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{"text": "is it up to a billion already you PID they won't show us so we we are now saying here in this report we're", "start": 2236.079, "end": 2241.96}, {"text": "continuing to be partners with Metro links that won't tell us where the money goes we", "start": 2241.96, "end": 2250.119}, {"text": "are not doing right by the taxpayers of Toronto by continuing this charade of a", "start": 2250.119, "end": 2258.8}, {"text": "uh dream that we are going to build these so-called smart track stations which you can see from 22 we're now down", "start": 2258.8, "end": 2266.28}, {"text": "to basically three so we're saying tonight if we agree with this uh recommendation saying", "start": 2266.28, "end": 2273.2}, {"text": "Hey listen let's continue to give away taxpayers", "start": 2273.2, "end": 2279.119}, {"text": "money that's what we're saying and then the only beneficiaries of this", "start": 2279.119, "end": 2284.8}, {"text": "scam are the big developers because you know these Transit 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a similar question as you're devising", "start": 2332.28, "end": 2338.92}, {"text": "um uh councelor Cole well you and I share uh many views", "start": 2338.92, "end": 2346.68}, {"text": "uh in common about metr links and share the very same frustration given that councelor", "start": 2346.68, "end": 2352.56}, {"text": "mckelvie has moved a motion to try to engage metr links with respect to", "start": 2352.56, "end": 2358.04}, {"text": "funding and still try to retain the stations that we don't want to lose on", "start": 2358.04, "end": 2363.24}, {"text": "behalf of the communities that would suffer if they are lost would you consider I asked", "start": 2363.24, "end": 2369.56}, {"text": "respectfully I don't doubt your intentions but would you consider just from a strategic perspective to withdraw", "start": 2369.56, "end": 2375.4}, {"text": "your motion given that it wouldn't be helpful to actually try to protect the stations", "start": 2375.4, "end": 2382.48}, {"text": "no matter who ends up pay for it well again having uh lived through", "start": 2382.48, "end": 2390.2}, {"text": "the construction pal of the Egon cross town I feel you uh I've lived there and I'm", "start": 2390.2, "end": 2398.24}, {"text": "basically like the constituents I represent we're fed up with Metro Links", "start": 2398.24, "end": 2403.68}, {"text": "that's not the question that's not the question that I don't want to continue the shade I want to continue councelor", "start": 2403.68, "end": 2409.96}, {"text": "Cole just please answer the question if I if I may just to just to say it slightly slightly perhaps more clearly I", "start": 2409.96, "end": 2417.96}, {"text": "agree with you you and I share the very same you know Common constituency along Eglington I I I'm frustrated with with", "start": 2417.96, "end": 2423.44}, {"text": "metr links too but but making it like the Point has been made but to actually", "start": 2423.44, "end": 2429.52}, {"text": "if we were to approve this motion I'd like I'd like to ask you if you would be willing to reflect over the next few", "start": 2429.52, "end": 2435.88}, {"text": "minutes while other speakers go whether or not this is substantively helpful to", "start": 2435.88, "end": 2440.92}, {"text": "actually get the dollars that we need to keep keep what we value out of what was", "start": 2440.92, "end": 2446.599}, {"text": "called smart track alive for those constituents and just consider making the point but withdrawing the motion and", "start": 2446.599, "end": 2452.839}, {"text": "I just ask you to consider it that's all would you well I I have considered will continue to consider it but just", "start": 2452.839, "end": 2459}, {"text": "remember we've tried to appease metr links age for how many years where has", "start": 2459, "end": 2464.52}, {"text": "it gotten us I'm not asking us to appease I think the time for appeasement is", "start": 2464.52, "end": 2470.28}, {"text": "over appeasement doesn't work with met so he's saying no councelor matlo", "start": 2470.28, "end": 2475.839}, {"text": "okay councelor holiday please question on the motion not wasting time yeah", "start": 2475.839, "end": 2484.16}, {"text": "billion dollar e wait a point of order this counselor came here not me and", "start": 2484.16, "end": 2492.079}, {"text": "basically uh put down my uh intentions here in a very negative way and he", "start": 2492.079, "end": 2497.68}, {"text": "shouldn't be out of his seat doing that councelor Bradford and if you don't like me raising the issue about wasting", "start": 2497.68, "end": 2503.48}, {"text": "billions then were you're more interested about uh turning off lights at Christmas is that more important", "start": 2503.48, "end": 2510.56}, {"text": "Madam speaker point of", "start": 2510.56, "end": 2513.72}, {"text": "order I'm I merely made the the comment that it seemed like councelor Cole was", "start": 2515.96, "end": 2521.4}, {"text": "concerned on a quick release members motion to address local concerns in", "start": 2521.4, "end": 2526.88}, {"text": "writing about ambient lighting made a big deal about it made some disparaging comments earlier and I just pointed out", "start": 2526.88, "end": 2533.76}, {"text": "sort of seems like this is a bit a waste of time his motion's going to fail or it's going to be withdrawn we have a", "start": 2533.76, "end": 2539.28}, {"text": "great motion from councelor mckelvie and so I was just kind of making the comment wow late in the night sort of seems but", "start": 2539.28, "end": 2544.839}, {"text": "I understand Council Bradford but he's also agreed now to withdraw his motion so let's just move on councelor holiday", "start": 2544.839, "end": 2552.04}, {"text": "3 minutes clarification of the motion come on we got to want to get through this", "start": 2552.04, "end": 2558.64}, {"text": "agenda huh no he I he didn't agree councelor", "start": 2559.92, "end": 2565.599}, {"text": "holiday 27 I just want to ask my my question speaker does councelor Cole", "start": 2565.599, "end": 2572.119}, {"text": "intend to cancel the stations", "start": 2572.119, "end": 2577.16}, {"text": "I'm saying we should cease and assist any further expenditure of public", "start": 2579, "end": 2585.4}, {"text": "taxpayers money in supporting metr Link's failed effort to build this smart", "start": 2585.4, "end": 2591.64}, {"text": "track station cease and assist wasting taxpayers money any further with Metro", "start": 2591.64, "end": 2597.48}, {"text": "Link so does that not imply that the stations then get cancelled and they're", "start": 2597.48, "end": 2603.319}, {"text": "gone but whatever it is we have to end this this uh basically uh fraudulent", "start": 2603.319, "end": 2611.839}, {"text": "attempt by metal links to uh pretend they're building Transit when they're not and they're incapable of doing it so", "start": 2611.839, "end": 2618.68}, {"text": "why could we should keep funding them saying they're 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2672.44}, {"text": "would be I mean it's not that I can answer that question I guess right now but um you did vote are you aware you", "start": 2672.44, "end": 2678.119}, {"text": "voted no on EX 3.9 so that is an option that's available to you again the last time this item came before us you voted", "start": 2678.119, "end": 2684.319}, {"text": "no and you could vote no on the item again today I could vote no but I'm trying to basically Sound the Alarm Bell", "start": 2684.319, "end": 2691.319}, {"text": "here stop going down this dead end with Metro Links wasting hundreds of millions", "start": 2691.319, "end": 2698.24}, {"text": "of Toronto taxpayers dollars on this you all agree it's a failed scheme that this", "start": 2698.24, "end": 2703.839}, {"text": "uh they're all talking here tonight about how bad the smart track system is and then we're saying oh let's", "start": 2703.839, "end": 2710.76}, {"text": "save five three but I I think every counselor here would you agree you've", "start": 2710.76, "end": 2717.48}, {"text": "heard from councelor Bravo councelor nanada councelor Malik and counselor mantis about the importance of these", "start": 2717.48, "end": 2723.92}, {"text": "projects in their communities the projects conceptually may be", "start": 2723.92, "end": 2730.119}, {"text": "important trouble is the people that are supposed to deliver the project are", "start": 2730.119, "end": 2735.319}, {"text": "incompetent incapable and not reliable deliverers of projects they've proven", "start": 2735.319, "end": 2740.96}, {"text": "that so I don't disagree with you but I think my motion is asking for the all the books to be open and to make that", "start": 2740.96, "end": 2746.88}, {"text": "transparent and try to put more accountability on it so can we metr links well they don't believe in", "start": 2746.88, "end": 2753.24}, {"text": "accountability and transparency that's been proven so you're asking them to transparent so I I'm asking them to stop", "start": 2753.24, "end": 2759.559}, {"text": "fooling and farting around you are they're not going to do", "start": 2759.559, "end": 2765.48}, {"text": "that thank you thank you uh uh Deputy Mayor Cole", "start": 2775.359, "end": 2781.24}, {"text": "um I know can you confirm and I know that it's not your intention to leave of", "start": 2781.24, "end": 2787.119}, {"text": "the residents that are uh moving into my ward three of the stations are out of", "start": 2787.119, "end": 2793.079}, {"text": "the five are in Davenport and nobody knows as much I I share your your border on", "start": 2793.079, "end": 2798.44}, {"text": "Eglington our residents and the future residents need these stations because we", "start": 2798.44, "end": 2804.559}, {"text": "rezoned huge Heights many numbers of of units I I know that you don't want to", "start": 2804.559, "end": 2811.52}, {"text": "leave them out in the cold without Transit is that correct who would want mik Cole doesn't want to leave anybody", "start": 2811.52, "end": 2817}, {"text": "in the cold listen I want to make sure that people on the Egon 32 bus get on", "start": 2817, "end": 2823.079}, {"text": "this promised Subway that's been promised for 13 years that's what I", "start": 2823.079, "end": 2828.4}, {"text": "think I'm fighting for and Metro linkx doesn't give a damn about people on the Egon 32 bus or the St Clair 512 all they", "start": 2828.4, "end": 2837.44}, {"text": "care about is paying off their consultant friends okay but the thing is we're off topic here I'm trying to", "start": 2837.44, "end": 2843.2}, {"text": "convince no I understand but we're talking about Eglington we're here to talk about smart that was the answer Co please we're on", "start": 2843.2, "end": 2849.64}, {"text": "this smart to do withon we we know we have to grow as a city we've made zoning", "start": 2849.64, "end": 2855.96}, {"text": "changes would you agree that you've made a fantastic point about uh showing us", "start": 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transit if it's not metr links and hey they're not very good at it but I'm just curious who you", "start": 3033.04, "end": 3038.559}, {"text": "think might be better positioned well again I think we're getting into a very uh complex area I don't want to", "start": 3038.559, "end": 3046.359}, {"text": "diminish the complexity of it but giving you an answer right now about that but all I can tell you Metro Links has got a", "start": 3046.359, "end": 3053.559}, {"text": "proven track record of incompetence secrecy lack of", "start": 3053.559, "end": 3058.72}, {"text": "transparency okay and uh basically abuse of taxpayers dollars that you going to", "start": 3058.72, "end": 3063.88}, {"text": "argue that that isn't their track record no no I agree so the question when I read your motion is then who who would", "start": 3063.88, "end": 3070.64}, {"text": "you suggest is building the transit in Toronto and is there an alternative motion that you might move that might be", "start": 3070.64, "end": 3076.44}, {"text": "more productive to help get transit built here in city I don't think that's appropriate at this time because it's a", "start": 3076.44, "end": 3082.319}, {"text": "complex it's a complex uh okay well given the complexity then would you would you consider withdrawing this", "start": 3082.319, "end": 3087.88}, {"text": "motion which I think the intention uh is there but I'm not sure about the execution or the ability to address the", "start": 3087.88, "end": 3093.76}, {"text": "complexity as you've articulated and maybe just throwing your support behind Deputy Mayor Mel okay well again as I", "start": 3093.76, "end": 3100.2}, {"text": "said okay thank you no councelor peruta please just", "start": 3100.2, "end": 3107.44}, {"text": "clarification of the", "start": 3107.44, "end": 3110.599}, {"text": "mo two um in the 22 votes that we've had", "start": 3113.4, "end": 3118.92}, {"text": "here on smart track and each one of those has been kind of like bad bad bad", "start": 3118.92, "end": 3124.839}, {"text": "bad would you agree that your motion finally says okay you know what let's stop that right let's just stop that and", "start": 3124.839, "end": 3131.119}, {"text": "you know I think by the last count we spent around a little over $500 million on this program in the hopes that we", "start": 3131.119, "end": 3137.559}, {"text": "realize something and yours kind of like puts it to bed and says okay you know what this shouldn't be ours isn't ours", "start": 3137.559, "end": 3144.76}, {"text": "belongs to somebody else let them deal with it let's stop spending City money on this program yeah and and I think if", "start": 3144.76, "end": 3151.92}, {"text": "you said it was 22 times that people have basically voted to continue smart track and that's what I find really odd", "start": 3151.92, "end": 3159.88}, {"text": "if everybody is so down on smart track they voted 22 times to continue it yeah", "start": 3159.88, "end": 3165.319}, {"text": "so I'm trying to say enough is enough yeah and every and every with every vote we lost the station right boom you down", "start": 3165.319, "end": 3171.44}, {"text": "now like so would you agree that your motion sort of preempts that and says you know what now we don't have to have", "start": 3171.44, "end": 3177.52}, {"text": "another three meetings to eliminate the final three stations absolutely and and that your motion finally says look put", "start": 3177.52, "end": 3184.2}, {"text": "stupid smack in the middle of the road and says run into it and and then if you can't see it and you're going to smash", "start": 3184.2, "end": 3190.44}, {"text": "into it here I'm putting it in front of you finally yeah we we've got to basically say you know the emperor has", "start": 3190.44, "end": 3197.119}, {"text": "no clothes you know why