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{"text": "ready thank you chair I'm Carrie Brooks Joiner director of strategic initiatives on the health and safe communities", "start": 2356.44, "end": 2362.56}, {"text": "Department we are very pleased to present this work today to the subcommittee it's been just over a year", "start": 2362.56, "end": 2368.96}, {"text": "since the project started till today the work was kicked off following the First", "start": 2368.96, "end": 2374.44}, {"text": "Community benefit subcommittee meeting that was held in September of 2023 and", "start": 2374.44, "end": 2379.72}, {"text": "Brienne gko was contracted internally to complete the research and that work", "start": 2379.72, "end": 2384.839}, {"text": "started in November of last year and was completed this past", "start": 2384.839, "end": 2392.28}, {"text": "April there were many tense weeks at the end of the report", "start": 2392.28, "end": 2398.04}, {"text": "at the end of the project as all the files and the nearly completed report were 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"start": 2490.319, "end": 2496.28}, {"text": "Brien ah okay so clerks has the presentation thank", "start": 2496.28, "end": 2503.079}, {"text": "you hello and thank you I'm Brienne gash senior project manager uh now in Housing", "start": 2503.079, "end": 2508.88}, {"text": "Services uh previously with strategic initiatives working on uh this body of", "start": 2508.88, "end": 2514.04}, {"text": "work so I'd like to just Begin by talking uh a little bit about the first recommendation in the staff report which", "start": 2514.04, "end": 2520.28}, {"text": "is surrounding the terminology used to describe this work um", "start": 2520.28, "end": 2525.599}, {"text": "and after uh after conducting research and both through um sorry next slide", "start": 2525.599, "end": 2531.76}, {"text": "please through both a thorough review of current literature um and a comprehensive jurisdictional scan we", "start": 2531.76, "end": 2538.28}, {"text": "identified the terminology that's most frequently 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"frame okay we'll move on to the next slide please and just a just one more slide", "start": 3431.88, "end": 3438.28}, {"text": "just to talk about social procurement very briefly um oh we'll go back to the next slide sorry wonderful so what", "start": 3438.28, "end": 3445.88}, {"text": "social procurement is and what it is not sometimes it's as important to Define what something is as it is to say what", "start": 3445.88, "end": 3452}, {"text": "it's what it's not so social procurement is city-led process um it's an", "start": 3452, "end": 3457.359}, {"text": "opportunity for social and economic benefits it is scalable you know as", "start": 3457.359, "end": 3462.68}, {"text": "mentioned there are so many ways to approach uh social procurement and depending how that pilot is framed or", "start": 3462.68, "end": 3468.839}, {"text": "how that program is framed uh there are many Avenues through which to explore this it's an efficient process because", "start": 3468.839, "end": 3475.559}, {"text": "we do have that Foundation through our existing policies and our existing", "start": 3475.559, "end": 3480.72}, {"text": "processes and as mentioned it's applicable to the purchase of service and goods across the corporation what", "start": 3480.72, "end": 3487.52}, {"text": "social procurement is not is it is not private sector development so social", "start": 3487.52, "end": 3492.92}, {"text": "procurement would not pertain to um that private large infrastructure development it's not limited to Capital", "start": 3492.92, "end": 3499.559}, {"text": "infrastructure projects um and it's also not a program that would require supplementary", "start": 3499.559, "end": 3504.92}, {"text": "agreements to existing procurement contracts um so a little bit uh a little more streamlined if you will it's also a", "start": 3504.92, "end": 3513.119}, {"text": "a program and a process that does not require third-party monitors something that often is required and is important", "start": 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3561.359, "end": 3566.96}, {"text": "lead to a successful program and that meets its intended goals so as we did in", "start": 3566.96, "end": 3573.28}, {"text": "2018 with uh the previous Pilots that we've run um we're going to follow a similar path in conducting small scale", "start": 3573.28, "end": 3581}, {"text": "Pilots uh using evaluation criteria um we're going to look to Bitter questionnaires and potentially have some", "start": 3581, "end": 3587.72}, {"text": "weighted outcomes for social value in any of our tenders and rfps um of course prior to the", "start": 3587.72, "end": 3594.079}, {"text": "implementation of the pilots we're going to do significant Outreach to vendor Community as well and more importantly", "start": 3594.079, "end": 3600.119}, {"text": "with the connect organizations to ensure that we really have that supply of the workforce and we have ready Work Ready", "start": 3600.119, "end": 3608.28}, {"text": "candidates in order to um ensure the successes of 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3697.599, "end": 3702.599}, {"text": "next so these are our next steps as part of the capacity to build the support of this type of work special projects", "start": 3703, "end": 3709.68}, {"text": "position was created in the procurement Division and the recruitment for that position is underway the work to Dev Vel", "start": 3709.68, "end": 3716.16}, {"text": "and implement the pilot will be incorporate into this position's work plan for 2025 in addition existing sources have", "start": 3716.16, "end": 3723.72}, {"text": "been identified within healthy and safe communities to support the pilot in 2025 and following the approval of", "start": 3723.72, "end": 3730.319}, {"text": "funding and the authority to engage a consultant procurement staff will initiate a competitive procurement", "start": 3730.319, "end": 3735.92}, {"text": "process to engage a consultant next slide", "start": 3735.92, "end": 3742.839}, {"text": "please and this is just a snapshot of the timing so um with 2021 we 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"end": 3792.599}, {"text": "those kinds of things on the report so before we get to the report just any questions on the presentation that was", "start": 3792.599, "end": 3798.319}, {"text": "just delivered I'll take a speakers list I see first councelor hang member Nichol Sky member Andress councelor hang take", "start": 3798.319, "end": 3805.599}, {"text": "it way thank you um just through you chair Brienne um when you were doing", "start": 3805.599, "end": 3811.68}, {"text": "your conversations with all of the other municipalities were they able to share with you actual documents and policies", "start": 3811.68, "end": 3817.16}, {"text": "like an actual framework on how they were making decisions on all of these um different ways of doing", "start": 3817.16, "end": 3824.76}, {"text": "it through you chair thank you for the question um there are there were a number of municipalities that do do have", "start": 3824.76, "end": 3831.44}, {"text": "their actual framework documents and they're available most of them are publicly available so yes those were", "start": 3831.44, "end": 3837.039}, {"text": "shared by the municipalities that had developed those um there are some municipalities who went straight to", "start": 3837.039, "end": 3842.119}, {"text": "developing a policy um and led with a policy so um yes th those that had them", "start": 3842.119, "end": 3847.64}, {"text": "shared them okay my second question through you chair is um when you were speaking with all these other", "start": 3847.64, "end": 3854}, {"text": "municipalities did they talk about how they brought it forward to the rest of", "start": 3854, "end": 3859.079}, {"text": "the organization because it strikes me that to move forward on something like this requires some level of change", "start": 3859.079, "end": 3865.92}, {"text": "management so I was wondering did they actually share with you some of their sort of challenges or what they did in", "start": 3865.92, "end": 3871.52}, {"text": "order to actually roll it out across the organization yes um so one of the pieces", "start": 3871.52, "end": 3878.44}, {"text": "that we did speak about in in particular um was about how um this work actually", "start": 3878.44, "end": 3885.16}, {"text": "came to be in the organization and who championed it first so that was a really interesting conversation with each", "start": 3885.16, "end": 3890.44}, {"text": "municipality whether was it Council or their Community organizations was it staff l and that definitely um changed", "start": 3890.44, "end": 3897.4}, {"text": "the approach in each municipality uh with how they were able to approach it socializing this idea was was incredibly", "start": 3897.4, "end": 3904.72}, {"text": "important for each municipality so having conversations internally and externally during development was really", "start": 3904.72, "end": 3911.359}, {"text": "key to success um and part of the the work that we did internally was I spoke", "start": 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common and somewhat correlated with um later", "start": 3959.2, "end": 3964.559}, {"text": "success of the program oh okay um perhaps just as a additional", "start": 3964.559, "end": 3970.88}, {"text": "supplemental then is um as municipalities are rolling this out and they need to be able to talk about this", "start": 3970.88, "end": 3977.44}, {"text": "externally um did they speak about what were some of their um experiences with", "start": 3977.44, "end": 3983.799}, {"text": "just socializing this external because you do want Community buyin as well so", "start": 3983.799, "end": 3989.24}, {"text": "what was what was that like what did that come up in conversation at all through the chair yes that did come up", "start": 3989.24, "end": 3994.48}, {"text": "in conversation um and the external socialization of this um of this concept", "start": 3994.48, "end": 4000.799}, {"text": "is really important to and that's a little bit what I was touching on when I spoke about the stakeholder 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"those like as we're starting from a Time Zero and we're at a we're at the base level at this point um when you were", "start": 4051.92, "end": 4059.4}, {"text": "having these conversations with other