[{"text": "coast city council Workshop today is Tuesday January 14th 2025 it's approximately 0900", "start": 0.16, "end": 8.28}, {"text": "a.m. uh we're in City Hall we're in the city hall Community Wing um I'll call", "start": 8.28, "end": 13.839}, {"text": "this this meeting to order and if you would please stand with me and for the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of", "start": 13.839, "end": 21.64}, {"text": "silence I pledge Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the", "start": 22.439, "end": 28.72}, {"text": "Republic for stand one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for", "start": 28.72, "end": 38}, {"text": "all thank you very", "start": 48.68, "end": 52.16}, {"text": "much uh city clerk would you call it to rooll please um mayor Norris here", "start": 54.239, "end": 60.16}, {"text": "council member gambara here council member Miller here council member Stevens here and vice mayor ponier is", "start": 60.16, "end": 67.68}, {"text": "absent thank you very much you're uh we'll begin we'll begin today's meeting with public participation I will advise", "start": 67.68, "end": 74.759}, {"text": "you to please read the rules and um do not comment U comment on any items", "start": 74.759, "end": 79.799}, {"text": "coming up on the agenda you'll have time to speak U during that period uh please", "start": 79.799, "end": 85.119}, {"text": "keep it civil and maintain a sense of decorum uh with that being said first public participation please stand", "start": 85.119, "end": 93.6}, {"text": "up want to address the airb being asking for an amendment out for us with all due", "start": 95.399, "end": 100.799}, {"text": "respect Mr Mayor ma'am hi we're Kathy Davidson I'm with them in Palm Coast Florida thank you all right with all due", "start": 100.799, "end": 107.84}, {"text": "respect Mr Mayor we had it a bit you had a bad experience with Airbnb that has nothing to do with us talk slow the", "start": 107.84, "end": 114.799}, {"text": "Airbnb guess that you were that you had a bad experience they didn't live there we live in our home we are responsible", "start": 114.799, "end": 121.719}, {"text": "Airbnb owners we are responsible uh airb we are responsible homeowners so in case", "start": 121.719, "end": 128.119}, {"text": "in point your bad situation has nothing to do with us you're across the board thing of", "start": 128.119, "end": 136.28}, {"text": "capping everybody's um people how many people can have in their home is no different than if Johnny had a got a", "start": 136.28, "end": 142.12}, {"text": "speeding ticket so he had a bad he's a bad um situation and so you're going to", "start": 142.12, "end": 148.08}, {"text": "give us a speeding ticket to help C him from having for doing bad things has", "start": 148.08, "end": 154.36}, {"text": "nothing to do with us I ask you to put in aend to give us who live in our homes", "start": 154.36, "end": 159.56}, {"text": "who manage our home that have no issues that have been responsible um to be able", "start": 159.56, "end": 164.76}, {"text": "to put addendum in there for people like us because we have had no issues and we", "start": 164.76, "end": 170.08}, {"text": "have done well we have been proud Airbnb owners for almost 10 years I love what I", "start": 170.08, "end": 175.599}, {"text": "do and aren't we supposed to be doing the American dream doing what what you do doing what you love and Airbnb was", "start": 175.599, "end": 183.44}, {"text": "started so people can do rent rooms out of their homes not to be", "start": 183.44, "end": 189.68}, {"text": "punished for running rooms out of their homes I please that you take that into", "start": 189.68, "end": 195.599}, {"text": "consideration it has caused me major stress I've done them I've done them the math in our world will we be losing $500", "start": 195.599, "end": 201.92}, {"text": "a month 600 $6,000 a year maybe it's nothing to everybody else but it is to", "start": 201.92, "end": 207.799}, {"text": "us and we've done well we shouldn't be punished because you have some bad", "start": 207.799, "end": 213.239}, {"text": "actors we've done well and should be an attendant for people that do well and", "start": 213.239, "end": 218.319}, {"text": "they should be applauded for when they do well not punished thank you", "start": 218.319, "end": 225.56}, {"text": "ma'am as Kathy said we're quite frustrated we appreciate any assistance um sir state your name for the record", "start": 233.319, "end": 238.92}, {"text": "please sorry Joel Davidson Palm Coast M we appreciate the idea of everybody", "start": 238.92, "end": 245.64}, {"text": "having the same basic rules except we're not in a military", "start": 245.64, "end": 251.519}, {"text": "Community you we're in a community where people want to live their", "start": 251.519, "end": 258.079}, {"text": "lives we're as Kathy said we're being punished for what some other", "start": 258.88, "end": 264.88}, {"text": "Airbnb homeowners have done that don't live in their homes so so if nothing", "start": 264.88, "end": 271.52}, {"text": "else make an exception of avability for", "start": 271.52, "end": 276.88}, {"text": "us if the other homeowners that live in their homes realize this is going to", "start": 276.88, "end": 282.199}, {"text": "affect them then let them come and talk to whoever's going to be in charge of the Airbnb rules and say hey can we also", "start": 282.199, "end": 290.08}, {"text": "apply for that exception on that exception application it can say if we begin to get complaints", "start": 290.08, "end": 298.199}, {"text": "about numbers of people at property this exemption will be taken away no", "start": 298.199, "end": 303.68}, {"text": "different than a handicapped exemption will be taken away if you're no longer", "start": 303.68, "end": 309.919}, {"text": "handicapped but for us to be punished for what somebody else has done is just", "start": 309.919, "end": 317.6}, {"text": "wrong uh if every if every red car had to add", "start": 317.6, "end": 322.759}, {"text": "of a certain rule because for some reason red cars have a problem and then", "start": 322.759, "end": 328.12}, {"text": "somebody just said well let just make that rule apply to every car it just isn't the right way to go and there", "start": 328.12, "end": 334.96}, {"text": "needs to be an exception as Kathy said the real numbers are that it will affect", "start": 334.96, "end": 340.639}, {"text": "us about $500 a month now our Airbnb", "start": 340.639, "end": 347.039}, {"text": "income no problem of anybody here or ours 3 years ago was", "start": 347.039, "end": 353.84}, {"text": "70,000 last the year before that was 60,000 last year was 50,000 so we don't", "start": 353.84, "end": 360}, {"text": "know what's going on in the country obviously you know the administration and all that people aren't traveling as much whatever this year will probably be", "start": 360, "end": 367.599}, {"text": "about the same 50,000 that we're currently in I guess we'll find out but even at that level 10% of that is what", "start": 367.599, "end": 374.759}, {"text": "we'll at least lose that's $500 a month or $400 a month guess it's", "start": 374.759, "end": 380.319}, {"text": "$50,000 but we can't take another hit and uh you know we're not going go", "start": 380.319, "end": 386.56}, {"text": "deliver pizzas we have a beautiful