think I think", "start": 29419.318, "end": 29426}, {"text": "your motion addresses my concern so I just want to make sure um I'm understanding it because it did just", "start": 29426, "end": 29432.398}, {"text": "come up um so will this address or has", "start": 29432.398, "end": 29437.558}, {"text": "have the potential to address cross boundary and look at yes it does okay it said jurisdictional scan and it also", "start": 29437.558, "end": 29445.16}, {"text": "talk about do a neighborhood municipalities data on number of licensed private transportation company", "start": 29445.16, "end": 29451.958}, {"text": "drivers in Toronto who also hold licenses in neighborhood municipalities and how many trips and outside the city", "start": 29451.958, "end": 29458.76}, {"text": "of Toronto's boundaries because we know that we that um boundaries matters and", "start": 29458.76, "end": 29465.92}, {"text": "then likewise as you look through this issue of congestion is it looking at it", "start": 29465.92, "end": 29472}, {"text": "more um within the city of Toronto for example and this question of where they are at any given time and if we were to", "start": 29472, "end": 29478}, {"text": "put in a cap on the number trying to do it in a way that's more evidence based", "start": 29478, "end": 29483.08}, {"text": "around congestion and in what parts of the city and AB okay great okay so little", "start": 29483.08, "end": 29489.52}, {"text": "holistic let me be more precise because we find it in the downtown core there's", "start": 29489.52, "end": 29496.04}, {"text": "14.2% of all vehicles are vehicle for hire whereas in say Scaro topico in", "start": 29496.04, "end": 29504.28}, {"text": "North York is 3.6% right to be precise and you have some it's hard for me to", "start": 29504.28, "end": 29510.558}, {"text": "get here in hope not that many uh on a week day there uh yeah so we get it um", "start": 29510.558, "end": 29519.68}, {"text": "it's only 3.6% and the congestion is not as severe in those areas whereas in downtown of", "start": 29519.68, "end": 29528.16}, {"text": "the 14.2% right out of 10 cars at Le 1.5", "start": 29528.16, "end": 29534.2}, {"text": "cars are Uber and they are driving 30% of the time empty right so they're", "start": 29534.2, "end": 29540.24}, {"text": "running around in circles looking for or parked or somewhere causing", "start": 29540.24, "end": 29546.12}, {"text": "congestion because 33% of the time these cars are empty it's bad for the drivers", "start": 29546.12, "end": 29552.84}, {"text": "it's very hard for downtown traffic and uh it's not helping anyone thank", "start": 29552.84, "end": 29558.76}, {"text": "you any other questions counselor Carol questions okay councel perks to speak", "start": 29558.76, "end": 29564.52}, {"text": "and then Deputy Mayor Meli and car and then councel perk Carol thank you mayor", "start": 29564.52, "end": 29570.798}, {"text": "chair online as well you can who oh and coun uh m thank you councilor perks yeah", "start": 29570.798, "end": 29579.558}, {"text": "if you could start the clock um thank you taxis are", "start": 29579.558, "end": 29584.92}, {"text": "hard uh and they always seem to come back and I think the reason taxis are so", "start": 29584.92, "end": 29591.52}, {"text": "hard is because there's an awful lot of money at stake there is a lot of money", "start": 29591.52, "end": 29597.6}, {"text": "at stake if you're one of the Venture capitalists who floated the loans to Uber to come up to Toronto you've been", "start": 29597.6, "end": 29604.28}, {"text": "reaping a pretty handsome reward but that money has come out of the pockets of the people who provide the", "start": 29604.28, "end": 29611.92}, {"text": "service and it's come in it out of the quality of life in the city of", "start": 29611.92, "end": 29618}, {"text": "Toronto our job is not our job is not to worry about whether Uber or lift or back", "start": 29618, "end": 29625.958}, {"text": "or or someone in the industry is making a healthy profit our job is to look", "start": 29625.958, "end": 29631.08}, {"text": "after the public interest and we have been trying ever since Uber arrived in", "start": 29631.08, "end": 29636.2}, {"text": "the city of Toronto to find a way to do that and they arrived illegally and and", "start": 29636.2, "end": 29642.84}, {"text": "I just want to take us back to a moment when we came close and I actually went online and checked that fine publication", "start": 29642.84, "end": 29649.798}, {"text": "the Toronto Star for their report on what happened in 2016 and just to jog my", "start": 29649.798, "end": 29655}, {"text": "memory and here's what happened the mayor of Toronto that day John Tori uh", "start": 29655, "end": 29661.12}, {"text": "appointed his chief of staff and Deputy Mayor Denzel Min and Wong to negotiate", "start": 29661.12, "end": 29666.318}, {"text": "with myself and former counselor Janet Davis to see how we could do this and we", "start": 29666.318, "end": 29672.318}, {"text": "came up with an agreement that would have put a cap on the total number of", "start": 29672.318, "end": 29677.92}, {"text": "licenses required regular vehicle inspections and safety installed tools", "start": 29677.92, "end": 29684.558}, {"text": "to make sure that driver or passengers were safe all the time that came up with", "start": 29684.558, "end": 29690.6}, {"text": "efficiency studies to make sure that we didn't create congestion and drive people off the TTC that dealt with", "start": 29690.6, "end": 29697.76}, {"text": "accessibility and fair pricing and we shook hands on it we shook hands on it and we were", "start": 29697.76, "end": 29705.2}, {"text": "ready to go but you know it was John Tori so at the last moment he got cold feet hi Vic and we lost that deal and", "start": 29705.2, "end": 29714.878}, {"text": "here we are and here we are struggling with exactly the", "start": 29714.878, "end": 29720.2}, {"text": "problems exactly the problems we all predicted we would have if we didn't put", "start": 29720.2, "end": 29725.398}, {"text": "on a cap if we didn't control the licensing if we didn't control for emissions and we didn't control for", "start": 29725.398, "end": 29733.398}, {"text": "accessibility and here's the thing that I think you all need to know at the moment when we shook hands on that", "start": 29733.398, "end": 29740.318}, {"text": "agreement mayor tor's chief of staff and Deputy M mayor Denzel Min and Wong", "start": 29740.318, "end": 29746.84}, {"text": "assured us that Uber had agreed that's right Uber agreed to us", "start": 29746.84, "end": 29754.238}, {"text": "regulating them in the public interest so when they come in here and make their", "start": 29754.238, "end": 29760.44}, {"text": "threats about lawsuits and they and they mobilize their public C their campaigns", "start": 29760.44, "end": 29766.84}, {"text": "and they get their drivers telling people in Toronto things that aren't true plant your", "start": 29766.84, "end": 29772.798}, {"text": "feet plant your feet hang tough we can do", "start": 29772.798, "end": 29777.958}, {"text": "this now we've done some good work to date the the the data that City staff", "start": 29777.958, "end": 29784.2}, {"text": "and their Consultants have provided us with is the good framework for an", "start": 29784.2, "end": 29789.36}, {"text": "understanding In This Moment we've had a discussion with people in the industry", "start": 29789.36, "end": 29794.6}, {"text": "and people who you know drive and people who are were former owners and we've learned a little bit more and what may", "start": 29794.6, "end": 29801.36}, {"text": "Chow is doing is saying take that little bit more and let's establish the", "start": 29801.36, "end": 29806.76}, {"text": "regulations that we that we need to do our job which is to protect the public", "start": 29806.76, "end": 29814.638}, {"text": "interest and when we're doing that and when you're having conversations with lobbyists and you're getting ready for", "start": 29814.638, "end": 29821.398}, {"text": "the next debate remember Uber was willing to make concessions on all of", "start": 29821.398, "end": 29828.36}, {"text": "this but you know like a kid when you give them candy for breakfast they're", "start": 29828.36, "end": 29834.398}, {"text": "going to want candy for lunch the former mayor made a mistake when he made too many concessions and", "start": 29834.398, "end": 29841.52}, {"text": "we're going to fight have to fight hard to claw it all back but we can do it", "start": 29841.52, "end": 29848.84}, {"text": "thank thank you thank you councelor perks for", "start": 29849.638, "end": 29857.16}, {"text": "that history lesson hindsight yes um unfortunate um", "start": 29857.16, "end": 29865.76}, {"text": "deputy mayor mowy uh thank you Madame mayor and thank", "start": 29865.76, "end": 29871.16}, {"text": "you for your motion earlier it's addressing some of the concerns that that I had with the report was before us", "start": 29871.16, "end": 29877.718}, {"text": "and in particular I'll give an example of why so I live on the Eastern edge of the city my sister who I love dearly", "start": 29877.718, "end": 29885.36}, {"text": "there we set it on public record uh lives 10 kilometers away but she lives in Pickering for me to take public", "start": 29885.36, "end": 29891.52}, {"text": "transit to visit my sister I have to walk 12 minutes to the bus take take one bus get off the bus switch to a second", "start": 29891.52, "end": 29898.798}, {"text": "bus and then walk eight minutes that is a total trip of 52 minutes I can take an", "start": 29898.798, "end": 29904.798}, {"text": "Uber and