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meeting 14 of the", "start": 191.599, "end": 198.44}, {"text": "compliance audit committee to order welcome everyone today's meeting is being held with committee members City", "start": 198.44, "end": 205.239}, {"text": "staff and parties participating both by video conference and in person City Hall", "start": 205.239, "end": 210.92}, {"text": "in committee room one city hall is open to the public and anyone is welcome to", "start": 210.92, "end": 216.12}, {"text": "attend the meeting at City Hall today the public may continue to participate electronically by video conference this", "start": 216.12, "end": 223.28}, {"text": "meeting is also being live streamed online at", "start": 223.28, "end": 228.04}, {"text": "www.youtube.com Toronto City Council live I ask everyone for their patience with any delays or any technical issues", "start": 228.439, "end": 236.48}, {"text": "I'd like to ask everyone to please keep your microphones on mute unless you're speaking and uh member uh duza please", "start": 236.48, "end": 244.56}, {"text": "ensure that your video is turned on at all times as each as part of each agenda", "start": 244.56, "end": 250.36}, {"text": "item I'll ask our members to raise their hand or unmute their microphone if they wish to ask questions or to speak and", "start": 250.36, "end": 257.32}, {"text": "when voting members please raise your hand in front of your camera to indicate your vote although we are in different", "start": 257.32, "end": 264.199}, {"text": "locations and meeting remotely today the compliance audit committee acknowledges the land we are meeting on is the", "start": 264.199, "end": 270.52}, {"text": "traditional territory of many nations including the Miss sagas of the credit", "start": 270.52, "end": 275.68}, {"text": "anishnabe the chipa the hodon and the wendat peoples and is now home to many", "start": 275.68, "end": 281.72}, {"text": "diverse First Nations inui and matey peoples we also acknowledge that Toronto", "start": 281.72, "end": 286.8}, {"text": "is covered by treaty 13 with the missas of the credit members are there any", "start": 286.8, "end": 292.16}, {"text": "Declarations of Interest under the municipal conflict of interest act if you do have an interest please raise", "start": 292.16, "end": 297.6}, {"text": "your hand or unmute your mic to speak all right seeing none uh may I have", "start": 297.6, "end": 303.36}, {"text": "motion to confirm the minutes of the meeting on November 12th lawence thank you member dusza um", "start": 303.36, "end": 311.72}, {"text": "all in favor please raise your hand thank you and the motion carries we have", "start": 311.72, "end": 317.039}, {"text": "eight items on the agenda today and I'll outline the procedure for the format of the committee meeting the purpose of", "start": 317.039, "end": 324}, {"text": "today's meeting is to consider seven Auditors reports that the city clerk s", "start": 324, "end": 329.199}, {"text": "to the Comm committee on contributors in the 2023 councelor award 20 Scaro Southwest", "start": 329.199, "end": 336.12}, {"text": "byelection who appear to have contravened the contribution limits under Section", "start": 336.12, "end": 341.28}, {"text": "88.9 of the Municipal elections act 1996 for each item we will begin with a", "start": 341.28, "end": 348.319}, {"text": "presentation from BDO Canada LLP the external auditor who completed each of", "start": 348.319, "end": 353.36}, {"text": "the reports what I have instructed the Auditors to do is for the first item to", "start": 353.36, "end": 359.199}, {"text": "go through through their methodology and processes and then move to findings and", "start": 359.199, "end": 364.36}, {"text": "for each subsequent item to go directly to the findings so that we're not repeating uh methodology and process", "start": 364.36, "end": 371.479}, {"text": "with each agenda item uh after B Canada has presented", "start": 371.479, "end": 376.759}, {"text": "their report the relevant contributor and each candidate for each item will be provided an opportunity to speak if they", "start": 376.759, "end": 383.88}, {"text": "are present online the contributor and the candidate will be given sufficient time to address the reports if you do", "start": 383.88, "end": 391.36}, {"text": "wish to speak and have not already registered your intention to do so please email the clerk