home we don't hurt anybody nobody's ever been hurt by our Airbnb home so give us an", "start": 386.56, "end": 396.28}, {"text": "exemption thrust if you don't want to give it to everybody or if you feel like you have to do something for everybody", "start": 396.28, "end": 402.479}, {"text": "make that three years old become 12 years old that at least takes care of a little league team takes care of a", "start": 402.479, "end": 409.28}, {"text": "soccer team you know at least that you could apply to everybody but thank you", "start": 409.28, "end": 415}, {"text": "thank you sir", "start": 415, "end": 418.28}, {"text": "good morning Robert Mcdonald Palm Coast back in December December the", "start": 430.08, "end": 437.8}, {"text": "19th there was an article in The Observer about short-term rentals get", "start": 437.8, "end": 445.28}, {"text": "the first okay well now would here it is January the", "start": 445.28, "end": 453.84}, {"text": "14th less than a month later we're already talking about that the rentals", "start": 453.84, "end": 460.44}, {"text": "are going to be approved as of March well I raised a question a couple", "start": 460.44, "end": 467.84}, {"text": "of months ago and I still haven't gotten the answer so we'll try it again with the new", "start": 467.84, "end": 473.96}, {"text": "Administration when you decide to open up an Airbnb technically", "start": 474.44, "end": 480}, {"text": "and legally and the City attorney will disagree with me if I'm wrong that's considered a business it's a business", "start": 480, "end": 487.919}, {"text": "just like somebody open want a hair salon or a barber shop it's a business", "start": 487.919, "end": 493.24}, {"text": "okay now you're going to Capital off at 10 people well first of all who's going", "start": 493.24, "end": 498.8}, {"text": "to do all the inspections because you have to have every Department in the city has to do s sign off on before the", "start": 498.8, "end": 507.56}, {"text": "business can legitimately open well now it's been said that they're", "start": 507.56, "end": 513.12}, {"text": "going to hire a new code enforcement people or at least spread the wealth out", "start": 513.12, "end": 518.599}, {"text": "a little bit well I live in the O section I got 65 miles of roads and my", "start": 518.599, "end": 525.24}, {"text": "code enforcement officer he breaks his butt every day and he can't even do 65", "start": 525.24, "end": 531.2}, {"text": "miles in a week okay now now we go back to what happens to the people who are", "start": 531.2, "end": 538.36}, {"text": "going to have it as a second income well now we go fast forward it to last week", "start": 538.36, "end": 547.12}, {"text": "and it says short-term rental occupancy would be cap to 10 well unfortunately the vice mayor is", "start": 547.12, "end": 554.32}, {"text": "not here because it's not right to rip into something that she said but she publicly says that during high-end", "start": 554.32, "end": 563.399}, {"text": "rental weeks like bike week and all these other events that that may we may", "start": 563.399, "end": 569.2}, {"text": "have to circumvent that number no no no no now we go back to another", "start": 569.2, "end": 576.48}, {"text": "issue at what age does a person become a person is it Oney old 3 years old 5", "start": 576.48, "end": 583.12}, {"text": "years old now also it says that we'll use the mayor for example let's say the", "start": 583.12, "end": 590.8}, {"text": "mayor wants to rent out his house and I call up and I say I want to", "start": 590.8, "end": 596.44}, {"text": "rent out your house but I got a mobile home I got a trailer I got a boat well", "start": 596.44, "end": 601.839}, {"text": "we can't have a boat and a trailer in a in a on a property in a driveway so", "start": 601.839, "end": 607.56}, {"text": "there's a lot of questions that have to be answered so instead of slam bam thank you ma'am getting this done why don't we", "start": 607.56, "end": 614.56}, {"text": "all sit down with some residents and other people and we'll talk about this", "start": 614.56, "end": 619.76}, {"text": "how's that sound thank you", "start": 619.76, "end": 623.24}, {"text": "sir yes sir good morning my name is Manley Co", "start": 626.68, "end": 633.04}, {"text": "Florida Park Drive Palm Coast uh I'm here because back in 20 or 21 there was", "start": 633.04, "end": 639.24}, {"text": "a ditch trench dog next to my house for water drainage into the sewer there and", "start": 639.24, "end": 645.639}, {"text": "they said you'll never have a problem again well the next thing I know I get a notice from a town that I have a tree growing there that has to be removed so", "start": 645.639, "end": 652.24}, {"text": "I called the township up told him I'm not getting in that water because I don't know if his alligators there so", "start": 652.24, "end": 658.04}, {"text": "anyway he said don't worry about it I know it's bad so we'll take care of it well I brought two sets of pictures that", "start": 658.04, "end": 666.48}, {"text": "I would like to share uh give you if you can look at them together I couldn't make copies for everybody but one is", "start": 666.48, "end": 672.32}, {"text": "from May of 22 when I first came here after my third trip to try to get it", "start": 672.32, "end": 678.72}, {"text": "fixed and then I have pictures from yesterday of what it looks like and believe it or not it looked better in 22", "start": 678.72, "end": 685.519}, {"text": "than it does today now I put in a case with pom co connect about it um I didn't", "start": 685.519, "end": 692.12}, {"text": "hear too much so I caught him up and the lady said oh yeah you should have gotten an email because it's scheduled January", "start": 692.12, "end": 698.519}, {"text": "to February of 25 they're going to regrade your swell take care of your", "start": 698.519, "end": 703.72}, {"text": "problem so I'm hoping that happens I don't want to come back in March and be complaining again so if I can leave", "start": 703.72, "end": 710.079}, {"text": "these with you maybe you can look at them together uh here's my case here's the one from 22 you can see what's", "start": 710.079, "end": 716.88}, {"text": "really going on it looks like a Hayfield out there and the thing is when it gets a little warm or hot outside you walk", "start": 716.88, "end": 723.12}, {"text": "out the door it's like an ouse the stench the smell and that's not fair uh", "start": 723.12, "end": 729.839}, {"text": "that it can't be taken care of if the township decide to do it my second thing is um I was having trouble with my", "start": 729.839, "end": 736.88}, {"text": "bathroom toilets that wasn't holding the water so I called my plumber he came out", "start": 736.88, "end": 741.92}, {"text": "he looked at it he did a couple things and why was there he heard this gurgling in my tub which I told him about he said", "start": 741.92, "end": 747.639}, {"text": "what is that said that's the Burling I told you about so he checked it out and he says that's not inside that's outside", "start": 747.639, "end": 754.24}, {"text": "so he gave me uh the bill and on the bill he wrote have a lateral main line for trouble checked so I called the town", "start": 754.24, "end": 761.199}, {"text": "up asked them to do that they've been trying to fix that water system I guess for a while and they're just tearing