municipalities did they share with you how they benchmarked themselves um it's", "start": 4059.4, "end": 4066.48}, {"text": "I think it's more complicated than just saying we had it and we don't have it or um we're at we're we're at zero because", "start": 4066.48, "end": 4073.319}, {"text": "we haven't had it and then I just want to understand how do we level set ourselves and how do we Benchmark this", "start": 4073.319, "end": 4079.359}, {"text": "so that way we can get a better evaluative framework as we move through this pilot phase process and that sort", "start": 4079.359, "end": 4086.16}, {"text": "of thing through you chair just for clarification counselor wng um are you", "start": 4086.16, "end": 4091.2}, {"text": "referring to as municipalities progress in this work how they 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all my questions chk you", "start": 4178.52, "end": 4186}, {"text": "with the chair's Indulgence can I add to that answer take it away all right one of the strong lessons learns was there", "start": 4186, "end": 4192.04}, {"text": "was no one way to do to do uh uh this work and certainly the range of", "start": 4192.04, "end": 4198.08}, {"text": "benchmarking also reflected that across municipalities either done really well", "start": 4198.08, "end": 4203.12}, {"text": "or not done at all and all the way in between part of the um report back to", "start": 4203.12, "end": 4209.6}, {"text": "committee with the proposed pilot would be benchmarking suitable for the city of", "start": 4209.6, "end": 4216.56}, {"text": "Hamilton if approved to go forward with that", "start": 4216.56, "end": 4221.559}, {"text": "work thanks very much councelor hang member Nicholas CA thank you through you chair I have a few", "start": 4222.04, "end": 4227.56}, {"text": "questions let me know if I have to add myself back to the speaker list um through you chair uh to the senior", "start": 4227.56, "end": 4233.32}, {"text": "project manager uh just some questions as I'm trying to lean into the argumentation and um uh regarding the", "start": 4233.32, "end": 4240.08}, {"text": "change of the terminology to social value um you had remarked that uh one of the changes uh to legislation was the", "start": 4240.08, "end": 4247.4}, {"text": "community benefits charge renamed in 2022 that's a relatively recent um change you noted that as well whereas", "start": 4247.4, "end": 4254}, {"text": "the ter the term benefits re exist this uh pretty considerably but you mentioned that there is confusion around this", "start": 4254, "end": 4261.12}, {"text": "whereas I would imagine the confusion would rest uh and burden in fact the charges um are there any tangible", "start": 4261.12, "end": 4267.64}, {"text": "examples of where this confusion led to issues rather locally or", "start": 4267.64, "end": 4273.6}, {"text": "jurisdictionally through the chair thank you for the question so the um yeah the", "start": 4273.6, "end": 4279.8}, {"text": "the piece about there being confusion or kind of even conflation around those terms um that emerged through", "start": 4279.8, "end": 4285.76}, {"text": "conversations with each municipality one of the key questions that I asked them was um why have you chose chosen to name", "start": 4285.76, "end": 4292.52}, {"text": "the pro your program what you've named it how you know how are you defining your terminology so we went through kind", "start": 4292.52, "end": 4299.28}, {"text": "of the the nitty-gritty on the terms and something that emerged from those conversations was um there's a number of", "start": 4299.28, "end": 4306.28}, {"text": "municipalities as I mentioned and as as you're aware that has I've been doing this for many years right five seven 10", "start": 4306.28, "end": 4312.719}, {"text": "plus years um those municipalities by 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"that time we were directed to stand down so that's where we left it at hopefully", "start": 4785.639, "end": 4791.12}, {"text": "with this uh with the implementation that development and the implementation at least I'm looking for the special", "start": 4791.12, "end": 4798.6}, {"text": "projects SPM to assist with that and then it'll get handed over to the procurement specialist uh but that at", "start": 4798.6, "end": 4804.6}, {"text": "that time we'll have to uh reflect as well to see if it's uh sustainable in that respect or if we need to ask for", "start": 4804.6, "end": 4811.6}, {"text": "additional ftes as well just to Monitor and continue it on thank you thank you", "start": 4811.6, "end": 4818.239}, {"text": "chair very welcome uh member Andreas thank you um so in in the presentation", "start": 4818.239, "end": 4824.32}, {"text": "um as just wanted to ask a couple of quick questions excellent work on the jurisdictional scan and the reaching out", "start": 4824.32, "end": 4829.48}, {"text": "of municipalities thank you again as always for your incredibly hard work on um uh a very comprehensive look at um", "start": 4829.48, "end": 4836.96}, {"text": "other municipalities and their their jurisdictions so I wanted to ask one of the things that you mentioned during", "start": 4836.96, "end": 4842.52}, {"text": "your um during your presentation was specifically around an internal staff and culture um training piece um so I'm", "start": 4842.52, "end": 4851.44}, {"text": "I'm wondering if that might be one of the ways to over over come some of the um challenges with the provincial", "start": 4851.44, "end": 4857.92}, {"text": "government's renaming of community benefit charges the other question I have is in the presentation um and the", "start": 4857.92, "end": 4865.239}, {"text": "jurisdictional scan that you did perform I didn't see a lot of mention of the federal Community employment benefits", "start": 4865.239, "end": 4870.8}, {"text": "program um 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5069.679, "end": 5076.48}, {"text": "employment services being removed I believe Toronto was slated to go through a similar um process uh in quarter 2 of", "start": 5076.48, "end": 5084.119}, {"text": "2025 um so they'll be you know dealing with some substantial challenges of their own in their in the way that they", "start": 5084.119, "end": 5090}, {"text": "handle these types of of situations but I am um where that there are great many", "start": 5090, "end": 5095.679}, {"text": "including members of the community benefits Network employment service agencies if not for profits in the city of Hamilton who do a lot of great", "start": 5095.679, "end": 5102.44}, {"text": "employment service work funded both federally and provincially um so in terms of that stakeholder consultant and", "start": 5102.44, "end": 5108.8}, {"text": "in terms of of um the next steps in terms of the social value outcome um", "start": 5108.8, "end": 5114.44}, {"text": "pilot that you're proposing uh through this presentation I'm just curious where those organizations would fit into that", "start": 5114.44, "end": 5121.04}, {"text": "stakeholder I heard a lot about internal stakeholders City stakeholders but I didn't hear a lot about community and", "start": 5121.04, "end": 5126.52}, {"text": "outside stakeholders and engagement um so I wanted to see because it's sort of mentioned in the presentation around", "start": 5126.52, "end": 5132.88}, {"text": "this engagement if you could flesh that out a little bit for me and another thing um from the presentation that you", "start": 5132.88, "end": 5139.119}, {"text": "briefly mention um and then as mentioned in your excellent jurisdictional scan is", "start": 5139.119, "end": 5144.28}, {"text": "the guiding principles um that are developed by various municipalities for the how they're going to undertake this", "start": 5144.28, "end": 5151.239}, {"text": "social value procurement you mentioned it I alluded to it a little bit in your presentation but I'm just wondering", "start": 5151.239, "end": 5157.119}, {"text": "again on that that stakeholder piece on how you plan to frame that those those questions and how how to get the best", "start": 5157.119, "end": 5163.84}, {"text": "terms of what the ma in Hamilton solution is as it were thank", "start": 5163.84, "end": 5169.719}, {"text": "you so through the chair for your first question Carl", "start": 5169.719, "end": 5174.8}, {"text": "um I think it's in our best interest to go back to see what we did in 2018 2019", "start": 5174.8, "end": 5181.119}, {"text": "and what we did well and with respect to to the external engagement um it'll be", "start": 5181.119, "end": 5187.84}, {"text": "basically once we uh hire the consultant and figure out what the scope of work", "start": 5187.84, "end": 5193.4}, {"text": "will be for the consultant um perhaps at that time it's putting out some Communications to the community um to", "start": 5193.4, "end": 5201.56}, {"text": "all the communities and stakeholders within Hamilton to open the door again for social procurement and to see how", "start": 5201.56, "end": 5208.56}, {"text": "they would like to be engaged and when they would like to be engaged and I think it's a two-way conversation I", "start": 5208.56, "end": 5214.639}, {"text": "really can't put my finger on this time how we go about that but I know it's it's got to be that two-way uh", "start": 5214.639, "end": 5221.84}, {"text": "conversation between the external community and the City of Hamilton and then we'll need to bring in the vendors", "start": 5221.84, "end": 5228.679}, {"text": "as well so what we learned from the first Pilots we did we couldn't do enough Community engagement and", "start": 5228.679, "end": 5235.6}, {"text": "conversation so we're going to revisit that look to see what we did well and", "start": 5235.6, "end": 5240.84}, {"text": "capitalize on that and and look to the consultant to see if they have any other 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correct thank you that's all the questions I have on the on the", "start": 5439.8, "end": 5446.36}, {"text": "presentation thanks very much and now we to councelor Moran Wilson who's joining us virtually", "start": 5447.199, "end": 5454.04}, {"text": "thank you uh thank you for the presentation and the report can I just", "start": 5454.04, "end": 5459.119}, {"text": "uh begin with um could you offer me a definition of social value procurement", "start": 5459.119, "end": 5466.679}, {"text": "procurement", "start": 5466.679, "end": 5469.4}, {"text": "please yes through the chair so social Val value procurement um could be", "start": 