[{"text": "Council business meeting and happy New Year to everyone today is Tuesday Janu", "start": 0.16, "end": 6.68}, {"text": "today is Tuesday January 7 2025 uh we are located in the city U", "start": 6.68, "end": 12.48}, {"text": "City Hall this City Community wing and it is approximately uh 6: p.m. um uh I'm", "start": 12.48, "end": 19.96}, {"text": "calling the the business meeting to order and if you would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and a short", "start": 19.96, "end": 25.4}, {"text": "moment of silence I pledge", "start": 25.4, "end": 30.84}, {"text": "to flag of United States", "start": 30.84, "end": 35.28}, {"text": "America indivisible andice for", "start": 38.36, "end": 44.28}, {"text": "all thank you", "start": 57.359, "end": 61.559}, {"text": "um Miss Cook could you call the role please mayor Norris here vice mayor pontier present council member gambaro", "start": 64.559, "end": 71.52}, {"text": "present council member Miller here council member Stevens here all members are present okay we'll we'll open the", "start": 71.52, "end": 77.72}, {"text": "business meeting with public participation um I won't read through all the rules but please look at them uh", "start": 77.72, "end": 83.24}, {"text": "please maintain a sensitive Quorum and you will have 3 minutes when you come to the podium please state your name your", "start": 83.24, "end": 89.4}, {"text": "address of record and and you'll have your three minutes and uh please be", "start": 89.4, "end": 94.479}, {"text": "advised that any item on the agenda do not reference during the public participation at the front during agenda", "start": 94.479, "end": 100.799}, {"text": "agenda items you will be able to address the council so with that we'll open public", "start": 100.799, "end": 107.92}, {"text": "comment happy New Year everyone and welcome to the Das we have High Hopes", "start": 112, "end": 118.84}, {"text": "the citizens of Palm Coast have high hopes that you're going to represent us and our tax dollars", "start": 118.84, "end": 125.92}, {"text": "well um my name is Ken McDow um I'm a resident of the district 2 here in Palm", "start": 125.92, "end": 134.36}, {"text": "Coast and about two weeks ago I um had something delivered just like this to my", "start": 134.36, "end": 142.239}, {"text": "front door and I opened it up and it had a little note in it a", "start": 142.239, "end": 148.879}, {"text": "little handwritten note note and the note says utility and City Hall corruption", "start": 148.879, "end": 158.159}, {"text": "handwritten and then it says Flagler live and PE Palm Coast Observer needs to", "start": 158.159, "end": 163.84}, {"text": "see this well I did not bring this to them but I opened it up and looked at it and my jaw dropped open and each of you", "start": 163.84, "end": 171.599}, {"text": "up here have received a copy of this letter and I'm just wondering if there's", "start": 171.599, "end": 177.8}, {"text": "any action going to happen cause of this because this letter is from a lady that", "start": 177.8, "end": 183.84}, {"text": "was hired back in June for our utility department and um she got", "start": 183.84, "end": 191.959}, {"text": "fired and from what it appears that she was unjustly fired for", "start": 191.959, "end": 197.48}, {"text": "not following what she was told to do that's Up For Debate but she list times", "start": 197.48, "end": 206.72}, {"text": "not times she list dates she list personalities and I know that each of", "start": 206.72, "end": 212.959}, {"text": "you up here on the council have received this letter and read it so you know what I'm talking", "start": 212.959, "end": 218.48}, {"text": "about and there are several of us here in the city concerned citizens that are", "start": 218.48, "end": 224.84}, {"text": "posting this letter out on the internet and we're also handing out", "start": 224.84, "end": 230.799}, {"text": "copies to several people we're going to make this a public event public this is", "start": 230.799, "end": 239.04}, {"text": "aoll the information in here is absolutely appalling how business it", "start": 239.04, "end": 245.72}, {"text": "gives some insight and how businesses conducted not just in our utility department but in our city", "start": 245.72, "end": 252.879}, {"text": "government and you all are new you know four of you are", "start": 252.879, "end": 259.759}, {"text": "new you've been trained by those people back here and back here that's who's", "start": 259.959, "end": 266}, {"text": "training you to do your jobs now how are they training you that's up for you to decide but don't", "start": 266, "end": 273.4}, {"text": "forget the last crew they were trained also and the crew before that they were trained there is corruption in this city", "start": 273.4, "end": 281.56}, {"text": "hall and I would ask each of you to investigate it represent us the citizens", "start": 281.56, "end": 286.919}, {"text": "of Palm Coast and how our money is being spent that's all I have to say happy new", "start": 286.919, "end": 293.88}, {"text": "year thank you Mr McDow please if you have your phones on please silence them I forgot to mention that next person for", "start": 293.88, "end": 300.479}, {"text": "public comment", "start": 300.479, "end": 303.12}, {"text": "please hello uh welcome and uh Happy New Year to y'all I never got a chance to", "start": 308.32, "end": 314.639}, {"text": "congratulate you so congratulate you state your name Les my name is lesie Johnson I'm in the P section of Palm", "start": 314.639, "end": 321.199}, {"text": "Coast I too uh received this odd letter", "start": 321.199, "end": 326.6}, {"text": "uh from a little birdie um the bird bust thought I was a finch and needed to Peck", "start": 326.6, "end": 333.36}, {"text": "around a little bit here and see what's going on I don't hold you guys responsible for what may have happened", "start": 333.36, "end": 340.72}, {"text": "prior to your arrival that like we can't do that you're just this is one of the first meetings really if you think about", "start": 340.72, "end": 346.88}, {"text": "it for y'all but I really want you to go um and really research this because", "start": 346.88, "end": 352.84}, {"text": "we're talking about tens of millions of dollars that are being brushed away and", "start": 352.84, "end": 359.28}, {"text": "we're talking about the water treatment plant the consent decree the request to", "start": 359.28, "end": 364.759}, {"text": "sign a document fraudulently there's some things here now I'm not an attorney but they just don't sound right to me so", "start": 364.759, "end": 371.68}, {"text": "I got a lot of questions and I'm sure that everybody else will too and you know and I know prior to your", "start": 371.68, "end": 379.639}, {"text": "arrival there's not been much transparency here within City Hall and", "start": 379.639, "end": 384.96}, {"text": "we have a lot of people who are very distrustful I hope you understand that so let's start this New Year off let's", "start": 384.96, "end": 392.199}, {"text": "take a look at this letter I know that y'all received it on 11:23 of 2024 it was from a lady by the name of", "start": 392.199, "end": 400.039}, {"text": "Amanda ree it was emailed to each and every single one of you okay and so I", "start": 400.039, "end": 406.36}, {"text": "realized we got the holidays we got this we got that but you know what she was fired on 11:14 of 2024 and you know on", "start": 406.36, "end": 414.72}, {"text": "11:15 one of the local Medias picked it up and dragged her name through the mud and then you know 11:15 another media", "start": 414.72, "end": 422.4}, {"text": "Outlet carrier and on 1118 and also on 11:25 now according to this letter she", "start": 422.4, "end": 429.24}, {"text": "was in a single room all by her onesies with one other individual I got to ask who leaked and we're talking about water", "start": 429.24, "end": 436.16}, {"text": "I know that's kind of a cute pun but really somebody leaked somebody said something and I don't know yet I'm I'm", "start": 436.16, "end": 442.879}, {"text": "going to be working on it and maybe you know let's just call myself a", "start": 442.879, "end": 447.919}, {"text": "uh interest did third party and since I've been looking into the wastewater", "start": 447.919, "end": 453.36}, {"text": "treatment plants and the dris and the sports complex and other things that", "start": 453.36, "end": 459.56}, {"text": "this seems to tie into it might be beneficial if you would take a look when", "start": 459.56, "end": 465.56}, {"text": "you're able and begin the process of your own internal investigations thank you for allowing me", "start": 465.56, "end": 471.84}, {"text": "to speak I hope you all have a good night thank you Miss", "start": 471.84, "end": 476.84}, {"text": "Johnson thanks person for public", "start": 478.159, "end": 482.319}, {"text": "comment hello um my name is Emily Fields I live in the l section of Palm Coast", "start": 486.36, "end": 491.72}, {"text": "I've lived here for three years two of which in the w section and the last year in the L's I'm asking for", "start": 491.72, "end": 498.96}, {"text": "reconsideration for the commercial vehicle ban these blue Coller workers", "start": 498.96, "end": 504.479}, {"text": "and small business owners are really important to Palm Coast we have six", "start": 504.479, "end": 509.919}, {"text": "young kids in our family my husband works for a garage door company he has", "start": 509.919, "end": 515.518}, {"text": "to take extra time to cover and uncover his clean work van with a very uh tacky", "start": 515.519, "end": 523.279}, {"text": "looking vehicle cover every single day rain or shine as he works hard to", "start": 523.279, "end": 528.8}, {"text": "provide for our family meanwhile our one family car of the same make and model as", "start": 528.8, "end": 535.48}, {"text": "his work van of Ford Transit sits right beside it in our driveway and we rely on his work vehicle we don't", "start": 535.48, "end": 542.2}, {"text": "have any other vehicles or ways for him to get to and from work we live on a back street with both of our vans parked", "start": 542.2, "end": 549.32}, {"text": "neatly in front of our well-kept home it in no way obstructs views or causes a disturbance to our community or our", "start": 549.32, "end": 555.839}, {"text": "neighborhood but these regulations that are in place are extremely burdensome and they I think they send the wrong", "start": 555.839, "end": 562.12}, {"text": "message about our beautiful city to the working class we absolutely have the ability to", "start": 562.12, "end": 568.399}, {"text": "Define what these commercial vehicles are I know that was an issue that was raised in the past of how to define", "start": 568.399, "end": 574.56}, {"text": "which vehicles are okay and which ones are not um we're just talking about nice clean work vans and trucks no oversized", "start": 574.56, "end": 582.72}, {"text": "or rundown eyes sores and honestly the required vehicle covers which are really", "start": 582.72, "end": 588.8}, {"text": "just glorified tarps look absolutely awful and those are the real eyesore here um Florida just passed a law in", "start": 588.8, "end": 596.079}, {"text": "July House Bill 123 which amended Florida statute chapter 720 which", "start": 596.079, "end": 601.88}, {"text": "prohibits HOAs and local ordinances from restricting people's own work vehicles", "start": 601.88, "end": 607.04}, {"text": "and their own driveways um I don't know if our laws um are the exception but", "start": 607.04, "end": 613.36}, {"text": "Palm Coast is changing and we're growing and we are no longer solely a retirement", "start": 613.36, "end": 618.88}, {"text": "community many young Working Families like ours are moving to this beautiful", "start": 618.88, "end": 623.92}, {"text": "wonderful amazing City and we add vibrancy and diversity and the same care", "start": 623.92, "end": 629.48}, {"text": "and passion for nurturing this thriving community that we all share in this room", "start": 629.48, "end": 634.6}, {"text": "please consider bringing this issue to vote again in light of our new leadership and for the benefit of", "start": 634.6, "end": 640.92}, {"text": "hardworking families thank you very much ma'am could you state your last name again Fields Fields thank you Emily", "start": 640.92, "end": 647.04}, {"text": "Fields thank you next person for public comment", "start": 647.04, "end": 654.88}, {"text": "please seeing no one come forward we will close public comments uh I'll bring it back to the dis any comments", "start": 654.88, "end": 661.48}, {"text": "regarding the subjects that have been brought up by the council or city manager I would ask for consensus to", "start": 661.48, "end": 668.639}, {"text": "readdress the commercial vehicles um if we could just maybe get consensus on a workshop on that I do think it's time we", "start": 668.639, "end": 675.12}, {"text": "read address that issue um I would I would wholeheartedly agree with you um", "start": 675.12, "end": 680.36}, {"text": "vice mayor um i' I've had the same issue um she mentioned U Overhead Door Company", "start": 680.36, "end": 687.2}, {"text": "her husband works for my neighbor across Street works for an overhead door company and she he did have an oversized", "start": 687.2, "end": 694.079}, {"text": "van and and someone in the neighborhood did call on him but those tarps are horrible and I do think we need to", "start": 694.079, "end": 700.12}, {"text": "relook it so um asking the council could we get a consensus to reconsider um our", "start": 700.12, "end": 706.399}, {"text": "uh commercial vehicle regulations can you get that on an agenda for us City May understood thank", "start": 706.399, "end": 712.959}, {"text": "you very much anyone else any others um and and the one matter Miss", "start": 712.959, "end": 719.8}, {"text": "Johnson we we did receive those letters and and we are dealing with that situation uh a lot of it we can't we", "start": 719.8, "end": 726.399}, {"text": "can't um this is not the form for it just say that so there is there's some legalities", "start": 726.399, "end": 733.48}, {"text": "that we have to consider in that um miss m uh Mr McDow yours was the same subject", "start": 733.48, "end": 739.04}, {"text": "so uh we will there will be more to follow on this this situation friend got", "start": 739.04, "end": 745.88}, {"text": "it okay so we'll move on to item e the minute minutes of the city council u", "start": 745.88, "end": 751.519}, {"text": "city council meeting December 17th business meeting um can we uh get a", "start": 751.519, "end": 758.04}, {"text": "motion to approve the minutes I move to approve Mr Mayor get a second thank you", "start": 758.04, "end": 763.8}, {"text": "um all in favor say I I you're good Miss Cook the motion", "start": 763.8, "end": 769.04}, {"text": "passes unanimously thank you ma'am okay we're moving to item F ordinance second read uh M uh Council can you go through", "start": 769.04, "end": 776.68}, {"text": "the formalities of that please", "start": 776.68, "end": 780.72}, {"text": "good evening ordinance 2025 XX amending city of palom Coast ordinances chapter", "start": 783.16, "end": 788.56}, {"text": "17 Community Development as amended to Article 5 short-term vacation", "start": 788.56, "end": 794.8}, {"text": "rentals okay this is concerning short-term rentals within the city the the ordinance if you have time to read", "start": 794.8, "end": 800.36}, {"text": "it uh can I get a motion to approve the ordinance Mr Mayor before we do that i'", "start": 800.36, "end": 806.72}, {"text": "I'd like to um okay I'll I'll move I'll move for discussion but I'm going to present an amendment to this ordinance", "start": 806.72, "end": 813.48}, {"text": "yes sir I understand uh can I get a second a second then Mr uh councilman", "start": 813.48, "end": 818.92}, {"text": "Stevens seconds the the the ordinance um point point of order are you moving to", "start": 818.92, "end": 825.16}, {"text": "approve as is or moving to approve with an amendment councilman Garo I move to approve with an amendment okay we need", "start": 825.16, "end": 830.519}, {"text": "to know what the amendment is before there can be a second I'm happy do that yeah okay okay so um thanks uh everybody", "start": 830.519, "end": 838.44}, {"text": "for being here tonight um I want to first and foremost um highlight my", "start": 838.44, "end": 843.759}, {"text": "position on the short-term rentals I think this ordinance is important it's a public safety matter and I you know", "start": 843.759, "end": 850.519}, {"text": "thank the uh guess the Triple C group from the the C-section for coming out and and supporting um this this", "start": 850.519, "end": 857.72}, {"text": "ordinance and helping us drive change here in the city it's uh it makes sense", "start": 857.72, "end": 863.079}, {"text": "I also have sat down and listened to some of our uh our our business folks business people business own owners and", "start": 863.079, "end": 869.72}, {"text": "operators and I think that um as a small business owner and I know some of us here on the on the dies can can relate", "start": 869.72, "end": 877.079}, {"text": "you know we need to make sure that that we balance this out and in governing sometimes we got to", "start": 877.079, "end": 882.959}, {"text": "compromise so back before I joined the Council on September 24th", "start": 882.959, "end": 888.839}, {"text": "2024 um there was language that was deleted that said that short-term rentals does not apply to single family", "start": 888.839, "end": 894.959}, {"text": "dwellings occupied on a full-time basis by the owner and an on premise permanent", "start": 894.959, "end": 900.839}, {"text": "resident that has been declared and continues to be declared as a homestead as a homestead by the property appraiser", "start": 900.839, "end": 908.079}, {"text": "now I don't think that the owner operator uh should be exempt from the uh", "start": 908.079, "end": 915}, {"text": "the enforcement of the rules of what we're trying to do from a public safety perspective uh but I do believe that the", "start": 915, "end": 922.519}, {"text": "uh person limit to how many people can stay in the home I know councilwoman or", "start": 922.519, "end": 927.6}, {"text": "vice mayor uh pontier is you know has been pretty set on the number 10 I think", "start": 927.6, "end": 933.199}, {"text": "that if there's an owner operator that lives in the home the the the number the Personnel or however many people uh that", "start": 933.199, "end": 941.12}, {"text": "are wanting to stay in in the home should not