be there in 16 uh so this is about people having more choice on how", "start": 29904.798, "end": 29910.238}, {"text": "they get around especially throughout the suburbs more time with their families and it also underscores the", "start": 29910.238, "end": 29917.318}, {"text": "important need we have to build Transit through the East which we are doing and under leadership of of many people that", "start": 29917.318, "end": 29923.398}, {"text": "are here in this room but we can't forget that that is the bottom line for people it is time and their time and how", "start": 29923.398, "end": 29930.558}, {"text": "they spend their time now in downtown Toronto a lot of times it's actually faster for you to go underground into to", "start": 29930.558, "end": 29936.84}, {"text": "hop on the subway and you can get where you need to go much faster and so that is a viable choice and the best choice", "start": 29936.84, "end": 29943.36}, {"text": "and the way we certainly want people to get around so um I think that as much as we always want to have policies that are", "start": 29943.36, "end": 29951.08}, {"text": "the same everywhere in this city we can't forget that the lived experiences", "start": 29951.08, "end": 29956.2}, {"text": "of people in the city are very different based on where you live geographically so um I think it's good that we're", "start": 29956.2, "end": 29963.44}, {"text": "having another thought at this and uh looking digging deep into those issues in particular with how it can impact uh", "start": 29963.44, "end": 29972.2}, {"text": "people in the suburbs disproportionately and what impacts it can have on Cross boundary um because many of us work live", "start": 29972.2, "end": 29979.318}, {"text": "in play in one Community um but also might work live and play another so you're Crossing back and forth on", "start": 29979.318, "end": 29985.238}, {"text": "different things so um the other issue that it's good we're having another look", "start": 29985.238, "end": 29990.52}, {"text": "at is congestion if we want to look at congestion there are technological tools", "start": 29990.52, "end": 29995.68}, {"text": "that we can Implement where we're putting Geo fences in and we're monitoring number of vehicles on at a", "start": 29995.68, "end": 30001.638}, {"text": "certain time and we could look at approaches that say we'll have X number of cars within this area during rush", "start": 30001.638, "end": 30007.798}, {"text": "hour and set the limits that way as opposed to based on total licenses and I think if we really want to com combat", "start": 30007.798, "end": 30015.12}, {"text": "congestion uh we need to be Innovative uh around that and uh and we need to to", "start": 30015.12, "end": 30022}, {"text": "dig a little bit deeper so I'm happy that your motion does just that does", "start": 30022, "end": 30027.08}, {"text": "that on both of those and I think that we be in a much better place once that information comes back so thank you", "start": 30027.08, "end": 30033.558}, {"text": "thank you uh councelor", "start": 30033.558, "end": 30038.2}, {"text": "Carol uh yes um uh first of all on the on the the referral motion I supported I", "start": 30038.92, "end": 30046.16}, {"text": "my my input into it was on the uh getting the cost and cost benefit", "start": 30046.16, "end": 30051.558}, {"text": "analysis with respect to the uh the dispatch system um and I really 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that it's not only able to do this job that it's doing with people in it uh", "start": 30194.68, "end": 30200.76}, {"text": "myself and staff rod in them through the middle of San Francisco and up and down the freeway to Silicon Valley to do our", "start": 30200.76, "end": 30206.878}, {"text": "our work um and it's not only doing that they're also selling the data to to", "start": 30206.878, "end": 30215.04}, {"text": "companies that are using small language model AI firms to to take that data and", "start": 30215.04, "end": 30220.878}, {"text": "actually create actual information that then can go to police to do congestion", "start": 30220.878, "end": 30226.638}, {"text": "management and traffic management AO going by can send a message to the", "start": 30226.638, "end": 30231.76}, {"text": "police saying there's this guy who drives right by street cars when the doors are open and our data shows us", "start": 30231.76, "end": 30238.2}, {"text": "he's done it three times it's time to 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who has met and reached out to me in my", "start": 30371.28, "end": 30377.76}, {"text": "office over the many weeks and who have been working closely on this issue uh", "start": 30377.76, "end": 30382.958}, {"text": "from the time that councelor uh perks had mentioned to to uh those who are", "start": 30382.958, "end": 30388.2}, {"text": "looking at the issues that we have to Grapple with as we look forward as councelor Carol um you know alluded to", "start": 30388.2, "end": 30395.08}, {"text": "and there are a significant number of items that do have to be worked through and that's why I'm very pleased to see", "start": 30395.08, "end": 30400.478}, {"text": "uh the mayor's motion and I'm I'm glad to be supporting him it they've already been raised in the in the comments in", "start": 30400.478, "end": 30406.68}, {"text": "this committee but the issues around congestion which we have been taking so seriously in terms of our", "start": 30406.68, "end": 30412.68}, {"text": "responsibilities and our choices at the city and Ure that especially in communities like mine in the downtown", "start": 30412.68, "end": 30419.12}, {"text": "that we are using every lever that we have including around R share to address this issue that equity and access to", "start": 30419.12, "end": 30425.558}, {"text": "work is a key and core principle of how we approach um the issues around share", "start": 30425.558, "end": 30432.718}, {"text": "and that Equity is important to us when we talk about all the different ways", "start": 30432.718, "end": 30438.36}, {"text": "that people are getting around the city when it comes to our public transit system when it comes to our climate leadership and greenhouse gas emissions", "start": 30438.36, "end": 30445.2}, {"text": "and when it comes to your transparency amongst a number of other issues that have been raised I know we have to hold", "start": 30445.2, "end": 30451.558}, {"text": "these issues together as well as looking at 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carry thank you um are there any other item I think", "start": 30626.16, "end": 30636.12}, {"text": "that is it Madam chair we are now at 19 on the SRT item councelor Myers has a", "start": 30636.12, "end": 30642.84}, {"text": "motion which I think gets us out without needing to go in camera that's", "start": 30642.84, "end": 30649.68}, {"text": "and oh okay but we still need to hear some of the deput and then we don't", "start": 30649.68, "end": 30655.958}, {"text": "don't have to go in camera thank you that's very helpful uh Ronda Porter there you are", "start": 30655.958, "end": 30663.2}, {"text": "agent called Village Community Association mad Madam chair we're all years Madam", "start": 30663.2, "end": 30671.44}, {"text": "chair oh councelor Thompson you need something yes a question I understand", "start": 30671.6, "end": 30678.12}, {"text": "from councelor perks that councelor Meyers has a motion that uh doesn't", "start": 30678.12, "end": 30684.12}, {"text": "necessitate him 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will also connect", "start": 30775.84, "end": 30782.238}, {"text": "us to that important new station on the opposite side of maowen road it would", "start": 30782.238, "end": 30788.478}, {"text": "provide access also at Midland and ellsmere where there's already an", "start": 30788.478, "end": 30793.52}, {"text": "elevated station we miss that station terribly but it would allow those of us", "start": 30793.52, "end": 30798.76}, {"text": "who live north of the 401 to easily access all of the amenities all of the", "start": 30798.76, "end": 30804.84}, {"text": "pathways that have been suggested earlier this is a raised structure the", "start": 30804.84, "end": 30810.878}, {"text": "structure is already there let's keep it secondly the Scaro Skyway would provide", "start": 30810.878, "end": 30816.558}, {"text": "green space for the many new residents that will be coming in around the Scarboro Civic Center as has happened in", "start": 30816.558, "end": 30824.958}, {"text": "the West Toronto rail path the public realm amenity space would lend itself to", "start": 30824.958, "end": 30831}, {"text": "things like popups art installations local Artis SS and again it would bring", "start": 30831, "end": 30839}, {"text": "life to that Community it would become a destination for tourists local residents", "start": 30839, "end": 30844.638}, {"text": "and even a destination for those of you in downtown Toronto who might want to learn about the multiculturalism of Scar", "start": 30844.638, "end": 30852.16}, {"text": "bro please consider the future use of this existing raised significant", "start": 30852.16, "end": 30859}, {"text": "structure the Scarboro Skyway must include that raised portion at Midland", "start": 30859, "end": 30864.28}, {"text": "that the raised portion of what is there is really needed the SRT Corridor is a", "start": 30864.28, "end": 30870.12}, {"text": "critical link connecting neighborhoods let's not lose sight of an asset that", "start": 30870.12, "end": 30875.238}, {"text": "would open up scarbro and benefit all who live here who visit here and explore", "start": 