5473.159, "end": 5478.199}, {"text": "defined as leveraging existing spending on goods and services across the", "start": 5478.199, "end": 5483.28}, {"text": "corporation to deliver additional social value outcomes that go above and beyond", "start": 5483.28, "end": 5488.96}, {"text": "the C above and beyond the primary project", "start": 5488.96, "end": 5494.4}, {"text": "deliverable okay", "start": 5494.4, "end": 5497.76}, {"text": "thanks and um if I could just drill into this social value", "start": 5499.6, "end": 5506.88}, {"text": "um social as opposed to say community Prosperity can you can you just help me", "start": 5506.88, "end": 5512.6}, {"text": "out on the framing of social and why you think um arguably at this time in our", "start": 5512.6, "end": 5521.04}, {"text": "political uh history there there would be value in having the word value are", "start": 5521.04, "end": 5527.84}, {"text": "social through the chair um yeah thank you for that question that's something", "start": 5530.96, "end": 5536}, {"text": "that came up a lot in conversation um through the jurisdictional scan in interviews with other", "start": 5536, "end": 5541.639}, {"text": "municipalities um and there there was conversation about why the word social", "start": 5541.639, "end": 5547.36}, {"text": "um because we all of us have many definitions of 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very much councelor Wilson", "start": 6070.56, "end": 6077.28}, {"text": "just really briefly wanted to just offer if I could a brief response to your question about the cognitive distance", "start": 6077.28, "end": 6082.8}, {"text": "and time inside the bureaucracy as the chair of this committee having had a chance to speak to some folks there was", "start": 6082.8, "end": 6088.159}, {"text": "just a general confusion around a section 37 in the planning act and those kinds of really specific kind of", "start": 6088.159, "end": 6094.36}, {"text": "community benefits there the words Community plus the word benefits generally speaking what that looks like", "start": 6094.36, "end": 6099.88}, {"text": "we talked about this openly about things like a grocery store and there was a report in 2022 in June um that talked", "start": 6099.88, "end": 6105.92}, {"text": "about Community benefits charges the Comm Community benefits charge strategy and that report if you look at that I", "start": 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any speakers for the report oh sorry pardon me councelor", "start": 6144.28, "end": 6151.159}, {"text": "chison I just couldn't buzz in on my microphone you can wave to me anytime I see you and I will recognize you so so", "start": 6151.159, "end": 6158.96}, {"text": "just in general um to the presentation so I'm sitting here in the community", "start": 6158.96, "end": 6165.08}, {"text": "benefits protocol subcommittee and yet I'm hearing all", "start": 6165.08, "end": 6170.159}, {"text": "about terminology that talks about social value and so forth would it", "start": 6170.159, "end": 6175.88}, {"text": "be wise in order to DEC confuse the situation maybe rename this committee or", "start": 6175.88, "end": 6181.56}, {"text": "is it committee going to fall under like are we going to later on go into bigger", "start": 6181.56, "end": 6187.56}, {"text": "areas of community benefits just throwing that over there right now for great exercise of", "start": 6187.56, "end": 6193}, {"text": "foreshadowing Council ttis we're going to attempt to Broach that subject in the reports on the floor by talking about", "start": 6193, "end": 6198.28}, {"text": "what we might do to support the committee's work going forward and that may at some time be an opportunity to", "start": 6198.28, "end": 6203.88}, {"text": "change the committee's name though that's not on the table for today uh you raised an important Point um of", "start": 6203.88, "end": 6209.119}, {"text": "foreshadowing that's coming in the moments ahead and I respect that answer chair but could I hear from", "start": 6209.119, "end": 6215.44}, {"text": "staff you can um hear from them sure go for it thank you through you chair to the", "start": 6215.44, "end": 6222.88}, {"text": "counselor so we would uh seek Clarity on the direction the future", "start": 6222.88, "end": 6230.159}, {"text": "direction of the committee and then it would be staff's recommendation that the naming the nomenclature matches so that", "start": 6230.159, "end": 6237.88}, {"text": "if if there is a broader piece then perhaps the committee is broader if it", "start": 6237.88, "end": 6243.32}, {"text": "is um more focused than the name of the committee um reflects the work that's", "start": 6243.32, "end": 6250.84}, {"text": "happening we would we would be in agreement that we would want to simplify and not have confusion happening with", "start": 6250.84, "end": 6256.679}, {"text": "reports and a different nomenclature at the committee naming level so if that's", "start": 6256.679, "end": 6262.4}, {"text": "helpful and then just in seeing the steps that are recommended", "start": 6262.4, "end": 6271.28}, {"text": "um basically it says along the lines of social procurement pilot project I think", "start": 6271.28, "end": 6278.199}, {"text": "that's kind of what you're looking at here", "start": 6278.199, "end": 6282.92}, {"text": "um the recommendations say for us that we're going to use a consultant to", "start": 6284.52, 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{"text": "uh we could use in our procurement documents with respect to social value evaluation criteria and so on and so", "start": 6339.28, "end": 6346.44}, {"text": "forth so it's not really just uh forming the framework but it's it's much more than that", "start": 6346.44, "end": 6354.239}, {"text": "I can respect that answer I I understand that it is about the training and so forth but again I", "start": 6357.52, "end": 6363.719}, {"text": "think doesn't that expertise lie within our staff or is that beyond the", "start": 6363.719, "end": 6370.159}, {"text": "capabilities of staff to and I know and I know that there was some requests to add additional FTE and", "start": 6370.159, "end": 6377.4}, {"text": "so forth um just in a cost analysis is it better", "start": 6377.4, "end": 6382.639}, {"text": "to hire internally or is it better to use an external consultant if we're", "start": 6382.639, "end": 6389.36}, {"text": "going to keep going back at this and and and it's going to be a long process to educate such like a jurisdiction as big", "start": 6389.36, "end": 6397.92}, {"text": "as ours just a small point of order through", "start": 6397.92, "end": 6403.32}, {"text": "the chair before we continue uh you can have a point of order of any size go", "start": 6403.32, "end": 6408.76}, {"text": "ahead um I just thought that maybe we should vote on accepting the the presentation and move to the the report", "start": 6408.76, "end": 6416.119}, {"text": "on the floor before we have these broader discussions it seems like we're kind of drifting into report questions I", "start": 6416.119, "end": 6422.56}, {"text": "mean we've been drifting to report questions for some time but it seems like every everybody wanted to do that so I just let it go so so the C has and", "start": 6422.56, "end": 6429.4}, {"text": "finish and and then we can sort of uh close the bracket here and open this will be my last question I", "start": 6429.4, "end": 6436.44}, {"text": "promise thank you through you chair to the counselor so we are working to to", "start": 6436.44, "end": 6443.76}, {"text": "respond to the Mandate of the committee and the community needs amongst the workload that our staff find themselves", "start": 6443.76, "end": 6450.88}, {"text": "in so uh what you have before you is I think it's a combination of there being", "start": 6450.88, "end": 6456.96}, {"text": "specialized expertise that we think would be helpful and beneficial to the city it is also a capacity piece and", "start": 6456.96, "end": 6464.92}, {"text": "when I think in particular of our director of procurement who could likely do this work the other alternative is", "start": 6464.92, "end": 6471.36}, {"text": "for us to come back and and say we could do this work internally and then these", "start": 6471.36, "end": 6477.52}, {"text": "particular projects uh would need to stop we have had that discussion and the", "start": 6477.52, "end": 6484.4}, {"text": "the recommendation of staff is that we believe that the alternative work that we would stop are things that would be", "start": 6484.4, "end": 6492.199}, {"text": "the same or higher priority and be very challenging to put forward as as a", "start": 6492.199, "end": 6498.599}, {"text": "remedy um in light of all the other work that is um on the work plan and and", "start": 6498.599, "end": 6504.599}, {"text": "quite urgent as well thank you thank you for that folsome answer", "start": 6504.599, "end": 6510.04}, {"text": "and I would just like to throw this out there that I did hear that there is no", "start": 6510.04, "end": 6515.4}, {"text": "one way to do the work it's just about starting the work and doing that work in order to learn from the doing so like I", "start": 6515.4, "end": 6523.159}, {"text": "said I would rather always contain that within and keep that um what would I say", "start": 6523.159, "end": 6530.04}, {"text": "keep that capacity and develop that capacity here um inside the city as", "start": 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{"text": "skaya and so now I'll entertain if there's any questions on the report as a road map ahead for how we're going to", "start": 6574.239, "end": 6579.8}, {"text": "try and do this in a timely manner just everyone knows um I promise everyone that today's meeting wouldn't last three", "start": 6579.8, "end": 6586.52}, {"text": "hours so we're going to try and deal with a couple things here so we're going to try", "start": 6586.52, "end": 6591.88}, {"text": "and add a new recommendation G and that's been prepared and shared in advance we're going to try and then take", "start": 6591.88, "end": 6597.96}, {"text": "some of these things and move them over to the procurement subcommittee because they're very procurement specific and", "start": 6597.96, "end": 6603.36}, {"text": "then we're going to try and address the larger elephant in the room which is how does this committee carry on doing this", "start": 6603.36, "end": 6608.52}, {"text": "work without the resources at hand to do it and people have been helpful in trying to craft