apply they have to live the owner has to", "start": 941.12, "end": 947.24}, {"text": "live in the home so so that's what I'm proposing as a compromise to still sustain the important priority from a", "start": 947.24, "end": 954.24}, {"text": "public safety perspective uh um of this of this ordinance but also for you know", "start": 954.24, "end": 961.079}, {"text": "if the owner lives there nine times out of 10 they're going to keep things in order okay and so so that's so I move to", "start": 961.079, "end": 970.04}, {"text": "amend this ordinance uh with the language uh that", "start": 970.04, "end": 975.6}, {"text": "was deleted bringing that back but uh maintaining the enforcement and removing the the P the I", "start": 975.6, "end": 985.04}, {"text": "guess the guest limit um if the owner operator resides within the home Mr", "start": 985.04, "end": 991.8}, {"text": "Mayor C can I just make a uh I want to make a point of clarification I'm understanding Mr G's motion are you", "start": 991.8, "end": 997.12}, {"text": "saying that you you want an uh inhome operator it doesn't apply to this or they the maximum home capacity doesn't", "start": 997.12, "end": 1003.48}, {"text": "apply I I'll read it to you thank you so short the the short-term rental", "start": 1003.48, "end": 1010.16}, {"text": "person limit does not apply to inhome operators of single family dwellings", "start": 1010.16, "end": 1015.8}, {"text": "occupied on a full-time basis by the owner as an on premise Perman permanent", "start": 1015.8, "end": 1021.319}, {"text": "resident and that has been declared and continues to be declared as a homestead by the property praiser okay so I'm", "start": 1021.319, "end": 1029.319}, {"text": "amending it with that language to remove the number of people that can stay if", "start": 1029.319, "end": 1035.12}, {"text": "and only if the the owner operator resides within the home all the other", "start": 1035.12, "end": 1040.76}, {"text": "aspects of the enforcement of the ordinance from a public safety P perspective remain in", "start": 1040.76, "end": 1047.319}, {"text": "effect and I believe I I I'll second that and and here's why", "start": 1047.319, "end": 1052.919}, {"text": "that it it seems to me that we just say so you that you're seconding the motion", "start": 1052.919, "end": 1058.84}, {"text": "so Mr Mayor just want to make sure we're doing point so Mr Stevens is seconding the motion then you guys go into open", "start": 1058.84, "end": 1064.48}, {"text": "discussion I just want to make sure the record's clear if you it's your meeting if you want to go with Mr Stevens first", "start": 1064.48, "end": 1070.48}, {"text": "okay go go right ahead um councilman Stevens it we I I find a contradiction here um in the", "start": 1070.48, "end": 1079.44}, {"text": "definition of sleeping room means any room that can be used for", "start": 1079.44, "end": 1085}, {"text": "sleeping that is located an exterior wall etc etc to two", "start": 1085, "end": 1091}, {"text": "people uh adults and uh a child under", "start": 1091, "end": 1096.44}, {"text": "Oney old uh and if you have so logic follows", "start": 1096.44, "end": 1103.039}, {"text": "that if you have four rooms you could have eight people if you have six rooms", "start": 1103.039, "end": 1109.36}, {"text": "you could have 12 people because further on it it does I do believe in a home", "start": 1109.36, "end": 1116.52}, {"text": "operator exemp exception that's why I seconded Mr garrow's motion maximum", "start": 1116.52, "end": 1122.919}, {"text": "occupany shall be limited to two transient occupants uh and", "start": 1122.919, "end": 1131.039}, {"text": "why it boggles my mind why did we cut it off at 10 uh that seems to be somewhat", "start": 1131.039, "end": 1137.84}, {"text": "arbitrary if if you define a sleeping quarters for to to be able to", "start": 1137.84, "end": 1144.919}, {"text": "accommodate two adults and one child under one and then further on in the in", "start": 1144.919, "end": 1150.559}, {"text": "in in the uh the ordinance you say you limited to", "start": 1150.559, "end": 1156.44}, {"text": "10 that's costing the the home uh home operator or the owner of the", "start": 1156.44, "end": 1163.4}, {"text": "BNB uh money and they're in business to make a buck and", "start": 1163.4, "end": 1170.72}, {"text": "so that's that that's my feeling on it there's a contradiction it has to follow", "start": 1171.24, "end": 1176.88}, {"text": "through and uh yes uh I guess I suppose", "start": 1176.88, "end": 1182.2}, {"text": "that the the the number 10 was established because uh they don't want loud and Rus Behavior but I think Mr", "start": 1182.2, "end": 1190.159}, {"text": "gambo's motion addresses that everything else as as he said should stand it's a", "start": 1190.159, "end": 1196.48}, {"text": "good ordinance it's a it it's protects the the uh the standard of living uh", "start": 1196.48, "end": 1203.76}, {"text": "quality of life safety Etc but I just had a problem with that", "start": 1203.76, "end": 1209.76}, {"text": "contradiction that's all I have to say um let's let's let's narrow this down", "start": 1209.76, "end": 1217.72}, {"text": "um your whole point councilman gambero is is it about the number of people or", "start": 1217.72, "end": 1224.32}, {"text": "about the homestead Homestead exemp exempt properties Mr Mayor it's about the", "start": 1224.32, "end": 1230.679}, {"text": "number of people there's an owner operator your whole issue is the number of people in the residents correct okay", "start": 1230.679, "end": 1237.76}, {"text": "that's what you're trying toit only when there's an inhome operator though correct okay do you have anything", "start": 1237.76, "end": 1243.44}, {"text": "councilman Miller no I think we should open it up", "start": 1243.44, "end": 1249.159}, {"text": "for public commentary and then okay well I I'd like since we're discuss it IID like to talk talk about it for a while", "start": 1249.159, "end": 1254.96}, {"text": "uh really there's only been uh one um I'd say three people that have uh shown", "start": 1254.96, "end": 1260.84}, {"text": "any contention for this policy and uh during the discussion I had I'm sure they Lobby lobbied the rest of the", "start": 1260.84, "end": 1267.039}, {"text": "council as they lobbied me uh the whole issue is the number of people and about", "start": 1267.039, "end": 1272.52}, {"text": "uh their bottom line how much money they make and as I told as I told them in our meeting your income is not relevant in", "start": 1272.52, "end": 1280.52}, {"text": "this argument uh the quality of life in our neighborhoods are relevant uh if the", "start": 1280.52, "end": 1285.64}, {"text": "issue is uh you want to own a true bed and breakfast uh whatever a hotel buy a", "start": 1285.64, "end": 1292.12}, {"text": "hotel but you were living in a residential neighborhood and during the last city council meeting we agreed I'm", "start": 1292.12, "end": 1298.559}, {"text": "sorry Mr uh Stevens you were not here but we agreed during that last meeting that the limit would be at 10 to control", "start": 1298.559, "end": 1305.36}, {"text": "the number of people that are in and out of these neighborhoods I had a gentleman before before the meeting came up to", "start": 1305.36, "end": 1310.88}, {"text": "approach me that lives in a C-section and he said Mike he said I we really need this pass because we had 18 people", "start": 1310.88, "end": 1317.08}, {"text": "in the house next to to us over the weekend and and that that is not a reasonable amount and and personally I", "start": 1317.08, "end": 1324.32}, {"text": "thought we came to a reasonable compromise during the last meeting as far as the number of people and uh if", "start": 1324.32, "end": 1329.76}, {"text": "it's and to me it's uh two per two people per bedroom and and I would and I", "start": 1329.76, "end": 1336.52}, {"text": "we can go ahead but I will be offering an amendment as well but we need to to", "start": 1336.52, "end": 1341.64}, {"text": "narrow down this number of of people in the total number of people uh authorized", "start": 1341.64, "end": 1348.12}, {"text": "to be in the the residents that's what we need to narrow down now uh council do we need to we need to vote on that", "start": 1348.12, "end": 1354.48}, {"text": "Amendment or does it have to be wholly refined before we can vote on vote on", "start": 1354.48, "end": 1360.12}, {"text": "the matter so what I would recommend if this you're in discussion so if Mr Mayor if", "start": 1360.12, "end": 1367.44}, {"text": "you want to add stuff to this motion then you can bring that up but if what I", "start": 1367.44, "end": 1373.72}, {"text": "would recommend if you're not going to add it to this particular motion then it would not but you you can still discuss", "start": 1373.72, "end": 1379.44}, {"text": "it okay do we have the um vote for the amendment to the total ordinance before", "start": 1379.44, "end": 1386.799}, {"text": "the next motion and can we do that and still pass the ordinance overall so to", "start": 1386.799, "end": 1392.32}, {"text": "answer your question first if it's passed as is it would have to go back", "start": 1392.32, "end": 1397.88}, {"text": "with Mr gambo's amended motion it would have to go back to a two read Because this is a major change okay so that's", "start": 1397.88, "end": 1404.72}, {"text": "that's the whole discussion I have with uh Council about my my my motion well my", "start": 1404.72, "end": 1410.919}, {"text": "my amend the amendment that I would like to do um and if if we can't come to a", "start": 1410.919, "end": 1416.679}, {"text": "consensus on the number of people we're going to have to do another read on this on this and and we can discuss my", "start": 1416.679, "end": 1424.76}, {"text": "Amendment or my changes that I would like to see in the", "start": 1424.76, "end": 1429.799}, {"text": "Ordinance one second let me process this so that's why we pay you I know I", "start": 1430.44, "end": 1436.679}, {"text": "appreciate that so what I would say say is you're addressing this amendment now if if you're open for discussion to talk", "start": 1436.679, "end": 1444.159}, {"text": "about possible other changes you can add that but you're you're addressing Mr gambo's motion first okay um that would", "start": 1444.159, "end": 1451.679}, {"text": "be the correct way way to do it technically but in efficiency of", "start": 1451.679, "end": 1458.24}, {"text": "time so in the efficiency of time you can bring up discussions of what possible things you would want to change", "start": 1460.44, "end": 1466.44}, {"text": "but you need to be focused on his Amendment okay and if he likes that he can also withdraw to okay well to further the", "start": 1466.44, "end": 1474.48}, {"text": "discussion I I think I think 10 people is is reasonable um and and we can", "start": 1474.48, "end": 1480.72}, {"text": "discuss it further or we can vote to approve that that Amendment it would still need to go the public after public", "start": 1480.72, "end": 1487.72}, {"text": "discussion okay are we good with that mayor if I may um just quickly I I also", "start": 1487.72, "end": 1493.24}, {"text": "met with Mr Mrs Davidson and um you know I I was very transparent with them as I", "start": 1493.24, "end": 1500.039}, {"text": "am with everybody um in that 18 people is never going to be okay with me in a", "start": 1500.039, "end": 1505.64}, {"text": "residential neighborhood I don't care if you live there if you don't live there um I think that uh I understand their", "start": 1505.64, "end": 1511.32}, {"text": "position as far as them being good owners and operators and probably being very respectful to their neighbors and", "start": 1511.32, "end": 1517.12}, {"text": "having a larger home that can accommodate that amount of people but at the end of the day it's a residential neighborhood and you bought a home in a", "start": 1517.12, "end": 1523.24}, {"text": "residential neighborhood and to your point if you want a bed and breakfast or if you want um to operate something else", "start": 1523.24, "end": 1529.44}, {"text": "on a larger scale then we have zoning in different areas for that um my fear", "start": 1529.44, "end": 1535.36}, {"text": "councilman gambaro with regards to your proposed amendment is that we'll see people say that they live in the home", "start": 1535.36, "end": 1542.799}, {"text": "and try to claim homestead when in fact they don't so that they can get so they", "start": 1542.799, "end": 1547.84}, {"text": "can skirt this requirement um so that's my concern and people will always find a way to take advantage of of legislation", "start": 1547.84, "end": 1554.88}, {"text": "I I understand that that's not lost on me but our job is to and you know when I put my attorney hat my job is to think", "start": 1554.88, "end": 1561.44}, {"text": "about the future and play Devil's Advocate and I feel like this is one way where people could um skirt that rule so", 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when it comes to", "start": 1607.36, "end": 1615.559}, {"text": "children I would say 0 to three years up to toddlers they would be exempt so if", "start": 1615.559, "end": 1621.279}, {"text": "anybody's going to come forward and talk about that that's that's the the amendment I want to make to the ordinance is because children from zero", "start": 1621.279, "end": 1628.84}, {"text": "to three you know a lot of people sleep with their toddler sleeps in the bed with them um so I have no problem with", "start": 1628.84, "end": 1636.12}, {"text": "uh zero to three so but we'll come back to that but right now we we're going to open up the public discussion as far as", "start": 1636.12, "end": 1643.12}, {"text": "the the initial ordinance and the proposed amendment by councilman gber uh", "start": 1643.12, "end": 1648.6}, {"text": "gambaro", "start": 1648.6, "end": 1651.6}, {"text": "sir good evening mayor good evening councelors my name is Roger cresy uh", "start": 1653.88, "end": 1659.039}, {"text": "live in Claremont Street Claremont Court um I am from the um Canal", "start": 1659.039, "end": 1665}, {"text": "Community Coalition um first of all just to say", "start": 1665, "end": 1670.12}, {"text": "thank you for the hard work so far as certain people we've done workshops with and worked hard to get these through", "start": 1670.12, "end": 1676.88}, {"text": "we're really Keen that this goes through now this is it's taken a long time to just keep on revisiting it and opening", "start": 1676.88, "end": 1684.76}, {"text": "up things that we've already discussed as to your point mayor we discussed the fact that it was a cap of 10 there was", "start": 1684.76, "end": 1690.88}, {"text": "already a debate and a discussion it should be closed it should be done um and honestly uh I Mr Stevens", "start": 1690.88, "end": 1700.88}, {"text": "what you were saying earlier about uh you know you can't see the logic the fact is you take 10 people and their", "start": 1700.88, "end": 1707.2}, {"text": "children and put them on the a patio or a pool deck across from your house I promise you it is a big number of people", "start": 1707.2, "end": 1714.2}, {"text": "already so uh that just that um we know uh so far so that limit of 10 is I we", "start": 1714.2, "end": 1722.12}, {"text": "think is sacran um 40 properties in the last 6", "start": 1722.12, "end": 1727.2}, {"text": "months so I know I think the numbers are incorrect anyway of the registration of them in the first place we know they're", "start": 1727.2, "end": 1733.72}, {"text": "inaccurate but of the properties that are are we know sdrs 40 of them have had", "start": 1733.72, "end": 1740.88}, {"text": "complaints against them by our community in the last 6 months so and that's all sorts of things", "start": 1740.88, "end": 1748.2}, {"text": "from noise to lights to abuse from them", "start": 1748.2, "end": 1753.399}, {"text": "to people parking on their Gardens to trespassing and fishing there's numerous", "start": 1753.399, "end": 1759.399}, {"text": "things and I'm sure I'm missing out some we still have problems enough even with", "start": 1759.399, "end": 1764.48}, {"text": "this new uh if you like minimal requirement that we're asking for there", "start": 1764.48, "end": 1769.64}, {"text": "will still be issues and we still have three of our members who have now put their houses on the market a person at", "start": 1769.64, "end": 1775.679}, {"text": "the end of our street actually sold their house at probably about $100,000 below price so that they could get out", "start": 1775.679, "end": 1782.679}, {"text": "of Dodge away from the estrs so I mean we ourselves spent New", "start": 1782.679, "end": 1788.64}, {"text": "Year's Eve hiding out in public away from our house so that we could avoid uh", "start": 1788.64, "end": 1795.399}, {"text": "a large family of people in the Airbnb across the road this is this is our lives it's our livelihood it's our", "start": 1795.399, "end": 1802.24}, {"text": "property and when someone starts to talk about somebody else making money out of", "start": 1802.24, "end": 1807.32}, {"text": "a residential property in a residential area it starts to get my ey up but I", "start": 1807.32, "end": 1812.799}, {"text": "don't want to end on that I want to just say thank you I ask for your consideration of this in a balanced way", "start": 1812.799, "end": 1819.36}, {"text": "we we want to make sure that this is fair and this is certainly we believe more than fair at this stage so thank", "start": 1819.36, "end": 1826.279}, {"text": "you very much thank you sir next public comment thank you Joel Davidson and", "start": 1826.279, "end": 1834.559}, {"text": "Airbnb itself in our own little dinky bubble that we have it was created for", "start": 1834.559, "end": 1840.12}, {"text": "people to make extra income by renting rooms in the home that they live in I would not want to live next door to a", "start": 1840.12, "end": 1847.96}, {"text": "home that's owned from somebody out of town that we don't have their personal", "start": 1847.96, "end": 1853.08}, {"text": "number and they're running through anybody and 10 12 people could show up", "start": 1853.08, "end": 1858.48}, {"text": "at that house for a party or something I would not want to live next to them either so I'm 100% in agreement I assume", "start": 1858.48, "end": 1864.88}, {"text": "our C-section people over here I'm in 100% agreement with our C-section folks I don't want that I I don't think", "start": 1864.88, "end": 1870.96}, {"text": "anybody that does airb andp should rent the home without theirselves living there because it's too much