30875.238, "end": 30881.36}, {"text": "here much more Community consultation and study are essential for this future", "start": 30881.36, "end": 30887.36}, {"text": "use probably something I would never see but let's look ahead to the future we", "start": 30887.36, "end": 30892.958}, {"text": "trust that the city staff realize how important the scar Skyway is", "start": 30892.958, "end": 30899.398}, {"text": "to Scaro residents thank you for the opportunity yep C counselor matlo", "start": 30899.398, "end": 30908.44}, {"text": "question thank you once again for your patience uh today Roa", "start": 30908.44, "end": 30914.718}, {"text": "um what would this mean to Residents throughout scaron in particular those", "start": 30914.718, "end": 30920.2}, {"text": "who live north of the 401 absolutely give us a gateway to the", "start": 30920.2, "end": 30925.92}, {"text": "rest to actually access uh the Kennedy Station to access South to the meway to", "start": 30925.92, "end": 30933.08}, {"text": "access um out to the the zoo the National Urban Park which is an", "start": 30933.08, "end": 30938.2}, {"text": "important part of the for those of us in the East but it it would provide that", "start": 30938.2, "end": 30943.28}, {"text": "opportunity for cyclists Pro many people in in Scaro cannot own cars do not own", "start": 30943.28, "end": 30950.12}, {"text": "cars they cycle we do not have those connections within Scarboro to be able", "start": 30950.12, "end": 30955.718}, {"text": "to move around scar but we also want to look at this as an opportunity for small", "start": 30955.718, "end": 30961.318}, {"text": "businesses for Artisans because we're losing that component with all of the", "start": 30961.318, "end": 30966.6}, {"text": "condominiums that are being built and just to be clear scow is not obtuse to", "start": 30966.6, "end": 30972.08}, {"text": "the fact that there will be costs there will be challenges this is not easy but you're asking for the time and the", "start": 30972.08, "end": 30978.76}, {"text": "opportunity to engage the scar brro public work with adjacent landowners", "start": 30978.76, "end": 30984.16}, {"text": "work with all stakeholders to find a a feasible path forward", "start": 30984.16, "end": 30989.318}, {"text": "absolutely but when we see the words like to advance in infrastructure", "start": 30989.318, "end": 30994.44}, {"text": "removal in what you're talking about today or consider substantive removal", "start": 30994.44, "end": 31000.238}, {"text": "that really upsets us we also realize that the West rail path which I've been", "start": 31000.238, "end": 31006.68}, {"text": "on which is absolutely fabulous has provincial money perhaps there is an", "start": 31006.68, "end": 31012.68}, {"text": "opportunity here where Scarboro could have some investment from our Province", "start": 31012.68, 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"position is that this should be incorporated into that Vision uh just to help people get around absolutely I'm", "start": 31064.08, "end": 31071.318}, {"text": "all for Mobility for mobility in with pedestrian safe pedestrian access safe", "start": 31071.318, "end": 31078.36}, {"text": "cycling access and with the development that we have we know we need the housing we welcome the housing and I think we", "start": 31078.36, "end": 31085.36}, {"text": "can also work with our developers that we have uh in Scarboro to perhaps be", "start": 31085.36, "end": 31091.878}, {"text": "part of this because it's been done done in other parts uh especially in United", "start": 31091.878, "end": 31097.36}, {"text": "States and it's been very successful let's take an opportunity here step back", "start": 31097.36, "end": 31103.44}, {"text": "and really look at this seriously as to how we could implement this and we", "start": 31103.44, "end": 31108.878}, {"text": "realize it'll be over time not an easy task but let's not shut it down and demolish it right now thank you and you", "start": 31108.878, "end": 31117.238}, {"text": "know you're someone who's very outspoken and direct so I'm I I'm I would love to", "start": 31117.238, "end": 31122.36}, {"text": "get your thoughts on what would happen if we were to build the Scaro Town Center Station where the maowen station", "start": 31122.36, "end": 31129.04}, {"text": "is but not give people a way to safely access the mall how would that play out", "start": 31129.04, "end": 31135.44}, {"text": "I can't imagine that um you have a busy street a north south street that people", "start": 31135.44, "end": 31141.92}, {"text": "use to access the 41 um and then you're going to have people having to cross that busy street", "start": 31141.92, "end": 31149.958}, {"text": "we already have the rail system there we need to take the rails out we know we need to do some work but that structure", "start": 31149.958, "end": 31157.08}, {"text": "over maowen road is already there let's utilize that whenever for whenever the", "start": 31157.08, "end": 31163.68}, {"text": "subway does open and we real 2030 may be really hoping but maybe not", "start": 31163.68, "end": 31170.318}, {"text": "a reality thank you and you know you've done a lot of work on making the community safe it would be unsafe to", "start": 31170.318, "end": 31175.76}, {"text": "have four to 5 thousand people a day trying to cross maowen and get for or even if there was some sort of", "start": 31175.76, "end": 31181.398}, {"text": "underground Bridge from maau Crossing that parking lot to get to the mall absolutely it we know it's costly look", "start": 31181.398, "end": 31188.478}, {"text": "at you know look at Going Underground even for the subway we know let's look at the bridge that's already there let's", "start": 31188.478, "end": 31195.6}, {"text": "augment the bridge that's already there for safety thank you thank you um any", "start": 31195.6, "end": 31203.558}, {"text": "other questions to the deputat thank you for waiting for us and thank you for", "start": 31203.558, "end": 31209.12}, {"text": "being here um okay", "start": 31209.12, "end": 31215.52}, {"text": "uh ha uh alavi am I pron hello can everyone hear", "start": 31215.52, "end": 31221.84}, {"text": "me all right oh there you are okay we are yours perfect uh yeah good evening uh mayor", "start": 31221.84, "end": 31228.558}, {"text": "chow and members of the executive committee I know it's been a long day but uh I uh you guys are sticking", "start": 31228.558, "end": 31234.12}, {"text": "through uh my name is Hafiz and I'm from Central Scaro and a warlord urban planning student and I'm here to urge", "start": 31234.12, "end": 31240.478}, {"text": "you to not demolish the Scaro rti's elevated guideway I really think that we should reimagine this guideway as a", "start": 31240.478, "end": 31247.16}, {"text": "trail or a park a community space that can serve Scaro residents for generations to come demolishing the", "start": 31247.16, "end": 31253.08}, {"text": "guideway would be a shortsighted decision I'm and time again we've seen the city make choices that prioritize", "start": 31253.08, "end": 31258.638}, {"text": "immediate cost savings or development pressures over long-term Vision the result we the citizens pay the price", "start": 31258.638, "end": 31265.76}, {"text": "valuable infrastructure is lost forever leaving us to lament B opportunities for decades let's break that cycle and", "start": 31265.76, "end": 31271.958}, {"text": "create something scarber residents can be proud of they can that they feel that is their own the guideway runs through", "start": 31271.958, "end": 31278.16}, {"text": "an industrial spa space No Doubt um but it's a space that is separate from the communities of surrounds but for Scaro", "start": 31278.16, "end": 31284.76}, {"text": "residents industrial areas um like these are more than just Landscapes they're barriers these neighborhoods are cut off", "start": 31284.76, "end": 31291.478}, {"text": "from each other by busy roads train tracks and fences transforming this Skyway that we have into a Parker Trail", "start": 31291.478, "end": 31297.08}, {"text": "would Bridge those divides improve connectivity in an area that desperately needs it Scaro has already lost so much", "start": 31297.08, "end": 31303.958}, {"text": "in terms of connectivity access the end of the SRT service is just another example and yet instead of preserving a", "start": 31303.958, "end": 31310.798}, {"text": "piece of our history we are considering destroying it entirely this isn't just about nost it's about taking a resource away from", "start": 31310.798, "end": 31317.318}, {"text": "us that we already had for decades and making it work for our future we don't have to look far for inspiration the New", "start": 31317.318, "end": 31323.558}, {"text": "York's Highline is a shining example of how elevated infrastructure can be repurposed once a deric rail line is now", "start": 31323.558, "end": 31329.16}, {"text": "a world renowned Park that attracts millions of visitors annually provides significant economic benefits and", "start": 31329.16, "end": 31334.718}, {"text": "connects neighborhoods in meaningful ways now I'm not guaranteeing that the SRT will reach to that same economic", "start": 31334.718, "end": 31340.44}, {"text": "level of the Highline considering the current land use context and population density however imagine what's possible", "start": 31340.44, "end": 31346.6}, {"text": "when you choose to think creatively about a built environment instead of let letting it go to waste imagine a future", "start": 31346.6, "end": 31352.04}, {"text": "where Scaro elevated guideway is a vibrant linear Park a