some language we're not", "start": 6608.52, "end": 6614.84}, {"text": "going to be able to display all the language on the screen right now because we have a bit of trouble getting in touch with some key people at the city about exactly what that process will", "start": 6614.84, "end": 6620.96}, {"text": "look like in terms of the wording but trust everyone here will get the right wording in time for our next approval phase as we go through the subcommittee", "start": 6620.96, "end": 6627.639}, {"text": "committee Council process on that note and just keeping that all in mind anyone who has comments or questions on the", "start": 6627.639, "end": 6633.239}, {"text": "report itself that wanted to bring those up now go for it I'll look for hands all right member Nichol SK carry on um uh", "start": 6633.239, "end": 6641.52}, {"text": "through you chair uh to whomever can answer this best um just some questions um in the report it talks 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single um ft e resource within the city Carrie I believe has", "start": 6829.96, "end": 6835.48}, {"text": "something to add yeah thank you for the question and through the chair yes we did have that robust conversation about", "start": 6835.48, "end": 6842.56}, {"text": "different scenarios and one of the overriding factors in the recommendation", "start": 6842.56, "end": 6847.599}, {"text": "um or the recommendation that we landed on was speed how quickly or what would", "start": 6847.599, "end": 6853.719}, {"text": "be the most um expedient um path and uh", "start": 6853.719, "end": 6859.119}, {"text": "it was clear that an the hiring of an external consultant would be quicker", "start": 6859.119, "end": 6864.36}, {"text": "than any recruitment process either on a temporary or a full-time", "start": 6864.36, "end": 6870.48}, {"text": "basis okay I'm not see oh pardon me member Vice chair Andreas um yeah I'd like to move an amendment to the", "start": 6872.48, "end": 6880.679}, {"text": "recommendation uh at this time sure let's see if we have any other questions speakers before we get to any amendments", "start": 6880.679, "end": 6886}, {"text": "and other kinds of things well then we can get to you certainly just want to make sure I have a gander here in my little chat when tell me who's next um I", "start": 6886, "end": 6893.92}, {"text": "do see councelor Wilson has a question so if you don't mind I'll let her ask her questions first and then we'll get to amendments other kinds of things councelor", "start": 6893.92, "end": 6901.239}, {"text": "Wilson thank you um I um I'm I'm still a little", "start": 6901.32, "end": 6910}, {"text": "needing some assistance on understanding um the", "start": 6910, "end": 6915.8}, {"text": "recommendations and the role of this committee the role of the FTE and the", "start": 6915.8, "end": 6923}, {"text": "role of staff so if I could just I if I'm looking at recommendation", "start": 6923, "end": 6930.159}, {"text": "c um 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6988.28, "end": 6998.44}, {"text": "the information and the training aspect for corporate staff is is going to be", "start": 6998.44, "end": 7004.96}, {"text": "staged I think at the very beginning we need to have that introductory", "start": 7004.96, "end": 7010.76}, {"text": "um introdu uction to the staff of what social value procurement is and then", "start": 7010.76, "end": 7017.159}, {"text": "once the consultant is on board then we'll be able to develop goals and", "start": 7017.159, "end": 7022.28}, {"text": "objectives for the program we'll have a draft policy um we'll be drafting user", "start": 7022.28, "end": 7027.719}, {"text": "guides and templates and tools and then once we have those then again we need to", "start": 7027.719, "end": 7032.84}, {"text": "go back out to staff and do some more change management and to and to show", "start": 7032.84, "end": 7038.48}, {"text": "staff why we need to implement social value procurement and how to do it and", "start": 7038.48, "end": 7044.44}, {"text": "so you're right recommendation C kind of is fairly high up in the order of", "start": 7044.44, "end": 7051.48}, {"text": "recommendations they're I don't think they're necessarily in chronological order um but the training is going to be", "start": 7051.48, "end": 7059.239}, {"text": "extensive it's just not a one-time Venture if you will just because that", "start": 7059.239, "end": 7064.8}, {"text": "the change management and the understanding of social value procurement is not easy it's taken me", "start": 7064.8, "end": 7070.52}, {"text": "years to figure it out and I'm not even sure I figured that it out yet so I'm", "start": 7070.52, "end": 7075.639}, {"text": "still learning no thank you for that um I", "start": 7075.639, "end": 7081.04}, {"text": "appreciate your grace um Tina but I I I do do think it's um we've spent a lot of", "start": 7081.04, "end": 7088.639}, {"text": "time uh this afternoon on definitions and understanding deliverables and um 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if there was political advantage to itemizing", "start": 7191.52, "end": 7198.679}, {"text": "anything as a social value I haven't seen it otherwise we wouldn't have the health care crisis and the housing", "start": 7198.679, "end": 7204.159}, {"text": "crisis that we do so I'm I I would prefer some um massaging of that term", "start": 7204.159, "end": 7211.199}, {"text": "although I respect the fact that it would leave Hamilton perhaps as an outlier but I don't think it it doesn't", "start": 7211.199, "end": 7217.679}, {"text": "say anything to the public um I would prefer something like community prosp it", "start": 7217.679, "end": 7222.84}, {"text": "and that enables us to actually own the term um and Define that Prosperity is", "start": 7222.84, "end": 7229.56}, {"text": "actually more than uh singular deliverable but I'll leave my comment it's just a one about words thank", "start": 7229.56, "end": 7238.04}, {"text": "you thanks councelor Wilson so seeing no further speakers on 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um the the by removing the phrase develop a social value framework", "start": 7289.56, "end": 7297.639}, {"text": "and replace it with exploring social procurement", "start": 7297.639, "end": 7302.4}, {"text": "policies okay thank you so much so a couple things that are procedurally fun about this number one is um I think that", "start": 7304.159, "end": 7310.199}, {"text": "a counselor has to move the actual Amendment s if I recall that correctly no that's not what's happening no okay", "start": 7310.199, "end": 7315.679}, {"text": "sorry go ahead through the chair so we don't need to add a subsection for a def", "start": 7315.679, "end": 7322.88}, {"text": "or a referral okay um that can just be done but it has to be done by someone who hasn't spoken to the matter and I", "start": 7322.88, "end": 7330.639}, {"text": "believe you had qu you had questions on the report so you've already spoken I I haven't spoken on no on the on the", "start": 7330.639, "end": 7336.52}, {"text": "report 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{"text": "committee so maybe I'm misunderstanding so um the original", "start": 7711.239, "end": 7716.32}, {"text": "intention was for us just to get an information report back on the those outcomes um not to debate or override", "start": 7716.32, "end": 7725.599}, {"text": "afna or the subcommittee of of procurements I'm just going to jump in here so I think what's happening here is", "start": 7725.599, "end": 7731.96}, {"text": "just a thing in b or B is just saying that this is going to report back to the community", "start": 7731.96, "end": 7737.8}, {"text": "benefits protocol subcommittee the part that uh legislative coordinator just highlighted right so the question being", "start": 7737.8, "end": 7743.36}, {"text": "asked by councelor Moran Wilson is well wouldn't it make sense for actually this this this information from B to actually", "start": 7743.36, "end": 7749.159}, {"text": "report back to procurement since we're changing it to be about social procurement policies what what member", "start": 7749.159, "end": 7754.76}, {"text": "Andrew is saying is that b through F will all be referred to procurement anyways and so over there when they get", "start": 7754.76, "end": 7761.199}, {"text": "to procurement procurement will then be able to do what it wants over over at procurement before it goes to the next stage so I think what we're doing is", "start": 7761.199, "end": 7767.8}, {"text": "trying to accomplish the same thing possibly in two different ways we can either frontend that now by changing this to Safe procurement or we can just", "start": 7767.8, "end": 7774.559}, {"text": "refer this over to the procurement committee and they can deal with it Council Mor Wilson are you proposing that we perhaps take this part in B and", "start": 7774.559, "end": 7780.719}, {"text": "actually make it clear that we're trying to get it over to the procurement subcommittee and change this part in B so it's", "start": 7780.719, "end": 7786.88}, {"text": "clear I think thank you uh for the question chair I think because I have haven't been privy to the conversations", "start": 7786.88, "end": 7793.199}, {"text": "I'm thinking in terms of a a longitudinal lens I don't know what the role of this um Community benefit", "start": 7793.199, "end": 7802.4}, {"text": "subcommittee will be if the suggestion then is that much of the deliberations", "start": 7802.4, "end": 7808.639}, {"text": "on this will be done at a different table and so um that's where I'm going", "start": 7808.639, "end": 7815.92}, {"text": "with this what I suggested earlier and we haven't gotten there yet is then when we refer all this right what we would do is", "start": 7815.92, "end": 7822.92}, {"text": "say that the information would go to the procurement subcommittee with an information report to come here so we would get the information here and if we", "start": 7822.92, "end": 7828.079}, {"text": "wanted to act on it we could but the primary work would be done over there so that will come when this is all referred", "start": 7828.079, "end": 7833.559}, {"text": "that kind of clause will be there to ensure that like we're kept in the loop about what's happening but as the LC let", "start": 7833.559, "end": 7838.599}, {"text": "me know you can't actually have someone report to two places at once so that's the challenge that we have here is you", "start": 7838.599, "end": 