up", "start": 761.199, "end": 767.88}, {"text": "the road and I'm not the only one in the street that's having trouble so I called her up said well we'll send somebody out", "start": 767.88, "end": 773.279}, {"text": "the guy came out and he checked the lateral at my house he said it's not clogged I said I'm not talking about my house I'm talking about in the street he", "start": 773.279, "end": 779.639}, {"text": "said what that's maintenance and I'm not maintenance I can't check that so I would like to see if we can maybe deal", "start": 779.639, "end": 785.6}, {"text": "with deal with that and have them come out relook at it fix it because it's terrible my toilet bowls won't even hold", "start": 785.6, "end": 792.519}, {"text": "water and it's got to be a leak somewhere and he says it's not inside it's outside so I'd appreciate it if", "start": 792.519, "end": 798.6}, {"text": "maybe you could uh assist me in dealing with that problem and trying to get it fixed and I'll leave these I don't know", "start": 798.6, "end": 804.92}, {"text": "where you want me to do these are your copies yes sir leave them with the clerk and uh May if um Mr rousell could speak", "start": 804.92, "end": 812.76}, {"text": "to the gentleman on his utility issue and then Miss Melissa Hill is in the back to um discuss your storm water and", "start": 812.76, "end": 820.199}, {"text": "Swale concern she's got her hand up in the back and we'd be happy to address those concerns and who's the other", "start": 820.199, "end": 826.199}, {"text": "person Mr rousel okay thank you for doing that for me yes sir they'll help you out sir anyone else for public", "start": 826.199, "end": 834}, {"text": "comment yes sir", "start": 834, "end": 838.199}, {"text": "for good good morning I'm so sorry for my English that's not my first language but I think that it's going to be enough", "start": 840.8, "end": 847.44}, {"text": "to be understood and to be clear State your state your name for the record sir please uh I'm so sorry for my English", "start": 847.44, "end": 854.519}, {"text": "that's not my first language but I hope it's going to be enough to be understandable I mean to be understood", "start": 854.519, "end": 860.12}, {"text": "and be clear okay yes sir my name is Alex uh and I live in six Rockingham L", "start": 860.12, "end": 865.48}, {"text": "Palm Coast uh last uh Thursday I received the courtesy not notice about", "start": 865.48, "end": 875}, {"text": "my vehicle on a driveway which has no uh Tire I just removed the tire because", "start": 875, "end": 881.16}, {"text": "upper arm was broken and I ordered the parts and I'd like to fix the problem in", "start": 881.16, "end": 886.199}, {"text": "this case I just want to know who was offended by my vehicle with no tire on", "start": 886.199, "end": 892.32}, {"text": "my driveway at my home and why do I need to fix the problem in 5 days I had to", "start": 892.32, "end": 899.279}, {"text": "break my schedule to broke my trip I I'm a truck driver return to the Palm Coast", "start": 899.279, "end": 905.24}, {"text": "to fix this problem may I ask you just one simple question with a reasonable explanation why do I need to", "start": 905.24, "end": 912.519}, {"text": "fix it in 5 days and who was offended with my tire with no tire yes thank you", "start": 912.519, "end": 919.16}, {"text": "yes sir it it's all public record but miss uh Barbara Gman back there please speak with her and she'll help you out", "start": 919.16, "end": 925.56}, {"text": "with the situ thank you so much yes sir can I do 10 more seconds no sir uh next", "start": 925.56, "end": 932.759}, {"text": "person for public comment please seeing no one come forward we're", "start": 932.759, "end": 939.16}, {"text": "going to close per public participation uh bring it back to the dis do either of the council members", "start": 939.16, "end": 945.88}, {"text": "have anything to say regarding these subjects Mr Mayor uh with regards to the", "start": 945.88, "end": 951.16}, {"text": "short-term rental um and and also to the uh acting city manager uh what's the", "start": 951.16, "end": 956.639}, {"text": "timeline for uh us to review the implement implementation plan for uh the", "start": 956.639, "end": 962.16}, {"text": "short-term rentals U because I'm I'm getting emails from constituents saying okay now this", "start": 962.16, "end": 967.319}, {"text": "is passed what's the timeline and you know we we're really going to be focused and this is our our friends in the", "start": 967.319, "end": 973.199}, {"text": "C-section we're going to be focused on the um the enforc enforcement corre enforcement yes sir thank you sir Mr", "start": 973.199, "end": 979.88}, {"text": "dorenzo is approaching to answer that question thank you good morning uh the ordinance has um a May um sorry", "start": 979.88, "end": 987.199}, {"text": "um March the 3rd the first Monday in March I believe is March the 3D is the implementation date so between now and", "start": 987.199, "end": 994.759}, {"text": "then we'll prepare the check list build our process train our staff and then um", "start": 994.759, "end": 1001.6}, {"text": "start taking applications and if it's council's pleasure we can get you a briefing on what that implementation", "start": 1001.6, "end": 1007.839}, {"text": "plan is before it rolls out on March 3rd we can provide that to you internally yeah I think that's I think we would all", "start": 1007.839, "end": 1014.839}, {"text": "like to see that and and I had a conversation with Miss Edmonson the new tax collector last night uh they can", "start": 1014.839, "end": 1021.519}, {"text": "capture they're capturing all that data as far as uh airbnbs so we need to make sure that we are uh coordinating with", "start": 1021.519, "end": 1028.079}, {"text": "their office through our tax U tax receipt office and making sure that we're we're collecting those fees and", "start": 1028.079, "end": 1034.918}, {"text": "and um annual annual fees and inspection fees um any other questions on that are", "start": 1034.919, "end": 1041.079}, {"text": "we yes sir they provide us a monthly report that we review yes sir um yep we", "start": 1041.079, "end": 1046.199}, {"text": "need to I I'd like to know the total number you know on a continuous basis please update us on that and and mayor", "start": 1046.199, "end": 1052.6}, {"text": "just for um for the record and for Mr McDonald for historical purposes um this", "start": 1052.6, "end": 1059.12}, {"text": "was heard as first read back in um September 3rd and then again on", "start": 1059.12, "end": 1066.12}, {"text": "September 24th and then after that it was given a workshop on December 10th", "start": 1066.12, "end": 1072.28}, {"text": "and then the second read was on December 17th yes so we've we've gone through", "start": 1072.28, "end": 1077.88}, {"text": "we've dotted our Crosser te's we've implemented the ordinance and we're going to enforce it Mr McDonald um any", "start": 1077.88, "end": 1086.039}, {"text": "follow-ups okay uh with that being said we'll go move to item e presentations uh", "start": 1086.039, "end": 1093.32}, {"text": "Council presentation ordinance 2025 dxx amend and restate fair housing", "start": 1093.32, "end": 1100.88}, {"text": "ordinance mayor as um staff is approaching the podium just want to give", "start": 1101.84, "end": 1106.96}, {"text": "you a brief