of a problem", "start": 1870.96, "end": 1877}, {"text": "we could double the price that we charge for our home if we vacated it about half", "start": 1877, "end": 1884.32}, {"text": "of the requests that we get when people do request all five", "start": 1884.32, "end": 1889.36}, {"text": "bedrooms as soon as we tell them that we live there they always say well you're not going to be there when we're there", "start": 1889.36, "end": 1895.48}, {"text": "right we say no we live there we will be here the whole time you're here ha at least half of those reservation requests", "start": 1895.48, "end": 1902.799}, {"text": "cancel why because they're wanting to have a party so we solve our own we", "start": 1902.799, "end": 1909.159}, {"text": "solve the problem by living there for our little bubble and again there's not", "start": 1909.159, "end": 1914.84}, {"text": "many homes in Palm Coast even though there are a lot of Airbnb homes there", "start": 1914.84, "end": 1920.159}, {"text": "are not many that have five bedrooms available to rent we might be the only", "start": 1920.159, "end": 1925.48}, {"text": "ones that live in our home and have five extra bedrooms because we had four children with a six-bedroom house", "start": 1925.48, "end": 1930.679}, {"text": "they're all grown and gone so um Del priz this is our neighborhood", "start": 1930.679, "end": 1938.36}, {"text": "these are our neighbors our friends and Kathy reads Everybody the riot act when they check in look we these are our", "start": 1938.36, "end": 1944.88}, {"text": "neighbors around here we want them to like us we haven't had complaints in 9 years we've been doing this over 2,000", "start": 1944.88, "end": 1952.32}, {"text": "individual reservations representing about 10,000 human beings have come", "start": 1952.32, "end": 1957.399}, {"text": "through our home in the last nine years we've never had complaints um and again", "start": 1957.399, "end": 1963.039}, {"text": "prove the homestead tax exemption our cars are parked and registered there that you somebody's going to find a way", "start": 1963.039, "end": 1969.279}, {"text": "to break the rules just like gun control you make a bunch of gun control rules criminals still get guns right so people", "start": 1969.279, "end": 1975.559}, {"text": "will break rules but you know not us our little bubble so there could just be an", "start": 1975.559, "end": 1980.76}, {"text": "air an exemption for people like us that's being offered suggested which we", "start": 1980.76, "end": 1986}, {"text": "so appreciate that as long as we live there and we're taking care of our home let us worry about how many people can", "start": 1986, "end": 1992.919}, {"text": "be in our home okay and to your point about 18 people they're never there at the same time people come they", "start": 1992.919, "end": 1999.039}, {"text": "go we had 18 people uh a couple Saturdays ago there was never 18 people", "start": 1999.039, "end": 2004.72}, {"text": "at home at one time except one in the morning when everybody was sound asleep um and the final thing was one other way", "start": 2004.72, "end": 2012.32}, {"text": "to put a children 10 and under not be counted instead of one year or even three years so thank", "start": 2012.32, "end": 2020.039}, {"text": "you hi there I'm Kathy Davidson I live at uh Palm Coast uh Pine Grove uh drive", "start": 2021.6, "end": 2027.32}, {"text": "and here in Palm Coast you know years ago we had a lady that was local here that actually wanted to rent our house", "start": 2027.32, "end": 2032.88}, {"text": "for a family reunion we invited her to our house and let her see what what was uh what was everything was and she knew", "start": 2032.88, "end": 2038.96}, {"text": "exactly how everything was ran she did not come the day of her reunion when", "start": 2038.96, "end": 2044.08}, {"text": "family members were coming in all of a sudden she shows up and she goes oh you live here we said yeah yeah we live here", "start": 2044.08, "end": 2051.118}, {"text": "we sent you the rules we sent you everything we invited you to come you chose not to come so she begged us to", "start": 2051.119, "end": 2057.919}, {"text": "leave please leave let us have our family reunion without you please take your dogs we said absolutely not we're", "start": 2057.919, "end": 2066.04}, {"text": "here we told you we didn't we didn't hiccup when we said this she canel her", "start": 2066.04, "end": 2071.398}, {"text": "reservation now that lets me think that there was probably going to be more going on than what uh was being spoken", "start": 2071.399, "end": 2077.679}, {"text": "so after few hours if she couldn't find another place that would make her happy she called us back up and begged us to", "start": 2077.679, "end": 2084.48}, {"text": "please leave the home and let them rent our home and we said no my husband", "start": 2084.48, "end": 2089.919}, {"text": "informed her he said look you are welcome in our home and we are welcome in our home and that's how it will be", "start": 2089.919, "end": 2096.96}, {"text": "and their family reunion I'm sorry probably got cancelled and that isn't my fault we live there we inform people and", "start": 2096.96, "end": 2104.28}, {"text": "we stress the rules when I give a tour 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the law", "start": 2143.079, "end": 2149.24}, {"text": "who's had a business for almost 10 years now who doesn't have complaints who makees sure that I am there whenever", "start": 2149.24, "end": 2157.079}, {"text": "there are are parties and stuff that are large people that are there I ask you to", "start": 2157.079, "end": 2162.76}, {"text": "consider anywhere between you know 12 to 14 people that can fit our home we are", "start": 2162.76, "end": 2167.96}, {"text": "there monitoring we don't allow matter of fact I was down at a yard sale about last summer and one of the L says you", "start": 2167.96, "end": 2174.48}, {"text": "own the Airbnb up the road she and I said yeah she goes I heard about your rules they are cool when I say cool", "start": 2174.48, "end": 2180.64}, {"text": "they're very strict we don't allow drunks drinking getting drunk we don't allow smoking and all that kind of stuff", "start": 2180.64, "end": 2187.16}, {"text": "on priv we don't allow cursing we don't 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{"text": "coverings on the windows or a garden um a flower garden they just built as as", "start": 2373.119, "end": 2380.4}, {"text": "facility venues and so when we increase the limits what it does is it in it um", "start": 2380.4, "end": 2388.079}, {"text": "invites different types of groups to come so that's why we are all so set on", "start": 2388.079, "end": 2393.72}, {"text": "that 10 uh person limit at the most they still create tremendous noise just been", "start": 2393.72, "end": 2399.96}, {"text": "10 people um so um also um Mr Stevens", "start": 2399.96, "end": 2407.44}, {"text": "regarding uh small business most of us here are small business people a lot of", "start": 2407.44, "end": 2412.76}, {"text": "us have small businesses a lot of us are working from home and are constantly interrupted in our work um our", "start": 2412.76, "end": 2420.16}, {"text": "businesses have had restrictions on them I would like to recommend that people who do have businesses Str strs um", 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we had um we have", "start": 2471.64, "end": 2480.599}, {"text": "Ryals down by us there was one house during bike week they had seven cars", "start": 2480.599, "end": 2485.76}, {"text": "there's no room for seven cars in our streets thank you so you know where they", "start": 2485.76, "end": 2492.96}, {"text": "parked in the yard and in the swells it was lovely not lovely at all", "start": 2492.96, "end": 2500.28}, {"text": "would you like that at your house what about the huge motor home", "start": 2500.28, "end": 2505.64}, {"text": "that was Three Doors Down from us at the rbnb huge it was massive there were", "start": 2505.64, "end": 2510.96}, {"text": "people in the home and in the motor home it was like ants", "start": 2510.96, "end": 2517.4}, {"text": "would that be okay next door to you they're not quiet most people aren't Pleasant they think this is not a", "start": 2517.4, "end": 2524.319}, {"text": "residential area they are on vacation and they want to do what they want to do on vacation", "start": 2524.319, "end": 2530.56}, {"text": "and I get that so go to some place else where you're meant to be for vacation", "start": 2530.56, "end": 2536.76}, {"text": "stop coming to my house when I didn't invite you we did not invite them you", "start": 2536.76, "end": 2542.559}, {"text": "didn't invite them I want to know who's going to be watching you have great", "start": 2542.559, "end": 2548.359}, {"text": "ideas but who's going to enforce them I notice when I look at y'all you look away my children do", "start": 2548.359, "end": 2555.48}, {"text": "that they're like not me so who's except for The Grouchy one", "start": 2555.48, "end": 2560.96}, {"text": "he looked right at me I like him the best right now as long as he does it seriously who's going to make this", "start": 2560.96, "end": 2568.88}, {"text": "work it's not my job I didn't I didn't hire on for this I bought a nice house in a quiet neighborhood and now it's not", "start": 2568.88, "end": 2576}, {"text": "and now you you're the ones that said it's okay that they could be the bullies in my sandbox so I want to know who's going to", "start": 2576, "end": 2582.599}, {"text": "regulate who's going to watch it you have these great ideas who's going to make sure that it's going to happen raise your hand go ahead oh no one's", "start": 2582.599, "end": 2591.68}, {"text": "raising their hand I I see that says it all thank you", "start": 2591.68, "end": 2598.319}, {"text": "thank you ma'am uh Mark stanil SE o Woods uh there", "start": 2598.319, "end": 2607.52}, {"text": "should be a limit on the number of people but my concern is how's who's going to enforce the the violations that", "start": 2607.52, "end": 2614.92}, {"text": "that uh we are going to incurred with these things uh a lot of uh people that", "start": 2614.92, "end": 2621.72}, {"text": "have these don't even live here some do some don't a lot don't uh code", "start": 2621.72, "end": 2626.92}, {"text": "enforcement's not not they're not police officers so they can't actually stop", "start": 2626.92, "end": 2632.04}, {"text": "anything and they'll give a a warning and the next day they're gone so that just Falls by by the wayside you don't", "start": 2632.04, "end": 2638.52}, {"text": "have the proper uh violations set up to handle short-term rentals you need to do", "start": 2638.52, "end": 2645.28}, {"text": "that or you know whatever you pass you know then it's going to be another problem down the road because you didn't", "start": 2645.28, "end": 2652.559}, {"text": "fix it this time make sure you've got violations that homeowners that are renting these places will have to suffer", "start": 2652.559, "end": 2659.88}, {"text": "the consequence if they don't take care of the their homes and the people they rent them to it's all I got thank you", "start": 2659.88, "end": 2666.839}, {"text": "thank than you Mr stansel hello everybody um I'm Sher", "start": 2666.839, "end": 2672.88}, {"text": "Montgomery I also live in the C-section on Claremont Court um and I just want to", "start": 2672.88, "end": 2679.04}, {"text": "I'm sitting back thinking and listening to the conversation and I appreciate everybody's opinions I think when I look", "start": 2679.04, "end": 2685.96}, {"text": "at this we have two very different things we're talking about we're talking about the couple that rents their rooms", "start": 2685.96, "end": 2692.92}, {"text": "and are requesting extra exception but to me they're almost and maybe I'm wrong", "start": 2692.92, "end": 2699.079}, {"text": "but I'm hearing that it's more of a bed and breakfast they may rent one room they may rent two they may not may they", "start": 2699.079, "end": 2705.599}, {"text": "may rent the whole home what we're looking at in our neighborhood are those short-term rentals where they rent the", "start": 2705.599, "end": 2711.559}, {"text": "entire house that is very different than what I'm hearing is happening with this", "start": 2711.559, "end": 2718.48}, {"text": "family and their home so I think is that a bed and breakfast business or is it a", "start": 2718.48, "end": 2724.64}, {"text": "short-term rental and I think that's the clarification that I'm having and struggling with thank you thank you", "start": 2724.64, "end": 2732.52}, {"text": "ma'am Jeremy P section I also have one of these Str strs right down the road", "start": 2734.64, "end": 2739.72}, {"text": "from me next to that big ass house next to me who's going to enforce any code", "start": 2739.72, "end": 2744.88}, {"text": "he's not they're not back there no one's going to enforce no code around here maybe if you leave your trash can out in", "start": 2744.88, "end": 2751.24}, {"text": "front they they'll give you a ticket for that paint your house the wrong color they'll give you a ticket for that", "start": 2751.24, "end": 2757.839}, {"text": "but y'all aren't going to enforce no building code y'all aren't going to enforce this Str Str y'all are wasting everyone's time y'all are wasting your", "start": 2757.839, "end": 2764.72}, {"text": "time cuz I have been coming here for two years for the same damn problem y'all aren't enforcing no codes around", "start": 2764.72, "end": 2772.04}, {"text": "here you had an email this morning from me you've been attached to the emails I", "start": 2772.04, "end": 2777.119}, {"text": "expect more actions from you you've been to my shop you and I have talked I want to start seeing actions right I asked", "start": 2777.119, "end": 2784.04}, {"text": "that when you came on now start producing thank you Mr", "start": 2784.04, "end": 2790.119}, {"text": "Davis Eric Jus C-section uh Mr Mayor um", "start": 2791.64, "end": 2797}, {"text": "first thing I want to address is the age uh limit I think uh 0 to three is okay", "start": 2797, "end": 2804.16}, {"text": "I'm pretty good with that and I'm going to move on Mr gambaro um I've worked on", "start": 2804.16, "end": 2810.599}, {"text": "this for seven months with the canal Community Coalition and the city council uh we've been around the block on the", "start": 2810.599, "end": 2817.44}, {"text": "maximum number of people most of the residential homes in my neighborhood", "start": 2817.44, "end": 2822.76}, {"text": "anyway in the C-section are two three and four bedroom homes they're not going to accommodate more than 10 people we we", "start": 2822.76, "end": 2830.28}, {"text": "came up with the number of 10 because of the problems with parking the problems with the noise and also the problems", "start": 2830.28, "end": 2837.24}, {"text": "with our infrastructure uh we know we can't flush our toilets when it rains okay so we don't need a house full of", "start": 2837.24, "end": 2843.4}, {"text": "people flushing toilets right so it's got to stay a t 10 Mr Stewart I", "start": 2843.4, "end": 2851.04}, {"text": "can tell that uh you've had some lobbyists approach you that were business owners I've been a business", "start": 2851.04, "end": 2856.28}, {"text": "owner all my life I've lived with a lot of rules I've sir hold on a second uh", "start": 2856.28, "end": 2862.4}, {"text": "with a Galler please hold it down um I have a hearing problem so many other people up here have a hear hearing", "start": 2862.4, "end": 2868}, {"text": "problem continue sir okay I'm not trying to beat you up but I do see that uh you", "start": 2868, "end": 2873.079}, {"text": "have been lobbied by business owners crying the Blues well we just had two", "start": 2873.079, "end": 2878.28}, {"text": "business owners up here telling us that their customers are asking them to get out of the house when they rent the", "start": 2878.28, "end": 2884.359}, {"text": "house if they get asked enough they're ultimately they're going to do it and that's going to make for more problems", "start": 2884.359, "end": 2891.319}, {"text": "so I think things should stay the way they are as far as the ordinance I'm okay with the uh age of the children um", "start": 2891.319, "end": 2898.64}, {"text": "I'm not okay with going over 10 people and I don't care about other business owners so thank you thank you sir", "start": 2898.64, "end": 2907.96}, {"text": "Hi D Alexander c section and again I want to thank everybody for for what you do and you've got a hard job coming up", "start": 2913.04, "end": 2920.839}, {"text": "uh my command is is more of a concern and maybe maybe it has been addressed", "start": 2920.839, "end": 2926.079}, {"text": "and maybe it hasn't but if there's a limit of of 10 people in in the home is", "start": 2926.079, "end": 2932.48}, {"text": "that 10 people on the property CU what we're saying sometimes as these giant motor homes show up so do are people", "start": 2932.48, "end": 2940.64}, {"text": "going to be able to think well we've only got 10 in the house and then there's people in the motor home um", "start": 2940.64, "end": 2947.4}, {"text": "maybe that's maybe that's been addressed or maybe somebody's thought about that but if they haven't that that could be a", "start": 2947.4, "end": 2953.319}, {"text": "problem and another concern is like I I don't have a motor home by the way so it's not a problem but I know that if I", "start": 2953.319, "end": 2960.16}, {"text": "did have one it's my understanding I would be limited to how many days a month I could", "start": 2960.16, "end": 2966.4}, {"text": "have that on the property uh so I'm wondering if these if these short-term rentals you know say", "start": 2966.4, "end": 2973}, {"text": "somebody comes in brings one they park it there they leave in three days and another one comes in it's it's kind of", "start": 2973, "end": 2979.92}, {"text": "like not fair for what people don't want to look at the boats and the motor homes that if these people are going to", "start": 2979.92, "end": 2986.92}, {"text": "get an exemption because they're only going to be there for a day or two or 3 days it's just a it was just a thought", 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that over 10 people in a", "start": 3039.319, "end": 3044.559}, {"text": "single family home is a bit much um so I mean because a lot of people don't", "start": 3044.559, "end": 3050.68}, {"text": "realize that when you have these short-term rentals it's not like once a year it's not like you know you have", "start": 3050.68, "end": 