staff now at", "start": 391.36, "end": 398.319}, {"text": "compliance audit all one word at toronto.ca all speakers are asked to", "start": 398.319, "end": 404.44}, {"text": "confine their comments to the item being considered um after each speaker the", "start": 404.44, "end": 409.8}, {"text": "compliance audit committee members will have an opportunity to ask questions the", "start": 409.8, "end": 415}, {"text": "committee has also received written Communications for some of the items which we will consider consider as part", "start": 415, "end": 420.24}, {"text": "of our overall deliberations uh the process that we're going to go through today is we are", "start": 420.24, "end": 426.599}, {"text": "going to consider um uh the first five items sequentially we will then move", "start": 426.599, "end": 434.16}, {"text": "into close session to deliberate each item will be considered on its merits", "start": 434.16, "end": 440.039}, {"text": "and then when we come back into public session we will render our decision for each item", "start": 440.039, "end": 446.319}, {"text": "individually um at today's meeting we'll also consider item EA", "start": 446.319, "end": 451.919}, {"text": "14.8 compliance audit report for the city of Toronto uh regarding georgo", "start": 451.919, "end": 457.28}, {"text": "mamal this report was prepared by Ken fro Delta Consulting Group uh uh the uh", "start": 457.28, "end": 464.52}, {"text": "auditor will present the findings of the report and following the presentation the committee members will have an", "start": 464.52, "end": 470.639}, {"text": "opportunity to ask questions if present the applicant for the compliance audit", "start": 470.639, "end": 476.56}, {"text": "report and the candidate will be afforded enough opportunity to speak to the item and will be given sufficient", "start": 476.56, "end": 482.759}, {"text": "time to address the application uh after each speaker compliance audit committee members will have an opportunity to ask", "start": 482.759, "end": 490}, {"text": "questions if the committee decides it needs to meet in close session to deliberate in private I'll move a motion", "start": 490, "end": 496.56}, {"text": "to close the meeting at which point members of the public and media will be moved into the WebEx Lobby and", "start": 496.56, "end": 502.4}, {"text": "readmitted once the committee resumes in public session after we have completed our closed session deliberation we will", "start": 502.4, "end": 508.84}, {"text": "resume in public and the committee will make its decision at that time and that same process applies to all of the items", "start": 508.84, "end": 514.88}, {"text": "we're considering today before we uh move to item number one are there any preliminary motions from uh our", "start": 514.88, "end": 522.32}, {"text": "committee uh members all right seeing none we're going to proceed with our", "start": 522.32, "end": 527.92}, {"text": "agenda then and item EA 14.1 is uh", "start": 527.92, "end": 535.44}, {"text": "chinika duta I apologize if I have mispronounced your your name uh", "start": 535.44, "end": 540.56}, {"text": "contributor in the 2023 councelor war2 Scaro Southwest byelection who appears", "start": 540.56, "end": 547.8}, {"text": "to have contravene contribution limits under Section 88.9 of the Municipal elections act", "start": 547.8, "end": 555.92}, {"text": "1996 uh do we have any preliminary requests from any of the parties before", "start": 555.92, "end": 561.519}, {"text": "we move to the auditor's report all right seeing none we'll then", "start": 561.519, "end": 566.959}, {"text": "begin with a presentation from B Canada LLP followed by remarks from the", "start": 566.959, "end": 572.399}, {"text": "contributor and candidate if they are present um gentlemen over to you", "start": 572.399, "end": 578.839}, {"text": "please thank you uh so this is our presentation for chanica data a contributor who appears to have", "start": 578.839, "end": 585.04}, {"text": "contributing the contribution limits under Section 88.9 of the Municipal elections act", "start": 585.04, "end": 591.12}, {"text": "1996 the city clerk retained boo Canada to conduct an independent evaluation", "start": 594.72, "end": 599.959}, {"text": "the objective of this evaluation was to conduct a review of the financial statement submitted by candidates and third party advertisers in Toronto's", "start": 