background um this is a part of a process that we're undergoing um", "start": 1106.96, "end": 1112.28}, {"text": "our consultant who monitors the cdbg program has recommended that we U make", "start": 1112.28, "end": 1118.48}, {"text": "some policy changes so in your previous meetings and then again today you'll notice one of those policy changes and", "start": 1118.48, "end": 1125.44}, {"text": "Miss Gonzalez will be presenting thank you ma'am good morning city council my name", "start": 1125.44, "end": 1131.6}, {"text": "is Jacqueline Gonzalez I'm with the Community Development Department I have my consultant with me Antonio Jenkins if", "start": 1131.6, "end": 1137.36}, {"text": "you have any questions afterwards but we're here to talk about the fair housing code to give you a little background", "start": 1137.36, "end": 1144.24}, {"text": "about Fair Housing Act um in 1968 known as title 8 of the Civil Rights Act of", "start": 1144.24, "end": 1150.24}, {"text": "1968 a federal law that prohibits discrimination and housing based on certain protected classes such as race", "start": 1150.24, "end": 1157.44}, {"text": "color religion national origin sex disability and familiar", "start": 1157.44, "end": 1162.679}, {"text": "status in keeping with the United States of America Spirit of the constitution for the State of Florida city of pal", "start": 1162.679, "end": 1168.88}, {"text": "Coast adopted the fair housing code to promote fair housing orderly and lawful", "start": 1168.88, "end": 1174.64}, {"text": "procedures and opportunities for people Desiring to obtain housing in this jurisdiction without", "start": 1174.64, "end": 1180.76}, {"text": "discrimination this enabled the city in 2005 to apply for the available Federal", "start": 1180.76, "end": 1185.88}, {"text": "grant funding the Community Development block grant program through the", "start": 1185.88, "end": 1191.4}, {"text": "20053 city of Palm Co Fair Housing code the Fair Housing Act of 1968 and", "start": 1191.4, "end": 1198.72}, {"text": "Community Development block grant program are connected in several ways first of all we have to affirmatively", "start": 1198.72, "end": 1204.76}, {"text": "further fair housing in the city of Palm Coast the cdbg guarantee which would be", "start": 1204.76, "end": 1210.08}, {"text": "us must airly further fair housing which means that we must make action to overcome barriers to fair housing and", "start": 1210.08, "end": 1216.88}, {"text": "promote inclusive communities second we must do um", "start": 1216.88, "end": 1221.919}, {"text": "non-discrimination as a guarantee we must ensure that housing assistance by cdbg funds is available without", "start": 1221.919, "end": 1228.159}, {"text": "discrimination we must be in compliance as a guarantee to ensure that the contractors and the", "start": 1228.159, "end": 1234.44}, {"text": "subcontractors also comply with the fair housing requirements then as a part of the cdbg program we have to do data", "start": 1234.44, "end": 1241.6}, {"text": "collection that means collect the demographics and the community conditions to understand disparities and", "start": 1241.6, "end": 1247.88}, {"text": "how they impact our residents we recently went through and", "start": 1247.88, "end": 1253.32}, {"text": "updated our fair housing code to make the changes as US Department of Housing and Urban Development Fair um Housing", "start": 1253.32, "end": 1259.88}, {"text": "Act has made changes recently there were two new 10 new definitions added to", "start": 1259.88, "end": 1266}, {"text": "provide clarification and the intent of the terms meaning Fair Housing Act that", 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1311.08, "end": 1319.679}, {"text": "uh anyone have public comment concerning this presentation seeing no one come forward", "start": 1319.679, "end": 1326.679}, {"text": "we'll come back to the DI what's the next step in this Jackie Miss Jackie it would be brought before the board for", "start": 1326.679, "end": 1331.84}, {"text": "first reading to accept um the recommendation to replace and repeal the Fair Housing Act okay um one question", "start": 1331.84, "end": 1338.72}, {"text": "that someone asked me what historically what has been the results for the city under under this under this", "start": 1338.72, "end": 1345.36}, {"text": "law and and our following the process I mean it enables us to be able to apply", "start": 1345.36, "end": 1351.24}, {"text": "for grant funding federal grants that are out there and historically we have received money from this as a part of it", "start": 1351.24, "end": 1357.4}, {"text": "and it is a part of the rec um recommendations of our 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"Initiative Program partn partnership dang almost got it um the ahx review highlighted several", "start": 1512.44, "end": 1521.48}, {"text": "housing challenges in our community many renters and homeowners", "start": 1521.48, "end": 1527.52}, {"text": "are cost Bur bured with a significant number spending more than 35% of their income on housing 35% being the National", "start": 1527.52, "end": 1536.279}, {"text": "Standard for affordability thresholds the County's housing stock is aging and there is a lack of new", "start": 1536.279, "end": 1542.76}, {"text": "affordable rental and multif family developments in our community I'm sorry to interrupt has", "start": 1542.76, "end": 1549.399}, {"text": "that gone up because I was always under the impression it was 30% so it's 35% it", "start": 1549.399, "end": 1555.2}, {"text": "is yes it's you'll get a number in that range to 35 yeah I mean there's", "start": 1555.2, "end": 1560.88}, {"text": "differing perspectives but in general yes 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or implementation plans must be written", "start": 1607.88, "end": 1614.44}, {"text": "into our joint local housing assistance plan by May of this", "start": 1614.44, "end": 1619.919}, {"text": "year a timeline for implementing adopted recommendations such as Drafting and accessory dwelling unit ordinance by 2", "start": 1619.919, "end": 1627.679}, {"text": "quarter 25 for example should be presented to the committee in the first quarter of this year so we hope to have", "start": 1627.679, "end": 1635.159}, {"text": "uh timelines and goals to the committee in the coming meetings the ahck will monitor", "start": 1635.159, "end": 1642.32}, {"text": "implementation progress and provide feedback to ensure that strategies are effective before final drafts come back", "start": 1642.32, "end": 1648.52}, {"text": "to the board or the council for adoption these recommendations have been", "start": 1648.52, "end": 1653.559}, {"text": "presented to both the board and now the city council and with 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within the housing element of the comp plans um they wanted uh for the comprehens a plan", "start": 2025.2, "end": 2032.159}, {"text": "review to prioritize affordable housing for lower to Middle inome households and to prioritize mixed use", "start": 2032.159, "end": 2040.039}, {"text": "developments and skill building opportunities within the housing element of the comp plan during the", "start": 2040.039, "end": 2046.08}, {"text": "comprehensive plan process uh prioritize mixed use affordable housing developments that include space for", "start": 