space for walking biking Gathering and reconnecting with", "start": 31352.04, "end": 31357.798}, {"text": "their surroundings where cyclists can feel safe going uh from A to B and where residents can feel a sense of Pride and", "start": 31357.798, "end": 31363.478}, {"text": "belonging this is achievable and it's what Scaro deserves the cost of demolition is just Financial it's", "start": 31363.478, "end": 31369.718}, {"text": "cultural and social once it's gone it's gone forever but by keeping the guideway and transforming it we making an", "start": 31369.718, "end": 31375.44}, {"text": "investment into scarber's future a statement that the city values for all its communities and not just the downtown car now I fully understand that", "start": 31375.44, "end": 31382.798}, {"text": "things cost money and especially in our current budget crisis we're always looking at ways to cut corners or cut", "start": 31382.798, "end": 31390.16}, {"text": "costs but what happens is that people are affected by these decisions and really um we need the city to figure out", "start": 31390.16, "end": 31398.08}, {"text": "a way where we can budget and plan for the future instead of being shortsighted", "start": 31398.08, "end": 31403.12}, {"text": "and demolishing what we have let's make the Bold Forward Thinking Choice let's create a lasting Legacy for Scaro and", "start": 31403.12, "end": 31409.52}, {"text": "the city thank you everyone thank you always good to be", "start": 31409.52, "end": 31416.2}, {"text": "bold um any questions to deput seeing none next speaker is", "start": 31416.2, "end": 31423.6}, {"text": "Sabrina Shaden there you", "start": 31423.6, "end": 31428.52}, {"text": "are instit for inclusive economics and sustainable livelihoods", "start": 31433.6, "end": 31441}, {"text": "okay um can someone give her some tech", "start": 31444.84, "end": 31449.558}, {"text": "support okay hello okay", "start": 31450.16, "end": 31458.52}, {"text": "um thank you to the city council for this opportunity so alongside my colleagues Alex Rachel and Julia from", "start": 31458.52, "end": 31464.478}, {"text": "the University of of Toronto we have Consolidated a report on insights and best practices from transit repurposing", "start": 31464.478, "end": 31470.52}, {"text": "projects in collaboration with the iesl so as we now know that Scaro is a region in the city most poorly reserved", "start": 31470.52, "end": 31477.44}, {"text": "uh poorly served with Transit the TTC Rider report reported that there's 91%", "start": 31477.44, "end": 31482.68}, {"text": "of 300 surveyed Scaro Transit user support using the decommission SRT um", "start": 31482.68, "end": 31489.76}, {"text": "for bus travel and Community uses um as cited by the city staff report we're looking at the 2.5 K guideway portion", "start": 31489.76, "end": 31496.558}, {"text": "that's located between ellere station um and 100 m east of mowen now keep this", "start": 31496.558, "end": 31502.16}, {"text": "figure in mind 2.5 kilometers now motivated by the motion brought forth by", "start": 31502.16, "end": 31507.6}, {"text": "councelor Meers we have done extensive research supplemented with 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Ryan gravel as well um so these are the the uh key", "start": 31549.92, "end": 31555.76}, {"text": "themes that we went into our research and this is just a perspective on the cost the 2018 estimate of", "start": 31555.76, "end": 31562.08}, {"text": "decommissioning and demolition of the SRT is purported to be $175 million and", "start": 31562.08, "end": 31568.478}, {"text": "this is an outdated figure we are looking at the total estimate cost of the 11 Street Bridge Park I've converted", "start": 31568.478, "end": 31574.318}, {"text": "it to Canadian dollars is $130 million but we don't need to look far we can look at the total estimated costs of the", "start": 31574.318, "end": 31580.958}, {"text": "bentway linear Park um which is 1.75 underpass of $25", "start": 31580.958, "end": 31588.238}, {"text": "million um which was approved by then Mayor John Tori um after a significant", "start": 31588.238, "end": 31594.318}, {"text": "$25 million donation by Toronto planner Judy Matthews and I purport to you", "start": 31594.318, "end": 31599.718}, {"text": "Madame mayor that your support would be instrumental and this could be your legacy if the demolition does proceed", "start": 31599.718, "end": 31605.958}, {"text": "there will be new 2025 estimated costes which are estimated to balloon while I am no financial analyst the social", "start": 31605.958, "end": 31612.76}, {"text": "benefits of the repurposing project if done right is immeasurable so some of the key case", "start": 31612.76, "end": 31618.478}, {"text": "study findings that we've looked into Scott Katz personally said that they are investing more into the community than", "start": 31618.478, "end": 31624.16}, {"text": "they are in the bricks and the mortar of the project when there's a project stewardship that's undertaken by a", "start": 31624.16, "end": 31629.84}, {"text": "recognized local nonprofit with a credible fiscal Venture um so as to not strain the city's resources it opens up", "start": 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time have you spent working on it we've had our first", "start": 31808.84, "end": 31814.44}, {"text": "community meeting in October 8th I will let um my colleague kumsa Baker speak more on that but we've also had other um", "start": 31814.44, "end": 31821.28}, {"text": "groups from utsc and also um Roda Porto who was also there and other um local", "start": 31821.28, "end": 31827.798}, {"text": "community leaders um that were headlining this project thank you and so", "start": 31827.798, "end": 31833.798}, {"text": "just to be clear it's not just sort of um academics looking at this this is a", "start": 31833.798, "end": 31840.12}, {"text": "pretty broad spectrum of the community of Scaro yes that's correct okay thank", "start": 31840.12, "end": 31845.36}, {"text": "you very much um any other questions for depent", "start": 31845.36, "end": 31850.68}, {"text": "if not thank you uh gulet rally domic", "start": 31850.68, "end": 31858.52}, {"text": "speaker are you here not on the speaker 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disappointing to have this much water being thrown onto this idea it's", "start": 31916.04, "end": 31921.6}, {"text": "it feels like a slap in the face um after the shock of the RT derailment and in the time since the RTD derailed you", "start": 31921.6, "end": 31928.92}, {"text": "know what's City Hall really done well we've been told there's going to be no bus way for three or four years and that", "start": 31928.92, "end": 31935.878}, {"text": "delay honestly calls into question the entire idea of the bus way because you know it's millions of dollars being", "start": 31935.878, "end": 31943.238}, {"text": "invested several years uh too late to benefit current Transit Riders and uh it's really being pushed forward as a", "start": 31943.238, "end": 31949.6}, {"text": "way of getting buses out of the way of drivers rather than something to actually benefit um people in Scarboro", "start": 31949.6, "end": 31955.84}, {"text": "Transit riders today so the rtsd rail the busway is years away and now in this", "start": 31955.84, "end": 31962.318}, {"text": "report we're saying to Scaro you know what don't dream of a better future for the RT Corridor it can't", "start": 31962.318, "end": 31969.76}, {"text": "happen the reality is this is a bit of infrastructure that is going", "start": 31969.76, "end": 31975.44}, {"text": "to it's going through a part of scarb that is going to see enormous growth there are tens of thousands of residents", "start": 31975.44, "end": 31981.638}, {"text": "that are going to be moving into Scarboro Center and this is a part Scaro that will actually be denser than most", "start": 31981.638, "end": 31987.398}, {"text": "of downtown this kind of infrastructure this linear infrastructure it's so rare", "start": 31987.398, "end": 31994.318}, {"text": "it is so rare to have a continuous plot of land like this rather than scattered bits and pieces elsewhere and and the RT", "start": 31994.318, "end": 32000.718}, {"text": "Corridor is worth so much 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um bureaucrats have had the", "start": 32045.318, "end": 32052.76}, {"text": "chance to do their work at their desks when really this should have been an opportunity to have a conversation", "start": 32052.76, "end": 32057.798}, {"text": "between City Home and Community members to to find how to get to yes instead of finding a 100 reasons to say no we're", "start": 32057.798, "end": 32064.84}, {"text": "making these investments in other parts of the city um like the item to extend", "start": 32064.84, "end": 32069.958}, {"text": "invest in extension of the West Toronto rail path that's exactly the kind of vision we need but we need it all over", "start": 32069.958, "end": 32075.44}, {"text": "the city including here in Scarboro and so we're imploring you find a way to let us reimagine this Corridor make it", "start": 32075.44, "end": 32081.478}, {"text": "happen don't don't just give up on us give us the chance to reimagine our Corridor thank you thank you uh last", "start": 32081.478, 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a", "start": 32130.958, "end": 32137.558}, {"text": "letter on this item and I want to highlight a couple of key things in his letter uh firstly uh we urge the city to", "start": 32137.558, "end": 32145.28}, {"text": "continue exploring the technical and F fiscal feasibility of adaptively