3057.48}, {"text": "your family reunion a lot of family comes you have onee party this is every", "start": 3057.48, "end": 3062.88}, {"text": "weekend or every week where you have a ton of people and we have to take that into", "start": 3062.88, "end": 3068.24}, {"text": "consideration plus the even though I appreciate your", "start": 3068.24, "end": 3073.359}, {"text": "Amendment owners aren't really going to stay in their house for for to say", "start": 3073.359, "end": 3078.559}, {"text": "they're going to stay in the house unless they're just renting one room to a short term if they're rent to a family", "start": 3078.559, "end": 3084.599}, {"text": "they're going to leave and that's just the truth of it and so I don't see I", "start": 3084.599, "end": 3090.44}, {"text": "mean if a house is homesteaded how can that be a business so I don't think that", "start": 3090.44, "end": 3096.16}, {"text": "that should be some kind of exemption like if you're going to rent as a short-term rental then I think you're", "start": 3096.16, "end": 3102.92}, {"text": "considered a business you shouldn't get a homestead exemption and that's just my opinion thank you", "start": 3102.92, "end": 3109.64}, {"text": "ma'am any further public comments good evening Mr Mayor", "start": 3109.64, "end": 3117.4}, {"text": "good evening city council Janowski from the C-section we visited and re Revisited this thing since July and", "start": 3117.4, "end": 3125.64}, {"text": "there's always a 11th Hour addendum or", "start": 3125.64, "end": 3130.839}, {"text": "recommendation and I really felt that we should have been passes by now but I'll", "start": 3130.839, "end": 3135.88}, {"text": "reiterate 10 people there's a lot of people to have next door to you if you", "start": 3135.88, "end": 3141.119}, {"text": "have one on each side of you you've got 20 people and they're all using the pool they're using the yard", "start": 3141.119, "end": 3147.359}, {"text": "not only is it their own noise and their voices carry and the kids carry uh you", "start": 3147.359, "end": 3153.319}, {"text": "know their voices carry when they come in at night and they start opening closing their doors to get their", "start": 3153.319, "end": 3159.28}, {"text": "suitcases out it may be 10:1 may be midnight they leave in the morning to beat the traffic it might be 5:00 in the", "start": 3159.28, "end": 3165.48}, {"text": "morning all of a sudden you hear the doors opening closing people talking get in the car blah blah you know it's it's", "start": 3165.48, "end": 3170.72}, {"text": "constant if this happened once or twice a year so be it you know my neighbors have birthday parties once or twice a", "start": 3170.72, "end": 3177.079}, {"text": "year it doesn't bother me at all but for some reason it's just just so much worse knowing that you'll never see these", "start": 3177.079, "end": 3183.2}, {"text": "people again they have nothing to do with us our neighborhood there and the owners typically set up a business in", "start": 3183.2, "end": 3190.24}, {"text": "our residential neighborhood that I think is just ridiculous you know um recently I looked at one near me and", "start": 3190.24, "end": 3196.799}, {"text": "they're a two-bedroom home no pool they're getting $7500 a", "start": 3196.799, "end": 3203.079}, {"text": "month that's what they're advertising through Airbnb and we're afraid to charge them anything", "start": 3203.079, "end": 3209.079}, {"text": "we're afraid to make any regulations I think 10 is very generous and I wish you", "start": 3209.079, "end": 3214.28}, {"text": "would just dropped that and I really believe that the one that the uh one-year-old and under is what we agreed", "start": 3214.28, "end": 3220}, {"text": "to before and we should stick with that but I do thank you for your consideration I thank you for all of your time and your efforts it's has been", "start": 3220, "end": 3227.079}, {"text": "very difficult and we just would like to get this settled so that we can have a normal life again you know I said it", "start": 3227.079, "end": 3233.2}, {"text": "once before home may very well be the most important word in the English language everything", "start": 3233.2, "end": 3238.559}, {"text": "starts and ends in your home when you're away you're away on business you're away on vacation last day vacation you can't", "start": 3238.559, "end": 3245.2}, {"text": "wait to get home so we want to go home enjoy our time with our families enjoy", "start": 3245.2, "end": 3250.28}, {"text": "our quietude our um yards and without being bothered with people that don't", "start": 3250.28, "end": 3256.72}, {"text": "care about us people that we'll never have relationships with you know the owner operators I know they have", "start": 3256.72, "end": 3262.119}, {"text": "relationships with their with their neighbors CU they're there but um we we", "start": 3262.119, "end": 3268}, {"text": "will never see that with the people that are absentee owners and it's too bad that the State of Florida is allowing it", "start": 3268, "end": 3274.04}, {"text": "and I think we even need to go further with our state senate to to reiterate", "start": 3274.04, "end": 3279.4}, {"text": "the importance of having a residential neighborhood and have residences in the", "start": 3279.4, "end": 3285}, {"text": "neighborhood not necessarily uh businesses that disrupt the neighborhood thank", "start": 3285, "end": 3291.68}, {"text": "you any further public", "start": 3294.359, "end": 3298.318}, {"text": "comments good evening mayor and councel uh my name is Russ Bly again C-section", "start": 3301.68, "end": 3307.2}, {"text": "one thing uh that I've not heard has been addressed it may have been but one of the big issues with that's related to", "start": 3307.2, "end": 3314.599}, {"text": "the number of people is the parking uh if you regulate the parking you're sort", "start": 3314.599, "end": 3319.799}, {"text": "of regulating the number of people in the residence it's a residential area", "start": 3319.799, "end": 3324.88}, {"text": "four four cars can fit in most of the driveways fairly easily but when you", "start": 3324.88, "end": 3331.039}, {"text": "have many more than that they're parking in the swells they're parking all over the place and I I haven't heard any", "start": 3331.039, "end": 3336.599}, {"text": "mention of regulating the number of Motor Vehicles that are parked at these places and that perhaps should be part", "start": 3336.599, "end": 3343.799}, {"text": "of this ordinance thank you thank you sir but it but it is part of the ordinance we are we are it's okay it's", "start": 3343.799, "end": 3350.88}, {"text": "in the ordinance all right thank you any further public comments", "start": 3350.88, "end": 3357.16}, {"text": "uh seeing no further public comments we'll come back to the Das does anyone have anything to add I I'd like I'd", "start": 3357.16, "end": 3365}, {"text": "likee point of clarification here everything we've gone pretty far a field", "start": 3365, "end": 3370.2}, {"text": "here everything that you folks are talking about is in the ordinance everything including motor", "start": 3370.2, "end": 3377.119}, {"text": "homes parking within the driveway safety features everything is there the only", "start": 3377.119, "end": 3382.92}, {"text": "thing we're quibbling about is two people and reason why we're quibbling about two people is because in the", "start": 3382.92, "end": 3390.119}, {"text": "ordinance itself it defines the maximum number of people per room so logic", "start": 3390.119, "end": 3397.48}, {"text": "carries forth if you have six rooms according to the according to the ordinance you can have 12 people that's", "start": 3397.48, "end": 3404.839}, {"text": "the that's the only thing we're quibbling about safety parking you have to park with in the driveway you can't", "start": 3404.839, "end": 3410.839}, {"text": "bring motor homes you have noise ordinances you have guards ordinance it's a well-written ordinance and as as", "start": 3410.839, "end": 3418.48}, {"text": "Mr Gambar brought up the only thing we're quibbling about is two people because that's what's defined in the", "start": 3418.48, "end": 3426.599}, {"text": "ordinance any further comment from Council Members sir please um so council do we", "start": 3426.599, "end": 3434.68}, {"text": "I'm sorry Ty you got anything to yeah I just wanted to mention I it's it's tough I understand that that we do have um you", "start": 3434.68, "end": 3441.599}, {"text": "know good airnb operators that abide by the rules um but there has to be a line somewhere that's drawn and wherever that", "start": 3441.599, "end": 3447.64}, {"text": "line is drawn someone will have a problem with that um I'm afraid of the slippery slope of adding more and then", "start": 3447.64, "end": 3454.48}, {"text": "it becomes a problem later that doesn't address the problems that we're trying to get fixed right now um in terms of", "start": 3454.48, "end": 3460.24}, {"text": "the age limitations I'd be open to that I'd just have a you know a question for the City attorney whether that constitutes a major change and would", "start": 3460.24, "end": 3466.76}, {"text": "require two more readings as well we've already discussed that so uh if you're", "start": 3466.76, "end": 3472.44}, {"text": "that specific just changing it from uh 1 to three I would not uh Define that as a", "start": 3472.44, "end": 3478.68}, {"text": "major change it would not need two reads of the ordinance uh it's not a controversial issue whereas here this is", "start": 3478.68, "end": 3485.839}, {"text": "a major change and would deem qu uh controversial so we need to do the notice", "start": 3485.839, "end": 3490.92}, {"text": "requirements councilman gamb you got anything further no I you know I I agree with 99%", "start": 3490.92, "end": 3498.319}, {"text": "of the ordinance right I don't want these issues across the street either but what I'm trying to do is strike a", "start": 3498.319, "end": 3503.72}, {"text": "balance with with the business community and so so", "start": 3503.72, "end": 3508.839}, {"text": "um and and with folks that have been operating in good faith for almost 10 years and so u m Mr Mayor so let's let's", "start": 3509.92, "end": 3518.88}, {"text": "do this clean my recommendation I'd like an upper down vote on my Amendment and then we'll move on to whatever else you", "start": 3518.88, "end": 3524.24}, {"text": "want to do yes sir I appreciate that um vice mayor you have anything further okay I I'll do my little my little", "start": 3524.24, "end": 3531.079}, {"text": "comment here um regarding parking um it is in the", "start": 3531.079, "end": 3537.4}, {"text": "ordinance as far as um how many cars are can fit in the driveway that's that's", "start": 3537.4, "end": 3542.64}, {"text": "all very specific it's specific on uh trailers and RVs for loading and", "start": 3542.64, "end": 3549.16}, {"text": "unloading only those that's our easy one one of my points I'd like to make is 18", "start": 3549.16, "end": 3555.559}, {"text": "people you have 18 people in a house say everybody converges on one house for a", "start": 3555.559, "end": 3561.24}, {"text": "weekend 18 people what if they have 18 cars that's my problem motor home I", "start": 3561.24, "end": 3566.64}, {"text": "already covered and grandfathering in I don't think I don't think in this case we should be grandfathering in any", "start": 3566.64, "end": 3572.64}, {"text": "houses within the community um so that's so uh Council so we uh can you read the", 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on I would like I would like to amend the", "start": 3625.24, "end": 3631.92}, {"text": "main the main motion to um change the age of children from zero to three so", "start": 3631.92, "end": 3639.319}, {"text": "that's infants and toddlers as being an exception to the rule Mr Mayor so uh are", "start": 3639.319, "end": 3644.599}, {"text": "you making the motion or are you asking oh I'm sorry can I'm not supposed to do that unless I hand over to gaville can I", "start": 3644.599, "end": 3649.72}, {"text": "get a motion for that please will someone be willing to I don't think you can ask for a motion on just point of", "start": 3649.72, "end": 3656.839}, {"text": "order but I am happy to make a motion to accept the ordinance um as is with an", "start": 3656.839, "end": 3662.76}, {"text": "amendment to specifically section 1771 maximum occupancy uh where it", "start": 3662.76, "end": 3669.48}, {"text": "states maximum maximum occupancy does not apply to transient occupants that are one year of age I'm sorry um zero", "start": 3669.48, "end": 3676.68}, {"text": "years of age to three years of age or younger or it can it can be three years of age or younger however Council thinks", "start": 3676.68, "end": 3683.2}, {"text": "it's 0 to three years old Z to Z to three uh can I get a second for that", "start": 3683.2, "end": 3688.4}, {"text": "motion I'll second okay um for discussion amongst the council anyone", "start": 3688.4, "end": 3694.799}, {"text": "have any discussion we'll open that this item uh this specific Amendment up to", "start": 3694.799, "end": 3700}, {"text": "open to public comment so anyone that wishes to address this amendment please come", "start": 3700, "end": 3706.4}, {"text": "forward see no one last chance going", "start": 3706.4, "end": 3713.359}, {"text": "once okay we'll we'll yes ma'am", "start": 3713.359, "end": 3717.838}, {"text": "uh May and counil it is Quinn cresy again um I can see you guys all leaning", "start": 3720.039, "end": 3725.68}, {"text": "towards this 0 to3 and I'm just going to put my case forward again um so it's not", "start": 3725.68, "end": 3733.16}, {"text": "again about the children and as a mother and a grandmother myself I really do", "start": 3733.16, "end": 3739.319}, {"text": "understand the need to accommodate little ones however if we have a family", "start": 3739.319, "end": 3747.079}, {"text": "reunion um you know we have the grandparents and then we have three", "start": 3747.079, "end": 3752.359}, {"text": "couples okay now that puts us at eight people plus all the children it the the", "start": 3752.359, "end": 3760.64}, {"text": "expansion of the age group not counting those little ones creates more adults", "start": 3760.64, "end": 3767.52}, {"text": "creates possibility for more adults and more people so it's not so once we start", "start": 3767.52, "end": 3773.76}, {"text": "um Counting the little children then it limits the adults too so that's my", "start": 3773.76, "end": 3778.799}, {"text": "argument and um I think that if there's a family of six and then they have", "start": 3778.799, "end": 3784.559}, {"text": "little ones that come they fill up till 10: I think that's quite enough to have", "start": 3784.559, "end": 3790.039}, {"text": "six adults and a bunch of little ones including those ones so um that's my argument thank you thank you ma'am any", "start": 3790.039, "end": 3797.44}, {"text": "more public comments concerning the amendment to the ordinance seeing no one come forward", "start": 3797.44, "end": 3803.119}, {"text": "we'll close public comments back to the dis uh I think I think we have been well", "start": 3803.119, "end": 3808.72}, {"text": "I'm sorry anyone else before I go this was my Mo well kind of what I wanted but", "start": 3808.72, "end": 3814.76}, {"text": "um I'll make my comments we have we have we have this is only the second time", "start": 3814.76, "end": 3821.2}, {"text": "that most of this Council has seen this ordinance um so we're doing we're doing the best we can and I think we have been", "start": 3821.2, "end": 3828.319}, {"text": "very reasonable and um I once you start making all those ex", "start": 3828.319, "end": 3835.119}, {"text": "exceptions to rules it just gets worse and U I've had people um that talk to me", "start": 3835.119, "end": 3840.76}, {"text": "about this they openly admitted that they were uh violating the rules as far as parking Trail trailers in the yard", "start": 3840.76, "end": 3847.119}, {"text": "like that so if you give a little people take a little if you give a lot people take a lot so uh with that um I'm sorry", "start": 3847.119, "end": 3854.839}, {"text": "go ahead Council gambo well I mean just I'm looking at all this and you know isn't this another", "start": 3854.839, "end": 3861.72}, {"text": "exception to the rule well this and isn't it better just to pass it clean the way we had it given that we've had", "start": 3861.72, "end": 3867.4}, {"text": "all this debate now I personally don't think so anyone I I I think we're being more than", "start": 3867.4, "end": 3873.72}, {"text": "reasonable on this one and um this this could come back to the city council for", "start": 3873.72, "end": 3878.839}, {"text": "amendment in the future but we have to do something because these people in the C-section their lives are being altered", "start": 3878.839, "end": 3885.799}, {"text": "U you completely you know unacceptable and and I may be the exception to the", "start": 3885.799, "end": 3891.44}, {"text": "rules sitting on the city council because I've had an Airbnb go in behind my residents and and it was very", "start": 3891.44, "end": 3899.079}, {"text": "uncomfortable and because I had a c a sheriff's department twice in one weekend over some people and um I think", "start": 3899.079, "end": 3906.24}, {"text": "we're being more than reasonable I I I truly do so uh if there's no other", "start": 3906.24, "end": 3911.44}, {"text": "comments just really quickly I agree with you mayor that I think we need to go ahead and get this passed I I do think um there are things on both sides", "start": 3911.44, "end": 3918.839}, {"text": "that people would still like to see worked on so I think I'm open to that um", "start": 3918.839, "end": 3924.2}, {"text": "I know I've spoken to um Mr Mrs Davidson about you know some type of process", "start": 3924.2, "end": 3931.4}, {"text": "where they get a permit for certain weeks like a bike week where we know we have a lot of people coming to the community and quite candidly spend a lot", "start": 3931.4, "end": 3937.599}, {"text": "of money in our community so there might be um you know further things that can be looked at and explored from a permit", "start": 3937.599, "end": 3944.96}, {"text": "perspective um you know to to to keep those tourism dollars coming in but as", "start": 3944.96, "end": 3950.799}, {"text": "it stands I do think that we need to go ahead and move forward with passing this and and I want to thank you all because I know know you came on um kind of late", "start": 3950.799, "end": 3957.319}, {"text": "and you've you've really