do we keep going down this road with met I can't I can't", "start": 3197.119, "end": 3202.52}, {"text": "get you to agree that you're putting stupid right in the middle of the road and we're running the train into it and", "start": 3202.52, "end": 3207.68}, {"text": "that St cuz you can't fix stupid you're right here you go", "start": 3207.68, "end": 3212.798}, {"text": "thanks can you coun no I'm I just want to speak you", "start": 3216.28, "end": 3223.64}, {"text": "just want to speak okay yeah uh questioning to the", "start": 3223.64, "end": 3229.76}, {"text": "Mover first of all do not vote for I know but I don't", "start": 3229.76, "end": 3234.839}, {"text": "want to be the last one because I don't don't have the chair if you don't mind I'm only going to speak for two minutes", "start": 3234.839, "end": 3240.76}, {"text": "okay don't don't support councelor Cole's motion first of all we've been working on this for years and um as it", "start": 3240.76, "end": 3249.28}, {"text": "was mentioned councelor bravoo and I have development applications in where the where the stations are we've been", "start": 3249.28, "end": 3256.599}, {"text": "working very hard on it and you know um and and as a matter of fact there's some", "start": 3256.599, "end": 3262.28}, {"text": "affordable housing going in my w where the stations are this is such a St motion really we have spent time money", "start": 3262.28, "end": 3269.96}, {"text": "on these stations and suddenly we're going to yes you may have your opinion on metal links but we want these", "start": 3269.96, "end": 3276.16}, {"text": "stations we need this Transit and as councelor Bradford mentioned if we don't", "start": 3276.16, "end": 3281.28}, {"text": "build Transit who's going to build it nobody else can build it you may be frustrated councelor Cole with Metro", "start": 3281.28, "end": 3287.72}, {"text": "Links but you were at the Province when metr links uh sign the agreement on Eglington it has taken a long time for", "start": 3287.72, "end": 3295.04}, {"text": "eging but you were there when you approv Metro Links building the Eglington line I don't want to talk about Eglington", "start": 3295.04, "end": 3300.92}, {"text": "because I'm frustrated with Eglington as well as you know in 94 when they when", "start": 3300.92, "end": 3306.319}, {"text": "they cancelled my Subway and spent millions of dollars on filling a hole at", "start": 3306.319, "end": 3311.52}, {"text": "Eglington and alen I'm frustrated but the line is being built you may be frustrated with them", "start": 3311.52, "end": 3318.76}, {"text": "but we cannot just cancel these stations", "start": 3318.76, "end": 3324.559}, {"text": "uh speaker speaking your question is do you agree no I'm not asking him a question", "start": 3327, "end": 3334.28}, {"text": "I'm speaking okay you're at the speaker okay I'm at the speakers he keeps talking about Metro Link Eglington but", "start": 3334.28, "end": 3341.599}, {"text": "he was there at the Province when Metro Links approved the Eglington line like I don't understand uh but yes", "start": 3341.599, "end": 3350.839}, {"text": "they made it there it's taken a long time for the Eglington line to open we're off fr at ated but on the other", "start": 3350.839, "end": 3357.839}, {"text": "hand to cancel the stations where Council Bravo and I have development", "start": 3357.839, "end": 3362.96}, {"text": "applications in it is so the dumbest thing to do I mean you the province", "start": 3362.96, "end": 3368.64}, {"text": "would just say forget it we're not giving you any money we're going to download Transit and that's it so you", "start": 3368.64, "end": 3375.64}, {"text": "know like let's not waste our time on these frivolous and stupid motions thank you okay thank you uh councelor past", "start": 3375.64, "end": 3384.24}, {"text": "your five top that one thank you uh Madame mayor yes that", "start": 3384.24, "end": 3391.16}, {"text": "is a very tough one to talk top but you know I should point out that this debate", "start": 3391.16, "end": 3397.119}, {"text": "is the reason if you look closely at it why this city is 30 years behind in", "start": 3397.119, "end": 3402.559}, {"text": "building Transit this is why we were unable to extend the finch line the", "start": 3402.559, "end": 3408.799}, {"text": "young line that opened 50 years ago we weren't even able to extend it one stop", "start": 3408.799, "end": 3415.039}, {"text": "to the municipal border the young Finch station and at the same time we were unable to uh extend the", "start": 3415.039, "end": 3423.559}, {"text": "Spina West Subway which opened in 1996 and it was 21 years later before we", "start": 3423.559, "end": 3429.799}, {"text": "built it up to vaugh debates like this take away our credibility councilor perk's motion if", "start": 3429.799, "end": 3437.079}, {"text": "the province is watching this it's just an embarrassment they'll say to themselves this is why we have to take", "start": 3437.079, "end": 3442.319}, {"text": "over Transit you know it it it perks who voted for uh for um smart track", "start": 3442.319, "end": 3450.119}, {"text": "supporting the provincial funding formula in March of 2023 ex 3.9 he", "start": 3450.119, "end": 3456.039}, {"text": "supported it and boy he's changed his mind look the other thing is we cannot", "start": 3456.039, "end": 3461.96}, {"text": "continue this non-stop sniping at other levels of government for decades for", "start": 3461.96, "end": 3467.52}, {"text": "decades we always said to the federal and provincial government municipalities alone cannot build Transit we need", "start": 3467.52, "end": 3474.24}, {"text": "provincial and federal part ERS to build Transit and this NeverEnding sniping", "start": 3474.24, "end": 3480}, {"text": "forgets the history that we need the province and that we need the federal government to come to the table to build", "start": 3480, "end": 3486.599}, {"text": "build Urban Transit and you know I mean it was made a point was made a couple of times if you're not going to get Metro", "start": 3486.599, "end": 3493.2}, {"text": "links to do it who are you going to get to do it I mean the history here is we can't do it because we were obsessed", "start": 3493.2, "end": 3499.24}, {"text": "with state of good repair and a and a and a a pressure not to expand our system so these these all these debates", "start": 3499.24, "end": 3507.039}, {"text": "of who owns it who operates who pays is it too expensive is it too cheap can we get it done it's a it's a boondoggle", "start": 3507.039, "end": 3514}, {"text": "it's it's a it's a sinkhole these are the endless debates that ensure you don't build", "start": 3514, "end": 3519.839}, {"text": "Transit Metro Links is not perfect and Metro Links makes lots of mistakes and I", "start": 3519.839, "end": 3526.28}, {"text": "got to tell you we have the finch West LRT up in my area it goes into Council Peru's area and it's not open either and", "start": 3526.28, "end": 3533.76}, {"text": "I and and and Council centi is well it is very frustrating uh that that it's", "start": 3533.76, "end": 3539.2}, {"text": "not open I don't even understand why it's not open it looks like it's fully operational and we can't get any clear", "start": 3539.2, "end": 3544.799}, {"text": "clear answers to that you know I just want to talk about the costs Now transit", "start": 3544.799, "end": 3550.16}, {"text": "is brutally expensive but the longer you procrastinate the longer you delay the", "start": 3550.16, "end": 3555.88}, {"text": "longer you waffle about Transit decisions the more expensive it becomes and the more difficult it becomes to", "start": 3555.88, "end": 3562.599}, {"text": "build Transit is a social good just like any other social policy you're never", "start": 3562.599, "end": 3568.119}, {"text": "going to make a profit from it there are tens of thousands of people every morning waiting out in the freezing cold", "start": 3568.119, "end": 3574.799}, {"text": "hoping a bus will come by and they're not interested in all the debate that goes on at this Council the longer this", "start": 3574.799, "end": 3582.599}, {"text": "debate goes on the longer we delay in Waffle the more expensive it becomes and", "start": 3582.599, "end": 3587.96}, {"text": "the more torontonians will be standing there freezing waiting for their bus it's time to support a better deal from", "start": 3587.96, "end": 3594.96}, {"text": "The Province but to proceed with the smart track plan thank", "start": 3594.96, "end": 3600.599}, {"text": "you thank you councilor Pastor councel Chang to speak", "start": 3602.319, "end": 3612}, {"text": "um thank you madam speaker I will keep this very short I have memories of CER", "start": 3612, "end": 3620.76}, {"text": "station we have dreams we have approved", "start": 3623.079, "end": 3628.599}, {"text": "applications we see the density is here already and more is coming and yet it", "start": 3628.599, "end": 3635.96}, {"text": "got defunded and there is no station coming and I agree with councelor matlo", "start": 3635.96, "end": 3642.24}, {"text": "we should not politicize critical infrastructure like Transit it is ridiculous we look around", "start": 3642.24, "end": 3650.599}, {"text": "the world and we are envious of countries like Japan Korea", "start": 3650.599, "end": 3657}, {"text": "London you name the international City and we are jealous so we should", "start": 3657, "end": 3663.839}, {"text": "definitely keep asking the provincial government for this money but I hope we encourage all of our residents when it", "start": 3663.839, "end": 3671.16}, {"text": "comes to the next federal and provincial elections please ensure every candidate", "start": 3671.16, "end": 3677.92}, {"text": "that comes to your door is willing to fight for Effective and efficient", "start": 3677.92, "end": 3684.559}, {"text": "Transit Construction and planning that is not based on garnering votes or", "start": 3684.559, "end": 3690.64}, {"text": "helping developers uh because I did find out there are two stations in the Young", "start": 3690.64, "end": 3697.72}, {"text": "Street North uh extension young North Subway extension that are 400 m apart", "start": 3697.72, "end": 3703.76}, {"text": "400 m apart meanwhile bench and Steels is 2 kilomet", "start": 3703.76, "end": 3710.72}, {"text": "apart so I stand with my fellow counselors to ask the Province to fund", "start": 3710.72, "end": 3718.279}, {"text": "more transit in our city build it efficiently and effectively and if we don't know how to do that let's hire", "start": 3718.279, "end": 3726.039}, {"text": "people or send people who have traveled around the world and see that vision of", "start": 3726.039, "end": 3732.799}, {"text": "effective Transit because if we only limit our vision to what is before us we will never dream bigger so let's dream", "start": 3732.799, "end": 3739.72}, {"text": "big and let's make sure we have higher levels of government who fund and support effective and efficient Transit", "start": 3739.72, "end": 3746.92}, {"text": "delivery thank you thank you okay let's put the Motions on the screen let's", "start": 3746.92, "end": 3753.24}, {"text": "vote okay councelor perutz and councelor Moyes please please take your seat D it okay", "start": 3753.24, "end": 3761.64}, {"text": "our first our first motion is motion number five by councelor Cole recorded", "start": 3761.64, "end": 3768.2}, {"text": "vote councelor Cole you're going to withdraw the motion yes you said it was stupid so I'm withdrawing it yeah it is", "start": 3772.44, "end": 3778.68}, {"text": "stupid you you the speaker said it was stupid I said it was stupid yeah you said it was stupid so I'm withdrawing it", "start": 3778.68, "end": 3786.16}, {"text": "okay Council Cole is moving to withdraws motion on favor record to V all right", "start": 3786.16, "end": 3795.319}, {"text": "let's have a recorded vote on withdrawing the motion vo against okay Council pra please recorded vote on mik", "start": 3795.319, "end": 3804.24}, {"text": "councel Cole's withdrawing the motion just uh members stand by while we", "start": 3804.24, "end": 3810.16}, {"text": "create the", "start": 3810.16, "end": 3812.64}, {"text": "motion okay it's on the screen", "start": 3830.559, "end": 3836.48}, {"text": "this this is to support councelor Cole to withdraw his", "start": 3837.4, "end": 3842.52}, {"text": "motion yeah just so everybody knows what we're voting", "start": 3842.52, "end": 3848.96}, {"text": "on councelor Chang please", "start": 3849.52, "end": 3854.319}, {"text": "counc prut your vote", "start": 3869.039, "end": 3872.24}, {"text": "please councelor Sachs are you online and present voting in the meeting we've", "start": 3886.559, "end": 3892}, {"text": "received a vote but I don't see you on camera", "start": 3892, "end": 3896.48}, {"text": "okay now you go camera councelor saxs how how are you", "start": 3905.96, "end": 3911.359}, {"text": "voting um I affirmative the motion uh to withdraw", "start": 3911.359, "end": 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don't leave", "start": 4020.16, "end": 4026.92}, {"text": "councelor Fletcher do you want to the members motion that you introduce for M M2 2445 did you want to move that yes I", "start": 4026.92, "end": 4034.559}, {"text": "would thank you very much okay are you leaving yeah just no", "start": 4034.559, "end": 4040.279}, {"text": "I'm meeting yeah just one sec all in favor carried okay councel matlo thank", "start": 4040.279, "end": 4046}, {"text": "you um I have a I have a request of you and the Indulgence of council I made an", "start": 4046, "end": 4051.4}, {"text": "error in a motion earlier in the agenda that I'd like to uh correct um cc2 24.1", "start": 4051.4, "end": 4059.839}, {"text": "the amman's report um I voted in favor of receiving it I'd like to change that", "start": 4059.839, "end": 4067.2}, {"text": "and I'd appreciate the Indulgence either either to do that or uh to make another", "start": 4067.2, "end": 4072.68}, {"text": "effort to reopen no sorry no", "start": 4072.68, "end": 4077.44}, {"text": "Thompson is not here now yeah so sorry we don't have all members of council", "start": 4078.839, "end": 4086.76}, {"text": "sorry councelor matlo sorry", "start": 4086.76, "end": 4092.079}, {"text": "notion is possible to reopen no you can't because we don't have all members", "start": 4092.079, "end": 4097.238}, {"text": "of council and councelor Thompson was here earlier I'm hearing lots of people giving advice counc Thompson moved to", "start": 4097.239, "end": 4102.88}, {"text": "reopen and it didn't pass so given that councelor Thompson is not in the room I can't uh no we've already dealt with it", "start": 4102.88, "end": 4111.52}, {"text": "okay thank you sorry okay", "start": 4111.52, "end": 4117.238}, {"text": "um do we have any quick releases before we go to the next", "start": 4117.44, "end": 