reusing", "start": 32145.28, "end": 32150.76}, {"text": "the existing scar RT uh we also encourage the city to be ambitious in considering all possibilities including", "start": 32150.76, "end": 32157.798}, {"text": "uh the creation of an iconic project that integrates public space active transportation and spaces for Community", "start": 32157.798, "end": 32163.2}, {"text": "Services arts and culture while enhancing opportunities for the local economy uh the repurpose of the SRT", "start": 32163.2, "end": 32169.638}, {"text": "aligns with the goals of the Institute which aims to Foster vibrant sustainable and Equitable local economies in Scaro", "start": 32169.638, "end": 32176.2}, {"text": "we are committed to facilitating this process by providing spaces for Community engagement at utsc and", "start": 32176.2, "end": 32181.84}, {"text": "leveraging expertise in transportation urban planning and economic development from the University of Toronto's faculty", "start": 32181.84, "end": 32187.638}, {"text": "and researchers on October 8th uh The Institute convened 25 individuals from", "start": 32187.638, "end": 32192.798}, {"text": "local organizations Community groups student leaders and environmental Advocates some of which some of which", "start": 32192.798, "end": 32198.08}, {"text": "you've heard from today for a productive Community conversation on the future of SRT at the U at at University of Toronto", "start": 32198.08, "end": 32205.68}, {"text": "Scarboro uh the event revealed overwhelming support and excitement for keeping the Adaptive reuse of the SRT", "start": 32205.68, "end": 32212.318}, {"text": "existing infrastructure uh for things like Community focused spaces improved act active Transportation networks", "start": 32212.318, "end": 32218.76}, {"text": "Economic Development local business opportunities Recreation sustainability cultural programming uh and", "start": 32218.76, "end": 32225.958}, {"text": "more um we also worked with a group of students at the University of trono scarbro uh you heard from Sabrina with", "start": 32225.958, "end": 32232.36}, {"text": "some of the research and case studies that that we are already looking into uh and we aim to continue to conduct some", "start": 32232.36, "end": 32238.718}, {"text": "of this research to learn from best practices and learnings uh from other case studies both uh local", "start": 32238.718, "end": 32244.798}, {"text": "uh and Beyond uh we believe the city must seriously consider the potential of this project to become a new", "start": 32244.798, "end": 32250.958}, {"text": "transformational and iconic space for scarbro uh given Scar's historical underinvestment in transportation and", "start": 32250.958, "end": 32257.12}, {"text": "Community spaces repurposing the SRT infrastructure presents a unique opportunity to integrate public space", "start": 32257.12, "end": 32262.718}, {"text": "Mobility cultural expression while also Pro promoting local economies", "start": 32262.718, "end": 32269.638}, {"text": "um in summary the the utsc and The Institute stands ready to continue supporting this project uh by providing", "start": 32269.638, "end": 32276.92}, {"text": "expertise facilitating Community engagement collaborating with key stakeholders including the city of Toronto to ensure this project becomes a", "start": 32276.92, "end": 32283.44}, {"text": "model for future infrastructure repurposing in Toronto uh and Beyond and we recognize that there are significant", "start": 32283.44, "end": 32289.798}, {"text": "costs associated with this uh and so we'd rather Focus the cost on uh", "start": 32289.798, "end": 32294.878}, {"text": "supporting the social 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okay and I'll I'll I'm good with", "start": 35062.16, "end": 35069.36}, {"text": "that thank you any other questions to staff in", "start": 35069.36, "end": 35074.48}, {"text": "public speaking um mayor question oh I'm sorry councelor", "start": 35074.48, "end": 35080.52}, {"text": "Thompson uh no problem you can't see me um I wonder if any staff member could um", "start": 35080.52, "end": 35086.916}, {"text": "give me an indication as to um I guess proximity in terms of valuation if a", "start": 35086.916, "end": 35093.88}, {"text": "particular land owner in this area is proposing to build let's say", "start": 35093.88, "end": 35099.52}, {"text": "for um structures that would be in height of um 30 60 or 40 or 50 uh", "start": 35099.52, "end": 35109.32}, {"text": "stories do we have any sort of understanding as to what the valuation would be for such a construct such such", "start": 35109.32, "end": 35117.16}, {"text": "a development on a site in this area true Madam mayor so staff 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35159.916, "end": 35165.16}, {"text": "costs are we have the uh um development at Brimley and uh and progress we have", "start": 35165.16, "end": 35171.16}, {"text": "one in the Oxford side we know what those costs are at least I do and they're in excess of um what uh four", "start": 35171.16, "end": 35178}, {"text": "structures would be let's say at bur at 100 bur Drive for example so so through", "start": 35178, "end": 35183.2}, {"text": "you madam mayor so property appraisals are subjective in nature um until you", "start": 35183.2, "end": 35189.16}, {"text": "undertake an official appraisal um we could undertake to do that but it would take it would take", "start": 35189.16, "end": 35195.116}, {"text": "several weeks to come back with that information thank thank you any other", "start": 35195.116, "end": 35202.52}, {"text": "questions to staff no counselor", "start": 35202.52, "end": 35208.4}, {"text": "Thompson believe this is in your War and then councelor Meyer uh who wants to 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35300, "end": 35307.68}, {"text": "such a highl and or skyways or whatever you want to call it are you know not an", "start": 35307.68, "end": 35313.68}, {"text": "unusual thing many places around the world have tried to replicate New York and I've been to New York I've been to", "start": 35313.68, "end": 35319.2}, {"text": "the Hala area and um many places would like to you know I guess Implement their", "start": 35319.2, "end": 35326}, {"text": "version of it and so on there's a you know enormous cost to it and we know", "start": 35326, "end": 35331.56}, {"text": "it's been stated about the arrangements in New York I've looked at that I've assessed it as well and I've talked to", "start": 35331.56, "end": 35337.596}, {"text": "people in fact who have been very intimately involved with respect to New York and so on the back area of this uh area of my", "start": 35337.596, "end": 35346.116}, {"text": "ward in Scaro is not New York um there is not going to be in my view any", "start": 35346.116, "end": 35352.56}, {"text": "development of of of people living along the corridor I believe that there's", "start": 35352.56, "end": 35357.68}, {"text": "great interest in the community to ensure that we have uh a network that can makes connection", "start": 35357.68, "end": 35363.52}, {"text": "as others have made statements and so on however there is great interest in terms of looking at the example in terms of", "start": 35363.52, "end": 35371.436}, {"text": "the removal of the um M the maowen bridge and how things have opened up and", "start": 35371.436, "end": 35376.88}, {"text": "create great opportunities uh for the community at this moment um equally we", "start": 35376.88, "end": 35382.16}, {"text": "have asset which is the parking lot at uh bushby and grangeway area where the", "start": 35382.16, "end": 35387.96}, {"text": "uh the elevated structure poses a Challen for create and at least for create when they were looking at develop", "start": 35387.96, "end": 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{"text": "haven't really talked about at all what is the actual I on these types of Investments and I think you know based", "start": 35567.8, "end": 35574.116}, {"text": "on what we've heard from the deput it would be quite significant no one in scarbro is under any illusions that this", "start": 35574.116, "end": 35580.84}, {"text": "will be easy um but that's what people from Scarboro are we we don't do things", "start": 35580.84, "end": 35586.08}, {"text": "that are easy you know there was a problem with our hospitals uh we had the oldest hospitals in basically Ontario", "start": 35586.08, "end": 35592.84}, {"text": "and we needed to raise a $100 million and people said we couldn't do it well we've already surpassed that goal uh", "start": 35592.84, "end": 35599.32}, {"text": "with the I love scarbo campaign so there is that level of commitment and pride in", "start": 35599.32, "end": 35605.276}, {"text": "our community and that people will make the investment all we're asking for is", "start": 35605.276, "end": 35611.08}, {"text": "the opportunity to make the case the opportunity to see if this is possible", "start": 35611.08, "end": 35616.916}, {"text": "and if this is not possible that's fine but I don't think this should be a decision by City staff based on you know", "start": 35616.916, "end": 35624.88}, {"text": "their response to uh a letter and whatever potential H yeah I don't think", "start": 35624.88, "end": 35630.56}, {"text": "that should be I'll be careful I don't think there should be a decision based solely on City staff without consulting", "start": 35630.56, "end": 35637.8}, {"text": "the community um we see Investments happening in other parts of the city all the", "start": 35637.8, "end": 35643.68}, {"text": "time other than the scarbro bus way which you know the mayor has