2046.08, "end": 2053.118}, {"text": "small businesses educational facilities or vocational training", "start": 2053.119, "end": 2059.679}, {"text": "centers and lastly um they are submitting a challenge to the building", "start": 2059.679, "end": 2066.118}, {"text": "departments um but they ask ask them to identify sustainable design principles", "start": 2066.119, "end": 2071.48}, {"text": "for affordable housing um identify current 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"about this because uh it leads me to believe that someone could put uh", "start": 2121.88, "end": 2128.56}, {"text": "say for instance I lived in okanawa Japan and I I lived in a highrise eight story high-rise but I overlooked the", "start": 2128.56, "end": 2135}, {"text": "parking lot next to that parking lot was um Airbnb uh it was they took sealed", "start": 2135, "end": 2141.92}, {"text": "containers and they turned them into living spaces for people that were on the Move traveling the world and stuff", "start": 2141.92, "end": 2147.64}, {"text": "like that I don't want anything like this in our backyards at all and um this", "start": 2147.64, "end": 2153.599}, {"text": "I don't I can't say that I much agree with that at all do you can you elaborate on that a little", "start": 2153.599, "end": 2160}, {"text": "bit Yeah so it's talking about garage conversions we're not going to no in Palm Coast we're not going to have any", "start": 2160.359, "end": 2166.56}, {"text": "garages con con converted into Living Spaces no no this this uh request is for", "start": 2166.56, "end": 2173.599}, {"text": "it to be consistent with local codes and and accessory dwelling units are recommended at the state level they", "start": 2173.599, "end": 2180.28}, {"text": "highly encourage under Florida statute to do them but they can look like internal conversions so you can build if", "start": 2180.28, "end": 2186.24}, {"text": "you say you have a split plan in your home yeah you can make part of that be like a studio apartment with a full", "start": 2186.24, "end": 2193.079}, {"text": "kitchen and an exterior door see then were running running into the same situation we just had talking about uh", "start": 2193.079, "end": 2199.92}, {"text": "Str Str short-term rentals um that's that's my perspective does anyone have", "start": 2199.92, "end": 2205.2}, {"text": "anything to to add to that do you see what I'm seeing yes yeah I do um if I", "start": 2205.2, "end": 2212.76}, {"text": "may mayor I think the recommendation of the committee is to consider accessory dwell units overall right and to have", "start": 2212.76, "end": 2219.04}, {"text": "the city determine what parameters uh restrictions you know if they were going", "start": 2219.04, "end": 2224.92}, {"text": "to look at adopting an accessory dwelling un ordinance to develop those restrictions and parameters um the city", "start": 2224.92, "end": 2231.359}, {"text": "may have looked at this in the past or not I'm not 100% sure um it looks like Mr Papa might what you got M Papa uh", "start": 2231.359, "end": 2239.079}, {"text": "good morning mayor members of city council Jose papa for the Community Development Department and I think I just would like to give you where staff", "start": 2239.079, "end": 2246.28}, {"text": "is staff perspective on uh accessory dwelling units and some of the other", "start": 2246.28, "end": 2251.839}, {"text": "recommendations that have been provided to you today as you 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receive examples from other communities that have implemented", "start": 2634.68, "end": 2640.52}, {"text": "policies and the like and then they vote as a group on which recommendations to put forth to the county and the city um", "start": 2640.52, "end": 2648.52}, {"text": "I will add you'd asked do we have to adopt all There's an opportunity for adopting all the recommendations some or", "start": 2648.52, "end": 2656.04}, {"text": "none um at at your choice and discretion of the council um so who who has been", "start": 2656.04, "end": 2662.4}, {"text": "other than Jackie who Jackie who's been representing the city at these meetings", "start": 2662.4, "end": 2667.72}, {"text": "since uh I know I went to one you remember when I came to one ja Jackie you remember that before I was elected", "start": 2667.72, "end": 2674.48}, {"text": "so who's been representing the city other than you um since say since", "start": 2674.48, "end": 2681.16}, {"text": "October council member if I may council member Haider had been representing the city for a time um I know City staff sit", "start": 2681.16, "end": 2688.839}, {"text": "in on the meetings uh when they're available and and try and provide input from the city perspective as well when", "start": 2688.839, "end": 2694.319}, {"text": "was the last meeting of the aack November is when they met and actually", "start": 2694.319, "end": 2700.2}, {"text": "voted on these recommendations okay and Miss Haider resigned in August indeed", "start": 2700.2, "end": 2705.64}, {"text": "yes so we haven't had any other City representation on that committee other than Jackie uh yes that would be correct sir", "start": 2705.64, "end": 2713.359}, {"text": "okay all right any more discussion on the Das I have a a question", "start": 2713.359, "end": 2722.04}, {"text": "that how many uh affordable housing units do we presently have", "start": 2722.04, "end": 2727.559}, {"text": "have completed here in pal Coast that is a good question sir I'm", "start": 2727.559, "end": 2733.48}, {"text": "not sure I'm familiar with the number well and a lot of people get confused that's why I ask about the 30% and and", "start": 2733.48, "end": 2740.04}, {"text": "we just went through this the other day right city manager with uh some students over at FP FPC High School um and we", "start": 2740.04, "end": 2747}, {"text": "were talking about you know what is what is affordable housing when people think affordable housing they they think uh", "start": 2747, "end": 2752.8}, {"text": "ghettos and slums well no it's not housing is housing it's what is is your price point what you can afford uh and", "start": 2752.8, "end": 2760.079}, {"text": "and my understanding was 30% but you guys are saying 30 35% that's 35% of", "start": 2760.079, "end": 2765.76}, {"text": "your income net income if I'm not mistaken that goes towards your housing", "start": 2765.76, "end": 2771.16}, {"text": "that's to include the house the insurance your property tax all of those so a 30-year income is all that that's", "start": 2771.16, "end": 2779.24}, {"text": "what's defined as affordable housing just so the the public knows if you don't know if I'm mistaken please", "start": 2779.24, "end": 2784.839}, {"text": "correct me indeed and that also typically entails a deed restriction on the the property right so that rents or", "start": 2784.839, "end": 2791.319}, {"text": "purchase prices are kept at a certain level to remain affordable to those income when you're talking about actual", "start": 2791.319, "end": 2797.52}, {"text": "affordable housing within the community I'm talking about affordable housing for for individual right yes okay absolutely", "start": 2797.52, "end": 2805}, {"text": "um my second followup on that it if this these recommendations improved what will", "start": 2805, "end": 2811.48}, {"text": "be the increase in the