4122.758}, {"text": "item councelor Morley councelor", "start": 4122.759, "end": 4129.679}, {"text": "Morley thank you Madame speaker um I'd like to 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4223.48}, {"text": "18.8 you're just going to move move receipt correct okay so on ey1 18.8", "start": 4223.48, "end": 4229.6}, {"text": "councelor Morley's moving receipt of the item on favor carried okay thank you", "start": 4229.6, "end": 4234.84}, {"text": "thank you thank you", "start": 4234.84, "end": 4239.08}, {"text": "so our next item is CC 24.2 policy framework City response to", "start": 4262.719, "end": 4269.6}, {"text": "demonstrations and um do we have questions on that", "start": 4269.6, "end": 4275.76}, {"text": "can councelor holiday point of order I do and it's serious so the last item", "start": 4275.76, "end": 4281.04}, {"text": "that we dealt with uh sorry just the last item that we debated uh before the quick releases was almost", "start": 4281.04, "end": 4288.6}, {"text": "$900 million and this is It's a serious matter", "start": 4288.6, "end": 4294.6}, {"text": "there's giggling and stuff going on in the council chambers I don't know if he would reconsider a new motion that we adjourn", "start": 4294.6, "end": 4301.8}, {"text": "if this place doesn't become orderly again there's still some really serious items on this agenda and I'm worried", "start": 4301.8, "end": 4308.719}, {"text": "about making it through it uh and I'm also worried about people that are watching this debate um so speak speaker", "start": 4308.719, "end": 4315.6}, {"text": "I I know you're doing your best to keep order in the chamber but if we can't buckle down and get this work done then", "start": 4315.6, "end": 4322}, {"text": "we should not be doing it", "start": 4322, "end": 4324.92}, {"text": "tonight okay", "start": 4328.679, "end": 4332.44}, {"text": "um all right do we have any any questions on cc24 point two and let's just try to", "start": 4334.28, "end": 4341.199}, {"text": "keep to the agenda and speak to the agenda and you know like not get up and", "start": 4341.199, "end": 4347.76}, {"text": "move Motion Set anyway okay are there any questions", "start": 4347.76, "end": 4353.88}, {"text": "councelor Bravo thank you speaker um I would like", "start": 4353.88, "end": 4359.4}, {"text": "to ask whether there has been um a council decision to to bring in a a", "start": 4359.4, "end": 4367.28}, {"text": "bylaw if if have we have we previously asked for a bylaw that addresses", "start": 4367.28, "end": 4374}, {"text": "demonstrations so through the speaker uh Council has", "start": 4374, "end": 4380.08}, {"text": "not asked for the bylaw to be enacted Council has however provided direction to staff to find a way to protect the", "start": 4380.08, "end": 4387.239}, {"text": "right for people to access certain places and so therefore that's why the recommendation is before you today thank", "start": 4387.239, "end": 4393}, {"text": "you to the city solicitor is uh however messy", "start": 4393, "end": 4400.239}, {"text": "complicated and and sometimes even problematic is the uh freedom of", "start": 4400.239, "end": 4405.92}, {"text": "assembly and expression protected in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms yes yes they are both yes as and and are there", "start": 4405.92, "end": 4416.158}, {"text": "uh in terms of other uh places or other municipalities in Canada who have may", "start": 4416.32, "end": 4423.159}, {"text": "have adopted um limits which uh prescribe", "start": 4423.159, "end": 4430.719}, {"text": "where that exercising that right is not allowed have the Supreme has there been", "start": 4430.719, "end": 4436.88}, {"text": "have there have we ever uh seen a robust um examination from a constitutional", "start": 4436.88, "end": 4444.04}, {"text": "perspective on the risks associated with such a move well I can I can speak to two", "start": 4444.04, "end": 4450.48}, {"text": "examples there is a bylaw in vaugh I'm not aware of any enforcement activity", "start": 4450.48, "end": 4455.76}, {"text": "and I'm not aware of any cases uh they would generally flow from enforcement", "start": 4455.76, "end": 4461.36}, {"text": "there is a bylaw in Calgary it's very specific to address a specific problem that the City of Calgary was having with", "start": 4461.36, "end": 4467.48}, {"text": "respect to access to their to programs on their property um there is some litigation involving involving that", "start": 4467.48, "end": 4474.44}, {"text": "right now yes and do you foresee in the process of examining how to create a", "start": 4474.44, "end": 4480.84}, {"text": "bylaw that it would be a challenge to Define what activities by what groups", "start": 4480.84, "end": 4488.719}, {"text": "need to be protected um in in terms of assessing whether", "start": 4488.719, "end": 4496.4}, {"text": "the impeding access by the presence of people exercising their right to free", "start": 4497.44, "end": 4504.88}, {"text": "speech and assembly um is be is sort of who who gets for", "start": 4504.88, "end": 4511.08}, {"text": "whom and and and for what activities so if Council chooses to direct us to come back 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and uh the analysis that you've done um", "start": 4601.92, "end": 4609.88}, {"text": "based on the answers you've given on this to this Council before is it accurate that indicates that it's very", "start": 4609.88, "end": 4616.8}, {"text": "difficult to reconcile how we can both", "start": 4616.8, "end": 4623.48}, {"text": "limit the uh freedom of expression and assembly and be within what the charter", "start": 4623.48, "end": 4631.32}, {"text": "uh enshrines as a right well the charter does provide a great deal of protection", "start": 4631.32, "end": 4637.44}, {"text": "for those rights and um any any limit does have to be you know the language is", "start": 4637.44, "end": 4642.8}, {"text": "demonstrably Justified in a free and Democratic society that is a very high test that is true yeah because this is", "start": 4642.8, "end": 4648.08}, {"text": "really about a fundamental exercise in a democracy thank Youk", "start": 4648.08, "end": 4655.52}, {"text": "you councelor Bradford questions thanks Madam speaker uh", "start": 4658.199, "end": 4663.719}, {"text": "through you would Toronto be the first city in Ontario to enact a municipal bylaw to address the demonstrations", "start": 4663.719, "end": 4670.48}, {"text": "around places of worship since October 7th", "start": 4670.48, "end": 4675.6}, {"text": "uh so I just mentioned that vaugh has enacted a bylaw okay um have any other", "start": 4675.76, "end": 4681.199}, {"text": "municipalities adopted bubble Zone legislation to protect different types of vulnerable institutions places of", "start": 4681.199, "end": 4688.08}, {"text": "worship schools hospitals anything like that I also mentioned Calgary's B which was tailored to address a specific", "start": 4688.08, "end": 4694.84}, {"text": "problem they were having at uh accessing programs in their own facilities more broadly though bubble Zone legislation", "start": 4694.84, "end": 4700.96}, {"text": "things like hospitals even does that exist yes not not 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have no doubt that they receive some legal advice okay but I I I I can't", "start": 4746.92, "end": 4755.48}, {"text": "speak to that on any I'm not asking you to speak to what their considerations are just they be considering that", "start": 4755.48, "end": 4761.88}, {"text": "specifically I don't know are there such things says reasonable limits clause in the charter and could you explain that's", "start": 4761.88, "end": 4768.08}, {"text": "what I was just describing in um in response to questions from your colleague yes could you explain that for", "start": 4768.08, "end": 4773.84}, {"text": "me please sure yeah um so when there's a uh Court Challenge and", "start": 4773.84, "end": 4781.92}, {"text": "a court examines whether a limit on a freedom a fundamental Freedom protected in the charter is Justified what it", "start": 4781.92, "end": 4789.76}, {"text": "looks at is the languag is is it um the limit must be demonstrably jus F in a", "start": 4789.76, "end": 4795.04}, {"text": "free and Democratic so they first look at whether there's a pressing and substantial concern how big is the", "start": 4795.04, "end": 4800.159}, {"text": "problem is it big enough essentially is the is the first question the second part is a proportionality test so they", "start": 4800.159, "end": 4807.04}, {"text": "look at uh first whether the solution uh in the bylaw actually does", "start": 4807.04, "end": 4812.639}, {"text": "address the pressing and substantial concern so the solution has to match the problem then it can't be overreach it", "start": 4812.639, "end": 4819.4}, {"text": "must be a minimal impairment so you only do as much as you need to do to address what it has been identified by the court", "start": 4819.4, "end": 4825.88}, {"text": "as a big enough problem so I'm I'm teeing up on the piece there", "start": 4825.88, "end": 4831.12}, {"text": "where you're talking about proportionality of the response yes and and what was the words that used it", "start": 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you for that uh I", "start": 4907.719, "end": 4914.92}, {"text": "maybe it's to the city manager maybe it's to someone who might have a sense of what the incidents of hate crime and", "start": 4914.92, "end": 4920.92}, {"text": "hate incidents have been we know that we've had orders of magnitude uh 300%", "start": 4920.92, "end": 4925.96}, {"text": "increase here in the city of Toronto since October 7th so given that this seems to be about proportionality uh and", "start": 4925.96, "end": 4932.8}, {"text": "about the significance and substantiveness you can correct me on the language of the exact Charter but basically is this happening is it", "start": 4932.8, "end": 4939.84}, {"text": "Justified to take these sorts of steps given what's happening so the question is in those other mun IP alties that", "start": 4939.84, "end": 4945.04}, {"text": "have already moved in front of Toronto to take steps do we know if they had the same level of urgency level of issues", "start": 4945.04, "end": 4951.6}, {"text": "levels of frequency of hate crimes and hate incidents since October 7th that was your last question through the", "start": 4951.6, "end": 4958.12}, {"text": "speaker so we don't have information for the other municipalities however we do have data for Toronto that would be", "start": 4958.12, "end": 4964.92}, {"text": "included in our report back as well but we have for example that we know that in", "start": 4964.92, "end": 4970.32}, {"text": "2023 there was 368 hate crimes that were uh reported on Toronto police services", "start": 4970.32, "end": 4975.96}, {"text": "who are here today and can speak to it a bit further we would be building on collecting that information if Council directs us to come back with a", "start": 4975.96, "end": 4983.48}, {"text": "bylaw thank you councelor paston at", "start": 4983.48, "end": 4991.199}, {"text": "questions thank you madam speaker through you to staff uh do Charter rights mean that you can break the laws", "start": 4991.199, "end": 4996.44}, {"text": "of the", "start": 4996.44, "end": 4998.719}, {"text": "land that's a really tricky question to answer without specific facts and", "start": 5002.04, "end": 5007.48}, {"text": "context but I'm going to say in many cases no right now police have put out", "start": 5007.48, "end": 5012.56}, {"text": "several statements uh saying that uh constitutional rights uh and freedom of", "start": 5012.56, "end": 5017.84}, {"text": "speech in assembly are are guaranteed but quote they have limits is that", "start": 5017.84, "end": 5025.04}, {"text": "true absolutely and um the the analysis that I've just been describing applies", "start": 5025.04, "end": 5031.84}, {"text": "to those limits and and there are examples examples there are criminal code offenses that address things like", "start": 5031.84, "end": 5038.12}, {"text": "hate speech for example now it's been mentioned before there's now I I mean I", "start": 5038.12, "end": 5043.199}, {"text": "think four or five municipalities uh that have these so-called bubble zones um and as well as", "start": 5043.199, "end": 5050.36}, {"text": "hospitals for Frontline healthcare workers and abortion clinics now there seems to be nothing that takes", "start": 5050.36, "end": 5057.88}, {"text": "away the ability to protest or pick it it creates a buffer zone between the rest the the entrance way and the", "start": 5057.88, "end": 5064.88}, {"text": "protest I've seen nothing uh in these in these bylaws or at these cities or", "start": 5064.88, "end": 5070.239}, {"text": "institutions that affect freedom of speech or the right to protest so the bubble", "start": 5070.239, "end": 5076.04}, {"text": "zones don't prevent all protest and expression they", "start": 5076.04, "end": 5083.119}, {"text": "create a limit on it it is a limit because it uh prevents it within a", "start": 5083.119, "end": 5089.6}, {"text": "particular geographic area that would be the limit right so nobody's nobody's rights are 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everybody how about that now um", "start": 5131.04, "end": 5138.679}, {"text": "Municipal licensing um I'm going to ask a tough question here uh we've seen over the last 14 months probably hundreds of", "start": 5138.679, "end": 5146.08}, {"text": "violations of our Municipal bylaws um there's been I've seen almost", "start": 5146.08, "end": 5151.44}, {"text": "no enforcement of our bylaws um at what point are we going to start", "start": 5151.44, "end": 5157.48}, {"text": "enforcing our bylaws and bringing bringing some Law and Order to the city thank you for the question I", "start": 5157.48, "end": 5164.119}, {"text": "completely disagree with you and that num hundreds of bylaws have been um", "start": 5164.119, "end": 5170.119}, {"text": "violated that is false I see so uh whenever I've asked", "start": 5170.119, "end": 5176.719}, {"text": "you um uh uh you know why is the municipal licensing on this part you've say you've turned that over to police", "start": 5176.719, "end": 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"end": 5238.56}, {"text": "to do what we can with the limited authorities that we have the other bylaws you are quoting are just", "start": 5238.56, "end": 5247.08}, {"text": "fictitious I see well they're on the books but let's let's move on from there um and they have been out at BS Shepard", "start": 5247.08, "end": 5254.199}, {"text": "I will grant that and I've spoken to them and they're doing uh certainly doing the best they can now in my", "start": 5254.199, "end": 5259.8}, {"text": "conversations with Police Services they said they would