funded I have yet to see any significant", "start": 35643.68, "end": 35649.56}, {"text": "investment from the city of Toronto in Scaro basically since amalgamation uh there is not that type", "start": 35649.56, "end": 35656.16}, {"text": "of investment there is not that type of creativity and this is the opportunity that you know a lot of us have been", "start": 35656.16, "end": 35662.596}, {"text": "waiting for a lot of us have been working hard for this is not something that just popped up uh this has been a", "start": 35662.596, "end": 35668.72}, {"text": "discussion that was started I think back when Glenn debear maker was a counselor", "start": 35668.72, "end": 35674}, {"text": "um and that's been continued onward and I know councelor anley has been carrying that torch for quite a while so I just", "start": 35674, "end": 35680.8}, {"text": "would like um us to consider all these factors when making this decision that obviously this is more than just", "start": 35680.8, "end": 35686.436}, {"text": "infrastructure this is a part of our community this has been a part of our community since since 1985 everyone has", "start": 35686.436, "end": 35692.56}, {"text": "some sort of attachment personal with this infrastructure and I think that has to be considered in whatever decision we", "start": 35692.56, "end": 35699.32}, {"text": "make going forward thank you very much thank you counselor Carol to speak uh sorry", "start": 35699.32, "end": 35708.88}, {"text": "councel matlo first because you have a motion speak first yeah okay councelor", "start": 35708.88, "end": 35714.96}, {"text": "matlo I'm going to get all the speaker councelor Carol counselor uh", "start": 35714.96, "end": 35720.84}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor mcy any other folks NOP", "start": 35720.84, "end": 35725.96}, {"text": "okay and Deputy Mayor amberol I I have a motion on behalf of", "start": 35725.96, "end": 35732}, {"text": "councelor Meyers uh simply to move the report to the TTC board in Q4 along with", "start": 35732, "end": 35739.4}, {"text": "taking good advice from Deputy Mayor mckelvie about providing in inum report", "start": 35739.4, "end": 35744.72}, {"text": "to provide relevant information uh to contribute to the public consultation which I think will be critical uh so", "start": 35744.72, "end": 35750.68}, {"text": "that we even know what we are discussing in real in real terms and in real life um you know councelor Meyers uh brought", "start": 35750.68, "end": 35759.116}, {"text": "up the I love scar brro campaign and I I heard very clearly from Scaro residents that there has been um I think", "start": 35759.116, "end": 35765.88}, {"text": "justifiable and righteous resentment for many years that there weren't enough um", "start": 35765.88, "end": 35771.596}, {"text": "uh Health funds put towards Scaro in a way that the rest of the city has received similarly with Arts funds and", "start": 35771.596, "end": 35778.756}, {"text": "what a lot of residents in scar bro I keep telling us is that um like we", "start": 35778.756, "end": 35784.8}, {"text": "love for example the West Toronto rail path and it should be funded but why", "start": 35784.8, "end": 35790.116}, {"text": "isn't the West Scaro rail path moving forward as swiftly as it should I've walked that Corridor it's an incredible", "start": 35790.116, "end": 35796.756}, {"text": "project and I hope we do it and similarly there are big picture uh you", "start": 35796.756, "end": 35802.64}, {"text": "know rail deck Park big Visionary pieces that we discussed downtown why shouldn't we equally be doing that in Scaro um uh", "start": 35802.64, "end": 35810.756}, {"text": "the greenest area of our city a beautiful part of our city that wants to be connected the meway West Toronto Rail", "start": 35810.756, "end": 35818.32}, {"text": "paath and the Skyway um this is an opportunity to", "start": 35818.32, "end": 35824.04}, {"text": "reimagine what that Corridor can become and because of Champions like councelor", "start": 35824.04, "end": 35831.596}, {"text": "de maker uh Deputy Mayor Melby uh councelor Ansley and councelor", "start": 35831.596, "end": 35839.24}, {"text": "Meyers um there could and and councelor candal", "start": 35839.24, "end": 35844.32}, {"text": "and other Scaro Champions there could be an opportunity to do something that will connect neighborhoods throughout Scar", "start": 35844.32, "end": 35850.88}, {"text": "brro and create a corridor that will be unique and so special that it could it", "start": 35850.88, "end": 35857.48}, {"text": "could actually incent visitors to come to scar brro spend money and yes with", "start": 35857.48, "end": 35862.756}, {"text": "adjacent Property Owners see a whole new life neighborhoods appreciate uh the", "start": 35862.756, "end": 35868.56}, {"text": "value of having this Skyway way there I understand that costs are there but I'll give you an example with um with let's", "start": 35868.56, "end": 35876.8}, {"text": "say there's like1 $200 million whatever it is to demolish it if that were to be", "start": 35876.8, "end": 35882.596}, {"text": "the case why couldn't we look at using money like that towards create an endowment fund to help maintain it in", "start": 35882.596, "end": 35888.68}, {"text": "the future why wouldn't we want to work with organizations like scow uh and Empower them to work with potentially uh", "start": 35888.68, "end": 35896.8}, {"text": "philanthropists in the community to come to come and support sorry to come and support uh the the", "start": 35896.8, "end": 35904.8}, {"text": "long-term success of this project coun Meers put it very well and", "start": 35904.8, "end": 35909.88}, {"text": "I and I'll just kind of reiterate this because I believe in his message it may there may come a day", "start": 35909.88, "end": 35915.88}, {"text": "where we recognize pragmatically and realistically that the challenges are", "start": 35915.88, "end": 35920.916}, {"text": "there that we have that they can't be ignored but why wouldn't we want to support scow and the", "start": 35920.916, "end": 35927.24}, {"text": "community to explore this to to work with staff to do their due diligence to", "start": 35927.24, "end": 35933.64}, {"text": "yes engage stakeholders along with land owners and have those conversations and", "start": 35933.64, "end": 35939.72}, {"text": "see what can happen I love this proposal I love this", "start": 35939.72, "end": 35945.32}, {"text": "idea and before we simply just say no to something let's say let's see if yes is", "start": 35945.32, "end": 35950.68}, {"text": "possible thank you thank you a question of the Mover yeah please uh if we're if we're looking", "start": 35950.68, "end": 35956.596}, {"text": "at yes being possible for me um I have a problem problem with with the the motion", "start": 35956.596, "end": 35963.2}, {"text": "uh why would you have the TTC doing the consultation this is a decommissioned line and it's now being studied by by by", "start": 35963.2, "end": 35971.16}, {"text": "City staff so uh the people who are going to write a report and bring it", "start": 35971.16, "end": 35977.2}, {"text": "back to council should they not hear what the community has to say and thereby conduct the consultation", "start": 35977.2, "end": 35984.2}, {"text": "yes so we still we we need to determine how to get people from ACC to scaros", "start": 35984.2, "end": 35990.08}, {"text": "Town Center this would not uh predetermine whether or not this would come back to exec for example but we do", "start": 35990.08, "end": 35997.116}, {"text": "want that would not be what we'd be Consulting on Would we not be Consulting on the proposal to animate a park or a", "start": 35997.116, "end": 36003.16}, {"text": "Highline here to provide the information not yes yeah it's it's about providing", "start": 36003.16, "end": 36008.32}, {"text": "information to the TTC board uh the consultation uh but I I'll ask again why", "start": 36008.32, "end": 36014.56}, {"text": "would it be about communicating it to the board when it's now a city project it is a city project it would it would", "start": 36014.56, "end": 36021.56}, {"text": "it would it would still I imagine it would still come to Executive but this is asking it to come to TTC board uh to", "start": 36021.56, "end": 36028.24}, {"text": "inform the board on how to make that connection the board wouldn't actually be conducting the", "start": 36028.24, "end": 36033.48}, {"text": "consultation that's not clear in theore so what are we consult if you're suggesting if you're suggesting an", "start": 36033.48, "end": 36039.32}, {"text": "amendment what are we Consulting on what is the purpose of the consultation because from what your", "start": 36039.32, "end": 36046.68}, {"text": "comments are does not help me understand understand the motion what are we Consulting on we are well we're", "start": 36046.68, "end": 36053.916}, {"text": "Consulting on moving forward with the potentially with the skyline are you suggesting that", "start": 36053.916, "end": 36060.36}, {"text": "you'd like a different avenue for the information to come along with the TTC it should go to the TTC well if we're", "start": 36060.36, "end": 36066.2}, {"text": "talking about Transit Connections in the existing BAS system that's for the TTC", "start": 36066.2, "end": 36071.756}, {"text": "if we're talking about building a new Transit connection that's for the transit expansion office if we're talking about what to do with this real", "start": 36071.756, "end": 36078.16}, {"text": "estate that is Mr Jollymore shop who should therefore I think be working with", "start": 36078.16, "end": 