599.959, "end": 606.12}, {"text": "2023 Municipal byelection for war2 scarra Southwest counselor in order to determine whether any contributions to", "start": 606.12, "end": 612.6}, {"text": "candidates or third party advertisers appear to have exceeded the contribution limits as defined in the Municipal elections act 1996 and prepare a report", "start": 612.6, "end": 620}, {"text": "to the city clerk and respect to each contributor who appeared to have contravened any of the contribution limits outlined in the", "start": 620, "end": 626.399}, {"text": "act under Section 888.259.3826 all candidates who filed a nomination paper must also file a financial", "start": 626.399, "end": 632.68}, {"text": "statement reflecting their election campaign finances from the date they filed their nomination up to 45 days", "start": 632.68, "end": 637.76}, {"text": "after voting day in the case of a byelection in accordance with Section 88.3 4 of the act the cler will review", "start": 637.76, "end": 644.399}, {"text": "the contributions reported on the financial statements submitted by a candid under Section 888.259.3826", "start": 644.399, "end": 650.88}, {"text": "who filed a notice of registration must also file a financial statement reflecting their election campaign finances from the date their", "start": 659.44, "end": 665.24}, {"text": "registration was certified up to 45 days after the voting day in the case for byelection in accordance with section", "start": 665.24, "end": 671.16}, {"text": "8.36 of the act the clerk shall review the contributions reported on the financial statement submitted by a registered third party under Section", "start": 671.16, "end": 677.24}, {"text": "88.2 to determine whether any contributor appears to have exceeded any of the contribution limits under Section", "start": 677.24, "end": 684.32}, {"text": "8813 reporting requirements under the Municipal elections act for candidates the ACT defines campaign contributions", "start": 684.48, "end": 690.519}, {"text": "as money goods or services that are given to a candidate for use in their campaign including money and goods that a candidate or spouse contributes their", "start": 690.519, "end": 696.959}, {"text": "own campaign for third party advertisers the ACT defines campaign contributions as money goods or services that are", "start": 696.959, "end": 703.279}, {"text": "given to and accepted by an individual Corporation or Trade union in relation to third party advertisements or given", "start": 703.279, "end": 709.16}, {"text": "to and accepted by another person who is acting under the direction of the individual Corporation or Trade", "start": 709.16, "end": 715.519}, {"text": "union in reviewing the contributions listed on the financial statements the the city clerk is to determine whether", "start": 715.519, "end": 721.079}, {"text": "the following contribution limits appear to have been exceeded an individual cannot contribute more than $1,200 to a", "start": 721.079, "end": 727.279}, {"text": "single candidate for counselor or Schoolboard trustee or third party Advertiser an individual cannot contribute more than $2,500 to a single", "start": 727.279, "end": 734.44}, {"text": "candidate for mayor an individual cannot contribute more than $55,000 in total to multiple candidates for the same office", "start": 734.44, "end": 739.959}, {"text": "or multiple third party advertisers the above limits do not apply to contributions made by a candidate or their spouse to the candidate's own", "start": 739.959, "end": 746.56}, {"text": "campaign there is a separate formula to determine this cont ution limit based on the number of electors in the candidates", "start": 746.56, "end": 752.12}, {"text": "Ward the the Toronto elections unit at the city clerk's office provided BDO with the following PDF scans of all", "start": 752.12, "end": 758.56}, {"text": "financial statements followed by candidates and third party advertisers a data extract containing all contributions entered into the City's", "start": 758.56, "end": 764.839}, {"text": "online electronic Financial filing system if a candidate or third party Advertiser did not use the electronic", "start": 764.839, "end": 770.199}, {"text": "Financial filing system Tonto election staff entered the information from their financial statement into the system to", "start": 770.199, "end": 776.24}, {"text": "ensure the completeness of the financial statements