provide for the safety of Municipal licenses officers are you", "start": 5259.8, "end": 5265.679}, {"text": "aware of that uh yes we work very closely with the police and we ask for them to join", "start": 5265.679, "end": 5272.32}, {"text": "us so that when we do attend that our officers are safe okay so um we've been", "start": 5272.32, "end": 5278.56}, {"text": "at this is the third time this has come to the council floor uh Mr city 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ask us to look", "start": 5317.719, "end": 5323.119}, {"text": "at it they asked the police to look at it which not sure how they would enact something along that there were", "start": 5323.119, "end": 5329.36}, {"text": "discussions of having other orders of government did but that didn't go through the most recent and most", "start": 5329.36, "end": 5334.679}, {"text": "specific one came out of the action plan which said create an action plan that would address the ability of people to", "start": 5334.679, "end": 5341.44}, {"text": "enter into particularly places of worship and those types of facilities free from harassment and whatever else", "start": 5341.44, "end": 5347.28}, {"text": "the only way we can do that would be to contemplate a bylaw so that's why tonight and in today in this in this uh", "start": 5347.28, "end": 5355.159}, {"text": "motion we're saying it is time to decide so again I I don't agree that we have", "start": 5355.159, "end": 5360.56}, {"text": "repeatedly not brought it back we've not really been asked to do it we've been asked around the around the houses quite", "start": 5360.56, "end": 5366.76}, {"text": "frankly to do it tonight the answer is uh it is the only other pathway forward for Council uh City staff cannot provide", "start": 5366.76, "end": 5374.44}, {"text": "that type of of work without actually having something in place that would be um you know on the work that our city", "start": 5374.44, "end": 5380.96}, {"text": "solicitors has talked about has to happen but we would need to put something in place that we could enforce", "start": 5380.96, "end": 5386.239}, {"text": "not just uh the way it is today so that's why it's here uh tonight and it's um and we will take the direction it", "start": 5386.239, "end": 5393.08}, {"text": "would only come back one more time what we've asked in the recommendation is that H for for you to provide Direction", "start": 5393.08, "end": 5399.8}, {"text": "bring a bylaw or don't bring a 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there's a pressing concern would they then not look at and this is", "start": 5630.52, "end": 5636.08}, {"text": "through the speaker would they then not look at the the the penalty to see if", "start": 5636.08, "end": 5641.48}, {"text": "that would be something that's a a reasonable response like if there's a pressing concern you know 20 years in", "start": 5641.48, "end": 5647.6}, {"text": "jail might not be a reasonable response but a a $500 ticket might be it it might", "start": 5647.6, "end": 5654.08}, {"text": "factor in into the analysis but but the limit itself is what has to be addressed", "start": 5654.08, "end": 5659.52}, {"text": "in that analysis so how to what degree is expression limited for", "start": 5659.52, "end": 5665.48}, {"text": "example thank you appreciate it thank", "start": 5665.48, "end": 5670.88}, {"text": "you councelor chanti questions um yes uh speaker uh thank you so I was just uh", "start": 5673.119, "end": 5681.719}, {"text": "following some of these questions and and and the answers respective answers how long have we been working on uh", "start": 5681.719, "end": 5688.239}, {"text": "developing a framework uh uh and and do we currently have anything", "start": 5688.239, "end": 5694.28}, {"text": "in place that is uh looks like a bylaw that we could enforce currently on the", "start": 5694.28, "end": 5702.56}, {"text": "books so through the speaker not a bylaw that um uh that would that would be in", "start": 5705.48, "end": 5712.199}, {"text": "line with what the city of vaugh has uh put in place no and and um no it's it", "start": 5712.199, "end": 5718.239}, {"text": "it's a true that I believe as as best as I could recall we started to have this", "start": 5718.239, "end": 5723.28}, {"text": "discussion likely early this year at sometime and believe it was the February 6th and 7th council meeting uh is that", "start": 5723.28, "end": 5730.84}, {"text": "when we first started to have discussions around a policy", "start": 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"whatever else I I couldn't take that as as anything else other than to bring back some for of Municipal framework to", "start": 5778, "end": 5784.88}, {"text": "enforce that we can't just wish that that happens we would need something in order to to make it happen so that's uh", "start": 5784.88, "end": 5791.88}, {"text": "that's what happened in the May time in in the may but have we seen that framework yet or are we still working on it so that's what's before you this", "start": 5791.88, "end": 5799.04}, {"text": "evening through the speaker is is do you wish us to take that next step we've looked at Von we've looked at other", "start": 5799.04, "end": 5804.32}, {"text": "jurisdictions and what they're doing uh this is uh to receive the direction to bring back the actual wording which", "start": 5804.32, "end": 5810.4}, {"text": "requires work by a number of Staff folks so we want that direction this evening or not we'll either take take steps or", "start": 5810.4, "end": 5816.76}, {"text": "we won't take steps after this evening approval of these recommendations tonight will'll give you direction to", "start": 5816.76, "end": 5822.159}, {"text": "come back one more last time and it gets it done uh the next day uh or in the", "start": 5822.159, "end": 5828.08}, {"text": "first quarter of next year so through the speaker the report back would be the bylaw which you then would have the", "start": 5828.08, "end": 5833.56}, {"text": "chance to uh either approve or not approve at that time okay um so I'm just", "start": 5833.56, "end": 5838.8}, {"text": "concerned that that again this is is going to be a year maybe more than a year by the time this ultimately gets to a point where we actually have uh some", "start": 5838.8, "end": 5846}, {"text": "protection in place for vulnerable uh institutions the city of Bramton they", "start": 5846, "end": 5851.08}, {"text": "have a bylaw um I I do they not have one in place right now my understanding is", "start": 5851.08, 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"end": 5906.36}, {"text": "bylaw it's been talked around yeah it's not been directed so what we're", "start": 5906.36, "end": 5912.04}, {"text": "suggesting is that because of some of the direction that we have received the next natural piece is for Council to", "start": 5912.04, "end": 5918.76}, {"text": "decide do you actually want to see wording of a bylaw or not and that's what's here tonight so while this may", "start": 5918.76, "end": 5924.32}, {"text": "seem from start to finish to be longer than some other jurisdictions it's because we actually didn't ever receive that direction we're not holding back", "start": 5924.32, "end": 5931.28}, {"text": "bringing forward a bylaw we weren't the directed to bring forward a bylaw I and I agree and and and that seems to be the", "start": 5931.28, "end": 5937.48}, {"text": "problem that this Council has not directed you to bring back a bylaw uh when I look at these recommendations I", "start": 5937.48, "end": 5943.88}, {"text": "don't see specific wording that says bring back a bylaw are you comfortable", "start": 5943.88, "end": 5949.04}, {"text": "with the wording in front of you that you have that direction so through the speaker if you", "start": 5949.04, "end": 5954.8}, {"text": "approve the recommendations that are before you tonight that would be one of the items that that happens is we would", "start": 5954.8, "end": 5960.639}, {"text": "be bringing back the bylaw for consideration by Council in the first quarter of next year all right thank you", "start": 5960.639, "end": 5966.08}, {"text": "speaker thank you madam speaker I do have an answer to uh the question I undertook to get an answer to earlier", "start": 5966.08, "end": 5972.639}, {"text": "the penalty in the in the um if it's okay to share that now under Calgary's bylaw the penalty ranges from 500 to", "start": 5972.639, "end": 5978.92}, {"text": "2,000 and there are some Provisions for repeat offenses thank you for", "start": 5978.92, "end": 5984.76}, {"text": "that counselor Myers questions thank you", "start": 5984.76, "end": 5989.92}, {"text": "through you speaker so I guess just a first a quick uh clarification question did we not", "start": 5989.92, "end": 5996.719}, {"text": "already deal with item three when we voted on this item before how is this item coming back", "start": 5996.719, "end": 6005.199}, {"text": "again because there was a proposal to have a a bubble Zone and Council said no", "start": 6005.199, "end": 6012.08}, {"text": "that well", "start": 6012.08, "end": 6016.08}, {"text": "through the speaker so there we weren't asked specifically to develop the bylaw so we were looking at ways and actions", "start": 6023.52, "end": 6030.36}, {"text": "that could be taken to ensure uh safety and that PE people could", "start": 6030.36, "end": 6036.199}, {"text": "practice and so this was the way we came back to propose that this would be a method to do that but it's specific to", "start": 6036.199, "end": 6043.04}, {"text": "asking Council if they would like us to go and draft the bylaw and come back with", "start": 6043.04, "end": 6048.88}, {"text": "that okay so this is a proposal from staff in response to the decision of", "start": 6049, "end": 6054.44}, {"text": "council that's correct okay my through the speaker and in specific to the made", "start": 6054.44, "end": 6060.04}, {"text": "direction that I was provided to bring back an action of how we would enact the protections that can only really take", "start": 6060.04, "end": 6067}, {"text": "place if the city is to consider a bylaw did staff consider other policies", "start": 6067, "end": 6073.239}, {"text": "other than creating safety zones in order to strike this balance so through", "start": 6073.239, "end": 6078.599}, {"text": "the speaker yes we've taken a number of of of other measures uh in in addition", "start": 6078.599, "end": 6084.32}, {"text": "to this so there are a number of things that are captured within the report one of those was your direction to update uh", "start": 6084.32, "end": 6091.84}, {"text": "our framework for demonstrations across this city uh in the action plan that was", "start": 6091.84, "end": 6097.8}, {"text": "uh uh that was developed we've also taken some additional steps around protection of the community and you see", "start": 6097.8, "end": 6103.36}, {"text": "another uh recommendation before you this evening uh to create a a a funding", "start": 6103.36, "end": 6108.52}, {"text": "stream so that we can deal with the potential for hostile vehicle mitigation activ ities across the city so yes a", "start": 6108.52, "end": 6114.8}, {"text": "number of things have been taken in addition to this so in these bubble zones for example", "start": 6114.8, "end": 6121.76}, {"text": "would and a let's say a school was protected would workers who were striking at a religious school would", "start": 6121.76, "end": 6128.8}, {"text": "they be caught in", "start": 6128.8, "end": 6131.76}, {"text": "this I don't anticipate that our bylaw would address a peaceful protests I", "start": 6134.48, "end": 6140.92}, {"text": "don't think it would capture a peaceful protest could but it could if you had to", "start": 6140.92, "end": 6146.159}, {"text": "maintain a certain distance it it could so I I I don't know what what the", "start": 6146.159, "end": 6151.76}, {"text": "evidence that's going to be shared with my staff will um will be will be so I", "start": 6151.76, "end": 6157.119}, {"text": "can't tell you what our Bao will will look like right now and would the bylaw still apply if for example there was a", "start": 6157.119, "end": 6163.84}, {"text": "church and let's say there was a political nomination of a controversial candidate would people therefore be uh", "start": 6163.84, "end": 6171.28}, {"text": "prevented from protesting that because it was being held in a church even though it was not being used for religious", "start": 6171.28, "end": 6178}, {"text": "purposes again we would have to look at the problems that are being identified for the city and then craft a bylaw to", "start": 6178, "end": 6186.96}, {"text": "address those problems so do is what's the what what", "start": 6186.96, "end": 6192.52}, {"text": "have other jurisdictions done when they craft these types of bylaws do they apply only when whatever institution is", "start": 6192.52, "end": 6199.599}, {"text": "being used for those purposes or is that sort of a blank blanket", "start": 6199.599, "end": 6204.96}, {"text": "effect the the B well first of all calgar and vs are very", "start": 6204.96, "end": 6211.08}, {"text": "different uh but if and I I understand brampton's is very similar to Van's V", "start": 6211.08, "end": 6217.719}, {"text": "focuses on what they call nuisance type activity so it does not um it would not", "start": 6217.719, "end": 6225.08}, {"text": "be tailored to the use of a particular type of institution it would be tailored", "start": 6225.08, 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6273.679}, {"text": "but not only by actions or Expressions that incite hatred violence intolerance or discrimination and has that", "start": 6273.679, "end": 6279.84}, {"text": "definition been reviewed by any Court as Charter compli not yet that was your last question thank", "start": 6279.84, "end": 6287.719}, {"text": "you councelor perks question yes I'd like i' like to ask Miss basil a", "start": 6289.679, "end": 6294.76}, {"text": "question these are these are very very complicated and sensitive issues and I think uh clear information is important", "start": 6294.76, "end": 6301.92}, {"text": "in answer to a previous question you said there had been 400 and something hate crimes I think that wasn't actually", "start": 6301.92, "end": 6308.04}, {"text": "the accurate thing to say could you clarify through the speaker the information that we have is about hate", "start": 6308.04, "end": 6314.76}, {"text": "crimes that were reported to the Toronto police services portal so these 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my", "start": 6360.159, "end": 6366.88}, {"text": "time counselor Fletcher says she didn't hear it if I can just maybe if I could", "start": 6366.88, "end": 6372.36}, {"text": "just ask again I I I know that you said a lot of things in there but but I think", "start": 6372.36, "end": 6377.719}, {"text": "the