total number of uh affordable housing units", "start": 2811.48, "end": 2817.68}, {"text": "uh I guess 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{"text": "the counties that is exempt because we do not have enough affordable housing units in the county um based on", "start": 2866.76, "end": 2873}, {"text": "information I believe pulled from the shimberg center for housing studies which is um also provided in the the", "start": 2873, "end": 2880.119}, {"text": "report where we have the different subsidized units okay uh that's it BR you got", "start": 2880.119, "end": 2886.8}, {"text": "anything else well a study uh cost analysis study was", "start": 2886.8, "end": 2892.64}, {"text": "mentioned uh if this is the especially in the uh the addition uh you know tax", "start": 2892.64, "end": 2899.96}, {"text": "units uh garage conversions etc etc if that's not required then why are we", "start": 2899.96, "end": 2905.96}, {"text": "going to pay money to do a study on something that may not be", "start": 2905.96, "end": 2912.52}, {"text": "required again I think that would be up to the city to determine if that's a a", "start": 2914.24, "end": 2919.72}, {"text": "policy and housing type that they wish to pursue and uh with with that you know", "start": 2919.72, "end": 2926.16}, {"text": "put put effort and resources behind that um you know again there's a variety of", "start": 2926.16, "end": 2932.319}, {"text": "different uh Solutions right mixed use development accessory units uh small", "start": 2932.319, "end": 2938.559}, {"text": "homes I mean there's a a menu of different opportunities that are recommended across the state and this is", "start": 2938.559, "end": 2945.2}, {"text": "one that rang uh home for the committee um as far as something that could", "start": 2945.2, "end": 2951.799}, {"text": "potentially be implemented so again it's at the city's decision and discretion if that's something that that's pursued", "start": 2951.799, "end": 2958.04}, {"text": "there or not okay thank you Mr Mayor go right um I think Rey mentioned the study", "start": 2958.04, "end": 2966.04}, {"text": "uh as part of of the overall comprehensive plan analysis moving forward um am I right on that Rey yes", "start": 2966.04, "end": 2973.72}, {"text": "sir okay so that's I think we're already doing a study I think they might incorporate some of these factors in", "start": 2973.72, "end": 2980.04}, {"text": "there as part of our overall comprehensive plan but um I agree with", "start": 2980.04, "end": 2985.119}, {"text": "you we don't you just need to be doing study just to do a study but if we're already doing one that we're already", "start": 2985.119, "end": 2990.44}, {"text": "taking a look at you know the the Strategic picture as part of the comprehensive plan do we look at some of", "start": 2990.44, "end": 2996.48}, {"text": "these options and whether or not they fit within our city well perhaps I", "start": 2996.48, "end": 3001.64}, {"text": "misunderstood my my understanding is they were going to commission a study uh but if there's one one already", "start": 3001.64, "end": 3009.04}, {"text": "in progress then then then it is um I", "start": 3009.04, "end": 3014.68}, {"text": "don't believe it's um been started yet we need the formal adoption of the comprehensive plan it's outlined in a", "start": 3014.68, "end": 3021.28}, {"text": "policy within the comprehensive plan of doing that study so we the steps would", "start": 3021.28, "end": 3026.839}, {"text": "be um approve the comprehensive plan then we would need to go out on the street to solicit rfps for a proposal", "start": 3026.839, "end": 3033.92}, {"text": "for that study and then that study in financial would come back to council for approval Ray am I correct yeah it's a", "start": 3033.92, "end": 3040.559}, {"text": "it's a policy right now because it's a complicated issue and what works for the city yeah and and I I haven't asked this", "start": 3040.559, "end": 3047.96}, {"text": "question before uh Ray stay up there for a second if you don't mind and Mr Papa have we have we because I I'm I'm I've", "start": 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3096.52}, {"text": "consideration to that about lowering the square footage um in in some areas to", "start": 3096.52, "end": 3102.04}, {"text": "add to our diversity of housing mayor we do have policy set that could support", "start": 3102.04, "end": 3108.16}, {"text": "that and then that once the plan the comprehensive plan is adopted uh then our next step would be", "start": 3108.16, "end": 3115.079}, {"text": "the Land Development code and that's going to be you know the next process and within the Land Development code", "start": 3115.079, "end": 3121.92}, {"text": "that's where we have the the square footage the lot sizes those type of things and that's where we would be able", "start": 3121.92, "end": 3127.92}, {"text": "to make some changes um with that document well well when the one lady that had the meeting", "start": 3127.92, "end": 3133.92}, {"text": "with me I I told her specifically that's a long way off it takes a lot to get to", "start": 3133.92, "end": 3139.079}, {"text": "that point and you know in the interim is not going to help her so okay I got", "start": 3139.079, "end": 3144.88}, {"text": "it yeah once the comprehensive plan is is adopted um by state law we have one year to make those revisions to Our Land", "start": 3144.88, "end": 3152.359}, {"text": "Development code so it'll go fairly quick it'll be a lot of work we have to do okay thank you sir yep any other", "start": 3152.359, "end": 3158.64}, {"text": "questions from the dies I'm sorry Mr Miller uh yeah I just wanted to thank you guys for the presentation as well as", "start": 3158.64, "end": 3163.88}, {"text": "the work on the committee to to bring these recommendations to us um you know some of these recommendations are", "start": 3163.88, "end": 3169.799}, {"text": "specific and some are more broad um when we're talking about accessory dwelling units and things like that uh I would", "start": 3169.799, "end": 3177.64}, {"text": "prefer maybe some some data some impact what is this going to do what do we", "start": 3177.64, "end": 3182.76}, {"text": "expect it to do um it would help make the decision a little bit easier uh when", "start": 3182.76, "end": 3188.2}, {"text": "we talk about changing code to allow for different types of housing within our community uh so if we could potentially", "start": 3188.2, "end": 3196.2}, {"text": "bring that the next time so we can we can have that information for us", "start": 3196.2, "end": 3203.119}, {"text": "uh I think you know as as the mayor said um you know affordable housing gets a bad R so um I know growing up here and", "start": 3203.119, "end": 3211.119}, {"text": "having friends that grew up in the community it's difficult to find a place to afford to live here uh when you're in your your 20s you're just starting out", "start": 3211.119, "end": 3218.2}, {"text": "your career things like that so I definitely empathize with the situation and and want to work with you guys to to", "start": 3218.2, "end": 3223.319}, {"text": "fix that problem all right thank you um well any other any other comments", "start": 3223.319, "end": 3230.319}, {"text": "from the D we'll open this up for public comment", "start": 3230.319, "end": 3235.319}, {"text": "Valerie