7844.4}, {"text": "can't have a direct report of recommendations come we can be having made it aware by for instance when it's", "start": 7844.4, "end": 7849.719}, {"text": "report of the procurement subcommittee it's added here as item of Correspondence which we can lift and then we can address issues there if we wish to so we're kept informed as to", "start": 7849.719, "end": 7856.32}, {"text": "what's happening that for the time being seems like the only way to do it without trying to predict the future too much because once the procurement", "start": 7856.32, "end": 7862.119}, {"text": "subcommittee gets it they'll be able to act on this as they see fit okay thank you I guess I'm just not", "start": 7862.119, "end": 7869.44}, {"text": "appreciating what will be the future um", "start": 7869.44, "end": 7875.719}, {"text": "agenda and purpose of of this subcommittee so I'm I TR that will", "start": 7875.719, "end": 7881.88}, {"text": "become apparent in good time thank you thank you um one second sorry director", "start": 7881.88, "end": 7888.559}, {"text": "yako wanted to jump in with something go ahead and then we'll get back to the comments on the amendment to the chair", "start": 7888.559, "end": 7893.8}, {"text": "can I make one recommendation please or request sure please uh where it says exploring social procurement policies", "start": 7893.8, "end": 7900.8}, {"text": "could we change it to exploring a social procurement policy there could be multiple policies but it's an", "start": 7900.8, "end": 7907.119}, {"text": "overarching policy as opposed to so just singular as opposed to please thank you", "start": 7907.119, "end": 7912.159}, {"text": "sounds lovely thank you for the intervention put a y thank", "start": 7912.159, "end": 7918.079}, {"text": "you so on B not seeing further comments we have a mover and vice chair Andre", "start": 7918.719, "end": 7925.199}, {"text": "secretary and councelor hang all those in favor of B great that's passed now there's going", "start": 7925.199, "end": 7933.48}, {"text": "to be a motion to refer B through F yes and we don't need to add G anymore", "start": 7933.48, "end": 7940.76}, {"text": "because we're doing a motion to refer BNF with instructions which was going to be G but we don't need to have a g now", "start": 7940.76, "end": 7945.8}, {"text": "to do so according to the legislative coordinator yes and so then they'll be", "start": 7945.8, "end": 7950.92}, {"text": "Carl you want to speak to that but before we do that councelor H had a question procedure that she wanted to ask about that one", 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read it once and so we'll just put it on the screen at this just put it on screen in the proper", "start": 7994.96, "end": 8000.36}, {"text": "format for me second for that e through F second councelor hang", "start": 8000.36, "end": 8008.8}, {"text": "again who's quick on the draw while that's coming to the screen", "start": 8008.8, "end": 8014.679}, {"text": "next on your dance card will be us uh addressing the very question you asked councel Moran Wilson about what's going", "start": 8014.679, "end": 8020.119}, {"text": "to be going on at this committee", "start": 8020.119, "end": 8023.84}, {"text": "can you make that a little bigger for my my eyes make down here at the end of the", "start": 8036.679, "end": 8044.679}, {"text": "table thank you perfect", "start": 8045.96, "end": 8050.44}, {"text": "we're going to just take a moment of reading at this time um and I will take any speakers to this uh", "start": 8065.48, "end": 8071.96}, {"text": "once the reading is finished and people can speak to the instructions but not to", "start": 8071.96, "end": 8077.36}, {"text": "whether or not we're going to refer it I first on the speaker list see councelor Mor", "start": 8077.36, "end": 8083.239}, {"text": "Wilson thank you chair um so the procurement", "start": 8086.76, "end": 8093.4}, {"text": "subcommittee uh if this direction is fulfilled will receive this", "start": 8093.4, "end": 8101.239}, {"text": "report um and they will be", "start": 8101.239, "end": 8107.719}, {"text": "requested to um", "start": 8107.719, "end": 8113.159}, {"text": "adopt uh and support a social", "start": 8113.159, "end": 8118.92}, {"text": "procurement pilot policy and that that pilot be", "start": 8118.92, "end": 8124.28}, {"text": "informed with this priority and if that is all true which I", "start": 8124.28, "end": 8131.599}, {"text": "have said along with a um expenditure", "start": 8131.599, "end": 8137.44}, {"text": "ceiling could someone um with the governance Len lens help me understand", "start": 8138.559, "end": 8147.159}, {"text": "the capacity um of a a subcommittee to", "start": 8147.159, "end": 8153.48}, {"text": "inform and direct the work of another subcommittee thank", "start": 8153.48, "end": 8160.84}, {"text": "you I'll briefly just say that that our recommendations are approved by the committee subcommittee to which we", "start": 8163.4, "end": 8169.199}, {"text": "report and then once that approval has happened so a body above us right then that referral would take place", "start": 8169.199, "end": 8175.639}, {"text": "ultimately it'll be ratified by Council so that process will go up and then it'll go back down", "start": 8175.639, "end": 8182.92}, {"text": "again okay thank", "start": 8184.199, "end": 8188.32}, {"text": "you before we move on I know that staff wanted to comment on the referral", "start": 8189.28, "end": 8194.598}, {"text": "there's some language they want to address and so I'll go ahead and we may have some further discussion about it at that time thank you chair uh I I would", "start": 8194.599, "end": 8204.08}, {"text": "represent that the staff would appreciate if there would be um some", "start": 8204.08, "end": 8209.2}, {"text": "greater flexibility within the referral um there's we've just had some", "start": 8209.2, "end": 8216.2}, {"text": "conversations that the threshold of 200,000 and the equity deserving groups", "start": 8216.2, "end": 8222.439}, {"text": "and Indigenous uh businesses is an important Focus however could then uh", "start": 8222.44, "end": 8229.558}, {"text": "exclude other opportunities and would there be an openness amongst the", "start": 8229.559, "end": 8235.96}, {"text": "committee to amend the first part to say some of", "start": 8235.96, "end": 8241.399}, {"text": "or ensure that a portion of the projects are uh with the parameters that um Carl", "start": 8241.4, "end": 8249.96}, {"text": "has mentioned just so that we don't restrict ourselves and find that we can't do this work or don't have a", "start": 8249.96, "end": 8257}, {"text": "committee mandate to do the work Beyond um the smaller contracts with um the", "start": 8257, "end": 8265.04}, {"text": "groups that are mentioned so if I understand correctly what's being proposed is if if we could", "start": 8265.04, "end": 8271.24}, {"text": "change the language so that it's a little bit less exclusive um so that the", "start": 8271.24, "end": 8276.28}, {"text": "larger network of social procurement is included without us being too narrow but obviously still keeping those in there", "start": 8276.281, "end": 8282.04}, {"text": "so we see where the priority lies is that my general understanding of what you're saying okay so I look to the Mover on that in terms of whether or not", "start": 8282.04, "end": 8288.399}, {"text": "that'd be fine to change seems like a couple of a couple of words and a couple of prepositions to make that more more", "start": 8288.4, "end": 8293.92}, {"text": "inclusive s um so the original intent of that", "start": 8293.92, "end": 8299.04}, {"text": "threshold was actually going back to the June 24th Sandra Hamilton recommendation", "start": 8299.04, "end": 8304.8}, {"text": "that set some various outcomes some very clear procurement recommendations in in her documents uh around Equity deserving", "start": 8304.8, "end": 8312.558}, {"text": "groups and I'm I'm very afraid that in a social procurement pilot if we're not", "start": 8312.559, "end": 8317.638}, {"text": "targeting the specific groups that we want to help even if we fail at that um that that's a valuable lesson to learn", "start": 8317.639, "end": 8324.24}, {"text": "as a corporation whereas if the language is too broad we may end up with just um", "start": 8324.24, "end": 8330.28}, {"text": "an a undefined social value outcome um for the social procurement pilot so I'm", "start": 8330.281, "end": 8335.359}, {"text": "a little bit hesitant um to do that and then the the thresholds themselves were just drawn specifically from the", "start": 8335.36, "end": 8341.719}, {"text": "Consulting report that you guys did back in 2018 and 2019 in terms of of those", "start": 8341.719, "end": 8347.319}, {"text": "both uh um of goods and services thresholds for for pilots from that from", "start": 8347.32, "end": 8353.84}, {"text": "that report specifically um and to allow for um smaller businesses to access", "start": 8353.84, "end": 8360.76}, {"text": "these by by keeping the the threshold low as as Pilots so those were the the", "start": 8360.76, "end": 8366.678}, {"text": "specific thoughts um I know some of my other committee colleagues have some other thoughts as well so I", "start": 8366.679, "end": 8372.92}, {"text": "will yeah let me just make sure I understood I think actually I misunderstood and so my apologies I want to make sure we're all talking about the", "start": 8372.92, "end": 8379.12}, {"text": "same thing here and then before I take anybody else on it be let I one to speak my understanding of what you just", "start": 8379.12, "end": 8385.28}, {"text": "said was that you wanted us to broaden this out based on the groups that were", "start": 8385.281, "end": 8390.72}, {"text": "were listed is that right general manager Burton did you say you were talking about indigenous own diverse own inequity deserving businesses and that", "start": 8390.72, "end": 8396.88}, {"text": "was the group that I thought you were trying to expand out but here's the language it's already there it just says prioritize um and that's not exclusive", "start": 8396.88, "end": 8403.28}, {"text": "language so you'll be I don't think that's going to be exclusive if we're asking those things to be prioritized um", "start": 8403.28, "end": 8410.24}, {"text": "and then there was a discussion about the the dollar value but I didn't hear that being raised here I hear being raised here so I'm just just trying to", "start": 8410.24, "end": 8416.24}, {"text": "make