B performed the f we compar the candidates for whom BDO", "start": 776.24, "end": 781.32}, {"text": "did not receive financial statements to the candidates identified as being in default of the Municipal elections act to confirm that these financial", "start": 781.32, "end": 787}, {"text": "statements had not been submitted to ensure the completeness and accuracy of the data extract from the electronic Financial filing system BDO", "start": 787, "end": 794.279}, {"text": "performed the following we reviewed the financial statements in which BDO did not receive data from the electronic Financial filing system to ensure not", "start": 794.279, "end": 800.8}, {"text": "Dollar in contribution was indicated on the financial statements We compare the total value of contributions from each", "start": 800.8, "end": 805.839}, {"text": "finan statement to the total value of contributions for the candidate or third party Advertiser in the electronic Financial filing system data extract to", "start": 805.839, "end": 812.639}, {"text": "confirm completeness and ensure there were no duplicate entries in the data extract compared on a line byline basis", "start": 812.639, "end": 818.56}, {"text": "each contribution from the candidate or third party advertiser's financial statement with the electronic Financial filing system data extract in order to", "start": 818.56, "end": 824.92}, {"text": "confirm the completeness and accuracy of the candid contributor named address and contribution value we identified and corrected any", "start": 824.92, "end": 831.92}, {"text": "variances between the candidate or third party advertisers financial statements and the electronic Financial filing system data extract utilizing the", "start": 831.92, "end": 838.44}, {"text": "financial statement as the source data the following procedures were", "start": 838.44, "end": 844.04}, {"text": "performed to identify any contributors that had contributed in excess of the contributions limits set out in the ACT", "start": 844.04, "end": 849.639}, {"text": "we compared the contributions per contributor to the single candidate limits two 1,200 for counselor uh we", "start": 849.639, "end": 858.44}, {"text": "compared the contributions per contributor to the two or more candidate for office limit $5,000 we compared the", "start": 858.44, "end": 863.88}, {"text": "contributions per candidate to the single third party advertised 1,200 limit and we Paar the contributors per", "start": 863.88, "end": 870.199}, {"text": "contributor to the two or more third party advertised limit of $5,000 the following procedures were", "start": 870.199, "end": 877.24}, {"text": "also performed to identify any potential over contributors we identified any individuals with similar first or last", "start": 877.24, "end": 884.279}, {"text": "names listed at the same address egm versus Mike versus Michael or same names", "start": 884.279, "end": 889.36}, {"text": "listed at different addresses to determine any potential over contributors we combine the total value", "start": 889.36, "end": 894.639}, {"text": "of contributions for any contributor identified with similar or same names and conducted the procedure procedures noted above BDA provided its preliminary", "start": 894.639, "end": 902.199}, {"text": "findings to Toronto elections who reviewed the findings and undertook to perform its own due diligence by contact in the relevant candidates or third", "start": 902.199, "end": 908.56}, {"text": "party advertisers to ask them to provide supporting documentation to help the city clerk determine whether or not the", "start": 908.56, "end": 913.759}, {"text": "contributors were the same individuals contributor chanica data the", "start": 913.759, "end": 920.36}, {"text": "above named contributor's total contribution appears to have exceeded the limit under Section 88.9 of the ACT", "start": 920.36, "end": 925.399}, {"text": "based on the following contributions they contributed 1,000", "start": 925.399, "end": 930.48}, {"text": "$250 to Alam gear Hussein for the office of counselor which exceeds the", "start": 930.48, "end": 936.079}, {"text": "contribution limit of", "start": 936.079, "end": 939.04}, {"text": "$1,200 thank you very much uh committee members do either of you have any questions for the", "start": 942.199, "end": 949.079}, {"text": "Auditors okay uh seeing none I understand that the contributor is on the line do you