thing that was important for me to hear these are allegations correct until", "start": 6377.719, "end": 6383}, {"text": "such time as they are substantiated and charges are laid so in the vast majority of those 450 cases charges I would say", "start": 6383, "end": 6389.52}, {"text": "have not been laid but there are under some some state of progress in the investigation so they're in progress so", "start": 6389.52, "end": 6396.76}, {"text": "to speak right and and I know there have been some some charges laid and it's actually you need to get permission from", "start": 6396.76, "end": 6402.36}, {"text": "the attorney general to lay the charge uh and a number of those charges were laid and then withdrawn", "start": 6402.36, "end": 6408.56}, {"text": "correct you know I don't have them at my fingertips I understand some charges in some context related to hate crimes have", "start": 6408.56, "end": 6414.679}, {"text": "been withdrawn but I don't want to speak too Loosely uh next question uh has any", "start": 6414.679, "end": 6422.08}, {"text": "person been found guilty of a hate crime arising from activity at any protest", "start": 6422.08, "end": 6430.4}, {"text": "around the activities in Gaza and Israel right now since uh October 7th of last", "start": 6430.4, "end": 6439}, {"text": "year has any Court found that there was a hate crime", "start": 6439, "end": 6444.84}, {"text": "none in Toronto that I'm aware of none in Toronto that you're aware of well I think we'd be aware if if one had", "start": 6445.599, "end": 6453.639}, {"text": "okay thank you very", "start": 6453.639, "end": 6456.52}, {"text": "much yeah I just want to clarify something and that's why I asked to hear that again from the officer we're", "start": 6462.88, "end": 6469.599}, {"text": "talking about allegations versus hate crimes I'm just going to ask again city", "start": 6469.599, "end": 6475.04}, {"text": "manager or city solicitor is an allegation a hate crime or is an", "start": 6475.04, "end": 6480.32}, {"text": "allegation that there was a hate crime can you tell us the difference I guess I'll ask the city solicitor because it", "start": 6480.32, "end": 6485.639}, {"text": "is a legal matter is it not well people are innocent until they're proven guilty so these people", "start": 6485.639, "end": 6492.8}, {"text": "have not been proven guilty so would you consider that that's a hate crime or it's an allegation it would be an", "start": 6492.8, "end": 6498.599}, {"text": "allegation I believe the officer has clarified that that was an allegation we have that clarified please from the city", "start": 6498.599, "end": 6503.96}, {"text": "manager's office because that's been stated twice now that there's and it's been clarified through the speaker that", "start": 6503.96, "end": 6510.36}, {"text": "it is about the incidents that are reported through the police portal yes yes it's been clarified by the police", "start": 6510.36, "end": 6515.96}, {"text": "but I are you is that your understand in that understanding so we're clear on that now 100% yes because I think that's", "start": 6515.96, "end": 6523.719}, {"text": "actually a quite a serious thing I just want to ask here um since in Co people", "start": 6523.719, "end": 6530.92}, {"text": "were having a hard time getting to work Madam City solicor Madam Mr city manager", "start": 6530.92, "end": 6536.88}, {"text": "although you the city manager did you bring in a bylaw or request a bylaw for bubbles so that people could get safely", "start": 6536.88, "end": 6542.48}, {"text": "into work and not have to deal with antivaxers at that time if not why", "start": 6542.48, "end": 6549.84}, {"text": "not no no we didn't you did not no were you asked by the police to bring one in", "start": 6549.84, "end": 6555.8}, {"text": "no we were not we asked by anybody to bring one in no would you consider going to work in order to save lives and give", "start": 6555.8, "end": 6562.199}, {"text": "people vac V inations to be a very important thing to do oh that's just a rhetorical question I'm", "start": 6562.199, "end": 6567.679}, {"text": "sorry thank you so that was uh we were under I don't want to call it martial", "start": 6567.679, "end": 6573.52}, {"text": "law but we were under an emergency situation and you didn't think that you didn't bring in a bylaw to create", "start": 6573.52, "end": 6580.84}, {"text": "bubbles in institutions correct we did give some advice about how to address demonstrations yes but did you did you", "start": 6580.84, "end": 6587}, {"text": "suggest there be a bylaw to curtail people's rights to stand in front of hospitals no you did not thank thank you", 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our good officers here and you've been here all day having a great time", "start": 6639.48, "end": 6644.76}, {"text": "sure um a Nuance um yeah because I know I know at", "start": 6644.76, "end": 6650.599}, {"text": "55 there's lots of calls that go in in for nuisances and I know that our fantastic superintendent isn't sending a", "start": 6650.599, "end": 6657.599}, {"text": "lot of squad cars so how would you not how would you be careful to lay a charge that doesn't end up at the Supreme Court", "start": 6657.599, "end": 6664.599}, {"text": "well it's an excellent question and to be quite honest with you I mean a nuisance can mean different things to different people certainly to different", "start": 6664.599, "end": 6670.119}, {"text": "officers so much like the application or the enforcement of any type of of law by", "start": 6670.119, "end": 6677.119}, {"text": "law or otherwise um an officer needs to form their grounds in other words they take observations they assess what is", 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something that was", "start": 6713.599, "end": 6719.56}, {"text": "serious at that time that you had to spend a lot of time managing well I know that the province brought about some", "start": 6719.56, "end": 6724.92}, {"text": "legislation to deal with hospitals in particular but uh I would agree with you that it was a serious time that we were", "start": 6724.92, "end": 6730.679}, {"text": "all experiencing for sure but there was no request from the Toronto police for a", "start": 6730.679, "end": 6735.84}, {"text": "bubble by law and restricting anybody's rights to express their free their opinion none that I'm aware of ma'am", "start": 6735.84, "end": 6741.76}, {"text": "thank you very much thank", "start": 6741.76, "end": 6745.678}, {"text": "you Council Chen questions thank you madam speaker this", "start": 6749.8, "end": 6755.079}, {"text": "is a question for Carlton I'm just wondering what bylaws are enforcable in", "start": 6755.079, "end": 6760.199}, {"text": "a demonstration setting what are potential bylaws that you could see officers enforcing", "start": 6760.199, "end": 6768.56}, {"text": "uh I don't see any bylaws that would be impacted unless they were putting hate", "start": 6773.199, "end": 6779.239}, {"text": "posters onto utility polls so noise or", "start": 6779.239, "end": 6785.32}, {"text": "nuisance are not things that by law enforcement officers would", "start": 6785.32, "end": 6790.639}, {"text": "enforce we do not enforce people noise we do enforce Amplified sound if they do", "start": 6790.639, "end": 6797.199}, {"text": "not have a permit or a noise exemption we would enforce Amplified sound if it exceeds needs the decal levels", "start": 6797.199, "end": 6803.96}, {"text": "prescribed in the noise bylaw how about putting furniture uh on public", "start": 6803.96, "end": 6811.719}, {"text": "spaces uh that perhaps is something my colleagues in transportation services do", "start": 6813.36, "end": 6818.599}, {"text": "uh because it's on the right of way I I am going to add that um through you madam speaker there is an offense that", "start": 6818.599, "end": 6824.84}, {"text": "prohibits people from obstructing the sidewalk and who would enforce that", "start": 6824.84, "end": 6833.52}, {"text": "I will leave that to transportation to answer whether they would do it or leave that to the police certainly any large", "start": 6834.599, "end": 6840.04}, {"text": "demonstrations are left to the police for enforcement for obvious that uh through the speaker", "start": 6840.04, "end": 6846.4}, {"text": "that's correct we would leave that to the police to enforce so do police and", "start": 6846.4, "end": 6852.079}, {"text": "for City bylaws in demonstration settings I would say that we do so quite", "start": 6852.079, "end": 6859.32}, {"text": "rarely and I think the circumstances you're describing are something encumbering the sidewalk I believe is", "start": 6859.32, "end": 6864.36}, {"text": "the terminology that it we 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charge being enforced and then it has to go to the solicitor", "start": 7037.92, "end": 7043.8}, {"text": "general so it it can take a while and we have seen that some often the charges", "start": 7043.8, "end": 7051.079}, {"text": "don't stick uh and so in those", "start": 7051.079, "end": 7056.48}, {"text": "instances enforcing bylaws as opposed to hate crimes might result in a consequence", "start": 7056.48, "end": 7065.239}, {"text": "more direct question than going through the process of a hate crime enforcement", "start": 7065.239, "end": 7072.199}, {"text": "last question counselor thank you yeah I I I want to if I can try to keep those issues separate because quite frankly", "start": 7072.199, "end": 7079.119}, {"text": "the enforcement of a bylaw wouldn't necessarily impinge upon some s some sort of Investigation into a hate crime", "start": 7079.119, "end": 7085.719}, {"text": "I mean a hate crime would start as an allegation and a lot of times it's what we call a hate 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7141}, {"text": "um those those those complaints that came in they're allegations but you but", "start": 7141, "end": 7147.04}, {"text": "you have been processed or investigated all those allegations of as of yet correct each and every one is", "start": 7147.04, "end": 7153.44}, {"text": "investigated fully and and investigated and out of the the ones that you investigated what what came up from that", "start": 7153.44, "end": 7162.599}, {"text": "to be honest I I don't have a number I'm I suspect perhaps there are some very legitimate um allegations that may reach", "start": 7162.599, "end": 7171.159}, {"text": "a court uh to be tested but I just don't have those numbers uh the the", "start": 7171.159, "end": 7176.599}, {"text": "investigation of these matters rests with our hate crime unit which is a sub branch of our intelligence unit they", "start": 7176.599, "end": 7181.96}, {"text": "have expanded significantly since October 7th they have a full complement of investigators and they are working on", "start": 7181.96, "end": 7187.92}, {"text": "each and every one of these files okay so at the end of the day there could be some charges laid correct of course", "start": 7187.92, "end": 7194.52}, {"text": "right okay so there could be 400 charges laid um so um my next question is uh few", "start": 7194.52, "end": 7204.639}, {"text": "months ago when there was that shooting at the school um that's a hate crime correct well that", "start": 7204.639, "end": 7211.88}, {"text": "was a shooting at a school and I believe two individuals were arrested for that but the matter has not been has not run", "start": 7211.88, "end": 7217.84}, {"text": "through a a full court process as yet so it remains to be seen and in councelor", "start": 7217.84, "end": 7224.719}, {"text": "koh's Ward um he's not there uh that graffiti that was that uh in one of the", "start": 7224.719, "end": 7231.96}, {"text": "businesses in his ward in that that uh was all that graffiti that had to be 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7357.36}, {"text": "was very generous with your time um councelor Morley thank you Madame Deputy speaker I", "start": 7357.36, "end": 7365.119}, {"text": "just wanted to pull a thread on a couple of questions related to the police response um around demonstrations in our", "start": 7365.119, "end": 7371.28}, {"text": "city uh and I do believe that they're the most appropriate body to be responding", "start": 7371.28, "end": 7376.8}, {"text": "um so my question through the speaker will be for the Toronto police um can you provide some color and context to", "start": 7376.8, "end": 7383.52}, {"text": "the project Resolute um work that has been taking place over the last year in", "start": 7383.52, "end": 7389.4}, {"text": "the city of Toronto absolutely I don't want to provide too many details because quite", "start": 7389.4, "end": 7395.48}, {"text": "frankly it's complex and it has been ongoing for some time but essentially since October 7th since uh those events", "start": 7395.48, "end": 7402.28}, {"text": "in the Middle East we have stood up what we call Project Resolute which consists of a great number of police resources", "start": 7402.28, "end": 7409.76}, {"text": "and other City partners and other um entities um to essentially keep the city", "start": 7409.76, "end": 7415.36}, {"text": "safe and deal with protests and demonstrations that have somewhat been unprecedented in uh in certainly the", "start": 7415.36, "end": 7420.92}, {"text": "time that I've been in Toronto and that's all my life um so to give you a quick snapshot and overview there's a", "start": 7420.92, "end": 7426.8}, {"text": "major Incident Command Center in the Toronto Police Service headquarters up on the top floor and that is essentially", "start": 7426.8, "end": 7432.52}, {"text": "where The Incident Commander will work and oversee the things that are happening across the city in addition to", "start": 7432.52, "end": 7439.88}, {"text": "that there will be a great many um police assets on the ground with various levels of supervision some specialized", "start": 7439.88, "end": 7446.719}, {"text": "some general when I say specialized I refer to things like public order units psrt units um whatever the police assets", "start": 7446.719, "end": 7453.48}, {"text": "that might be most appropriate to whatever it is that we might be expecting to happen and since October 7th we have managed just under I think", "start": 7453.48, "end": 7460.239}, {"text": "2,000 different types of special events demonstrations of different types but I would say that the bulk of them have", "start": 7460.239, "end": 7466.199}, {"text": "been in relation to the Gaza conflict um as we will all have seen", "start": 7466.199, "end": 7471.679}, {"text": "there have been different phases of project Resolute we have seen uh times where Avenue Road Bridge was a was a", "start": 7471.679, "end": 7478.84}, {"text": "major concern where shopping malls were concerns where um Hospital row was", 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part of that a lot of times there's an