sure we're all following along here so it seems like um there's from staff", "start": 8416.24, "end": 8421.319}, {"text": "about the word prioritize is that my understanding please clarify I want to", "start": 8421.319, "end": 8426.399}, {"text": "make sure we're having the right discussion go ahead through the chair for me I just need to have a full", "start": 8426.399, "end": 8432.68}, {"text": "understanding and I completely appreciate where um Mr Anders is coming from with respect to the 200,000 um if", "start": 8432.68, "end": 8442.16}, {"text": "we keep it at 200,000 then we're strap not being able to do an Invitational RFQ", "start": 8442.16, "end": 8447.92}, {"text": "or an RFP because it it surpasses the the Canadian Free Trade Agreement levels", "start": 8447.92, "end": 8453.68}, {"text": "so if we had more flexibility with respect to the dollar value I would appreciate that because that would allow us to do very smaller pilots and be", "start": 8453.68, "end": 8461.12}, {"text": "successful and Target the right um Community organizations with respect to the word", "start": 8461.12, "end": 8468.8}, {"text": "prioritize if there was no expectation behind that word I think then perhaps we could we could move forward with that", "start": 8468.8, "end": 8475.439}, {"text": "word I just don't want to I don't want to be restrictive for staff we fully", "start": 8475.439, "end": 8480.76}, {"text": "understand what these pilers are for because of we've done the pilots previously and the intent so I'm not", "start": 8480.76, "end": 8487.319}, {"text": "sure if we need um the mandate to move forward with these because that would be", "start": 8487.319, "end": 8493.2}, {"text": "the intent anyways okay couple things to clarify", "start": 8493.2, "end": 8499.399}, {"text": "before we keep moving just trying to make sure we're managing the conversation in a way that makes sense so I think what you said Tina was the opposite of what it says I think you", "start": 8499.399, 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"strapped because the contract itself is over 200,000 so I just don't want to get", "start": 8550.56, "end": 8555.84}, {"text": "caught up in the language that straps staff from doing the pilots we", "start": 8555.84, "end": 8562.24}, {"text": "fully understand the intent of the pilots and the um the equity deserving", "start": 8562.24, "end": 8567.68}, {"text": "groups to be reached out to and to engage um again I just we need some flexibility", "start": 8567.68, "end": 8574.84}, {"text": "it could be over the 200 it could be under if it's under the", "start": 8574.84, "end": 8580.72}, {"text": "133 100 threshold um then we can do certainly an invited uh invitation and we could", "start": 8580.72, "end": 8588.72}, {"text": "certainly spearhead those connector organizations um alone as opposed to doing something", "start": 8588.72, "end": 8595.08}, {"text": "public okay I hear what's happening here I think we're entering into a procurement discussion which is probably the original point", "start": 8595.08, "end": 8601.04}, {"text": "is part of trying to get this over to procurement this is just our recommendation to procurement they can do what they want over there I mean they", "start": 8601.04, "end": 8606.24}, {"text": "could amend this and change it before it comes back and and gets El that's why we're doing this in a certain kind of way this is just our recommendation here", "start": 8606.24, "end": 8613.2}, {"text": "um ultimately it's up to them I'll go to member neckolas guy and then to counselor Wilson though they had further comments on this and we'll try and see if we can resolve it through the", "start": 8613.2, "end": 8619.88}, {"text": "discussion uh thank you uh chair and uh through you chair um yeah I appreciate", "start": 8619.88, "end": 8624.96}, {"text": "the comment that was that you had raised about um the word prioritizing and whether or not that offered flexibility", "start": 8624.96, "end": 8631.16}, {"text": "I hope that it offers 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listening by listening yours on staff have raised two flags", "start": 9130.16, "end": 9135.52}, {"text": "with that issue and then um counc Mor mus has raised some other flags with", "start": 9135.52, "end": 9140.56}, {"text": "that part and so if anyone would like to ask the Mover to Friendly amend like amend this in a friendly manner they can", "start": 9140.56, "end": 9146.56}, {"text": "go for it and and or we can have a further Amendment and vote on a further amendment to strike that like there's", "start": 9146.56, "end": 9152.12}, {"text": "various paths forward here so I guess I would turn to you councelor Mor Wilson since you rais the concern as a member of the committee is there anything you'd", "start": 9152.12, "end": 9157.84}, {"text": "like to do at this", "start": 9157.84, "end": 9160.438}, {"text": "time well I just as the way it's not my motion respectfully it's not Theus is on", "start": 9163.52, "end": 9169.359}, {"text": "not on me to rewrite if the Mover seeks uh to incorporate any of the comments", "start": 9169.359, "end": 9175.359}, {"text": "back just as it is presently worded I won't wouldn't be able to support it because I think it's putting the cart um", "start": 9175.359, "end": 9181.88}, {"text": "for the horse it's defining a policy without the work of the policy work being", "start": 9181.88, "end": 9187.521}, {"text": "done okay so I'll turn to the Mover because what you're I'm just wanting to make sure we can move this process", "start": 9188.359, "end": 9193.84}, {"text": "forward in a way that makes legislative sense that's all so I don't want um I want everyone to understand what we're", "start": 9193.84, "end": 9199.359}, {"text": "going to do we vote on this so that if we're voting in favor or against we're voting for the whole thing if we don't want to amend it then we don't anybody", "start": 9199.359, "end": 9204.72}, {"text": "else want to speak to this at this time is if we", "start": 9204.72, "end": 9210.68}, {"text": "Andreas so the the Mandate of this committee was to come up with a a", "start": 9210.68, "end": 9216.16}, {"text": "community benefits protocol that was the Mandate of of this this committee the", "start": 9216.16, "end": 9221.56}, {"text": "McMaster report was to look at one aspect of community um benefits specifically social procurement and", "start": 9221.56, "end": 9229.24}, {"text": "develop a social procurement pilot projects I want to just make sure by", "start": 9229.24, "end": 9234.439}, {"text": "priorize targeted groups which is actually if you go through the the the", "start": 9234.439, "end": 9239.64}, {"text": "the appendix to the reports are all of the groups that tend to be prized in all of the municipalities based on the hard", "start": 9239.64, "end": 9246.08}, {"text": "work that's been done in the jurisdictional scan I just want to make sure that those Pilots are given the most um um priority towards that I don't", "start": 9246.08, "end": 9254.16}, {"text": "think 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path forward to develop that framework", "start": 9334.16, "end": 9341.319}, {"text": "of of the community benefits which is what this protocol advisory committee was was originally structured to do and", "start": 9341.319, "end": 9347.76}, {"text": "I just wanted this to be a social procur pilot with very narrow and leave it with procurement because they're the experts", "start": 9347.76, "end": 9353.96}, {"text": "in in in the city um on that particular piece of work so that's my", "start": 9353.96, "end": 9362.398}, {"text": "response okay and so just waiting for legislative coordinator because my thought is that what we may wish to do", "start": 9362.96, "end": 9368.56}, {"text": "is just have a referral with sections Parts A and B one is that we refer to the procurement subcommittee and B is", "start": 9368.56, "end": 9374.08}, {"text": "the rest of it so that we're still doing the work of referring it and we're not going to that motion is not going to potentially fit as a result of rest of", "start": 9374.08, "end": 9381.08}, {"text": "the language because I think everyone's on the board of this should go to the procurement subcommittee but um maybe", "start": 9381.08, "end": 9386.76}, {"text": "having an A and B might be something we can do legislative coordinator is just reviewing right now because I don't think the procedural bylaw speaks to", "start": 9386.76, "end": 9392.64}, {"text": "that splitting a referral into two bits so we may just be able to do so um or some other um procedural", "start": 9392.64, "end": 9399.16}, {"text": "gymnastics my job here is just to make sure we can actually have a legislative decision that makes sense at the end of", "start": 9399.16, "end": 9404.2}, {"text": "the day sorry for clarification from the in", "start": 9404.2, "end": 9409.84}, {"text": "the LC then we would be looking at reviewing um so", "start": 9409.84, "end": 9417.2}, {"text": "d c d no sorry let's just pause here", "start": 9417.2, "end": 9423.68}, {"text": "that's not what I'm suggesting we do just give me a second", "start": 9423.68, "end": 9428.801}, {"text": "okay so does anybody we can't split them into two sections thank you for looking into that legislative coordinator go I", "start": 9443.72, "end": 9448.88}, {"text": "appreciate your hard work during the middle of the meeting um I'm seeing some C tson did you want to speak to", "start": 9448.88, "end": 9455.72}, {"text": "this I'm just listening to what staff had asked and saying why can't we just strike and that the goods and services", "start": 9455.72, "end": 9462.72}, {"text": "special for pilot not exceed 200,000 why can't we just slash that out", "start": 9462.72, "end": 9470.84}, {"text": "you want to put that Amendment on the floor you're you're more than welcome to I'll put that Amendment on the floor if I've got a second", "start": 9470.84, "end": 9478.08}, {"text": "or okay councelor hang is going to Second slash out the bit from and if the", "start": 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9528.6}, {"text": "to take that out then that out if that's you know the will of procurement and that", "start": 9528.6, "end": 9533.92}, {"text": "helps right and so on that referral to the procurement", "start": 9534.68, "end": 9541.08}, {"text": "committee with these instructions for their further deliberation I'm going to", "start": 9541.08, "end": 9546.52}, {"text": "call the vote all those in