want to introduce", "start": 949.079, "end": 956.199}, {"text": "yourself and uh uh present your uh", "start": 956.199, "end": 962.24}, {"text": "comments my name is Chan dat thank", "start": 962.24, "end": 968.24}, {"text": "you and you have a presentation for us today well you know what it's my mistake", "start": 968.24, "end": 974.72}, {"text": "I should have looked at the at the guideline before I Mr Hussein came to my", "start": 974.72, "end": 979.92}, {"text": "office and he told me that this was the limit and I I inadvertently I believed", "start": 979.92, "end": 986.399}, {"text": "that that was the limit I am sorry about that and if there is any way this can be rectified uh just let me know and I can", "start": 986.399, "end": 993.759}, {"text": "get Mr Hussein to give me the funds back and I can send him a check for 1,200", "start": 993.759, "end": 999.16}, {"text": "instead I don't know what else to tell you okay um thank you very much I I", "start": 999.16, "end": 1006.24}, {"text": "appreciate you uh appearing today and and your cander uh members do you have", "start": 1006.24, "end": 1011.68}, {"text": "any questions of uh the contributor no no all right thank thank you very", "start": 1011.68, "end": 1019.48}, {"text": "much uh I would ask for your Indulgence as I indicated at the outset we're going to go through the next four items and", "start": 1019.48, "end": 1027.28}, {"text": "then the uh committee will move into uh uh out we're going to move out of public", "start": 1027.28, "end": 1033.16}, {"text": "session for deliberations and then come back we're going to consider each item on its own but we'll come back with our", "start": 1033.16, "end": 1039.558}, {"text": "decisions after hearing the next four items I understand that you do have uh sort of some time uh uh uh conflicts but", "start": 1039.559, "end": 1048.24}, {"text": "hopefully you are available to stay on thank you very much um at this time I", "start": 1048.24, "end": 1053.799}, {"text": "would like to move to uh item one uh", "start": 1053.799, "end": 1059.84}, {"text": "14.2 uh and uh that is um", "start": 1060.44, "end": 1068.08}, {"text": "uh Zakia uh tubm uh F Fara I apologize again if I'm", "start": 1068.32, "end": 1076.799}, {"text": "mispronouncing the name uh contribut in the 2023 councelor Ward 20 Scaro", "start": 1076.799, "end": 1083.039}, {"text": "Southwest byelection who appears to have contravened contribution limits under Section 88.9 of the Municipal elections", "start": 1083.039, "end": 1090.799}, {"text": "act 1996 um before we hear from the Auditors", "start": 1090.799, "end": 1096.159}, {"text": "are there any preliminary requests from any of the parties all right seeing none uh I'm", "start": 1096.159, "end": 1103.12}, {"text": "going to turn it over to BDO Canada LLP uh if you could move directly to your", "start": 1103.12, "end": 1108.48}, {"text": "fin ings please so these are our findings for", "start": 1108.48, "end": 1114.88}, {"text": "contributor zakaya R to basum Faria the above name contributor total contribution appears to have exceeded", "start": 1114.88, "end": 1120.96}, {"text": "the limit under Section 88.9 of the ACT based on the following contribution they contributed", "start": 1120.96, "end": 1126.96}, {"text": "$1,250 to councelor Alamar Hussein which exceeds the contribution limit of", "start": 1126.96, "end": 1134.32}, {"text": "$1,200 thank you very much uh members do you have any questions of the auditors on this agenda", "start": 1134.48, "end": 1141.08}, {"text": "item and seeing none I'm now going to ask if the contributor is", "start": 1141.08, "end": 1148.44}, {"text": "online all right and appears that they are not so we will move now to item EA", "start": 1148.52, "end": 1160.24}, {"text": "14.3 uh muhamad seal Hawk a contributor in the 2023 counselor award 20 scarbro", "start": 1160.24, "end": 1168.72}, {"text": "Southwest byelection who appears to have contravened contribution limits under", "start": 1168.72, "end": 1174.08}, {"text": "Section 88.9 of the Municipal elections act", "start": 1174.08, "end": 1179.4}, {"text": "1996 um any preliminary requests from parties all right then I'm going to ask", "start": 1179.4, "end": 1187.12}, {"text": "the Auditors to present their findings", "start": 1187.12, "end": 1191.039}, {"text": "please thank you uh these are our findings for contributor Muhammad Z", "start": 1194.28, "end": 