operational element to what", "start": 7522.199, "end": 7527.719}, {"text": "is going on in the moment and then there is all the investigatory back work if you will that was happening behind the", "start": 7527.719, "end": 7533.679}, {"text": "scenes to sort of hold people to account and bring charges where they are appropriate um we like to make a rest in", "start": 7533.679, "end": 7540.36}, {"text": "the moment whenever possible but we appreciate that that's not always safe not always doable um sometimes", "start": 7540.36, "end": 7545.48}, {"text": "investigation must play itself out and we do make arrests and lay charges after the fact when appropriate that's very", "start": 7545.48, "end": 7552.119}, {"text": "helpful so would you agree that there has been a consistent and diligent effort from the tonal police uh to", "start": 7552.119, "end": 7559.199}, {"text": "Resource and address some of the impacts that we've been navigating as a city around safety and demonstrations for for", "start": 7559.199, "end": 7566.8}, {"text": "torontonians yes I would agree completely and uh just to follow up on that as well the hate crimes unit at the", "start": 7566.8, "end": 7575.36}, {"text": "tono police again the most appropriate body to be receiving investigating and", "start": 7575.36, "end": 7580.679}, {"text": "navigating these concerns has grown significantly uh as a result of these", "start": 7580.679, "end": 7585.92}, {"text": "efforts I don't know if you have the exact number on you but I think it's about a four times expansion of the", "start": 7585.92, "end": 7591.96}, {"text": "office does that sound about right that sounds about right um thank you and then my last quick question on this is just", "start": 7591.96, "end": 7598.88}, {"text": "with respect to um the number of complaints and charges laid um my", "start": 7598.88, "end": 7604.96}, {"text": "recollection of the number of charges laid uh most recently from the 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7699.32}, {"text": "in feeling of belong in the city of Toronto correct well correct to a degree", "start": 7699.32, "end": 7704.96}, {"text": "in the sense that harassment can be a term that takes on a legal connotation that harassment to a sufficient degree", "start": 7704.96, "end": 7710.84}, {"text": "can actually be criminal harassment so there is some calibration some assessment and as we were talking about", "start": 7710.84, "end": 7717}, {"text": "earlier you must form the grounds and at times I understand thank you I", "start": 7717, "end": 7722.639}, {"text": "understand um does anger over a foreign war give anyone the right to harass a religious community a religious minority", "start": 7722.639, "end": 7729.639}, {"text": "here in Toronto well in the simplest term I would say no of course but what people cons what", "start": 7729.639, "end": 7735.48}, {"text": "people consider to be harassment differs across groups absolutely now uh you've already", "start": 7735.48, "end": 7742.239}, {"text": "told us it is illegal to block the public from traveling along a city road", "start": 7742.239, "end": 7748.84}, {"text": "correct well we were talking about the gardener I believe which has very significant Public Safety implications", "start": 7748.84, "end": 7755.159}, {"text": "but there is many times there are many times when protests or demonstrations do", "start": 7755.159, "end": 7761.4}, {"text": "struct traffic vehicles and pedestrians and you know again we're talking about", "start": 7761.4, "end": 7768}, {"text": "the balance between Charter expression and the citizens right to move about the city so we try to find the right balance", "start": 7768, "end": 7774.119}, {"text": "and while there have been many disturbances there have been many times when we have ended that disturbance to open up the flow of vehicles and", "start": 7774.119, "end": 7781.079}, {"text": "pedestrians right but it is illegal it is contrary certainly to City bylaws for sure to block a road right but bylaws do", "start": 7781.079, "end": 7790.52}, {"text": "not supersede Charter rights of expression and so we have sought and received legal advice in many of these", "start": 7790.52, "end": 7795.76}, {"text": "areas and so there should be some balance that is struck what is reasonable and of course I would agree", "start": 7795.76, "end": 7801.239}, {"text": "with you I think I know where you're going um what is completely reasonable to some people is completely", "start": 7801.239, "end": 7806.4}, {"text": "unreasonable to some other people so we try to find the right balance and no doubt we often times inevitably", "start": 7806.4, "end": 7812.32}, {"text": "disappoint many uh with our efforts but we appreciate that free expression in a", "start": 7812.32, "end": 7817.599}, {"text": "free society and people exercising their Charter rights does cause inconvenience to many people often in fact that's the", "start": 7817.599, "end": 7824.639}, {"text": "point of it I would think according to people that are protesting right now it is contrary to the criminal code to be masked during", "start": 7824.639, "end": 7831.44}, {"text": "the legal assembly and you're uh correct well again this is something", "start": 7831.44, "end": 7837.44}, {"text": "that is sometimes misunderstood by the public that simply being at a protest and being masked is not necessarily", "start": 7837.44, "end": 7842.88}, {"text": "being masked at an illegal assembly because nothing about the is necessarily illegal well let's let's let's do it", "start": 7842.88, "end": 7849.92}, {"text": "piece by piece sure code clearly says it is illegal to be mastering an illegal assembly now we're on to the question of", "start": 7849.92, "end": 7856.28}, {"text": "what's an illegal assembly which is where I'm going so you're aware the groups of mass protesters week after", "start": 7856.28, "end": 7862.4}, {"text": "week after week have brought blocked traffic in my ward 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that it is heavy-handed sometimes brutal and is infringing on", "start": 7947.719, "end": 7954.719}, {"text": "people's rights of expression so these are things these are issues that incident commanders and ground", "start": 7954.719, "end": 7960}, {"text": "commanders wrestle with at each and every one of these demonstrations and try to find the correct balance and I would it would be far for me to say that", "start": 7960, "end": 7967.32}, {"text": "we get it right or perfect every time but we certainly try our best to get it right as best as we can thank you that", "start": 7967.32, "end": 7973.8}, {"text": "was the last question Deputy Mayor Malik questions", "start": 7973.8, "end": 7982.599}, {"text": "thank you very much um I guess this question is for uh police services and", "start": 7982.599, "end": 7987.92}, {"text": "also um our Municipal licensing and standards um I just want to understand", "start": 7987.92, "end": 7995.52}, {"text": "what a potential bylaw allows you to have", "start": 7995.52, "end": 8001.4}, {"text": "access to in terms of power enforcement that um does not exist right now in", "start": 8001.4, "end": 8007.84}, {"text": "terms of the experience that you just shared with us around addressing and responding to hate incidents uh making", "start": 8007.84, "end": 8014.119}, {"text": "sure that um Public Safety is um held as people exercise their Charter rights and", "start": 8014.119, "end": 8020.84}, {"text": "freedoms so as a general principle in policing we'd never turn away tools that", "start": 8020.84, "end": 8025.92}, {"text": "might be useful in our toolbox but if I'm being perfectly honest with you um", "start": 8025.92, "end": 8031.159}, {"text": "we have essentially created bubble zones de facto bubble zones already so for instance Mount siai hospital was", "start": 8031.159, "end": 8037.559}, {"text": "impacted by one one protest I would characterize it as a one-off and since that moment we decided that there would", 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8172.4}, {"text": "solicitor the same question around what um from what already exists what uh", "start": 8172.4, "end": 8181.679}, {"text": "how does it fall short and how would a BW potentially um make up that difference so through you mam speaker", "start": 8181.679, "end": 8187.84}, {"text": "there are already tools available to enforcement staff to address protests", "start": 8187.84, "end": 8193.12}, {"text": "that are unruly and contrary to our our uh standards in our society whether or", "start": 8193.12, "end": 8199.76}, {"text": "not when we look at the evidence that's brought forward and gathered to help us when we're preparing this next report", "start": 8199.76, "end": 8206.16}, {"text": "that we may be asked to do whether or not we identify a gap that needs to be addressed uh I can't I can't say but um", "start": 8206.16, "end": 8216.439}, {"text": "it's possible that there are there is conduct that falls short of for example", "start": 8216.44, "end": 8221.88}, {"text": 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that way and be divis let us not do that I received a letter", "start": 8627.84, "end": 8635.04}, {"text": "from Bap which is a Hindu U", "start": 8635.04, "end": 8640.359}, {"text": "organization uh with a temple in councelor uh chente's Ward um and uh and", "start": 8640.359, "end": 8649.84}, {"text": "and Bap said that they've been attacked five times this Temple and ask us to", "start": 8649.84, "end": 8656.24}, {"text": "protect them and want us to take action similarly the Ontario sik and gadoo", "start": 8656.24, "end": 8663.76}, {"text": "Council have looked at the proposal in front of us and said yes please we need", "start": 8663.76, "end": 8670.52}, {"text": "protection so people are feeling fearful people want us to take action in", "start": 8670.52, "end": 8678.64}, {"text": "fact it's not just religion we had incidents where drag queens had trouble reading", "start": 8678.64, "end": 8686.279}, {"text": "stories in libraries to our to to kids I've witnessed one that was in a public", "start": 8686.279, "end": 8692.64}, {"text": "culture institution where there was intense harassment was that hate I don't", "start": 8692.64, "end": 8698.6}, {"text": "know but it was really difficult situation and it was hateful whether", "start": 8698.6, "end": 8705.24}, {"text": "it's hate crime or not I do not know but I come to this since the city's", "start": 8705.24, "end": 8712.08}, {"text": "manager action plan asked us to let him propose a bylaw it may or may not work I'm will", "start": 8712.08, "end": 8720.319}, {"text": "willing to see what will be the outcome of this request I not sure it will work other", "start": 8720.319, "end": 8727.8}, {"text": "than make maybe make people feel a bit better but my amendments really narrow the scope I", "start": 8727.8, "end": 8735.52}, {"text": "want it come back to city council I want it to be informed by public", "start": 8735.52, "end": 8741.479}, {"text": "consultations rather than Toronto I want to say that is tontonan that want that should be kept", "start": 8741.479, "end": 8748.88}, {"text": "safe it's let's just be more specific because it's individual and that when people are", "start": 8748.88, "end": 8755.16}, {"text": "being targeted based on their identity whether it's the faith or agenda or what", "start": 8755.16, "end": 8761.52}, {"text": "it might be that is where I draw the line because you can", "start": 8761.52, "end": 8767.279}, {"text": "protest we could agree we could go out on the street and talk about things that we", "start": 8767.279, "end": 8774.68}, {"text": "believe should change but when we target individuals based on who they are", "start": 8774.68, "end": 8780.96}, {"text": "or what they believe in or who they worship for me that doesn't work okay", "start": 8780.96, "end": 8786.56}, {"text": "thank thank you mayor councelor Meyers you have a", "start": 8786.56, "end": 8793.2}, {"text": "question to the mayor yes uh thank you mayor for your Amendment uh would you", "start": 8793.2, "end": 8799.359}, {"text": "consider a friendly amendment that after the word informed by public consultations to add and a", "start": 8799.359, "end": 8806.64}, {"text": "constitutional legal expert opinion on the charter right implications absolutely I wouldn't want to", "start": 8806.64, "end": 8813}, {"text": "uh uh do something that violates people's Charter it won't stand up in", "start": 8813, "end": 8818.6}, {"text": "court anyway so um I just thought that because the motion the uh what what the", "start": 8818.6, "end": 8825.64}, {"text": "city manager said that uh city council direct city manager in consultation with city", "start": 8825.64, "end": 8831.8}, {"text": "solicitor um and uh that supports City's commitment to keep torontonian safe from", "start": 8831.8, "end": 8838.56}, {"text": "hate and it also said that um um to make sure that", "start": 8838.56, "end": 8847.04}, {"text": "uh uh and respect Charter's Juris Prudence though I thought that 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intimidation and hate when in other situ ations this", "start": 9195.84, "end": 9201.04}, {"text": "chamber would find it disgusting to cast doubt and question other victims of the", "start": 9201.04, "end": 9206.279}, {"text": "same type of abuse tonight we have an opportunity to", "start": 9206.279, "end": 9211.96}, {"text": "join municipalities that have chosen to lead municipalities like vaugh like Branton like Calgary in protecting", "start": 9211.96, "end": 9219.84}, {"text": "social institutions from hateful demonstrations and I want to commend the", "start": 9219.84, "end": 9225.56}, {"text": "city manager for stepping up and putting the question to this Council to lead", "start": 9225.56, "end": 9231.72}, {"text": "going to be supporting Council pak's Amendment I'd like to remind all of us", "start": 9231.8, "end": 9237.92}, {"text": "that when it comes to community safety it's never too late to do the right thing I hope you'll join me in that", "start": 9237.92, "end": 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in this city as a result", "start": 9536.24, "end": 9541.96}, {"text": "of these protests and for that I deeply thank them but there is an enormous", "start": 9541.96, "end": 9547}, {"text": "difference from not being killed and there's also an enormous difference to not being able to mount to", "start": 9547, "end": 9553.399}, {"text": "the very high level of proving a hate crime and having an acceptable level of", "start": 9553.399, "end": 9559.359}, {"text": "treatment and protection for historically marginalized discriminated", "start": 9559.359, "end": 9564.399}, {"text": "a minority in Toronto who are being harassed month after month after month", "start": 9564.399, "end": 9570.68}, {"text": "after month and we should have rules that there are some spaces that