favor of the", "start": 9546.52, "end": 9550.199}, {"text": "referral anyone opposed okay thank you very much that", "start": 9551.88, "end": 9557.2}, {"text": "carries 5 to one now I'm going to hand the chair to Vice", "start": 9557.2, "end": 9563.08}, {"text": "chair Andress to do my best to introduce something with respect to a", "start": 9563.08, "end": 9569.279}, {"text": "and I want to just start by saying that again we did our best to try and reach", "start": 9569.279, "end": 9576.12}, {"text": "Finance staff with respect to the budget process to ensure we could do this in exactly the right way um unfortunately", "start": 9576.12, "end": 9581.56}, {"text": "weren't able to connect with them fully so we have something here and I'll turn it to the legislative coordinator there", "start": 9581.56, "end": 9588.24}, {"text": "who will help I the chair thank you through the chair I uh was in", "start": 9588.24, "end": 9593.56}, {"text": "correspondence with the city clerk on the matter committee can't direct staff to prepare an amendment they could", "start": 9593.56, "end": 9599.52}, {"text": "request that Council consider an amendment um to the budget process and", "start": 9599.52, "end": 9604.76}, {"text": "then a member of council could work with staff offline to draft that amendment to bring forward to the GIC budget", "start": 9604.76, "end": 9613.119}, {"text": "process thanks Cameron and through the chair to legislative coordinator thanks very much uh some draft language to be", "start": 9615.359, "end": 9621.64}, {"text": "shared there and if I could speak to this briefly while the language is going up the purpose of this is to allow", "start": 9621.64, "end": 9628.68}, {"text": "for the work of this committee to carry on at this point and as you learned at the very beginning of this meeting um", "start": 9628.68, "end": 9634.64}, {"text": "Brien GCO is no longer with this work and is already on to doing other work at", "start": 9634.64, "end": 9640.08}, {"text": "the city of Hamilton and grateful that she was able to be here to help us today", "start": 9640.08, "end": 9645.2}, {"text": "but this is no longer part of her job and we don't have a resource at this point to be to the framework protocol", "start": 9645.2, "end": 9651.439}, {"text": "work that we need to be doing here as a whole the entire purpose of this committee is that it's going to develop a protocol or framework through which", "start": 9651.439, "end": 9658.88}, {"text": "Community benefits or social value however you want to understand that is going to function and flow in the city of Hamilton and we can't do that work if", "start": 9658.88, "end": 9665.16}, {"text": "we don't have a resource and so this motion will just be asking the budget process the mayor", "start": 9665.16, "end": 9670.8}, {"text": "council however we want to understand that process right to dedicate some type of resource to develop that framework", "start": 9670.8, "end": 9677.2}, {"text": "that's pretty much it and nutshell and that is a language that we've come up with at the moment based on the", "start": 9677.2, "end": 9682.64}, {"text": "information that's been received by the uh folks in our city clerk's office I think I need a", "start": 9682.64, "end": 9690.88}, {"text": "seconder c hang is going to", "start": 9692, "end": 9695.92}, {"text": "Second without this we are kind of a bit of a bit of a loggerhead so to speak in terms of how we do the primary work of", "start": 9699.12, "end": 9706.68}, {"text": "this committee so that why there is there any conversation on the 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it", "start": 9751.12, "end": 9757.439}, {"text": "like we do with everything here at the city so it's it's amending a to say we", "start": 9757.439, "end": 9763.12}, {"text": "need a person for that work", "start": 9763.12, "end": 9769.479}, {"text": "so are we taking our speakers list while are we finishing up with the amendment wording", "start": 9787.68, "end": 9794.6}, {"text": "first I'm waiting for the LC here so", "start": 9796.439, "end": 9801.12}, {"text": "see councelor Wilson and councelor taison as soon as we are finished", "start": 9808.72, "end": 9815}, {"text": "with dlc's sorry sorry through the chair I think what would be the best course of", "start": 9815.359, "end": 9821.52}, {"text": "action would be to defer a because if I'm understanding correctly", "start": 9821.52, "end": 9827.439}, {"text": "you need the resources to do a and that this new direction for the", "start": 9827.439, "end": 9836.12}, {"text": "for the budget resource requests be dealt with 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9997.96}, {"text": "um what is the amount please that the chair will be uh seeking to um", "start": 10001.479, "end": 10009.84}, {"text": "what is the amount that will be informing the amendment councelor", "start": 10009.84, "end": 10016.601}, {"text": "crutch what the amount is that the question yeah no we're referring this to", "start": 10016.76, "end": 10022.16}, {"text": "staff to come up with the business case for that essentially what like no pardon me we're putting an amendment together and I'm going to work with that to figure that out that'll be in the", "start": 10022.16, "end": 10028.479}, {"text": "amendment that's forthcoming I don't have that information here today but that'll be in the amendment", "start": 10028.479, "end": 10034.279}, {"text": "forthcoming but it just so I understand it the amendment is going to be served at the at the GIC budget", "start": 10034.279, "end": 10043.52}, {"text": "committee and it's you're not able to apprise this subcommittee what 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"bench and and wanted to clarify that we are not looking at resourcing in the multiple FTE like was in the alternative", "start": 10087.279, "end": 10095.399}, {"text": "to the recommendations in the report um the maximum that we would need to do", "start": 10095.399, "end": 10101.52}, {"text": "this work if we're strictly looking at the development of a framework would be", "start": 10101.52, "end": 10106.96}, {"text": "1ft however staff are also thinking that it would be less expensive and", "start": 10106.96, "end": 10113.04}, {"text": "potentially faster to procure a consultant to do the framework", "start": 10113.04, "end": 10118.16}, {"text": "development and that could be uh discussed post meeting but uh to give", "start": 10118.16, "end": 10123.84}, {"text": "you a sense of the scope and then the the budget or the G budget would either", "start": 10123.84, "end": 10129.84}, {"text": "be January 23rd or February the 7th in terms of dates thank", "start": 10129.84, "end": 10136.16}, {"text": "you councelor Wilson okay so respectfully my", "start": 10136.16, "end": 10144.359}, {"text": "reservation is based on seeking the", "start": 10144.359, "end": 10150.438}, {"text": "subcommittee's approval to submit a budget request via an", "start": 10151, "end": 10158.16}, {"text": "amendment for an undefined amount for an", "start": 10158.16, "end": 10164.319}, {"text": "undefined purpose which may if I understood JM burden correctly could be", "start": 10164.319, "end": 10170.279}, {"text": "one FTE and um I'm not sure my recollection", "start": 10170.279, "end": 10176.96}, {"text": "of the amount in the report was it 75 I'm not sure what an amount to", "start": 10176.96, "end": 10184.6}, {"text": "secure a consultant is it's challenging", "start": 10184.6, "end": 10190.04}, {"text": "for me from a governance perspective to lend approval to a budget ask that is yet", "start": 10190.04, "end": 10199.04}, {"text": "undefined and in amount and in scope so", 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amendment coming to the budget process would be something we'd want to support here and have that", "start": 10240.319, "end": 10245.88}, {"text": "conversation here briefly because it seemed like that's in line with work we're doing at the subcommittee but if people think no I don't feel comfortable", "start": 10245.88, "end": 10252}, {"text": "with us having the conversation in advance of you bringing an amendment I'll just withdraw it like I don't want to PE on this to be completely honest", "start": 10252, "end": 10258.319}, {"text": "with you thank you thank you Wilson no uh", "start": 10258.319, "end": 10266.72}, {"text": "thank you I if if the the move is to withdraw that's great thank", "start": 10266.72, "end": 10272.52}, {"text": "you great I'll just withdraw this and and now everyone knows what we're going to do anyways so heads up hooray thank", "start": 10272.52, "end": 10278.319}, {"text": "you so are we still going to be voting on", "start": 10278.319, "end": 10284.8}, {"text": "The the chair back and someone else is going to defer I'll look to the floor for a deferral of a oh councelor HW um", "start": 10284.8, "end": 10291.479}, {"text": "thank you so much for that um and deferring to a future meeting I suppose and leaving it time indefinite for that", "start": 10291.479, "end": 10298.96}, {"text": "reason seconder in that the deferral for the deferral Vice", "start": 10298.96, "end": 10306.16}, {"text": "chair Andreas discussion on the deferral of", "start": 10306.16, "end": 10310.521}, {"text": "there are no instructions except for for to a future meeting somebody else want to jump in on the two future meeting", "start": 10312.12, "end": 10317.92}, {"text": "they could um so I think this deferring a gives us a little bit more time to um", "start": 10317.92, "end": 10325.04}, {"text": "hash out in in better detail um there's a a question of the Mandate of this this", "start": 10325.04, "end": 10330.68}, {"text": "committee and although the staff did excellent reporting and social jurisdictional scan", "start": 10330.68, "end": 10336.239}, {"text": "that hasn't really cut to the the what we're doing don't mean to be a pain but we can't talk about the deferral we're", "start": 10336.239, "end": 10342.359}, {"text": "not allowed deferrals can't be debated unfortunately except for the instructions same with referrals okay", "start": 10342.359, "end": 10348.16}, {"text": "sorry about that um on counselor hang's deferral", "start": 10348.16, "end": 10354.8}, {"text": "seconded by counselor seconded by member Andress uh any discussion on the", "start": 10354.8, "end": 10361.239}, {"text": "instructions not seeing any all those in favor of the deferral anyone opposed", "start": 10361.239, "end": 10368.64}, {"text": "that's carried thank you so much everybody we got