climber a vice chair of the affordable housing advisory committee I am also a resident of Palm Coast and on", "start": 3238.88, "end": 3246.2}, {"text": "the citizens advisory task force this is something I am very passionate about and I thank you guys", "start": 3246.2, "end": 3253.2}, {"text": "for listening to us these recommendations you take some you take all you take none you make that", "start": 3253.2, "end": 3260.04}, {"text": "decision I have been here since 98 I do mortgages for a living the average", "start": 3260.04, "end": 3266.68}, {"text": "teacher firefighter police officer and that make less than $50,000 a year you", "start": 3266.68, "end": 3273}, {"text": "can't afford a $300,000 home on $50,000 a year I have worked with people that", "start": 3273, "end": 3279.64}, {"text": "work at the county and work at the city combined they can't afford a home and", "start": 3279.64, "end": 3285.2}, {"text": "they have no debt most people I see today are spending more than 50% of their income", "start": 3285.2, "end": 3293.599}, {"text": "on housing as far as I I know as of this minute there is no construction for", "start": 3293.599, "end": 3302.28}, {"text": "homes for people to own in the affordable housing Arena we", "start": 3302.28, "end": 3308.44}, {"text": "keep putting up rentals which takes away from generational wealth we need to be a part of the", "start": 3308.44, "end": 3316.44}, {"text": "solution and the solution is not easy it takes many different players from", "start": 3316.44, "end": 3323.28}, {"text": "specialty Banks to Grants to loans to bringing all the right people", "start": 3323.28, "end": 3330.24}, {"text": "together but we need to start with putting some things in place we need to", 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"start": 3375.559, "end": 3382.119}, {"text": "family member living there maybe there's a happy medium to come to but we as a", "start": 3382.119, "end": 3389.4}, {"text": "city have to make a decision if we want to keep people here I know we got a lot", "start": 3389.4, "end": 3395.119}, {"text": "of people that are coming with their cash and that kind of things from up North but if we want to keep our working", "start": 3395.119, "end": 3401.319}, {"text": "people here we need to do something so", "start": 3401.319, "end": 3406.359}, {"text": "that we can keep them here and make housing affordable in Palm Coast thank you thank you ma'am and if I if I could", "start": 3406.359, "end": 3415.119}, {"text": "if if you could arrange with the staff to have a meeting with me uh I'd like to discuss about the live local act I would", "start": 3415.119, "end": 3421.88}, {"text": "like to have hear your insights on that please um any any more public", "start": 3421.88, "end": 3429.44}, {"text": "comments hello my name is Angela Smith I live in Flagler Beach the reason I came", "start": 3439.039, "end": 3444.599}, {"text": "up was to thank time for stating at the end of that discussion the perspective", "start": 3444.599, "end": 3451}, {"text": "that I don't think many of us understand because we all grew up in the reality of", "start": 3451, "end": 3456.76}, {"text": "being able to own our own homes and now we don't understand the complexities of", "start": 3456.76, "end": 3461.96}, {"text": "today's realities from the perspective of a", "start": 3461.96, "end": 3466.16}, {"text": "20-year-old to make affordable housing a reality to our American Dream the main", "start": 3467.28, "end": 3472.4}, {"text": "ingredient to affordable housing is building a healthy middle", "start": 3472.4, "end": 3480.119}, {"text": "class to serve the needed Workforce through skill building to create a", "start": 3482.079, "end": 3491.079}, {"text": "path um of financial stability thank you", "start": 3492.119, "end": 3497.2}, {"text": "thank you ma'am any any more public comments on this matter yes ma'am", "start": 3497.2, "end": 3504.838}, {"text": "my name is Mindy Melendez I'm the broker with eity the ship program has helped a lot of my buyers be able to have that", "start": 3510.88, "end": 3518}, {"text": "extra um down payment assistance without that these people can't afford to buy a", "start": 3518, "end": 3524.359}, {"text": "house we've seen the market right now go slow because their debt to income ratio is too high because the interest rates", "start": 3524.359, "end": 3530.079}, {"text": "are higher with affordable housing here in Palm Coast we would see a lot more people coming to Palm Coast being able", "start": 3530.079, "end": 3536.4}, {"text": "to afford a home here a lot of them go elsewhere go out to Bell go out to Hastings because they they can't", "start": 3536.4, "end": 3543}, {"text": "typically afford the down payment the house payment an average house payment right now is close to", "start": 3543, "end": 3549.88}, {"text": "$3,000 and a person can't afford that right now so I think it really is a good program I learned a lot about it", "start": 3549.88, "end": 3555.799}, {"text": "yesterday from Jacqueline and I'm planning on attending the meetings because I didn't know about it until I", "start": 3555.799, "end": 3561.2}, {"text": "came in here by accident for a meeting so the public doesn't know", "start": 3561.2, "end": 3566.599}, {"text": "thank you thank you ma'am thanks thank You' any other public", "start": 3566.599, "end": 3572.4}, {"text": "comments uh seeing no one come forward I'll close public comments on on this and bring it back to the Das uh ma'am I", "start": 3572.4, "end": 3578.839}, {"text": "do understand about uh multi-generational housing that that's that's a thing that's that's going on", "start": 3578.839, "end": 3584.559}, {"text": "now because the economy is so bad that um we've been multigenerational family", "start": 3584.559, "end": 3591.28}, {"text": "in our house before so I understand that that plight of people anything else", "start": 3591.28, "end": 3596.68}, {"text": "yeah I just had one quick question Mr Mayor uh so when we're talking about the adus uh the only change that you're", "start": 3596.68, "end": 3603.76}, {"text": "suggesting is to allow for that oven stove top within", "start": 3603.76, "end": 3610.4}, {"text": "there so the recommendation was just to develop an Adu ordinance so if if the", "start": 3610.52, "end": 3616.079}, {"text": "council would like to provide Insight or some sort of discretion on that that's", "start": 3616.079, "end": 3621.72}, {"text": "it's Bas it's basically an in-law suite yeah I just I would I'd like to know kind of where we at currently with our", "start": 3621.72, "end": 3627.359}, {"text": "current code and then what those asks are to change and what that impact will be that's all part of the the new", "start": 3627.359, "end": 3633.52}, {"text": "comprehensive plan which we're going to be going over that soon right city manager uh yes um we can um highlight", "start": 3633.52, "end": 3640.559}, {"text": "that in our upcoming January 28th workshop on the adus um and then a Los", "start": 3640.559, "end": 3646.559}, {"text": "also a lot of this work happens after the comprehensive plan has been adopted we do a rewrite of your Land Development", "start": 3646.559, "end": 3653.4}, {"text": "code um in a quick search of your LDC there is you know um some terminology", "start": 3653.4, "end": 3659.76}, {"text": "with adus but we don't have a