1199.44}, {"text": "H uh the above name contributor total contribution ass seems appears to have exceeded the limit under Section 88.9 of", "start": 1199.44, "end": 1206.2}, {"text": "the ACT based on the following contribution $1,250 to councelor Alamar Hussein which", "start": 1206.2, "end": 1213.36}, {"text": "exceeds the contribution limit for counselor of", "start": 1213.36, "end": 1217.2}, {"text": "$1,200 thank you committee members any questions of the Auditors on this agenda", "start": 1218.4, "end": 1224.28}, {"text": "item no thank you no all right thank you and uh now we're going to move to item", "start": 1224.28, "end": 1233.24}, {"text": "ea4 uh point4 and this is ker ma hassin a", "start": 1233.24, "end": 1240.88}, {"text": "contributor in the 2023 counselor W 20 Scarboro Southwest byelection who", "start": 1240.88, "end": 1247.559}, {"text": "appears to have contravened contribution limits under Section 88.9 of the Municipal elections act", "start": 1247.559, "end": 1255.44}, {"text": "1996 um before we move to hear from the Auditors are there any preliminary", "start": 1255.44, "end": 1260.559}, {"text": "requests from any of the parties all right then I'd ask the", "start": 1260.559, "end": 1266.919}, {"text": "Auditors to move to your findings for this agenda item", "start": 1266.919, "end": 1271.919}, {"text": "please these are our findings for contributor kandaka Ma Hussein the above named contributor's total contribution", "start": 1272.559, "end": 1278.96}, {"text": "appears to have exceed the limit under Section 88.9 of the ACT based on the following contribution", "start": 1278.96, "end": 1284.32}, {"text": "$1,250 to councelor Alamar Hussein uh which exceeds the contribution limit of", "start": 1284.32, "end": 1291.88}, {"text": "$1,200 thank you committee members do you have any questions of the Auditors no all right now I understand", "start": 1292.08, "end": 1298.64}, {"text": "that the contributor is online so uh I'll turn it over to you to introduce yourself and to provide any comments", "start": 1298.64, "end": 1306.72}, {"text": "that you may have okay hello everybody I am ker M", "start": 1306.72, "end": 1313.52}, {"text": "Hussein I think this I think on my part I can say that okay I was in that I can", "start": 1313.52, "end": 1319.52}, {"text": "pay maximum 50 okay it was my mistake that I did not see the the regulations", "start": 1319.52, "end": 1326.2}, {"text": "of the onario city so that maximum limit is 1250 so so it is a it is a mistake on", "start": 1326.2, "end": 1334.32}, {"text": "my part I understand that I shall do anything I can do to rectify this issue", "start": 1334.32, "end": 1339.48}, {"text": "thank you okay thank you very much thank you for appearing today uh members do you have any questions of the", "start": 1339.48, "end": 1345.52}, {"text": "contributor no no thank you okay and and I believe we do not have the candidate", "start": 1345.52, "end": 1351.76}, {"text": "online is that correct no no C we we do not have the", "start": 1351.76, "end": 1357.08}, {"text": "candidate all right um I I'm going to move to the last item that we are", "start": 1357.08, "end": 1362.52}, {"text": "considering sequentially and that is item uh EA", "start": 1362.52, "end": 1370.559}, {"text": "14.5 uh and ATI Ramen", "start": 1371.039, "end": 1377.279}, {"text": "and uh sorry just uh okay contributor in the 2023", "start": 1377.279, "end": 1385.08}, {"text": "councelor award 20 Scarrow Southwest byelection who appears to have contravened contribution limits under", "start": 1385.08, "end": 1392.44}, {"text": "Section 88.9 of the Municipal elections act 1996 do we have any preliminary requests", "start": 1392.44, "end": 1399.279}, 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presentations that were made uh by those", "start": 3888.88, "end": 3894.839}, {"text": "who did particip ipate today um and uh I thank you as I noted the full decisions", "start": 3894.839, "end": 3901.079}, {"text": "are available on the city of Toronto website um at this time we're now going", "start": 3901.079, "end": 3906.64}, {"text": "to move to item ea 14.6 uh Ramen Russell a contributor in", "start": 3906.64, "end": 3913.92}, {"text": "the 2023 councelor Ward 20 Scaro Southwest", "start": 3913.92, "end": 3918.96}, {"text": "byelection who appears to have contravened contribution limits under Section", "start": 3918.96, "end": 