are not", "start": 9570.68, "end": 9577.92}, {"text": "open for little kids to be screamed at because of the actions of a foreign", "start": 9577.92, "end": 9583.88}, {"text": "government 99.99% of the city I'm sure will still be available for those kind of schol", "start": 9583.88, "end": 9590}, {"text": "but it shouldn't be in the immediate vicinity of a school a daycare a", "start": 9590, "end": 9596}, {"text": "synagogue a Jewish institution a a Jewish own business singling out the people of this city", "start": 9596, "end": 9604.24}, {"text": "because they're Jewish should not be permitted we have not done our job we", "start": 9604.24, "end": 9609.359}, {"text": "have not done enough this gives us a chance to do something and it's time thank you thank you", "start": 9609.359, "end": 9618.641}, {"text": "councelor Pastak thank you uh Madam speaker uh I", "start": 9619.88, "end": 9625.04}, {"text": "have a motion uh it's a friendly amendment to what the mayor has moved uh", "start": 9625.04, "end": 9630.08}, {"text": "it's a sentence uh embedded in the in the uh item three where it uh puts an", "start": 9630.08, "end": 9637.08}, {"text": "emphasis on protecting vulnerable institutions such as 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the", "start": 9723.52, "end": 9731.52}, {"text": "1930s I'm Tad to say that these images and occurrences are now in modernday", "start": 9731.52, "end": 9738.16}, {"text": "Toronto so let me be clear over the past 14 months there's been a failure by all", "start": 9738.16, "end": 9747.16}, {"text": "levels of government to Grapple with this problem policy incrementalism has not worked this will blow over has not", "start": 9747.16, "end": 9753.92}, {"text": "worked strategic ambivalence has not worked managing the protests have caught", "start": 9753.92, "end": 9759.24}, {"text": "the city upwards of $20 million in police costs reports of hate crimes have", "start": 9759.24, "end": 9765.279}, {"text": "doubled and the hate in our city and the violence that has followed had made major American and international news", "start": 9765.279, "end": 9770.92}, {"text": "outlets shaking our reputation as a city that everyone has historically boasted", "start": 9770.92, "end": 9778.359}, {"text": "about with resources being poured into civil unrest 911 response times have doubled so I say to all onar", "start": 9778.359, "end": 9785.76}, {"text": "torontonians you are paying a heavy price for this Mayhem your tax dollars are going to managing these mobs if", "start": 9785.76, "end": 9792.96}, {"text": "you're being robbed assaulted being feeling threatened you have to wait and wait and wait for for police response we", "start": 9792.96, "end": 9801.04}, {"text": "have heard from the protesters who insist that they have freedom and constitutional rights to protest well let me tell you something I know", "start": 9801.04, "end": 9807.6}, {"text": "peaceful assembly when I see it and I know hate when I see it and these hate rallies are not Charter protected at the", "start": 9807.6, "end": 9815.56}, {"text": "same time the other levels of government have to play their role where was the opp when there was protesters on", "start": 9815.56, "end": 9821.319}, {"text": "overpasses on the 401 true it's a gray area policy where it's a municipal roadway but backstopping the Toronto", "start": 9821.319, "end": 9828.479}, {"text": "Police Service would have been crucial where was the O RCMP when they were the lead security", "start": 9828.479, "end": 9834.8}, {"text": "for the visit of the state visit of the prim minister of Italy where rude protesters blocked a building blocked a", "start": 9834.8, "end": 9842.08}, {"text": "building so that we could not have our Charter rights inside hundreds of people inside a building the prime minister of", "start": 9842.08, "end": 9849.319}, {"text": "Canada the prime minister of Italy blocked by people who are chowning for their rights the Jewish Community wants", "start": 9849.319, "end": 9855.6}, {"text": "what every other peaceloving Freedom loving Canadian wants to go go about our daily lives in peace and security", "start": 9855.6, "end": 9862.08}, {"text": "without the threat of intimidation harassment and incitement and hate to pray in our faith to attend schools of", "start": 9862.08, "end": 9868.479}, {"text": "our choice and to have institutions that we cherish and enjoy people come to", "start": 9868.479, "end": 9873.84}, {"text": "Toronto from all over the world to escape conflict zones harassment hate and persecution there are over a hundred", "start": 9873.84, "end": 9880.96}, {"text": "wars in the world right now if they were to play out on the streets of Toronto the city would be INF Flames we must do", "start": 9880.96, "end": 9888.479}, {"text": "everything we can to keep our city safe for everyone conflict zones cannot and should not play out on our streets the", "start": 9888.479, "end": 9895.64}, {"text": "tragic story of world geopolitical events cannot be ignored but we must show that those conflicts thousands of", "start": 9895.64, "end": 9902.76}, {"text": "kilometers away should stay there in the end we look forward to these bylaws this is the minimum the minimum we 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coming back to council over and", "start": 10048.88, "end": 10056.16}, {"text": "over again and it's got to stop here tonight and we got to move forward and protect", "start": 10056.16, "end": 10062.16}, {"text": "torontonians families children torontonians need to feel safe in their places of worship they need to feel feel", "start": 10062.16, "end": 10069.08}, {"text": "safe when they go to public institutions whether they're hospitals uh uh dayc", "start": 10069.08, "end": 10075.12}, {"text": "carees schools and it's our duty our responsibility to protect all of us and", "start": 10075.12, "end": 10080.52}, {"text": "all torontonians thank you speaker and I hope that this gets approved unanimously and we can move", "start": 10080.52, "end": 10086.8}, {"text": "forward", "start": 10086.8, "end": 10089.8}, {"text": "you councelor Bravo There's real anguish in this city today", "start": 10095.16, "end": 10102.72}, {"text": "um it's anguish that's spread across a lot of different 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places of worship and to access the social infrastructure", "start": 10438.96, "end": 10445.68}, {"text": "without harassment or danger in Don Valley West I'm honored to serve a diverse constituency in addition to a", "start": 10445.68, "end": 10453.359}, {"text": "thriving Jewish Community I also represent a strong Chinese Community a vibrant Taiwanese Community a large", "start": 10453.359, "end": 10460.72}, {"text": "Persian community and the largest Muslim Community in Toronto in Thorncliffe Park and that names only a few I want every", "start": 10460.72, "end": 10468.88}, {"text": "one of those communities to feel safe and included and to live peacefully here in Toronto together when we all stand up", "start": 10468.88, "end": 10476.439}, {"text": "for torontonians to live in safety and peace we all benefit the framework and actions in this report will protect all", "start": 10476.439, "end": 10483.479}, {"text": "of us I am one of those statistics of people who reported hate 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in", "start": 10529.12, "end": 10534.319}, {"text": "the places that are appropriate for protest thank you thank you", "start": 10534.319, "end": 10542.119}, {"text": "councelor Meyers to speak thank you speaker through you I", "start": 10552.359, "end": 10557.52}, {"text": "have an amendment screen so my Amendment adds", "start": 10557.52, "end": 10564.359}, {"text": "the words after informed by public consultations and a constitutional legal expert opinion on the charter right", "start": 10564.359, "end": 10570.68}, {"text": "implications from the city solicitor so I too will be supporting this uh motion", "start": 10570.68, "end": 10577.84}, {"text": "um and I will also be supporting the uh", "start": 10577.84, "end": 10582.88}, {"text": "the Amendments put forward by councelor Pastak uh based on the language that I'm", "start": 10582.88, "end": 10589}, {"text": "moving today uh first as TTC chair I've", "start": 10589, "end": 10594.399}, {"text": "personally seen an alarming number 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"didn't do that with the Chinese Community when the co uh Co virus is happening so I don't understand why some", "start": 10743.08, "end": 10749.52}, {"text": "people feel it's okay to do it to the Jewish Community because of what's happening in Israel and Gaza you can I", "start": 10749.52, "end": 10755.72}, {"text": "think I don't think anybody cannot be moved at what's happening in Gaza as a horror show but that doesn't mean that", "start": 10755.72, "end": 10762.8}, {"text": "we should hold people in Toronto who are living their lives who many of them oppose that war somehow responsible and", "start": 10762.8, "end": 10770.56}, {"text": "for whatever reason a lot of these people have taken over legitimate peaceful protest and conflated with", "start": 10770.56, "end": 10777.8}, {"text": "other hateful rhetoric so for all those reasons I will be supporting this motion thank you thank you", "start": 10777.8, "end": 10786.92}, {"text": "councelor Co to speak um I just want to remind people", "start": 10789.8, "end": 10797}, {"text": "that the Motions that we had here before some councilors talked about that said we're defeated were not motions to enact", "start": 10797, "end": 10804.76}, {"text": "bylaws it was a motion to ask the provincial government hold on hold on I have to hold", "start": 10804.76, "end": 10810.76}, {"text": "on I councelor flet your name's not up", "start": 10810.76, "end": 10815.56}, {"text": "there it's not on my okay now it's on my screen yeah it wasn't on my screen", "start": 10816.359, "end": 10823.64}, {"text": "before uh hold on councelor Fletcher has a mo a question to councelor", "start": 10823.64, "end": 10829.56}, {"text": "Meyers okay councelor Fletcher three minutes thank you thank you for your", "start": 10829.56, "end": 10835.04}, {"text": "motion councelor Meyers um and what can you just give me an idea of what you", "start": 10835.04, "end": 10840.56}, {"text": "think adds this adds to that for a constitutional legal expert 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top of it I said let me go to the Police Services", "start": 11143.399, "end": 11150.08}, {"text": "Board some of the members of the Police Services Board are even here they heard me that day and I begged them I brought", "start": 11150.08, "end": 11156.04}, {"text": "a couple of rabbis with me a couple of local residents I said they're attacking our shoes on B Street will the Police", "start": 11156.04, "end": 11163.76}, {"text": "Services Board please do something to enforce some kind of surveillance", "start": 11163.76, "end": 11170.04}, {"text": "protection can you do anything well the answer I got I remember from the chair of the police board at that time was", "start": 11170.04, "end": 11176.04}, {"text": "telling me please hurry up hurry hurry up hurry up and the police chief at that time uh Saunders he sat there yeah yeah", "start": 11176.04, "end": 11184.12}, {"text": "come on let's get this over with and then they wrote me a letter back from the Police Services Board said we 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okay it could happen to any neighborhood", "start": 11288.04, "end": 11295.52}, {"text": "but they chose the Jewish neighborhood says we're going there to occupy it now luckily I got the mayor at the meeting", "start": 11295.52, "end": 11302.72}, {"text": "at Temple siai and we brought all the cops in there and he said listen we", "start": 11302.72, "end": 11307.76}, {"text": "can't take this anymore 5 Seconds yeah okay", "start": 11307.76, "end": 11313.92}, {"text": "okay I think we're all getting tired councelor", "start": 11316, "end": 11321.08}, {"text": "perks thank you issues like these moments like these", "start": 11321.08, "end": 11327.72}, {"text": "they're overwhelming it it is it is hard and almost", "start": 11327.72, "end": 11333.52}, {"text": "unimaginable to try to understand the the horrors that human beings inflict on each", "start": 11333.52, "end": 11340.239}, {"text": "other the the fact that there is a word genocide and that there have been", "start": 11340.239, 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many important things here in", "start": 11631.88, "end": 11638.64}, {"text": "this debate tonight um from very personal from very", "start": 11638.64, "end": 11646.2}, {"text": "political to understand how much we care and how much we do not want people to", "start": 11646.2, "end": 11653.319}, {"text": "be in the situation where they're feeling feeling like they feel and where they're", "start": 11653.76, "end": 11659.68}, {"text": "afraid and when they're so worried and when they feel that anti-Semitism has a", "start": 11659.68, "end": 11665.96}, {"text": "terrible tow hold in parts of Toronto they can't worship where they want where", "start": 11665.96, "end": 11671.239}, {"text": "they can't go to school uh", "start": 11671.239, "end": 11676.399}, {"text": "safely and I support the mayor's changes here I", "start": 11676.399, "end": 11684.6}, {"text": "support councilor Myers's changes here but I wish this R is it report how it is", "start": 11684.6, "end": 11693.279}, {"text": "possible to create a bylaw that protects the charter rights and keeps", "start": 11693.279, "end": 11699.2}, {"text": "torontonians safe from hate that's different than what we have here we're", "start": 11699.2, "end": 11705.12}, {"text": "saying propose a bylaw and by the way tell us a number of things we should be having before the final step there", "start": 11705.12, "end": 11712.56}, {"text": "should be a step there what does it look like to create a b law that protects", "start": 11712.56, "end": 11718.84}, {"text": "Charter rights and protects people is it possible to do that that's the question", "start": 11718.84, "end": 11726.56}, {"text": "of the hour and I don't think that's what we're asking we're saying bring it in and so I", "start": 11726.56, "end": 11734.08}, {"text": "have to listen to my colleagues that I did sign something earlier to protect", "start": 11734.08, "end": 11740.199}, {"text": "Charter rights uh because I think they're very important and I could go on 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"in a hateful way this is a line that you've walked very well and nobody has thanked you tonight and I would like to", "start": 11794.6, "end": 11801.04}, {"text": "thank you and I'd like to thank our MLS for doing their best job in difficult", "start": 11801.04, "end": 11807.84}, {"text": "circumstance if this was easy would we would have figured this