36084.116}, {"text": "the community and conducting the consultation I'm happy I'm happy for example to amend it so that it go both", "start": 36084.116, "end": 36089.48}, {"text": "to executive and TTC if that I don't understand why the use of the the the", "start": 36089.48, "end": 36095.16}, {"text": "decommission Surplus property is going to the TTC if you could explain that to me I would have my clarification so the", "start": 36095.16, "end": 36103.116}, {"text": "the the original motion was going to the TTC and that the TTC does need to make", "start": 36103.116, "end": 36108.68}, {"text": "decisions that it needs that information going to the board about connecting people from a to", "start": 36108.68, "end": 36115.916}, {"text": "Scaro Town Center it needs that information to make those decisions but", "start": 36115.916, "end": 36121.08}, {"text": "it doesn't have to unilateral or exclusively go to the TTC I do I do get", "start": 36121.08, "end": 36126.8}, {"text": "your point that it's also helpful to go to exact okay I'm I'm not going to belabor this because I I my my colleague", "start": 36126.8, "end": 36134.36}, {"text": "has a suggested fix question um as it's written I can't support it we're not close to question to the Mover", "start": 36134.36, "end": 36142.2}, {"text": "information perks if I could just have the motion up to help me with my", "start": 36142.2, "end": 36147.36}, {"text": "question so I think I think the confusion comes from the underlying", "start": 36147.36, "end": 36152.756}, {"text": "portion I I take your point that the TTC Board needs to be", "start": 36152.756, "end": 36158.756}, {"text": "informed and that they can generate some relevant information the problem is that", "start": 36158.756, "end": 36164.4}, {"text": "it reads as if they also conduct a public consultation so if we could insert something after relevant", "start": 36164.4, "end": 36172.96}, {"text": "information to and then put in inform the city's public consultation yes this", "start": 36172.96, "end": 36179.68}, {"text": "is the city's consultation I want to be clear about that you need it", "start": 36179.68, "end": 36185.52}, {"text": "better you have that was my concern that's my only concern I want that to be", "start": 36185.52, "end": 36191.4}, {"text": "amendment to it or is friendly very delightfully friendly", "start": 36191.4, "end": 36198.96}, {"text": "City's joov friendly okay clerk got SC it okay she'll write it out and we'll", "start": 36198.96, "end": 36206.24}, {"text": "look at it again okay in a minute uh but speaking Deputy oh councelor Carol you", "start": 36206.24, "end": 36212.96}, {"text": "are on next uh thank you yes I know that from my my grilling just now and and uh", "start": 36212.96, "end": 36220.08}, {"text": "earlier questions and questions of the deput pro people probably think I'm totally against anything happening here", "start": 36220.08, "end": 36226.96}, {"text": "but councelor Myers is right I did move the original motion but I'll tell you why I moved that original motion for", "start": 36226.96, "end": 36232.52}, {"text": "citizen Myers back in the day there was great flexibility in everything he said", "start": 36232.52, "end": 36239.24}, {"text": "that day I want to say that again there was great flexibility in everything citizen Meyers", "start": 36239.24, "end": 36246.24}, {"text": "said that day we were talking in the realm of like a farmers market in the ellere station parking lot not a bad", "start": 36246.24, "end": 36253.276}, {"text": "idea at all I'd be looking at it from Fieldstone common Senior's home from my dad's room I that sounds like a great", "start": 36253.276, "end": 36260.04}, {"text": "idea there was lots of flexibility there I have to be honest I didn't hear that", "start": 36260.04, "end": 36265.2}, {"text": "flexibility today I didn't hear it I heard Highline Highline Highline", "start": 36265.2, "end": 36270.916}, {"text": "Highline and if we're talking about the Highline you'd better get a lawyer and", "start": 36270.916, "end": 36276.36}, {"text": "set up your Conservancy right now because we can't afford it funny thing about the Highline it's right smack dab", "start": 36276.36, "end": 36283.4}, {"text": "in the middle of Manhattan so they very easily raised $150 million", "start": 36283.4, "end": 36290.4}, {"text": "just to get started every year it costs $1.5 million to run of which the city", "start": 36290.4, "end": 36297.52}, {"text": "puts in five because it is a city park and the Conservancy raises $6.5 million", "start": 36297.52, "end": 36302.916}, {"text": "do annually from supporters like David burn and Kevin Bacon and his wife and", "start": 36302.916, "end": 36309.32}, {"text": "Diane firstenberg and all of her kids and Barry Diller even whether they're living together or not W um there's a", "start": 36309.32, "end": 36317.8}, {"text": "lot of money goes into the high line I don't think I don't think where this Highline is I don't think there's money", "start": 36317.8, "end": 36324.36}, {"text": "in them their heels uh in that magnitude but there is if you start to look at", "start": 36324.36, "end": 36330.52}, {"text": "other things um the goods line in Sydney Australia is not elevated they took down", "start": 36330.52, "end": 36336.52}, {"text": "the elevated portion when they realized the cost and did a beautiful thing at ground level beautiful and it has done", "start": 36336.52, "end": 36344.52}, {"text": "the same thing increased land values made for some brilliant planning develop", "start": 36344.52, "end": 36349.56}, {"text": "vment it's a brilliant thing and you should look at it the St Thomas elevated", "start": 36349.56, "end": 36354.756}, {"text": "Park just the you couldn't spend a better summer evening to than to sit on", "start": 36354.756, "end": 36360.16}, {"text": "that bridge in St Thomas and that's two hours away just get in your car and go there let's we could rent a bus and go", "start": 36360.16, "end": 36366.96}, {"text": "down there um and and have a look at it but I've just named two perfect examples", "start": 36366.96, "end": 36373.596}, {"text": "and like the Highline they're not City Reliant they are riing on their", "start": 36373.596, "end": 36380.24}, {"text": "conservancies or whatever you want to call those not for profits that run them and so it has to be in the early", "start": 36380.24, "end": 36388.16}, {"text": "conversation I was very glad to hear that from from scow that when they hold their charet governance and funding and", "start": 36388.16, "end": 36396.116}, {"text": "fundraising is going to be early in the conversation because I know that Scarboro always likes to bite off more", "start": 36396.116, "end": 36402.56}, {"text": "than it canu you're right and and they they they never take on the easy route they take on the hard route but what I", "start": 36402.56, "end": 36410.08}, {"text": "despair of in scarb bro and I I consider myself to be a champion of Scarboro too", "start": 36410.08, "end": 36415.16}, {"text": "because guess what I'm a city counselor I'm a champion of every square inch of it every square inch of it h probably a", "start": 36415.16, "end": 36422.2}, {"text": "little more so because my family lived so many years in scar BR but I I have to", "start": 36422.2, "end": 36428.24}, {"text": "say they need to have flexibility and and real realistic", "start": 36428.24, "end": 36435.116}, {"text": "expectations from the get-go and know that if you're signing on to do something it's not going to be gifted to", "start": 36435.116, "end": 36440.36}, {"text": "you or taken away from you and therefore you just say another thing has been taken away we're all going to have to", "start": 36440.36, "end": 36446.916}, {"text": "roll up our sleeves everyone who wants this better be ready to roll up their", "start": 36446.916, "end": 36452.276}, {"text": "sleeves because the city simply they do have a lot of big projects that aren't", "start": 36452.276, "end": 36457.64}, {"text": "funded yet we have reserves of 13 billion against 45 billion do worth of", "start": 36457.64, "end": 36464.72}, {"text": "commitments and so that charet has to open with this is a project for Scarboro", "start": 36464.72, "end": 36472.24}, {"text": "by Scarboro and we're all going to roll up our sleeves and if we do the city's going to be there to support us and I", "start": 36472.24, "end": 36479.56}, {"text": "dare say we'll be contributing but it has to be a contribution not a we wanted this thing and you didn't do it so we", "start": 36479.56, "end": 36486.52}, {"text": "got robbed it really has to be different this time or I'm going to be saying this", "start": 36486.52, "end": 36492.72}, {"text": "is what I said in December 2024 when that day comes LRT sorry those are my", "start": 36492.72, "end": 36498.88}, {"text": "comments thank you madam chair uh councelor mcau sorry deputy mayor mccy", "start": 36498.88, "end": 36504.596}, {"text": "uh thank you uh so first I just I just want to come back to this is actually a good problem to have right because I", "start": 36504.596, "end": 36511.32}, {"text": "think we get into the weeds and we start in the discussions and we start diving in but this is a good problem to have", "start": 36511.32, "end": 36518.08}, {"text": "that we are going to one day have Surplus lands um because we will have a Subway that will allow us to get around", "start": 36518.08, "end": 36524.64}, {"text": "Scaro and it will free up this Corridor so let's let's always kind of ground ourselves in in that kind of positivity", "start": 36524.64, "end": 36531.08}, {"text": "I think it's important uh the