grabbed this by the horns and and worked with us to get this pass so I do commend you for that", "start": 3957.319, "end": 3962.64}, {"text": "and I look forward to getting this done tonight thank you vice mayor um violations it's in the ordinance and and", "start": 3962.64, "end": 3968.44}, {"text": "we're going to police it and uh there's more to come on that just let me say", "start": 3968.44, "end": 3973.76}, {"text": "that um so if you can uh council could you read the amendment as as stated so", "start": 3973.76, "end": 3980.16}, {"text": "we can vote on that please amending uh the ordinance for", "start": 3980.16, "end": 3985.559}, {"text": "Ching the exception for children ages from 0 to 1 to uh ages uh 0 to3 uh to", "start": 3985.559, "end": 3993.079}, {"text": "not be applied to the maximum capacity so everyone's clear on the on the on the", "start": 3993.079, "end": 3998.64}, {"text": "amendment so so we're voting specifically on the amendment then we're going to come back and vote on the whole ordinance all at once that's included", "start": 3998.64, "end": 4005.72}, {"text": "all at once with the amendment this will be it this we be done with it so miss cook could you please call the the vote", "start": 4005.72, "end": 4012.76}, {"text": "vice mayor pontier yes council member gambaro yes council member Miller yes", "start": 4012.76, "end": 4018.079}, {"text": "council member Stevens yes mayor Norris yes the motion passes unanimously thank", "start": 4018.079, "end": 4025.92}, {"text": "you we will move on to item G ordinance of the first read um council could you", "start": 4028, "end": 4033.72}, {"text": "please read it ordinance uh sorry ordinance 2025 dxx", "start": 4033.72, "end": 4040.319}, {"text": "amending chapter 2 Administration Article 5 uh article four retirement division Vision Two volunteer", "start": 4040.319, "end": 4046.72}, {"text": "firefighter retirement system and trust fund okay uh this uh this first read um", "start": 4046.72, "end": 4052.92}, {"text": "uh Chief Barry Hill is not here if if you don't know we've had we had a a pretty bad accident out on SE seino in", "start": 4052.92, "end": 4059.279}, {"text": "sesame so um um uh the city the city manager is going to to deal with this uh", "start": 4059.279, "end": 4065.359}, {"text": "ordinance go ahead city manager mayor city council the background in your agenda summary States city man let's", "start": 4065.359, "end": 4072.559}, {"text": "pause it for a second let the people that'll leave and leave", "start": 4072.559, "end": 4077.2}, {"text": "sorry really quickly while we're waiting I just also want to thank staff for working on the strr ordinance as well you all have put in a lot of work so", "start": 4087.96, "end": 4094.16}, {"text": "thank you thanks Jason", "start": 4094.16, "end": 4097.798}, {"text": "okay city manager go ahead and continue please thank you mayor and thank you mayor for recognizing one of our volunteers who was injured this evening", "start": 4112.679, "end": 4119.88}, {"text": "um as it regards to the ordinance um there's just a simple housekeeping item", "start": 4119.88, "end": 4125.92}, {"text": "that we agreed through negotiations with the career Union on this plan uh one is", "start": 4125.92, "end": 4131.679}, {"text": "that we've changed the effective date to February 2nd it will not change change any of the financial implications of the", "start": 4131.679, "end": 4138.6}, {"text": "plan um according to our Actuarial results and then the second one was um", "start": 4138.6, "end": 4144.199}, {"text": "the union had requested the ability that there's a one-time um opt out and that", "start": 4144.199, "end": 4149.798}, {"text": "was not included in the original language and it's thus provided in the language in front of you today and", "start": 4149.799, "end": 4155.4}, {"text": "that's um all of the background mayor U thank you ma'am um open the item up for discussion well", "start": 4155.4, "end": 4162.52}, {"text": "do we need a motion to approve Mr Mayor I Mo that we uh approve this", "start": 4162.52, "end": 4169.56}, {"text": "change to the U to the pension I'll second okay we have a", "start": 4169.56, "end": 4175.64}, {"text": "second um we'll open it up for discussion on the dis um we've all we've all read through this and it's just", "start": 4175.64, "end": 4181.4}, {"text": "changing the dates and giving the one time opt in opt out um and chief Barry will um explain it pretty well and I", "start": 4181.4, "end": 4188.238}, {"text": "read through it uh yesterday or today um so I have I have no issues with it anyone have any other discussion Vice", "start": 4188.239, "end": 4195.12}, {"text": "May everything's good okay we'll open this item up for discussion to public", "start": 4195.12, "end": 4203.28}, {"text": "comments see no one come for come", "start": 4203.28, "end": 4209.76}, {"text": "forward I'm I'm uh Richard KET I live in Lehigh Trails so I'm what are you", "start": 4209.76, "end": 4216.08}, {"text": "changing on this amendment are you saying that the volunteer firefighters get a this guy was injured a firefighter", "start": 4216.08, "end": 4222.6}, {"text": "was injured no no sir I was just I was just acknowledging and the reason Chief barill was not here is because we had", "start": 4222.6, "end": 4228.48}, {"text": "someone injured at a at a site that's why he's not that's why he's not presenting the the ordinance okay so", "start": 4228.48, "end": 4235.88}, {"text": "what is this a new ordinance or you guys Chang no no sir it's just it's just uh some language that need to be clarified", "start": 4235.88, "end": 4241.92}, {"text": "and given an an optional one time opt in or opt out right what she was that's all they're doing is what she talked about", "start": 4241.92, "end": 4247.679}, {"text": "those two okay I was just unclear what it was saying so I wasn't sure when I read that that's all I need thank you", "start": 4247.679, "end": 4254.239}, {"text": "good to go thank you sir uh see you no further any further public comments we'll bring it back to the Das uh can we", "start": 4254.239, "end": 4261.96}, {"text": "call the vote please Miss Cook vice mayor pontieri yes council", "start": 4261.96, "end": 4269.48}, {"text": "member gambaro yes council member Miller yes council member Stevens yes mayor Norris yes the motion passes unanimously", "start": 4269.48, "end": 4276.76}, {"text": "thank you ma'am uh we move on to item H resolutions um go ahead Council", "start": 4276.76, "end": 4283.48}, {"text": "resolution 2025 XX short-term rental fee", "start": 4283.48, "end": 4289.32}, {"text": "structure and the chief of staff will be giving us a presentation on this", "start": 4289.4, "end": 4294.88}, {"text": "one good evening mayor city council Jason D Lorenzo Chief of Staff uh no sir there's no uh presentation with it it is", "start": 4299.92, "end": 4309.04}, {"text": "um from past discussions about short-term rentals we understood it was City council's Direct direction to um be", "start": 4309.04, "end": 4317.239}, {"text": "cost recovery on this we estimate the cost to be 100 approximately $120,000", "start": 4317.239, "end": 4323.719}, {"text": "we'll evaluate that after our first year and see if that is accurate you'll", "start": 4323.719, "end": 4328.88}, {"text": "remember city council last year authorized an additional um officer code", "start": 4328.88, "end": 4335.639}, {"text": "enforcement officer uh we will not have a single enforcement person will work uh", "start": 4335.639, "end": 4340.719}, {"text": "in our zones like we normally do to be more responsive the Fe structure is on", "start": 4340.719, "end": 4346.32}, {"text": "page 50 of your packet it is um $375 for an annual registration plus a", 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just have a few questions Jason um the registration fee it says annual", "start": 4405.8, "end": 4412.52}, {"text": "but so that means every single year the same air and Airbnb I shouldn't say that", "start": 4412.52, "end": 4417.76}, {"text": "Str strs would have to pay this fee every year correct that is correct and it's a flat it's a flat flea uh I'm sorry a flat fee and um but it does have", "start": 4417.76, "end": 4426.08}, {"text": "a CPI adjustment annually okay and then the annual inspection why is that parsed", "start": 4426.08, "end": 4431.76}, {"text": "out why isn't it just 450 which will include an annual inspection I just to", "start": 4431.76, "end": 4437.56}, {"text": "you know um help identify the cost right there's going to be uh time associated", "start": 4437.56, "end": 4443.12}, {"text": "with that inspection going uh with the applicant and reviewing going inside the", "start": 4443.12, "end": 4448.239}, {"text": "home and I think it was just a you know a way to manage the time a little bit better okay so what is your um also", "start": 4448.239, "end": 4454.56}, {"text": "because I'm sorry to interrupt if we have to reinspect right then it's broken out I see okay so what is your timeline", "start": 4454.56, "end": 4462.639}, {"text": "is the is the annual registration Fe do upon filing an application yes and then when you all go", "start": 4462.639, "end": 4470.52}, {"text": "out for the inspection that's when the 75 the 75 would be do we'll probably do it at one time well we're going to um", "start": 4470.52, "end": 4476.84}, {"text": "put it into our uh permitting software and it'll you know so we have the record", "start": 4476.84, "end": 4482.08}, {"text": "of it and how are we planning on monitoring these going forward do you mean um publicly or internally", "start": 4482.08, "end": 4489.4}, {"text": "internally internally so we're going to have a master record of them uh it'll", "start": 4489.4, "end": 4494.719}, {"text": "have to to be managed by um someone on staff to make sure it's up to date all the time we're already we're currently", "start": 4494.719, "end": 4501.84}, {"text": "reviewing them monthly to make sure that we have the the current number and that they're being reported to Flagler County", "start": 4501.84, "end": 4507.8}, {"text": "correctly so we already have a little bit of that going um but we'll have a master list that we're working off of", "start": 4507.8, "end": 4514.88}, {"text": "Are We leveraging any technology that the county might have um the county has the it's my", "start": 4514.88, "end": 4520.84}, {"text": "understanding I'm not too familiar with it but they have the ability for us to cross reference that okay thank", "start": 4520.84, "end": 4527.719}, {"text": "you any further discussion or questions from the Das um I don't know if the rest", "start": 4527.719, "end": 4533.32}, {"text": "of the council received this email today but I had someone email me that that knew that we were tackling the St Str", "start": 4533.32, "end": 4540.4}, {"text": "situation in our city and they have uh from their proposal from what they're I", "start": 4540.4, "end": 4546.44}, {"text": "I I'm assuming they're going to try to follow up but it's AI where they they cycle through and they inspect like you", "start": 4546.44, "end": 4553.36}, {"text": "know everything AI is tracking everything to know all the short-term rentals it doesn't matter across which", "start": 4553.36, "end": 4558.56}, {"text": "platform did you guys receive that email okay so someone is leaning forward", "start": 4558.56, "end": 4563.76}, {"text": "saying Palm Coast may need this software uh so we'll just have to look at the and do a cost benefit analysis on that or if", "start": 4563.76, "end": 4570.28}, {"text": "that's something that we're even we'd be even willing to entertain yeah M Mr Mayor we've met with a couple of those", "start": 4570.28, "end": 4576.92}, {"text": "companies I'm not sure I did not receive that same email I don't believe um but I know we've met with a couple of", "start": 4576.92, "end": 4582.08}, {"text": "companies as soon as we started talking about this we started getting you know uh uh", "start": 4582.08, "end": 4588.239}, {"text": "solicitations right yeah and um one the one thing we have not found one that's", "start": 4588.239, "end": 4595.44}, {"text": "able to do yet is break up our ZIP code so um our ZIP code extends outside the", "start": 4595.44, "end": 4603.679}, {"text": "city limits the 32137 ZIP code extends outside the city limits and includes", "start": 4603.679, "end": 4611.12}, {"text": "many short-term rentals that are not located within the city of pump coast and um from who we've discussed so far", "start": 4611.12, "end": 4618.96}, {"text": "they have not been able to break those up um so uh I don't it would seem to me", "start": 4618.96, "end": 4626.28}, {"text": "that it's possible but the power with the power of AI I think anything's possible tell you the honest truth uh so", "start": 4626.28, "end": 4632.6}, {"text": "we'll we'll be moving forward on that but no further discussion on the resolution as read or presented by the", "start": 4632.6, "end": 4639.44}, {"text": "chief of staff Mr Del I'm just foring it to you so at least you'll have the same okay so you you'll see the same we see y", "start": 4639.44, "end": 4645.76}, {"text": "so so um uh any open it up the public comment anyone have any public comment", "start": 4645.76, "end": 4652.639}, {"text": "on this matter yes ma'am hi Denise Henry again P", "start": 4652.639, "end": 4660.44}, {"text": "section um are you considering putting a limit on the amount of certificates or", "start": 4660.44, "end": 4667.239}, {"text": "whatever you want call lodging certificates because that's important", "start": 4667.239, "end": 4672.4}, {"text": "when I did send information to you in a and also letter that in Georgia when my", "start": 4672.4, "end": 4680.239}, {"text": "daughter bought her cabin as a vacation home and then decided to rent it as", "start": 4680.239, "end": 4686.32}, {"text": "Airbnb there was only 400 now three years later there's", "start": 4686.32, "end": 4693.679}, {"text": "2600 so I understand the city would like to make some money but I think you need", "start": 4693.679, "end": 4700.12}, {"text": "to consider putting a limit of the number certificates or whatever you want to", "start": 4700.12, "end": 4705.159}, {"text": "call it um you know out and then if someone does no longer do it there's a", "start": 4705.159, "end": 4712.6}, {"text": "waiting list and then they can go on they do that in um South Carolina so", "start": 4712.6, "end": 4718.159}, {"text": "it's something to consider so that we're not overwhelmed I mean I just took the number he gave divided it by the", "start": 4718.159, "end": 4725.4}, {"text": "450 and there's 273 right now in Palm Coast I didn't", "start": 4725.4, "end": 4731.8}, {"text": "even realize there was that many so I think something the council needs to consider it's it's probably it's", "start": 4731.8, "end": 4738.4}, {"text": "probably a no number to be quite honest um um and I understand I see I understand what", "start": 4738.4, "end": 4745.84}, {"text": "you're saying you're saying put a quot a a maximum number of Str strs within the community that's a very good", "start": 4745.84, "end": 4751.32}, {"text": "consideration thank you ma'am right because then that way when someone does", "start": 4751.32, "end": 4756.679}, {"text": "you know sell and no longer does it it can open up for somebody on a waiting list but you're not just taking them in", "start": 4756.679, "end": 4763.12}, {"text": "they just started taking all these in uh the area in Georgia bluebridge and now there's 2600 over 2600 of them and so", "start": 4763.12, "end": 4771.8}, {"text": "then the people that were actually doing it their income had to drop and you know", "start": 4771.8, "end": 4777.44}, {"text": "so it doesn't work business-wise either but you know just that would really I", "start": 4777.44, "end": 4782.679}, {"text": "think help where I feel badly for the people that have you know three of them down their street so this way if there's", "start": 4782.679, "end": 4790.32}, {"text": "a limit then you know we don't then you know you're just preventing that from", "start": 4790.32, "end": 4797.32}, {"text": "from escalating yes ma'am thank you and can you make a note of that city manager", "start": 4797.32, "end": 4802.679}, {"text": "please yes sir what her concerns actually I think that's a good idea yes Mr stanel yeah Mark stanel Su Woods I", "start": 4802.679, "end": 4809.8}, {"text": "was listening to the to the thing about the $75 being separate you know I just couldn't compute that you know in the", "start": 4809.8, "end": 4816.8}, {"text": "Army we keep things simple you know we streamline things you know if you charge to 450 immediately put on the calendar", "start": 4816.8, "end": 4824.679}, {"text": "for an inspection saves time and trouble you don't have to fool around with anything it just seems uh a little", "start": 4824.679, "end": 4831.76}, {"text": "backwards thank you I don't Mr S I don't think we worked out all the specifics", "start": 4831.76, "end": 4837.08}, {"text": "but that's what we're leaning we're leaning towards thank you sir uh any further public", "start": 4837.08, "end": 4843.92}, {"text": "comments if uh no further P public comments we'll bring it back to the Das uh all we have to do is vote to app", "start": 4843.92, "end": 4850.4}, {"text": "approve the resolution there Council you need a motion oh okay can I get a motion to approve I'll make a motion to approve", "start": 4850.4, "end": 4857.719}, {"text": "second okay we got a second uh Miss Cook could you call the vote", "start": 4857.719, "end": 4863.12}, {"text": "please vice mayor pontier yes council member gambaro yes council member Miller", "start": 4863.12, "end": 4868.679}, {"text": "yes council member Stevens yes mayor Norris yes the motion passes unanimously", "start": 4868.679, "end": 4874.08}, {"text": "mayor if I may uh really quickly um to the permit um limitations is that", "start": 4874.08, "end": 4881.04}, {"text": "preempted by state law yes uh vice mayor so uh the Florida statute does preempt", "start": 4881.04, "end": 4887.44}, {"text": "you can't limit Str rentals at all that it's a it's a topic that's been discussed but yeah unfortunately we", "start": 4887.44, "end": 4893.4}, {"text": "can't touch it talked about that early on yeah well that's the answer to the lady's question we can't limit them all", "start": 4893.4, "end": 4900.36}, {"text": "right we'll move on to where we at we're on uh the next um mayor the", "start": 4900.36, "end": 4909.159}, {"text": "next item is a presentation by uh Miss Virginia Smith on the um Americans for", "start": 4909.159, "end": 4916}, {"text": "Disability