3924.2}, {"text": "88.9 of the Municipal elections act 1996 and I would turn to the Auditors", "start": 3924.2, "end": 3933.24}, {"text": "sorry M Madam shair if you don't mind given that we moved on from items one to five do you do we want to let the those", "start": 3933.24, "end": 3940.359}, {"text": "contributors know that they could uh uh yes thank you uh so for those uh who", "start": 3940.359, "end": 3946}, {"text": "have participated for items one to five uh this is a public session you're", "start": 3946, "end": 3951.52}, {"text": "welcome to stay on but your participation is not required", "start": 3951.52, "end": 3956.64}, {"text": "and thank you for that um so we will turn to the Auditors", "start": 3956.64, "end": 3962.92}, {"text": "for a presentation on uh item 14.6 um and I would ask you to uh go to", "start": 3962.92, "end": 3973.24}, {"text": "the findings directly", "start": 3973.24, "end": 3976.52}, {"text": "please these are our findings for contributor r Russell uh they contributed", "start": 3982.52, "end": 3990.119}, {"text": "$2,240 in the form of goods and services described as a fundraising event on", "start": 3990.119, "end": 3995.4}, {"text": "November the 15 2023 to mikica Goose a candidate for", "start": 3995.4, "end": 4001.76}, {"text": "counselor uh thank you I'll now turn to members of the compliance audit committee uh if you have any questions", "start": 4002.119, "end": 4009}, {"text": "of the Auditors uh you now have an opportunity to address them no I don't have any", "start": 4009, "end": 4016.68}, {"text": "I I mean is this is this also an opportunity to ask about the the response that we have have you seen the", "start": 4016.68, "end": 4022.68}, {"text": "response provided yeah okay and then does it appear to you that the the amount", "start": 4022.68, "end": 4028.279}, {"text": "reported is accurate reflection of net proceeds considering the expenses that", "start": 4028.279, "end": 4034.119}, {"text": "have been submitted I can't say I did that reconciliation okay fair enough just wanted to make sure good okay uh", "start": 4034.119, "end": 4041.559}, {"text": "thank you we do have uh um a presenter today who who may be able to speak to it", "start": 4041.559, "end": 4049}, {"text": "uh so at this time um is the contributor Raman Russell here yes", "start": 4049, "end": 4057}, {"text": "yes okay all right um you you're welcome to make a presentation", "start": 4065.16, "end": 4073.16}, {"text": "the cidate is here to I just called him he should be here", "start": 4082.599, "end": 4091.24}, {"text": "soon okay so um I I yeah Mr Russell is", "start": 4091.24, "end": 4096.6}, {"text": "not able uh we're not hearing his sound but I understand that we do have the candidate", "start": 4096.6, "end": 4103.6}, {"text": "here do you wish to make a presentation while we uh wait to hear from the", "start": 4103.799, "end": 4110.278}, {"text": "contributor sure okay so um Mr Russell I sent a letter out to the um the", "start": 4110.279, "end": 4116.679}, {"text": "committee so Mr Russell along with his wife is dedicated member of a community um they gracely offered me to host uh", "start": 4116.679, "end": 4123.64}, {"text": "they gracely offered to host the fundraiser for what the space and the food provided for them for me with any", "start": 4123.64, "end": 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12658.08}, {"text": "it's not as easy as Mr weiner suggests and I knew that and that's why I had to", "start": 12658.08, "end": 12664.68}, {"text": "fold the campaign along with the uh the personal issues that we had uh with my", "start": 12664.68, "end": 12671.52}, {"text": "family I do respect the committee and I apologize that I couldn't make it the uh", "start": 12671.52, "end": 12677.52}, {"text": "in March when you had your your your your meetings um but again it everything", "start": 12677.52, "end": 12684}, {"text": "everything to do it was going on with my family um and let me just got a couple", "start": 12684, "end": 12690.68}, {"text": "more notes I just want to make sure I get everything", "start": 12690.68, "end": 12694.64}, {"text": "in um Mr mamal lady thank you I I don't want to cut you off but if there's", "start": 12697.76, "end": 12703.16}, {"text": "anything that you haven't already spoken to then please do present it otherwise", "start": 12703.16, "end": 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