through that uh thorny bit of procedural stuff and we're going to move on now to voting on the report", "start": 10368.64, "end": 10376.76}, {"text": "as amended we have we 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least share the findings with the procurement subcommittee as per and I don't know if", "start": 10421.52, "end": 10429}, {"text": "that's a by way of a Communications item no wait we don't have that in we'll", "start": 10429, "end": 10435.279}, {"text": "turn to the legislative coordinator at this time for how we might uh share this information with the procurement", "start": 10435.279, "end": 10440.72}, {"text": "subcommittee a formal mechanism to share it would be to refer it to", "start": 10440.72, "end": 10446.08}, {"text": "the procurement subcommittee okay that's fine we've", "start": 10446.08, "end": 10452.84}, {"text": "already seen it here we could refer it there oh okay sure it's still present on our agenda we'll be for all time", "start": 10452.84, "end": 10458.96}, {"text": "so ccor H did you want to move to refer this to the procurement subcommittee I put the report on the floor so I don't", "start": 10458.96, "end": 10464.8}, {"text": "know if I can also refer it sure I'll move it you can okay do you want to", "start": 10464.8, "end": 10469.88}, {"text": "Second it Council tatterson okay so we're going to move and second to refer this to procurement subcommittee the", "start": 10469.88, "end": 10475.12}, {"text": "only thing we can talk about now is whether it gets referred to the procurement subcommittee not on the referral itself someone else would like", "start": 10475.12, "end": 10481.399}, {"text": "it to go somewhere else or attach other instructions they can not seeing any we're going to vote in the referral", "start": 10481.399, "end": 10488.84}, {"text": "councelor ton was a second pardon me okay all those in", "start": 10488.84, "end": 10496.76}, {"text": "favor of referring it okay that carries thank you very much", "start": 10496.76, "end": 10502.96}, {"text": "I didn't see other speakers on this item for 9.1 so we're going to move on receiving", "start": 10502.96, "end": 10509.88}, {"text": "the report here also I believe my apologies has already been referred so nothing else will happen this is fun", "start": 10509.88, "end": 10518.439}, {"text": "isn't it I'll say it 11 motions 11.1 Light Rail Transit early Works Community", "start": 10518.439, "end": 10524.84}, {"text": "employment benefits and this is a motion from councelor H councelor H please introduce your motion and let us know", "start": 10524.84, "end": 10530.399}, {"text": "who your secondary will bek although it's it's member Andress yeah I know it's written right on here uh thank you", "start": 10530.399, "end": 10536.68}, {"text": "chair uh this is uh moved by myself seconded by member Vice chair Andress um", "start": 10536.68, "end": 10541.92}, {"text": "this was a notice of motion from previous meeting um we've had the", "start": 10541.92, "end": 10546.96}, {"text": "benefit of having conversations with um the director of LRT um director Shake", "start": 10546.96, "end": 10554.2}, {"text": "we've been back and forth on this because of timing but ultimately we landed on this particular motion so um", "start": 10554.2, "end": 10561.319}, {"text": "just reading through Light Rail Transit early Works Community employment benefits whereas the construction of the", "start": 10561.319, "end": 10567.319}, {"text": "light rail Transit project and the delivery of regular operations and service will create significant employment opportunities whereas", "start": 10567.319, "end": 10573.76}, {"text": "Community benefits agreements ensure residents have Equitable opportunities and economic inclusion through", "start": 10573.76, "end": 10579.359}, {"text": "commitments to social procurement and social Enterprise opportunities whereas a pillar one employment opportunities of", "start": 10579.359, "end": 10584.92}, {"text": "metr links community benefits and supports program", "start": 10584.92, "end": 10589.561}, {"text": "and I think we're going to have to strike president and chief executive officer because I don't think he's there", "start": 10590.319, "end": 10596.08}, {"text": "anymore the CEO is no longer the CEO of Metro Links okay looks to promote", "start": 10596.08, "end": 10602.88}, {"text": "apprenticeship um training and Workforce Development opportunities for local communities and Equity seeking groups", "start": 10602.88, "end": 10609.319}, {"text": "whereas Metro Links through project delivery on Finch West Eglington cross town and Hazel McAllan and LTS have", "start": 10609.319, "end": 10614.92}, {"text": "gained substantial experience in delivering Community employment benefits and providing Apprenticeship Training and Workforce Development opportunities", "start": 10614.92, "end": 10621.64}, {"text": "for local communities and Equity seeking groups and whereas the city of Hamilton has been responsible for the delivery of", "start": 10621.64, "end": 10626.8}, {"text": "several LRT early Works including Wentworth um Sherman Rosewood Maine and", "start": 10626.8, "end": 10633}, {"text": "they're all paid by Metro Links therefore be it resolved that a staff be directed to work with metr links to", "start": 10633, "end": 10638.399}, {"text": "identify projects an attempt to deliver Community employment benefits and social procurement ideals to the city-led", "start": 10638.399, "end": 10644.68}, {"text": "procurement Pro um for any future LRT earlier ex tendered in 2025 and Beyond B", "start": 10644.68, "end": 10650.64}, {"text": "City staff report back to the relevant committees um the findings of these conversations with metx including any", "start": 10650.64, "end": 10657}, {"text": "challenges barriers or successes and see that the mayor and cud clerk be authorized to direct to execute any", "start": 10657, "end": 10662.76}, {"text": "required agreements and or inary documents with such terms and conditions in a form satisf Factory to the city's", "start": 10662.76, "end": 10668.88}, {"text": "Lister and metr Lings while meeting the city's procurement policy and authority to award the contracts may I speak to", "start": 10668.88, "end": 10674.359}, {"text": "this chair um we've had conversations with the director of LRT and I do see that", "start": 10674.359, "end": 10681.6}, {"text": "acting director farand is also online because I know director Shake is on vacation this week but we we had a", "start": 10681.6, "end": 10689.52}, {"text": "chance to chat about what is the opportunity and the expectation and even though much of the early Works has", "start": 10689.52, "end": 10696.279}, {"text": "already gone forward and has already been um tendered there is still one more outstanding so this motion seeks to have", "start": 10696.279, "end": 10705.6}, {"text": "um to give authority to the LRT office to have further and deeper conversations with Metro Links around Community", "start": 10705.6, "end": 10712.16}, {"text": "benefits and the intention is that we will help with setting the guidelines", "start": 10712.16, "end": 10717.439}, {"text": "and the potential procurement uh framework moving forward for this but because we can start to try and Leverage", "start": 10717.439, "end": 10725.399}, {"text": "The the value of the timing um because there is only one more that is still outstanding so this is again seeking to", "start": 10725.399, "end": 10732.16}, {"text": "give LRG office the authority to actually further those conversations with Metro Links moving", "start": 10732.16, "end": 10738.479}, {"text": "forward thanks just before we proceed with any further discussion should there be", "start": 10738.479, "end": 10743.84}, {"text": "any on a Roman numeral 2 and on B Roman numeral 4 we're missing dates at the end", "start": 10743.84, "end": 10749.68}, {"text": "of those Clauses so oh I'm on the wrong thing ah I'm on the wrong thing entirely", "start": 10749.68, "end": 10754.96}, {"text": "never mind um I've I've apparently been anticip ating moving forward in the agenda and have skipped ahead so I'll be", "start": 10754.96, "end": 10762.16}, {"text": "quiet now and ask if there's anybody else who'd like to speak to councelor points", "start": 10762.16, "end": 10767.641}, {"text": "motion not seeing anybody so we'll go to the vote I'll call the question all those in", "start": 10767.84, "end": 10774.04}, {"text": "favor that's everyone it carries now we're going to move on to notices of motion", "start": 10774.399, "end": 10782.08}, {"text": "and notices of motion and notices of motion we have a policy framework for volunt donations for Community benefits", "start": 10783.319, "end": 10789.64}, {"text": "and I know that councelor tson is going to leave it as a notice and so there's not much to say today unless councelor", "start": 10789.64, "end": 10795.319}, {"text": "ton is just shaking his head say nope nothing to say today it'll be kep as a notice and we'll move to 13 which should", "start": 10795.319, "end": 10802}, {"text": "general information other business and this is going to be regarding the outstanding business list can I please have a move on a second or to approve", "start": 10802, "end": 10808.399}, {"text": "the amendments to the outstanding business list which is removing the one item we discussed today move by councelor hang seconded by member", "start": 10808.399, "end": 10815.84}, {"text": "Nichols ska", "start": 10815.84, "end": 10819.2}, {"text": "sorry just clarifying a member was asking about if whether or not we're voting on the notice as a motion and we're not because they're staying as a", "start": 10824.16, "end": 10829.439}, {"text": "notice and we're now on to general information other business we do have a mover in seconder any discussion on the", "start": 10829.439, "end": 10836.8}, {"text": "out business list and it was uh councelor hang and member Nichol ska just for reference not seeing discussion", "start": 10836.8, "end": 10843}, {"text": "all those in favor of approving the outstanding business list amendments that's everyone and that", "start": 10843, "end": 10849.6}, {"text": "carries and believe it or not we've arrived adjournment may have a move a moover in second or two adjourn today's", "start": 10849.6, "end": 10856.439}, {"text": "meeting seeing Council Quang and seconded by member Nichol ska all those in", "start": 10856.439, "end": 10864.16}, {"text": "favor that is all of us see you again next year", "start": 10864.16, "end": 10870.521}]