Act um it's a great presentation on uh some compliance things that we need to do and um", "start": 4916, "end": 4923.32}, {"text": "accompanying Miss Smith is some other team members who are um all helping the", "start": 4923.32, "end": 4928.719}, {"text": "city to achieve its goal good evening Miss Virginia good evening mayor and", "start": 4928.719, "end": 4934.159}, {"text": "city council it's wonderful to be here this evening if I may take a moment there are a lot of supporters in our", "start": 4934.159, "end": 4939.84}, {"text": "audience this evening if you could just stand and and say hello to the mayor and the C Council that would be wonderful", "start": 4939.84, "end": 4946}, {"text": "they are here to support the city through all their efforts that we've given to um our special needs Community", "start": 4946, "end": 4952.679}, {"text": "thus far and continuing to do so so thank you very much thank you thank you guys for", "start": 4952.679, "end": 4959.48}, {"text": "participating doing this without my glasses so uh we're here this evening to", "start": 4970.44, "end": 4975.88}, {"text": "discuss all things uh Ada and presenting with me this evening", "start": 4975.88, "end": 4981.32}, {"text": "is Zach Bower from it and Carrie Todd from our parks and recck department and", "start": 4981.32, "end": 4986.92}, {"text": "we're going to give you an overview of um everything why is this not", "start": 4986.92, "end": 4996.28}, {"text": "working there we go", "start": 4996.28, "end": 5000.638}, {"text": "I've never had this", "start": 5005.239, "end": 5008.28}, {"text": "problem good thing you have it right next to", "start": 5014.199, "end": 5019.08}, {"text": "you the almighty Guru might need to come up and help", "start": 5024.52, "end": 5029.8}, {"text": "them oh they beat you to it Doug yeah Zach's wonderful he's been a great", "start": 5033.44, "end": 5039.6}, {"text": "partner with this too but it's not switching up okay Doug what", "start": 5039.6, "end": 5046.32}, {"text": "happened now it's working y okay so today we're going to discuss what the", "start": 5055.04, "end": 5060.199}, {"text": "Ada is Department updates who has responsibility when and where does the city need to be compliant how do we", "start": 5060.199, "end": 5067.04}, {"text": "achieve compliance how do we create transition plans the benefits to being compliant exceptions to the Ada", "start": 5067.04, "end": 5074.04}, {"text": "regulations training number of public views that of access to our records as well as options for success but we're", "start": 5074.04, "end": 5081.04}, {"text": "also going to give you a brief introduction into um some of the accomplishments that have been done", "start": 5081.04, "end": 5086.8}, {"text": "throughout the city so what is the Ada on July 26", "start": 5086.8, "end": 5092.679}, {"text": "President George W Bush signed into law the Ada the Americans with Disability", "start": 5092.679, "end": 5097.8}, {"text": "Act which is a comprehensive civil rights law prohibiting the Discrimination on the basis of", "start": 5097.8, "end": 5103.56}, {"text": "disability under this law people with disabilities are entitled to the rights privileges advantages and opportunities", "start": 5103.56, "end": 5110.88}, {"text": "that others have while participating in Civic activities in other terms it's a", "start": 5110.88, "end": 5116.119}, {"text": "law that we all must follow there are five titles in the Ada law the city is", "start": 5116.119, "end": 5121.44}, {"text": "governed under title two but we may also have to compl apply with other titles as well Title One is the issue of", "start": 5121.44, "end": 5128.32}, {"text": "employment title two is public services three public accommodations for stores", "start": 5128.32, "end": 5133.76}, {"text": "and hotels four is telecommunications and five is", "start": 5133.76, "end": 5139.52}, {"text": "miscellaneous so um engineering has provided me with um our most recent", 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"end": 5279.44}, {"text": "department and she'll give you an update on what we provide for programs and services through our parks and", "start": 5279.44, "end": 5285.92}, {"text": "wck thank you for allowing me this opportunity to highlight some of the programs that we offer at Parks and", "start": 5285.92, "end": 5292.32}, {"text": "Recreation currently in the fall of 2022 we began an Autism Spectrum Disorder", "start": 5292.32, "end": 5299.8}, {"text": "social group at the community center this program provides a safe and predictable environment to meet make", "start": 5299.8, "end": 5306.4}, {"text": "friends with others living on the Spectrum or who are differently abled", "start": 5306.4, "end": 5311.92}, {"text": "this program is grown significantly and continues uh as we have over 40 young", "start": 5311.92, "end": 5317.84}, {"text": "adults participating regularly now uh this group meets twice a month", "start": 5317.84, "end": 5323.32}, {"text": "and the participants 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three of them that I wanted to highlight are acceptance accommodation and", "start": 5463.6, "end": 5471.32}, {"text": "Transportation uh with planning we can achieve a higher percentage of participation from the Ada Community for", "start": 5471.32, "end": 5478.76}, {"text": "our activities and events in Parks and Recreation by creating a welcoming", "start": 5478.76, "end": 5484.44}, {"text": "environment for everyone that should be our golden standard planning in advance", "start": 5484.44, "end": 5489.88}, {"text": "for ADA accommodations to ensure smoother participation and with public", "start": 5489.88, "end": 5495.44}, {"text": "transportation we could EMB provide opportunities to even more people on a", "start": 5495.44, "end": 5500.639}, {"text": "consistent basis I'll now turn this over to Zach", "start": 5500.639, "end": 5505.8}, {"text": "from it to give the information technology update hello mayor and city council Zack", "start": 5505.8, "end": 5512.639}, {"text": "Bower it senior programmer I'm just going to touch base um briefly on the work and efforts being done um on the", "start": 5512.639, "end": 5519.04}, {"text": "city website future mobile app and documents related to ADA compliance um not only just because we it's a federal", "start": 5519.04, "end": 5525.679}, {"text": "requirement but because um we believe it should be at the Forefront of anything that we program and develop it uh so to", "start": 5525.679, "end": 5532.8}, {"text": "get started um we currently develop and maintain two public facing websites in house uh that need to meet ADA", "start": 5532.8, "end": 5539.84}, {"text": "compliance uh one being pal co.gov and then the other one being Economic Development website select pom coast.com", "start": 5539.84, "end": 5547.32}, {"text": "even um before the Mandate uh we would um have to work hard to follow best", "start": 5547.32, "end": 5554.719}, {"text": "practices to make sure our website um access is accessible for those with 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Instagram and Facebook so they've already done doing that as well yep and we've also started", "start": 5600.56, "end": 5606.76}, {"text": "reaching out to um these vendors um in it um to see as because each um public", "start": 5606.76, "end": 5613.639}, {"text": "facing website also has to be ADA Compliant so we've um already started that process and and going well for", "start": 5613.639, "end": 5621.6}, {"text": "that and I've also um worked with our City attorney to Pro get from our thirdparty vendors a certificate of", "start": 5621.6, "end": 5628.84}, {"text": "compliance as well as a hold harmless agreement that we are going to be sending to all vendors", "start": 5628.84, "end": 5635.719}, {"text": "and then as you um all may know we're in the process of developing a mobile app for the city um during that development", "start": 5638.159, "end": 5644.159}, {"text": "process we're going to be ensuring that all Ada principles will be applied before releasing and as well as any", 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the Departments uh are aware of this and it is supplying", "start": 5686.199, "end": 5692.36}, {"text": "each department with a list of their documents that are currently on the website last year uh it purchased a ada8", "start": 5692.36, "end": 5700.4}, {"text": "auditing software uh that will provide us constant reports and audits uh for", "start": 5700.4, "end": 5705.76}, {"text": "our websites this will help us continually Monitor and ensure our websites are compliant to wayag 2.2 we", "start": 5705.76, "end": 5712.239}, {"text": "have uh been running scans on our uh two sites for several months and the tool has only identified three uh pages of", "start": 5712.239, "end": 5719.36}, {"text": "having medium to high priority to fix uh which we believe is a positive reflection on our commitment to best", "start": 5719.36, "end": 5726.36}, {"text": "practices on top of that we've also recently embedded a Ada accessibility budget to our sites um that provide", "start": 5726.36, "end": 5733.44}, {"text": "various tools to help individuals with accessibility needs so transfer it back to Virginia thank you so the city as I", "start": 5733.44, "end": 5741.08}, {"text": "said earlier falls under title two which applies to all programs Services um and", "start": 5741.08, "end": 5746.36}, {"text": "activities that the City offers and provides and the city does have the obligation to make sure those City", "start": 5746.36, "end": 5752.6}, {"text": "contracts are third party vendors do not discriminate against those with disabilities so title two applies to all", "start": 5752.6, "end": 5759.199}, {"text": "state and local governments all departments agencies special purpose districts and other instrumentalities of", "start": 5759.199, "end": 5765.28}, {"text": "state and local government in other words public entities it applies to all programs services and activities of all", "start": 5765.28, "end": 5772.44}, {"text": "public entities from adoption services to zoning regulations", "start": 5772.44, "end": 5778.52}, {"text": "so title 2 um also states that the contract with other entities that provide these Public Services have the", "start": 5778.52, "end": 5785.639}, {"text": "obligation to ensure that their contractors do not discriminate against people with disabilities and I know some", "start": 5785.639, "end": 5791.679}, {"text": "of it is repetitive and I apologize it's that's how the the best way to describe everything for you so there's five", "start": 5791.679, "end": 5799.719}, {"text": "Administration administrative requirements under title two uh that is to have the city designate a responsible", "start": 5799.719, "end": 5805.88}, {"text": "employee as the Ada coordinator and currently I take on that responsibility as well to have a grievance policy um", "start": 5805.88, "end": 5813.92}, {"text": "published on our website have the notice to our public which we do as well for both of those and conduct evaluations", "start": 5813.92, "end": 5821.199}, {"text": "every three years so we're going to be taking it one step further um and not doing it just for our uh infrastructure", "start": 5821.199, "end": 5830}, {"text": "and our buildings to do that self- evaluation but we're also going to be including it into be our website", "start": 5830, "end": 5836.159}, {"text": "compliance as well uh and develop all those transition plans and those transition plans will be posted on the", "start": 5836.159, "end": 5842}, {"text": "City website so where does the city need to be compliant as I said websites social", "start": 5842, "end": 5848.84}, {"text": "media platforms Parks facilities building code meetings events employment records permitting streets and sidewalks", "start": 5848.84, "end": 5856.36}, {"text": "including our multi- youth paths identify what areas are in need of upgrading for the assistance and that we", "start": 5856.36, "end": 5862.599}, {"text": "will do under our uh three-year evaluations and when do we need to be", "start": 5862.599, "end": 5867.76}, {"text": "compliant by as soon as possible but the federal government mandate is April 202", "start": 5867.76, "end": 5874.239}, {"text": "for the city's website so we need to make sure everything that is public facing is ADA Compliant on our City's", "start": 5874.239, "end": 5881.4}, {"text": "webites where what percentage would you say we're at right now right now so the", "start": 5881.4, "end": 5887.04}, {"text": "the industry average is about 80% um I think we're about that about 70 to 80%", "start": 5887.04, "end": 5892.52}, {"text": "right now thank you but that's across that's um strictly just our sites um we", "start": 5892.52, "end": 5897.56}, {"text": "also have to make sure that like different third party websites are also compliant um and there's also documents", "start": 5897.56, "end": 5903.159}, {"text": "that um or on the website that would also have to be compliant itself so for the past at least five or six years the", "start": 5903.159, "end": 5909.239}, {"text": "city clerk's office has been publishing the agenda and the minutes in an ADA", "start": 5909.239, "end": 5914.32}, {"text": "format so that is it is readable for those that need the", "start": 5914.32, "end": 5919.88}, {"text": "assistance so how do we achieve compliance we will Implement transition plans that include dollars in the budget", "start": 5920.8, "end": 5928.52}, {"text": "identify the current issues and problems timeline for each issue of when it will be completed completed conduct Audits", "start": 5928.52, "end": 5934.88}, {"text": "and the self- evaluation Citywide every 3 years and then we will also create that transition plan for each department", "start": 5934.88, "end": 5941.119}, {"text": "to make sure that we're all compliant so the benefits to compliance", "start": 5941.119, "end": 5946.92}, {"text": "um I have them listed out but I want to point out one thing is when you get a", "start": 5946.92, "end": 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sorry any I'm sorry public comment concerning this uh", "start": 6863.84, "end": 6871.079}, {"text": "presentation Miss Johnson Les yes hi I'm lesie Johnson P section great", "start": 6871.079, "end": 6879.679}, {"text": "presentation Miss Virginia you did a wonderful wonderful job I would just simply recommend and I'm so grateful", "start": 6879.679, "end": 6887.36}, {"text": "that you recognize our large de Community um I married a man who was a", "start": 6887.36, "end": 6893.8}, {"text": "quadriplegic and uh our best friend was as he put it blind in one eye and he couldn't see out of the other and here I", "start": 6893.8, "end": 6901.599}, {"text": "am uh profoundly deaf and so I am really grateful that you are putting this", "start": 6901.599, "end": 6908.84}, {"text": "together I am more than grateful that you're acknowledging our uh disabled or", "start": 6908.84, "end": 6914.079}, {"text": "actually what I call handic capable uh Community um I would just recommend one", 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helpful but people don't know so if there could be a way to get that", "start": 6963.44, "end": 6969.28}, {"text": "information more out there for people I would simply just recommend that", "start": 6969.28, "end": 6974.44}, {"text": "otherwise great awesome presentation thank you so much for taking care of our", "start": 6974.44, "end": 6979.76}, {"text": "handic capables thank you and thank you for letting me speak again thank you", "start": 6979.76, "end": 6984.92}, {"text": "ma'am any further public comment okay see no further public", "start": 6984.92, "end": 6990.88}, {"text": "comments we'll move on to item six I'm sorry mayor just have one more question I'm so sorry um have we looked into", "start": 6990.88, "end": 6997.719}, {"text": "grants for um furthering this funding fing we H we have explored um it's", "start": 6997.719, "end": 7005.44}, {"text": "nothing set in stone yet um of course everybody is out there for the same reason especially right now with that", "start": 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information as well I think too maybe some of the local churches I", "start": 7048.4, "end": 7054.88}, {"text": "know like there's a signer at every single mass that I go to so that might be a resource to maybe look into as well", "start": 7054.88, "end": 7061.679}, {"text": "great thank you okay thank you ma'am um anything else vice mayor no", "start": 7061.679, "end": 7068.719}, {"text": "sorry thank you mayor and city council okay thank you Virginia", "start": 7068.719, "end": 7074.119}, {"text": "we'll move to item uh six Council please resolution 2025 XX", "start": 7076.36, "end": 7083.48}, {"text": "repeal and replace Housing and Urban Development Section 504", "start": 7083.48, "end": 7089.159}, {"text": "policy thank you everyone for coming out we really appreciate your support I saw a UCF hat go", "start": 7089.159, "end": 7096.36}, {"text": "nights open okay good evening Council I'm Jacqueline Gonzalez with the community development site development", "start": 7097.44, "end": 7103.36}, {"text": "coordinator I'm here to discuss with you our ADA compliance code policy 504 for", "start": 7103.36, "end": 7108.52}, {"text": "housing I'm piggy backing off of Virginia today because I've already started working on our ADA compliance", "start": 7108.52, "end": 7114.199}, {"text": "for our housing policy so we needed to do some updates to that policy in accordance with our funding for", "start": 7114.199, "end": 7120.84}, {"text": "HUD um being a part of Hud Urban Development Section 504 is the", "start": 7120.84, "end": 7126.199}, {"text": "Rehabilitation Act from 1973 which enables us as a participating", "start": 7126.199, "end": 7131.36}, {"text": "jurisdiction diction entitlement that means that we would have to have this section as a part of", "start": 7131.36, "end": 7138.239}, {"text": "our housing policy regulating non-discriminatory basis for", "start": 7138.239, "end": 7143.48}, {"text": "Disabilities basically Section 504 stipulates no qualified 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"end": 7193.8}, {"text": "um reviews regulation including policy definitions in Chapter 2 we did some", "start": 7193.8, "end": 7200}, {"text": "communication providing the types of devices and use of AIDs that would be accessible to people who have", "start": 7200, "end": 7206.159}, {"text": "disabilities who want to participate in our program employment discussion about not prohib um prohibiting or reasonable", "start": 7206.159, "end": 