out a long time ago long time ago but I do think that", "start": 11807.84, "end": 11816.6}, {"text": "what I've heard here is we're managing we need to be careful before we", "start": 11816.6, "end": 11822.64}, {"text": "add another lirer we're not asking about the other lirer we're simply saying bring us", "start": 11822.64, "end": 11828.84}, {"text": "another layer and when I hear that there have not been many hate crime charges", "start": 11828.84, "end": 11835.6}, {"text": "laid I don't think it's because Toronto police don't think there's hate crimes I know that from speaking with my own", "start": 11835.6, "end": 11842.239}, {"text": "division they're very concerned but the test is very high it's not a personal", "start": 11842.239, "end": 11848.96}, {"text": "opinion it's a legal opinion it's something that an officer has to go to", "start": 11848.96, "end": 11855.12}, {"text": "court and defend or an MLs officer would have to go to court and defend it's not", "start": 11855.12, "end": 11862.399}, {"text": "my personal opinion it's a very high test and it's a test of the charter and", "start": 11862.399, "end": 11870.64}, {"text": "it's just a high test so I think we're almost acting as if it's something quite", "start": 11870.64, "end": 11875.84}, {"text": "simple and it will now create a very different situation in the city of", "start": 11875.84, "end": 11880.92}, {"text": "Toronto I don't necessarily think that it will and I'm concerned that the", "start": 11880.92, "end": 11887.08}, {"text": "proposal here is not to tell us about the test that it has to meet tell us", "start": 11887.08, "end": 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13055.96}, {"text": "is Staff ready thank you so this is uh pH", "start": 13067.6, "end": 13075.199}, {"text": "17.2 can can staff recap exactly what public consultations occurred up until", "start": 13075.199, "end": 13082.76}, {"text": "date yes sorry um through the chair was the question book public consultation in", "start": 13087.96, "end": 13093.52}, {"text": "the last uh week or public consult consultation in total", "start": 13093.52, "end": 13100.08}, {"text": "sure so we had a proposals report uh to the May planning and housing committee", "start": 13100.12, "end": 13105.76}, {"text": "there had been consultation in the period up until then but I'll I'll speak about what happened since May uh we had", "start": 13105.76, "end": 13113.08}, {"text": "a proposal Report with a draft zoning B Amendment at that time following that", "start": 13113.08, "end": 13118.56}, {"text": "report we had four in-person public consultation meetings one in each", "start": 13118.56, "end": 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13231.8}, {"text": "the residents Association in the latter set of meetings uh was highly critical", "start": 13231.8, "end": 13237.68}, {"text": "yes uh was some of the feedback um that they felt that they", "start": 13237.68, "end": 13243.6}, {"text": "didn't fully understand what was put out nor did they feel there was adequate consultation", "start": 13243.6, "end": 13249.92}, {"text": "time uh that was the feedback in terms of the um period leading up to the", "start": 13249.92, "end": 13255.439}, {"text": "meeting I think that they did feel that they had a good understanding of um the", "start": 13255.439, "end": 13260.8}, {"text": "project through the uh the course of the meeting these are wide sweeping changes", "start": 13260.8, "end": 13266.439}, {"text": "across the city is that fair to say it's not a targeted change these are these are", "start": 13266.439, "end": 13273.76}, {"text": "Dynamic uh the they impact uh yes all parts of the city that's correct um these introduce", "start": 13273.76, "end": 13282.319}, {"text": "uh commercial activities into residential areas that otherwise don't have them or uh you know certainly", "start": 13282.319, "end": 13289.359}, {"text": "wouldn't see commercial activity going on on weekends or evenings or Sundays is", "start": 13289.359, "end": 13295.159}, {"text": "that fair you know that that's the level of change we are creating um uh on the", "start": 13295.159, "end": 13301.479}, {"text": "major streets um opportun a variety of um opportunities for small scale retail", "start": 13301.479, "end": 13308.8}, {"text": "service and office uses yes in area of at a walkable distance for Neighbors um", "start": 13308.8, "end": 13315.72}, {"text": "and areas yes in those residential zones where they have not been permitted up till now and then within the interior of", "start": 13315.72, "end": 13322.64}, {"text": "the neighborhood on Corner sites and on those adjacent to uh Park schools and", "start": 13322.64, "end": 13327.8}, {"text": "existing commercial for specifically for a retail store and yes that is not currently uh permitted in the zoning BW", "start": 13327.8, "end": 13335.359}, {"text": "I managed to get a hold of a map that leads to some of the background of the work and it it it talks about a", "start": 13335.359, "end": 13342.52}, {"text": "neighborhood retail uh changes uh up until 2019 and on this map and I know it's a", "start": 13342.52, "end": 13349.52}, {"text": "little small to see but would it be a fair observation that what we're talking about is concentrated mostly inside the", "start": 13349.52, "end": 13356.6}, {"text": "old city of Toronto and if you see dots on the out skirts those might likely be", "start": 13356.6, "end": 13362.159}, {"text": "referring to strip plazas and things is a this is a concentrated issue even", "start": 13362.159, "end": 13367.279}, {"text": "though it's a this is your last question yeah through the speaker I think that's correct and I 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everybody on this side", "start": 13414.72, "end": 13420.84}, {"text": "is left yeah we don't have any counselors", "start": 13420.84, "end": 13426}, {"text": "here look all empty seats and the mayor wants to make an important announcement", "start": 13426, "end": 13431.199}, {"text": "no just a point Personal Privilege sorry so please come to your", "start": 13431.199, "end": 13438}, {"text": "seat okay if you can press your buttons that you're here", "start": 13438.92, "end": 13445.841}, {"text": "I'm going Drive easily he's to keep", "start": 13458.84, "end": 13462.239}, {"text": "me Members there are 19 members in the chamber okay thank you mayor CH to", "start": 13476.64, "end": 13483.199}, {"text": "speak personal privilege thank you uh while I was out of the", "start": 13483.199, "end": 13488.72}, {"text": "chamber um sometime in the afternoon Council Fletcher says she would", "start": 13488.72, "end": 13494.56}, {"text": "undertake to bring together utsman city manager City", "start": 13494.56, "end": 13499.92}, {"text": "solicor uh Deputy city manager of um um", "start": 13499.92, "end": 13506.279}, {"text": "Community Services uh shelter manager and committee chair Bravo uh together with councelor", "start": 13506.279, "end": 13513.52}, {"text": "Thompson to R the utsman report and the city maner letter um as your mayor I", "start": 13513.52, "end": 13522.439}, {"text": "will undertake to do", "start": 13522.439, "end": 13526.439}, {"text": "this together with councelor brao and", "start": 13529.6, "end": 13534.278}, {"text": "Fletcher oh and plus the chairy uh Deputy Mayor molley which is the chair", "start": 13536.319, "end": 13543.52}, {"text": "of the antiblack raise some advisory", "start": 13543.52, "end": 13549.72}, {"text": "committee thank you thank you do we have any further", "start": 13549.72, "end": 13556.96}, {"text": "questions on um pH 17.2 okay councelor", "start": 13556.96, "end": 13564.12}, {"text": "Meyers do you have any questions on this item okay councelor holiday to speak sure I'm going to move two motions uh", "start": 13564.12, "end": 13571.84}, {"text": "the first motion is to refer this uh back to the chief planner and ask that further consultation be done uh to the", "start": 13571.84, "end": 13579.479}, {"text": "public and to Residence associations and that must involve uh a professionally", "start": 13579.479, "end": 13584.6}, {"text": "put together Communications package um the second motion uh you know should", "start": 13584.6, "end": 13590.08}, {"text": "that really not pass uh is that the item be received for information um members this is a", "start": 13590.08, "end": 13598.08}, {"text": "profound profound change to planning in the city and this changes the dynamic of our", "start": 13598.08, "end": 13605.04}, {"text": "neighborhoods in a way that's never been done before and all you have to do is look at", "start": 13605.04, "end": 13611.64}, {"text": "the supplementary report to see the evidence 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{"text": "and a way to try to achieve those climate goals is to get people to do more walking and cycling trips locally", "start": 14152.88, "end": 14160}, {"text": "for I don't know to to get a jug of milk so there's a lot here that we can", "start": 14160, "end": 14167.04}, {"text": "make work and I encourage all of you in the next while while the chief planner", "start": 14167.04, "end": 14173.239}, {"text": "is undertaking this more robust consultation to look for ways to get to yes thank you right on time uh councelor", "start": 14173.239, "end": 14185.359}, {"text": "Bravo two minutes it's really unfortunate that we got to the place where we have to support uh this motion", "start": 14187.239, "end": 14193.76}, {"text": "for referral I I can tell you that I've been working for about a week and a half", "start": 14193.76, "end": 14198.96}, {"text": "with counselors from every corner of the city to try to get to a place where we could get to yes", "start": 14198.96, "end": 14204.8}, {"text": "addressing so many of the concerns and this is a has a real impact I can tell", "start": 14204.8, "end": 14210.159}, {"text": "you that on January 1st uh there's a coffee shop in my ward the finch which", "start": 14210.159, "end": 14215.72}, {"text": "is going to be in violation of the bylaw and this is something that moved people", "start": 14215.72, "end": 14222.319}, {"text": "all over the city it's a place where people walk to the corner buy a coffee and buy some groceries or whatever they", "start": 14222.319, "end": 14229.04}, {"text": "is that they sell and and that and that won't be allowed to continue like we're I let's", "start": 14229.04, "end": 14236.239}, {"text": "think about what we're doing here we're regularizing some activity that's taking place we're putting some guard rails", "start": 14236.239, "end": 14243.319}, {"text": "around it my motion was about getting to yes and I think that a lot of us came together but to to try to get there un", 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thank you okay um so counselor", "start": 14468.159, "end": 14474.56}, {"text": "Myers two minutes and then we can vote on the", "start": 14474.56, "end": 14479.399}, {"text": "motion thank you through you speaker I just want to say I also thank councelor holiday for putting forward this uh", "start": 14480.479, "end": 14487.399}, {"text": "referral I think this is the right way to go uh I'm sure I will have a lot of", "start": 14487.399, "end": 14494.56}, {"text": "uh constituents who will support this motion I have neighborhoods in my community such as Morningside Heights", "start": 14494.56, "end": 14500.279}, {"text": "that don't have any retail options uh in one of my neighborhoods Malin there are no restaurants so there's a lot of", "start": 14500.279, "end": 14507.479}, {"text": "opportunity for something like this to be successful but in order for it to be successful communities need my community", "start": 14507.479, "end": 14514.68}, {"text": "in particular needs to feel like 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{"text": "excited to see that there is a road dedication bylaw coming before Council today which allows for the opening of of", "start": 14647.84, "end": 14653.84}, {"text": "the northern portion of State Crown Boulevard a significant milestone for my community in my w of scarbo North First", "start": 14653.84, "end": 14661.68}, {"text": "I want to take a moment to express my sincere G gratitude to the hardworking City of Toronto staff who have dedicated", "start": 14661.68, "end": 14668.08}, {"text": "their time and effort to bringing this project to completion so that's Adrien de backer Arun lishan matu camel Karin", "start": 14668.08, "end": 14677}, {"text": "Mary Newton Laura danard Henry Tang selem KH khed chowri and Belinda brener", "start": 14677, "end": 14683.92}, {"text": "thank you for your commitment to making this road a reality State Crown Boulevard is an important connection", "start": 14683.92, "end": 14690.04}, {"text": "between Select Avenue and Steels Avenue East and 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Fletcher do you want to move that one", "start": 18405.28, "end": 18412.798}, {"text": "yes yes it's on the screen oh not on my screen I city council excuse the absence", "start": 18412.798, "end": 18419.36}, {"text": "of councelor Shelley Carrol from the December 17th and 18th 2004 city council", "start": 18419.36, "end": 18425.04}, {"text": "meeting all those in favor carried", "start": 18425.04, "end": 18430.12}, {"text": "members before I ask for a motion to enact the general bills may I have a motion regarding the consideration of", "start": 18430.12, "end": 18435.878}, {"text": "submissions on zoning bylaw official plan amendments Council Pastak do you want to move that", "start": 18435.878, "end": 18441.92}, {"text": "one yes madame speaker okay the committee and Council considered", "start": 18441.92, "end": 18447.04}, {"text": "submissions and making a decision on zoning bylaw and official plan amendments all in favor", "start": 18447.04, "end": 18454.44}, {"text": "carried may I have a motion to introduce the general bills uh counc", "start": 18454.44, "end": 18461.796}, {"text": "mckelvie oh here we go that leave be granted to introduce bills 1280 to I", "start": 18466.36, "end": 18473.24}, {"text": "know I'm blind 1280 to 1365 and 1367 to", "start": 18473.24, "end": 18478.48}, {"text": "1384 okay shall Le be granted to introduce these bills all in favor", "start": 18478.48, "end": 18483.52}, {"text": "carried shall these bills be declared as bylaws and be passed subject to section", "start": 18483.52, "end": 18488.76}, {"text": "226 .9 of City Tonto act 2006 all in favor carried may I have a motion to", "start": 18488.76, "end": 18496.84}, {"text": "confirm to introduce the confirmatory bills", "start": 18496.84, "end": 18502.28}, {"text": "um Council ay uh Madam speaker that lead be granted", "start": 18502.28, "end": 18507.718}, {"text": "to introduce bills to confirm to the point of the introduction of this motion the", "start": 18507.718, "end": 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