second is that um it's a good thing because we", "start": 36531.08, "end": 36536.16}, {"text": "have residents and Community organizations that are excited that's also a good thing so um things are", "start": 36536.16, "end": 36542.08}, {"text": "starting to to coales and and look very promising but I think what's missing and", "start": 36542.08, "end": 36548.04}, {"text": "part of why I'm glad that councelor Matt loen Meers moved that um amendment to", "start": 36548.04, "end": 36553.916}, {"text": "have some information come forward in q1 is a little bit of grounding in expectation and what's on the table and", "start": 36553.916, "end": 36561.32}, {"text": "what's off the table and I think that the earlier we can start to kind of all come to an understanding of that the", "start": 36561.32, "end": 36566.96}, {"text": "more successful will be and what the vision and can be and the possibilities that are possible in the corridor", "start": 36566.96, "end": 36573.48}, {"text": "because right now it's all hypotheticals everything's all hypotheticals this that", "start": 36573.48, "end": 36578.56}, {"text": "who owns this who owns what what's this legal requirement what's possible what does it cost for the to keep the", "start": 36578.56, "end": 36584.52}, {"text": "structure up versus what is the cost to to pull the structure down so um I just", "start": 36584.52, "end": 36590.56}, {"text": "again I think it's it's great that everybody's so excited I think it's great that um you know there's there's", "start": 36590.56, "end": 36596.56}, {"text": "many champions on Council councelor Myers councelor Thompson counselor anley", "start": 36596.56, "end": 36601.84}, {"text": "early on I think I seconded one of your motion counselor mat low and everybody's on the on and excited with what can", "start": 36601.84, "end": 36608.88}, {"text": "happen in this Corridor um and it's good that people are prepared to have a", "start": 36608.88, "end": 36614.48}, {"text": "really hard conversation about it too and I asked the depent thank you Jim but I you know are you prepared to talk", "start": 36614.48, "end": 36620.436}, {"text": "about priorities and priorities are a hard discussion to have because we want", "start": 36620.436, "end": 36626.36}, {"text": "housing and we want social infrastructure and we want cycling and we want Greenways and and we all kinds", "start": 36626.36, "end": 36633.72}, {"text": "of things that we want but um but how do we prioritize what can happen in the", "start": 36633.72, "end": 36640.116}, {"text": "limited amount of space that we have in the city and and so it's good that that we're all willing to roll up our sleeves", "start": 36640.116, "end": 36646.48}, {"text": "and have that important conversation but again I just want to come back back to this is a good problem to have and I", "start": 36646.48, "end": 36651.84}, {"text": "think we we lose sight of that so I leave you with that thank", "start": 36651.84, "end": 36657.52}, {"text": "you thank you Madame mayor um I just wanted to add my voice to this and we'll be supporting the motion before us and", "start": 36661.596, "end": 36668.24}, {"text": "thanks to my colleagues for the collaborative work to get to a good motion and to staff of course for the", "start": 36668.24, "end": 36673.32}, {"text": "work and to the community members uh for your work and your advocacy as well as we've been having this discussion I was", "start": 36673.32, "end": 36678.88}, {"text": "getting flashbacks um and anxiety about being a 15-year-old sitting to depute in front of this exact committee that I now", "start": 36678.88, "end": 36686.116}, {"text": "have the privilege of sitting on uh around a vision that we had for our community around infrastructure that we", "start": 36686.116, "end": 36691.36}, {"text": "needed to support ourselves and our neighbors and while we did not get um ultimately to the full service Community", "start": 36691.36, "end": 36698.24}, {"text": "Center that we were fighting for uh we were able to get a lot of small wins along the way we were able to build", "start": 36698.24, "end": 36704}, {"text": "community in a beautiful way and we were able to learn better about our voices and how best to utilize them as part of", "start": 36704, "end": 36709.96}, {"text": "this really complicated um Democratic process that we have um and at that time", "start": 36709.96, "end": 36715.436}, {"text": "we unfortunately did not have a champion on Council we didn't have anybody really championing uh Us in that moment but", "start": 36715.436, "end": 36722.436}, {"text": "here we are and that was a big part of what motivated me to run for office and to be around this table and I'm excited", "start": 36722.436, "end": 36727.596}, {"text": "about the enthusiasm that I hear from my colleague councilor Meers and I'm encouraged to hear about his journey as", "start": 36727.596, "end": 36733.8}, {"text": "well having been an advocate at this table to move this kind of a project forward and now gets sit and Champion it", "start": 36733.8, "end": 36740.32}, {"text": "on the other side of the table and I think it's important for us as a city to continue to keep in mind uh what these", "start": 36740.32, "end": 36747.16}, {"text": "kinds of opportunities bring to us just going through that visioning understanding and yes having realistic", "start": 36747.16, "end": 36753.56}, {"text": "expectations and really managing that well with Community but encouraging Community to have a sense of pride in", "start": 36753.56, "end": 36759.24}, {"text": "the in place that they call home and have a vision for the city that they want to continue to invest in and be", "start": 36759.24, "end": 36764.436}, {"text": "part of and this is a great I think opportunity for a lot of that kind of magic to happen in a community building", "start": 36764.436, "end": 36770}, {"text": "Community engagement um uh type of format so I am encouraged about uh the", "start": 36770, "end": 36775.96}, {"text": "vision and the work and the dedication of the local residents I know that will be a very long road and a lot of tough", "start": 36775.96, "end": 36782.276}, {"text": "conversations but I think if you can see it you can dream it you can achieve it right and as corny as it is I never", "start": 36782.276, "end": 36790.16}, {"text": "thought sitting as a young girl today that I would even see my name on this and be able to do this kind of work at the city so go Scaro go from all the way", "start": 36790.16, "end": 36797.04}, {"text": "out in the West End we wish you all luck and we'll continue to um do what we can and the last thing I just want us to be", 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say you know counselor what's going to happen what are you doing with the SRT you have huge swath", "start": 36884.2, "end": 36889.68}, {"text": "of land and we started having discussions about a multi-use trail and you know", "start": 36889.68, "end": 36895.68}, {"text": "once in a while I would mention the Highline in Manhattan because I visited and I thought you know we can replicate", "start": 36895.68, "end": 36901.72}, {"text": "this in Scar and and other times when I mention a multi-use trail other people", "start": 36901.72, "end": 36908.04}, {"text": "are like no no we can do much better they mention like Australian St Thomas I", "start": 36908.04, "end": 36913.16}, {"text": "get the Highline mention but you know we have such a huge swath of land um", "start": 36913.16, "end": 36919.52}, {"text": "business owners that I've talked to they've said the same thing to me you know like thank God the SRT is gone you", "start": 36919.52, "end": 36926.116}, {"text": "know I talk about we want to use it as a bus Rapid Transit line and then they're", "start": 36926.116, "end": 36932.16}, {"text": "like what are you going to do after that there's so much potential there everybody in scar bro sees the potential", "start": 36932.16, "end": 36938.4}, {"text": "and I agree with them I want to support them I get very few people that are negative about this when it's brought up", "start": 36938.4, "end": 36945.8}, {"text": "or when it's raised so I I'm once again we've had you know councelor Carol had a", "start": 36945.8, "end": 36952.276}, {"text": "motion Deputy Mayor Melby and I had a notice a motion that was passed unanimous two more notices of motion", "start": 36952.276, "end": 36959.04}, {"text": "were done so you know I'm going to call it progress and I'm going to vote again for what's before us today and let's", "start": 36959.04, "end": 36966.52}, {"text": "keep this moving forward and find the we the means and the wherewithal to get this built thank", "start": 36966.52, "end": 36973.276}, {"text": "you seeing no other speaker we have councilor mat's motion", "start": 36973.276, "end": 36980.68}, {"text": "on behalf of U um councilor Meyers all those in favor opposed carrye thank you", "start": 36980.68, "end": 36989.32}, {"text": "I have a motion for oh item as amended thank you all those in", "start": 36989.32, "end": 36997.4}, {"text": "favor record vote okay record a", "start": 36997.4, "end": 37002.432}, {"text": "vote as a it okay counselor", "start": 37007.4, "end": 37012.436}, {"text": "matlo Meli Molly perks uh", "start": 37012.436, "end": 37019.2}, {"text": "Angley Carol and Fletcher your hands up okay ciao thank", "start": 37019.2, "end": 37026.04}, {"text": "you motion carried motion to adjourn thank you so much it's almost a clock my", "start": 37026.04, "end": 37034.32}, {"text": "God you folks must be hungry", "start": 37034.32, "end": 37039.084}, {"text": "Chi", "start": 37039.68, "end": 37042.68}]