7213.96}, {"text": "combinations for people are working with the city of Palm Coast who participate with our housing program um program", "start": 7213.96, "end": 7221}, {"text": "accessibility is we touched in chapter 4 giving guidelines and including", "start": 7221, "end": 7226.44}, {"text": "participants and Facilities that are accessible with people with disabilities as well as enforcing um", "start": 7226.44, "end": 7233.719}, {"text": "reviewing and administrating compliance issues and maintaining the city policy also that something I had to do in", "start": 7233.719, "end": 7240}, {"text": "chapter six was update the grievance procedures and put resolution and details for filing complaints and", "start": 7240, "end": 7246.76}, {"text": "processing complaints with the city under our housing Administration program", "start": 7246.76, "end": 7252.599}, {"text": "Miss Virginia Smith talked about the self- evaluation and transition plans I've already done that it was included", "start": 7252.599, "end": 7257.92}, {"text": "as a part of your package for the cdbg program and those will be submitted to our Hub representative to make sure that", "start": 7257.92, "end": 7264.52}, {"text": "we're in compliance with our 88 code mine is really sweet and short I basically just did some updates and you", "start": 7264.52, "end": 7270.679}, {"text": "guys will probably be getting more updates from me I can honestly say that our um housing website is in compliance", "start": 7270.679, "end": 7277.44}, {"text": "with Ada all our forms have been Ada since I've taken over the program in the last three years I make sure that our", "start": 7277.44, "end": 7282.719}, {"text": "forms are ADA Compliant so I will be working with Miss Smith to make sure that we administer and keep moving forth", "start": 7282.719, "end": 7288.32}, {"text": "in the Ada accessibility code so basically our citizen advisory task force recommended", "start": 7288.32, "end": 7295.36}, {"text": "to the city council to approve the resolution 2025 to repeal and replace the HUD Section 504 policy for our cdbd", "start": 7295.36, "end": 7302.52}, {"text": "housing program so that we can move forward with the continued funding of that Grant any questions all right thank you", "start": 7302.52, "end": 7310.36}, {"text": "ma'am I'll bring it back to the D vice mayor you look like you're CH B just thank you for being on the spot", "start": 7310.36, "end": 7316.639}, {"text": "Miss Gonzalez great job no problem any other issues", "start": 7316.639, "end": 7322.8}, {"text": "concerns Mr Mayor I move approval of the resolution thank you sir um can I get a", "start": 7322.8, "end": 7327.92}, {"text": "second second we'll open it up to public comment please anyone have anything to", "start": 7327.92, "end": 7333.199}, {"text": "say about this resolution seeing no one come forward I'll close if for from public comments", "start": 7333.199, "end": 7342.639}, {"text": "uh any more discussion from the Das uh could you call to vote Miss", "start": 7342.639, "end": 7348.159}, {"text": "Cook vice mayor pontier yes council member gambaro yes council member Miller", "start": 7348.159, "end": 7353.52}, {"text": "yes council member Stevens yes mayor Norris yes the motion passes unanimously thank you ma'am uh we're moving on to", "start": 7353.52, "end": 7359.96}, {"text": "item seven uh Council Please Mr Mayor uh item seven is being withdrawn uh after", "start": 7359.96, "end": 7365.96}, {"text": "talking with the consultant City staff decided that it does not need to be updated so uh it's not going to be presented and is being with draw the", "start": 7365.96, "end": 7372.28}, {"text": "city council okay thank you so much um item eight resolution", "start": 7372.28, "end": 7378.8}, {"text": "Council yep uh so uh this is let me read this in correctly before I get to my", "start": 7378.8, "end": 7384.4}, {"text": "presentation resolution 2025 XX amending City council's policies and procedures", "start": 7384.4, "end": 7390.48}, {"text": "so uh we've had a workshop on this uh this is presenting your new policies", "start": 7390.48, "end": 7396}, {"text": "procedures this councils uh I am made the the edits and or suggest changes that this Council has directed City", "start": 7396, "end": 7402.4}, {"text": "staff and myself to change they are in your packets uh standing by here for any questions or anything like that uh do we", "start": 7402.4, "end": 7410.119}, {"text": "want to do questions first or um a motion to approve mayor if I can um just one", "start": 7410.119, "end": 7416.76}, {"text": "administrative thing that um our executive team and I discussed is um", "start": 7416.76, "end": 7422.679}, {"text": "your Workshop schedule um in your efforts to try and make sure that the public is able to be heard um during", "start": 7422.679, "end": 7430.96}, {"text": "both a morning meeting and an evening meeting um we were wondering if you would allow the workshop schedule to be", "start": 7430.96, "end": 7438}, {"text": "the first Workshop is an evening workshop and the second Workshop is a day workshop so your meeting schedule", "start": 7438, "end": 7444.44}, {"text": "would be night night day day I have no problem with that uh anyone on the", "start": 7444.44, "end": 7450.159}, {"text": "council have a problem with that the whole the whole point of the matter was to try to get more participation more", "start": 7450.159, "end": 7455.52}, {"text": "more time for people to come at for night meetings and I think we're we're we compromised on it a little so I I", "start": 7455.52, "end": 7461.079}, {"text": "don't have any problem with it mayor would it be good for that to go in effect um in February we've already", "start": 7461.079, "end": 7467.719}, {"text": "advertised the meeting for next week A lot of people are accustomed to the morning workshop so maybe it's in effect", "start": 7467.719, "end": 7476.199}, {"text": "um February February okay okay can I get consensus on that everyone's good with", "start": 7476.199, "end": 7481.92}, {"text": "that okay any other discussion open up for public", "start": 7481.92, "end": 7488.199}, {"text": "comment anyone have any public comment concerning our policies and", "start": 7488.199, "end": 7493.36}, {"text": "procedures seeing no one come forward I'll close a public comment come back to the Das", "start": 7493.36, "end": 7499.639}, {"text": "um what call the vote did we oh I'm sorry make U we need a motion to approve", "start": 7499.639, "end": 7505.48}, {"text": "Mr Mayor I move that we approve our updated policies and procedures thank you sir um second I'll second okay I'm", "start": 7505.48, "end": 7512.559}, {"text": "sorry I should have did that first I'm sorry Council um One More Time public", "start": 7512.559, "end": 7517.599}, {"text": "comments concerning this resolution public are um policy policies and", "start": 7517.599, "end": 7522.84}, {"text": "procedures see no one come forward uh we'll come back to the Das call the vot the vote please Miss Cook vice mayor", "start": 7522.84, "end": 7529.48}, {"text": "pontier yes council member gambaro yes council member Miller yes council member Stevens yes mayor Norris yes the motion", "start": 7529.48, "end": 7537.199}, {"text": "passes unanimously thank you so much we'll move on to item I consent nine", "start": 7537.199, "end": 7542.639}, {"text": "resolution um oh I'm sorry these are all consent this does anyone have any discussion on the consent", "start": 7542.639, "end": 7549.28}, {"text": "items um we've all um had our meetings and discussed these", "start": 7549.28, "end": 7554.8}, {"text": "all these are currently budgeted correct city manager yes sir so um that's the", "start": 7554.8, "end": 7559.84}, {"text": "main thing um one's dealing with um uh what was that fire medical", "start": 7559.84, "end": 7566}, {"text": "supplies and equipment yes ma'am and uh the 91 enhanced 911 so I have no issues", "start": 7566, "end": 7572.52}, {"text": "no issues okay if that's we'll close we'll close uh consent uh we'll move on to", "start": 7572.52, "end": 7578.639}, {"text": "public participation Mr Mayor so two things we need motion and we need my bad", "start": 7578.639, "end": 7584.84}, {"text": "I'm sorry can I get a motion to approve the consent items I'll make a motion to approve the consent", "start": 7584.84, "end": 7590.52}, {"text": "agenda second second call the vote oh I'm sorry", "start": 7590.52, "end": 7596.04}, {"text": "public comments I'll get there eventually y'all this is all new to me too uh any public comments concerning", "start": 7596.04, "end": 7602.76}, {"text": "any of the consent items seeing no one come forward we'll come back to the Das", "start": 7602.76, "end": 7607.96}, {"text": "um motion we've already have a motion call the vote VI mayor poner yes council", "start": 7607.96, "end": 7613.44}, {"text": "member gambaro yes council member Miller yes council member Stevens yes mayor Norris yes the motion passes unanimously", "start": 7613.44, "end": 7620.84}, {"text": "Okay so we've finished with consent items we'll move on to item J public participation any remaining members of", "start": 7620.84, "end": 7626.88}, {"text": "the the city that would like to have their public comments yes Miss", "start": 7626.88, "end": 7634}, {"text": "Johnson again lessley Johnson from the P section um I just have one more thing to", "start": 7634, "end": 7639.52}, {"text": "say um having ordinances and rules and things", "start": 7639.52, "end": 7645.159}, {"text": "like that are really important things and I applaud you for attempting to work your way through those and I appreciate", "start": 7645.159, "end": 7652.4}, {"text": "the ordinances and the changes that you're making I would also recommend however that not only you do the", "start": 7652.4, "end": 7659.48}, {"text": "ordinances and whatnot and that they are followed but they are enforced uh in the days to come we will", "start": 7659.48, "end": 7667.239}, {"text": "be bringing you some information how the ordinances are not being followed they", "start": 7667.239, "end": 7672.559}, {"text": "are not being enforced and this is something that I had brought up at the last ter", "start": 7672.559, "end": 7681}, {"text": "probably a reason why they were all voted out and y'all were voted in um and so I just want to make that term known", "start": 7681, "end": 7690.199}, {"text": "enforcement enforce those ordinances please don't sit there and take their", "start": 7690.199, "end": 7695.84}, {"text": "word for it get out there and don't count on the neighbors to call because there's a trailer in in the road", "start": 7695.84, "end": 7702.119}, {"text": "okay or in somebody's driveway we need enforcement and unfortunately we need a", "start": 7702.119, "end": 7709.079}, {"text": "policing entity to do that and that's for inspections that's for the new bills", "start": 7709.079, "end": 7715.8}, {"text": "that is for parking and other ordinance issues", "start": 7715.8, "end": 7721.079}, {"text": "okay so thank you very much for that consideration yes ma'am thank you so much um Mr Stone", "start": 7721.079, "end": 7729.76}, {"text": "hope you're having all a good holiday and Christmas I don't know if you notice but when you come down some woods and", "start": 7731.84, "end": 7740.559}, {"text": "you're in the left hand lane to uh make the left hand", "start": 7740.559, "end": 7746.239}, {"text": "turn the the timing is off it's off sequently and in fact when you get to", "start": 7746.239, "end": 7754.079}, {"text": "the uh the gym Planet Fitness you can sit at that light for 6", "start": 7754.079, "end": 7760.04}, {"text": "seven minutes before he turns left to make the turn and also when I come from", "start": 7760.04, "end": 7768.04}, {"text": "flag going down Corbett and hden pal Coast Parkway and trying to make the", "start": 7768.04, "end": 7774.639}, {"text": "left to go north you could sit there for six seven minutes there are a lot of", "start": 7774.639, "end": 7780.199}, {"text": "lights that are way at of sequence and as you all know mayor Carol works for", "start": 7780.199, "end": 7786.559}, {"text": "the state when she uh she travels right down one when is a light problem in uh", "start": 7786.559, "end": 7794.04}, {"text": "their County they take care of it almost immediately they're right on", "start": 7794.04, "end": 7800.079}, {"text": "it you know I reported on Corbit cuz I flew up to Atlanta to see my kids for", "start": 7800.079, "end": 7808.04}, {"text": "Christmas I reported that 2 days before Christmas and I don't think it was ever", "start": 7808.04, "end": 7814.159}, {"text": "taken care of in fact I was sitting there for 8 n", "start": 7814.159, "end": 7820.559}, {"text": "minutes there was a guy behind me honing his on honking his on I said I'm not", "start": 7820.559, "end": 7827.28}, {"text": "going because the cards coming down going to", "start": 7827.28, "end": 7833.44}, {"text": "the TOs some of the trees are in cut so you can't see the traffic I just wanted", "start": 7833.44, "end": 7838.84}, {"text": "to make youw it thank you sir hope you had a good holiday Mr", "start": 7838.84, "end": 7846.119}, {"text": "Stone how you doing Eddie Lang our SE um I just wanted to come here today and", "start": 7848.719, "end": 7854.36}, {"text": "I waited till the end here uh since we had the our Ada thing today I want to invite all of you personally to our", "start": 7854.36, "end": 7861.04}, {"text": "ribbon cutting for Vincent's Clubhouse Enrichment Center for Autism down in European Village on the 21st I have", "start": 7861.04, "end": 7866.84}, {"text": "invitations for you so if you don't mind if I come up and uh I hope you guys can all make it and kind of see what we're", "start": 7866.84, "end": 7872.079}, {"text": "doing it's kind of a first of its kind here in the county or even in Three", "start": 7872.079, "end": 7877.52}, {"text": "Counties so uh we're really trying to make a difference right now we have our adult program going on with uh you know", "start": 7877.52, "end": 7883.079}, {"text": "learning life skills and trying to be able to like fend for themselves and maybe you know move on and get jobs and", "start": 7883.079, "end": 7888.84}, {"text": "things like that so we're in the beginning stages but we'd love you guys to come check it out and that's on the 21st thank you", "start": 7888.84, "end": 7897}, {"text": "sir can we maybe work with Mr Lang to do a some type of press release help him out on this breing thank you sir yeah if", "start": 7897.84, "end": 7905.32}, {"text": "we could post it on the city website that'd be great uh any further comments", "start": 7905.32, "end": 7910.639}, {"text": "oh I'm sorry Mr stanel go right ahead and Mark stanel 70 Woods uh want to reiterate what the lady was talking", "start": 7910.639, "end": 7918.079}, {"text": "about enforcing ordinances and codes and you know it's great we have them but", "start": 7918.079, "end": 7923.719}, {"text": "this is a not a small town anymore and it's growing it's big we're a city and", "start": 7923.719, "end": 7929.239}, {"text": "we need to be a little more proactive and and force what we have because a lot of citizens aren't happy that we're not", "start": 7929.239, "end": 7935.48}, {"text": "doing it uh we need to take care of the city uh for the future and now you know", "start": 7935.48, "end": 7942.079}, {"text": "so let's be a little more proactive with our with our enforcement thank you thank you sir any further public comments yes", "start": 7942.079, "end": 7951.28}, {"text": "ma'am Denise Henry P section um I just wanted to make a comment since um he had", "start": 7954.239, "end": 7960}, {"text": "talked about traffic I think our transportation department does need to", "start": 7960, "end": 7965.52}, {"text": "work on light changes especially for pedestrians", "start": 7965.52, "end": 7971.48}, {"text": "because I see people on bikes and there's more people walking and they get to like the intersection I live near", "start": 7971.48, "end": 7978}, {"text": "White View and they can stand there in like for minutes and minutes and minutes", "start": 7978, "end": 7983.44}, {"text": "and you know um I live near Pittsburgh and if you went to Pittsburgh all the lights stop and all four you know", "start": 7983.44, "end": 7991.52}, {"text": "pedestrian Lanes Go at once and I just think they need to work on that better", "start": 7991.52, "end": 7996.76}, {"text": "because then you get jaywalkers because you know they're waiting so long so I", "start": 7996.76, "end": 8002.04}, {"text": "think that's something that needs addressed thank you ma'am any further", "start": 8002.04, "end": 8007.239}, {"text": "public comment see none come forward we'll close public comment bring it back to", "start": 8007.239, "end": 8013.04}, {"text": "the Das um I'd like to say something yes I'd like to address the comment U I", "start": 8013.04, "end": 8018.92}, {"text": "believe it was Mr Stone made about the traffic uh turn Lanes aside the the tra", "start": 8018.92, "end": 8026}, {"text": "the traffic light timing is atrocious uh the Cycles are too long", "start": 8026, "end": 8032.4}, {"text": "they have trip and they have time operating at the at the same time which", "start": 8032.4, "end": 8038.199}, {"text": "throws one off one it throws the other off they work against each other uh it's really gotten to the point", "start": 8038.199, "end": 8046.28}, {"text": "where uh it takes you about 10 minutes to go a mile on route 100 and uh we need", "start": 8046.28, "end": 8055.719}, {"text": "to do something about that because it also inhibits the the flow of of of emergency", "start": 8055.719, "end": 8061.719}, {"text": "Vehicles so uh I understand we might be addressing that with the", "start": 8061.719, "end": 8067.119}, {"text": "state but uh it can't be too soon thank", "start": 8067.119, "end": 8073.159}, {"text": "you mayor uh yeah thanks um so uh just in", "start": 8073.76, "end": 8079.76}, {"text": "terms of the enforcement of um code and things like that I agree that active versus P passive is is where we need to", "start": 8079.76, "end": 8086.199}, {"text": "be on that um light timing it's been discussed a bunch I I actually um asked", "start": 8086.199, "end": 8092.32}, {"text": "uh Chief of Staff about any programs that we're working on um in terms of algorithms AI uh to utilize the fiber", "start": 8092.32, "end": 8099.96}, {"text": "Loop Network that we have at um any of the the lights to to try to um have that", "start": 8099.96, "end": 8106.079}, {"text": "utilize that technology to to cause it to be more efficient um we know it's a problem um I see complaints about it", "start": 8106.079, "end": 8113.199}, {"text": "daily um on social media so um we're going to continue to push that forward", "start": 8113.199, "end": 8118.559}, {"text": "um try to use some technology to make that more efficient um especially considering our infrastructure issues um", "start": 8118.559, "end": 8124.559}, {"text": "and then in terms of anything else I think that's it um I just want to recognize some of", "start": 8124.559, "end": 8132.32}, {"text": "our staff members um we received a letter I believe all of council did uh", "start": 8132.32, "end": 8137.4}, {"text": "from David Brandon with the Flagler County Veteran Day Parade planning committee and it just says that he's", "start": 8137.4, "end": 8142.8}, {"text": "writing to express profound gratitude for the support and Leadership shown by the city of Palm Coast in making this", "start": 8142.8, "end": 8148.28}, {"text": "year's Veterans Day Parade a resounding success um It also says this parade is being held as the largest in Flagler County's", "start": 8148.28, "end": 8154.96}, {"text": "history a remarkable achievement impossible without your commitment to honoring the veterans of our us Armed", "start": 8154.96, "end": 8160.28}, {"text": "Forces so I want to thank staff I want to thank our plan the Veterans Day planning committee Mr Brandon thank you", "start": 8160.28, "end": 8166.4}, {"text": "for all that you do and I also want to recognize the two employees that he", "start": 8166.4, "end": 8171.559}, {"text": "specifically pointed out which is Matt Johnston with public works and Gina Catalano with parks and wreck so thank", "start": 8171.559, "end": 8177.4}, {"text": "you for their efforts um it's so important that we continue to honor and recognize our veterans in the community", "start": 8177.4, "end": 8182.88}, {"text": "so I'm I'm just super proud of our city for doing that uh excuse me the other thing I wanted to bring up we had", "start": 8182.88, "end": 8188.44}, {"text": "previously um discussed free Zamba um councilman Stevens I know this was something that you were pretty vocal", "start": 8188.44, "end": 8193.558}, {"text": "about and I think that um bringing this up now is is timely because when I looked at the pull in facilities", "start": 8193.559, "end": 8199.76}, {"text": "assessment that we asked um City staff to circulate to us the thing that jumped", "start": 8199.76, "end": 8205.558}, {"text": "out at me was that Freda Zamba um well I should say this Aquatic Center the Palm Coast Aquatic Center is not even ADA", "start": 8205.559, "end": 8211.719}, {"text": "Compliant so you know making even the locker rooms ADA 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it's an old pool needs to be replaced but we still have a a", "start": 8294.44, "end": 8300.2}, {"text": "requirement based on our citizens that are telling us that they use the pool um", "start": 8300.2, "end": 8305.719}, {"text": "we have in our strategic priori you know for the state the YMCA right we all", "start": 8305.719, "end": 8311.518}, {"text": "agreed to to to kind of move in that direction um and you know maybe maybe there's a better way maybe there's a a a", "start": 8311.519, "end": 8319.08}, {"text": "private entity that can come in and and soak up those maintenance costs and maybe run it better than we're doing it and maybe even make an Ada complaint I", "start": 8319.08, "end": 8325.8}, {"text": "don't know but I would just ask consensus on that you know from the council for staff to kind bring options", "start": 8325.8, "end": 8331.518}, {"text": "back to us just to consider um because I think um it's it's an important requirement I think it's a need moving", 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with those", "start": 8458.439, "end": 8464.2}, {"text": "three items are you good city manager you got them down um I I did take notes", "start": 8464.2, "end": 8469.479}, {"text": "Sesame the pool and the golf course yes if that's the cons really we", "start": 8469.479, "end": 8475.439}, {"text": "don't need we don't need to be bleeding money like that on the golf course but go ahead go ahead Mr St as far as Freda", "start": 8475.439, "end": 8482.08}, {"text": "zamber pool is concerned um it is already somewhat Ada", "start": 8482.08, "end": 8488.479}, {"text": "uh compliant that has a lift so that the people who are in wheelchairs can be lowered into the water our question as", "start": 8488.479, "end": 8496}, {"text": "to we and not uh something has to be made ADA Compliant if it's going to be repaired", "start": 8496, "end": 8503.2}, {"text": "and not replaced um I think what needed at Freda zamber pool is is repairs and bringing", "start": 8503.2, "end": 8510.76}, {"text": "up to up to Snuff not a replacement as far as the golf course before we even", "start": 8510.76, "end": 8516.84}, {"text": "consider selling it we should look at into to passing a resolution a covenant", "start": 8516.84, "end": 8521.92}, {"text": "making that property uh for perpetuity either a golf course or used for public", "start": 8521.92, "end": 8528.52}, {"text": "Recreation so that someone doesn't come along buy it so we going to make a golf course and then turn it into condos", "start": 8528.52, "end": 8535.12}, {"text": "that's happened before so uh I think that we should look into that", "start": 8535.12, "end": 8541.439}, {"text": "in accordance with Mr garrow's uh Mo comment so what I'm hearing and maybe", "start": 8541.439, "end": 8547.64}, {"text": "you're hearing city manager maybe we should put this on a workshop and be able to discuss it and we don't make the", "start": 8547.64, "end": 8556.24}, {"text": "you know mistake of thinking we're moving forward and putting out that you know we're trying to sell off the golf course no we just want to improve", "start": 8556.24, "end": 8563.08}, {"text": "improve our community and and we and me and Mr Hurst we had our meeting just last week right James um", "start": 8563.08, "end": 8571}, {"text": "and and I wholeheartedly agree that we can't be bleeding money on on something as simple as a golf course and um being", "start": 8571, "end": 8577.8}, {"text": "competitive with other golf courses and um you know it's it's a big deal that's", "start": 8577.8, "end": 8583.6}, {"text": "big money being lost so I I have no problem with that anyone have a problem with us adding those three things if", "start": 8583.6, "end": 8589.16}, {"text": "they're not already on a workshop yeah I don't have a problem I I just um for Clarity on the um turling because I had", "start": 8589.16, "end": 8596.04}, {"text": "I've had a lot of back and forth um correspondence with staff on the turn lane that you referenced councilman", "start": 8596.04, "end": 8602.64}, {"text": "gambaro and um I I know that staff is they've been very responsive to me as as", "start": 8602.64, "end": 8609.04}, {"text": "far as looking into putting an a turn lane in the cost Etc so I don't know if maybe it needs to be a strategic action", "start": 8609.04, "end": 8615.6}, {"text": "plan to do a priority or a an inventory um in the city to see where turn Lanes", "start": 8615.6, "end": 8622.279}, {"text": "might be necessary both right and left from what I've gathered the the right lane the right turn lane is a little", "start": 8622.279, "end": 8628.72}, {"text": "more cost effective than the left turn Lane that sounds a little backwards but that seems to be what the financials write out as far as what I've seen um", "start": 8628.72, "end": 8636.72}, {"text": "but but I I think that could parlay into a good sa priority to see you know how we can improve traffic because you have", "start": 8636.72, "end": 8643.16}, {"text": "to have certain warrants for like stop signs and stop lights but you don't for certain types of turn Lanes so it could be something where we kind of um don't", "start": 8643.16, "end": 8651.12}, {"text": "have to have these regulatory benchmarks in order to improve the traffic flow so I don't know maybe city manager if it if", "start": 8651.12, "end": 8658.319}, {"text": "it parlays nice and a SAT priority we need to definitely consider but I I", "start": 8658.319, "end": 8663.72}, {"text": "think I guess I'm kind of wondering if if if we're not going to make it like if we're going to put on a workshop now", "start": 8663.72, "end": 8669.64}, {"text": "what exactly are we workshopping is it something like that or is it just Sesame and seminal alone now let's identify the", "start": 8669.64, "end": 8676.12}, {"text": "you know let's rack and stack the the the issues that have been brought to us", "start": 8676.12, "end": 8682.04}, {"text": "right and look at them and identify what are the regulatory requirements to make the changes what are the costs associated with it m if we can make the", "start": 8682.04, "end": 8689.56}, {"text": "changes now let's do it and if we all agree that that's what we want to do then let's go do it but if there if we", "start": 8689.56, "end": 8695.08}, {"text": "don't have the funding to go do it or we've got to conduct a study in order to ensure that we meet regulatory requirements then you know let's put it", "start": 8695.08, "end": 8701.96}, {"text": "kind of into into the sap bucket but I mean it doesn't have to be I'm just I'm open for a discussion I just I have this", "start": 8701.96, "end": 8708.359}, {"text": "on my to-do list for last year and given that it's the new year I want to make sure we we keep moving forward yeah never Retreat right Never Surrender so", "start": 8708.359, "end": 8715.479}, {"text": "um so yeah that's uh I'm happy to to look at it either way mhm okay okay so", "start": 8715.479, "end": 8720.8}, {"text": "you're good city manager yes mayor I took those three notes uh well what you want she no no ma'am uh", "start": 8720.8, "end": 8730.279}, {"text": "public comments close uh I will I will say this we have as as far as the the", "start": 8730.279, "end": 8736}, {"text": "signals are concerned a big problem we're having right now is State row 100 and uh we sent that letter to uh do and", "start": 8736, "end": 8744.72}, {"text": "they kind of scale back their their day working and they're going to move forward at night only right yes yes sir", "start": 8744.72, "end": 8750.479}, {"text": "and um our meeting with them is scheduled for January 15th okay so we're we're doing everything we can and and", "start": 8750.479, "end": 8757}, {"text": "the community needs to understand those lights on State Road 100 have they're", "start": 8757, "end": 8762.04}, {"text": "under the control of do for that construction so we can't do anything we have no control over those but I think", "start": 8762.04, "end": 8768.72}, {"text": "the traffic in the past few days it seems like it's a bit better now school's getting back in into session so", "start": 8768.72, "end": 8774.84}, {"text": "we'll see but I think we're doing better we're doing the best we can and uh we're going to keep leaning forward and and", "start": 8774.84, "end": 8781.279}, {"text": "and trying to accomplish uh getting all our signals I've seen in other parts of the city where we're having problems", "start": 8781.279, "end": 8787.399}, {"text": "with signals so was that everyone's comments as far as the city council so", "start": 8787.399, "end": 8792.479}, {"text": "can I finish up for us and go to city manager okay I would", "start": 8792.479, "end": 8797.64}, {"text": "um um first thing I'd like to say is please pray for our our deputies and Fir", "start": 8797.64, "end": 8804.399}, {"text": "Fighters that are out there uh we have a situation going on now right now I have it I haven't looked in my phone so I", "start": 8804.399, "end": 8810.08}, {"text": "have haven't gotten any updates but I have an update mayor I'm sure I'm sure the city manager would give it to me you", "start": 8810.08, "end": 8815.92}, {"text": "want to give it to us where everybody can hear sure um um our fire police officer has had significant injuries and", "start": 8815.92, "end": 8823.08}, {"text": "is far from out of the woods but he is awake and alert and talking with our team thanks be to God um okay that's", "start": 8823.08, "end": 8832.64}, {"text": "great so keep the keep those uh those people in your prayers and also uh we", "start": 8832.64, "end": 8838.359}, {"text": "post on the city Facebook today I have established uh uh mayor office hours", "start": 8838.359, "end": 8843.72}, {"text": "they'll be from wed Wednesdays and Thursdays from 10:00 a.m. to 300 p.m. and you'll have to you'll have to call", "start": 8843.72, "end": 8850.24}, {"text": "up uh the numbers on the on the page you can uh call and uh make an appointment", "start": 8850.24, "end": 8855.68}, {"text": "and only way that'll that'll shift is if I have something that's more urgent that I have to take care of um let's see we", "start": 8855.68, "end": 8863.319}, {"text": "talked about the lights that's all I have uh over to uh the attorney councel", "start": 8863.319, "end": 8868.88}, {"text": "you got anything for us uh it's not really City business but I just think it's an important thing uh uh President", "start": 8868.88, "end": 8874.84}, {"text": "Carter's funeral State funeral I believe will be happening next week as a person who participated in uh President Bush's", "start": 8874.84, "end": 8881.319}, {"text": "funeral it's a very important process I think we should all observe uh it doesn't happen very often uh but is a", "start": 8881.319, "end": 8888.76}, {"text": "important posess of our country's history so just bringing that to everyone's attention Okay thank you sir hey one one cave out for me before we go", "start": 8888.76, "end": 8895.04}, {"text": "to the city manager um I've had this discussion with Sheriff Staley and uh", "start": 8895.04, "end": 8900.84}, {"text": "um my my thoughts that I I put out while campaigning was State Road 100 needs to", "start": 8900.84, "end": 8906.92}, {"text": "be six Lanes three lanes each way with turn Lanes so I hope we can apply as", "start": 8906.92, "end": 8912.96}, {"text": "much pressure as we can to the state to to make it so because I can tell you", "start": 8912.96, "end": 8918.04}, {"text": "right now when we came up the Palm Coast to take a look at a model home over in", "start": 8918.04, "end": 8923.16}, {"text": "the E section uh State Road 100 was a two-lane road and we were backed up all the way", "start": 8923.16, "end": 8929.399}, {"text": "to the end Interstate back then so it's it's an ongoing issue on State Road 100", "start": 8929.399, "end": 8935.12}, {"text": "so just be aware that we're doing everything we can and we are leaning forward and we are pressuring uh", "start": 8935.12, "end": 8940.68}, {"text": "organizations to to help support us uh so with that I'll turn it over to the city manager and mayor thank you for", "start": 8940.68, "end": 8946.68}, {"text": "that the dot is going to come and present their work plan to you at a workshop in February so that's a good", "start": 8946.68, "end": 8952.359}, {"text": "opportunity for Council to apply some pressure um um I just had one two quick", "start": 8952.359, "end": 8957.96}, {"text": "updates um as miss pontier mention mentioned Wednesday is our legislative delegation meeting at the County", "start": 8957.96, "end": 8964.319}, {"text": "government services building where the city will be presenting your adopted priorities um and then my second update", "start": 8964.319, "end": 8971.08}, {"text": "is as we're leaning into the future I thought it might be beneficial for the council to be um given a presentation on", "start": 8971.08, "end": 8979.16}, {"text": "the comprehensive plan so um the previous city council adopted the first", "start": 8979.16, "end": 8984.56}, {"text": "read of the ordinance and second read is due and approved by April 3r third so", "start": 8984.56, "end": 8990.479}, {"text": "that we comply with the state um guidance that's before us so I thought it might be beneficial for us to come", "start": 8990.479, "end": 8998.04}, {"text": "give you a brief overview and then also understand what the um uh State comments", "start": 8998.04, "end": 9005.24}, {"text": "were back that we needed to make adjustments to the plan so just wanted to see if you have the pleasure for that", "start": 9005.24, "end": 9010.72}, {"text": "to be a future Workshop item I have no problem with it we need it this is the award-winning comprehensive plan correct", "start": 9010.72, "end": 9017.72}, {"text": "yes on Thursday we're going to receive an award um for our comprehensive plan", "start": 9017.72, "end": 9023.92}, {"text": "if I may I would also like to ask for consensus within that comp plan we added a new land use designation which was", "start": 9023.92, "end": 9030.16}, {"text": "Master Plan mixed use it has a lot of elements that were very concerning to me", "start": 9030.16, "end": 9035.319}, {"text": "um I did not get much I didn't get as much support from previous Council as I would have liked as far as kind of", "start": 9035.319, "end": 9041.16}, {"text": "looking at some of those elements with a little bit of a closer eye to um what the implications could be as", "start": 9041.16, "end": 9049}, {"text": "far as what could actually be built within that land use designation um particularly when looking at live local", "start": 9049, "end": 9055.04}, {"text": "so um I would like uh to revisit those elements um particularly now that we", "start": 9055.04, "end": 9060.88}, {"text": "have a new Council if we could include in that Workshop what exactly the master plan mixed use is and the elements and", "start": 9060.88, "end": 9068.52}, {"text": "the changes to I guess the new elements that we don't currently have in our land use", "start": 9068.52, "end": 9075.04}, {"text": "designations I I'm wholeheartedly behind that um um as some as you some of you", "start": 9075.04, "end": 9080.359}, {"text": "may know I've had some issues with the comp plan so we need to all get on the same sheet of music and uh and because", "start": 9080.359, "end": 9087.12}, {"text": "of uh Sunshine laws we can't do it I can't call vice mayor and say hey this is what I think we can't do it like that", "start": 9087.12, "end": 9093.56}, {"text": "we have to do it in this open form so I think it's a splendid plan city manager", "start": 9093.56, "end": 9099.08}, {"text": "and uh get make it so number one understood that's U that's my comments", "start": 9099.08, "end": 9105.12}, {"text": "mayor okay with that uh I would ask we're good", "start": 9105.12, "end": 9111.16}, {"text": "Council toj Mr that I'll make a motion to adjourn thank you", "start": 9111.16, "end": 9119.319}]