specific ordinance which is referenced in their recommendation so um we will call it out", "start": 3659.76, "end": 3667.4}, {"text": "in your January 28th presentation and then some more steps to follow once we begin the LDC", "start": 3667.4, "end": 3673.24}, {"text": "rewrite thank you ma'am so Council we call to vote uh Mr May the workshop not voting", "start": 3673.24, "end": 3680.28}, {"text": "this is more just workshopping the issue giving direction to the city manager and staff so we got that direction right", "start": 3680.28, "end": 3685.44}, {"text": "we're good yes sir all right thank you all right with that being said thank you so much for coming in thank you and and", "start": 3685.44, "end": 3692.119}, {"text": "please reach out to me I would like to sit down and talk about we do live local and I am the representative for the city", "start": 3692.119, "end": 3697.88}, {"text": "for the the ahck so we will be in touch I will be at the next meeting if uh Kendra keeps me", "start": 3697.88, "end": 3704.799}, {"text": "on track see you in two weeks yes ma'am okay now we'll move into uh E3 uh", "start": 3704.799, "end": 3712.88}, {"text": "presentation on exterior building building house", "start": 3712.88, "end": 3718.2}, {"text": "colors um mayor city council just a brief introduction on this item uh this", "start": 3724.2, "end": 3730.119}, {"text": "item has been in front of city council um many times as far back as a workshop", "start": 3730.119, "end": 3737.279}, {"text": "in June of 2024 um since we do have a new city council um staff has brought", "start": 3737.279, "end": 3744.48}, {"text": "forth a comprehensive presentation and then we're really looking at your uh", "start": 3744.48, "end": 3749.799}, {"text": "guidance for next steps as we navigate this", "start": 3749.799, "end": 3755.2}, {"text": "process good morning ladies morning good", "start": 3756.92, "end": 3762.48}, {"text": "morning okay good morning mayor and city council my name is Tracy do I'm the zoning supervisor and I'm joined by", "start": 3763, "end": 3769.359}, {"text": "Barbara Gman code enforcement manager we're here to present to you a highlevel", "start": 3769.359, "end": 3774.44}, {"text": "overview regarding current Land Development code exterior color regulations and also what has been", "start": 3774.44, "end": 3780.559}, {"text": "proposed to the previous Council as far as potential changes to the code on June 11th council member Haider", "start": 3780.559, "end": 3788.2}, {"text": "requested options for new colors and city council asked that staff provide a presentation to potentially offer more", "start": 3788.2, "end": 3795.2}, {"text": "color options for residential homes and to check with the homeowners associations and surrounding", "start": 3795.2, "end": 3801.76}, {"text": "municipalities as to how they regulate color", "start": 3801.76, "end": 3807}, {"text": "the topics we will be discussing are a recap of the current code requirements", "start": 3807.039, "end": 3812.48}, {"text": "what other municipalities in the area regulate options for additional house", "start": 3812.48, "end": 3818.079}, {"text": "colors prior city council options and Direction uh PL drb and beac", "start": 3818.079, "end": 3826.52}, {"text": "recommendations so the city uses the light reflectance value lrv scale to", "start": 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the backs of color samples or in the main or in the index in the in", "start": 3882.68, "end": 3889.72}, {"text": "a fand deck the lrv can almost always be found on the web via search for paint", "start": 3889.72, "end": 3896}, {"text": "collar and manufacturer as well the lrv scale goes from zero which absorbs all", "start": 3896, "end": 3902.48}, {"text": "light and we know as black to 100 which reflects all light and we would know as", "start": 3902.48, "end": 3910.319}, {"text": "white chapter 13 of Our Land Development code addresses colors the following are sections of the", "start": 3910.72, "end": 3917.559}, {"text": "code regarding exterior colors for residential properties the city of Palm", "start": 3917.559, "end": 3922.64}, {"text": "Coast regulates exterior color of all residential buildings with the exception of properties zoned MPD which are exempt", "start": 3922.64, "end": 3930.44}, {"text": "from 13026 B1 in section 0", "start": 3930.44, "end": 3936.2}, {"text": "13026 B1 I'm sorry states that uh a light pastel", "start": 3936.2, "end": 3945.039}, {"text": "colors are acceptable colors and shall have an lrv of 80 or gr 80 or greater", "start": 3945.039, "end": 3952.96}, {"text": "Earth Tones include chains of brown Brown taupe or Sandy taupe beige", "start": 3952.96, "end": 3958.559}, {"text": "terracotta Olive sage and gray acceptable Earth Tone Shades shall have", "start": 3958.559, "end": 3964.4}, {"text": "an lrv of 25 or greater again this definition of Earth", "start": 3964.4, "end": 3969.48}, {"text": "Tones is what is in our current code not what may be found online when", "start": 3969.48, "end": 3974.559}, {"text": "researching Earth Tones accent colors are all colors except for prohibited colors and shall", "start": 3974.559, "end": 3981.2}, {"text": "only be applied to architectural elements except garage doors which shall", "start": 3981.2, "end": 3986.319}, {"text": "be pastel or pastel or Earth Tone colors and may have an lrv less than 25 and may", "start": 3986.319, "end": 3992.68}, {"text": "include black chapter 14 of the Land Development", "start": 3992.68, "end": 4000.359}, {"text": "code defines the prohibited colors these are the prohibited colors defined in section 1402 of the glossery of the Land", "start": 4000.359, "end": 4007.96}, {"text": "Development code a fuchsia a dark purplish red color a red with a tint of", "start": 4007.96, "end": 4013.76}, {"text": "purple or hot bright pink B magenta a dark purplish red color C purple color", "start": 4013.76, "end": 4020.72}, {"text": "combinations using Reds and blues to include colors known as Violet and D", "start": 4020.72, "end": 4026.24}, {"text": "orange color combinations using yellows and reds lacking visible brownish", "start": 4026.24, "end": 4032.92}, {"text": "Shades how do other municipalities in the area regulate color city of Flagler", "start": 4033.039, "end": 4038.64}, {"text": "Beach has no restrictions except in the overlay district there the colors are meant to be an integral an integral", "start": 4038.64, "end": 4045.16}, {"text": "element of the design and should create visual order vanel has no restrictions", "start": 4045.16, "end": 4050.839}, {"text": "Port Orange color shall be Earth Tones and pastels the selection of Earth ton shall be in accordance with the", "start": 4050.839, "end": 4057.079}, {"text": "definition provided in the code the selection of pastels shall be limited to those colors having a minimum white", "start": 4057.079, "end": 4063.64}, {"text": "content of 90% the city of Daytona Beach Shores", "start": 4063.64, "end": 4070.119}, {"text": "Earth Tones and pastels are preferred the city of Orman Beach Earth Tones and pastels are required and the City of", "start": 4070.119, "end": 4077.48}, {"text": "Deltona has no regulations for existing owner occupied properties however new", "start": 4077.48, "end": 4082.72}, {"text": "construction requires muted Earth Tones how do some of the mpds regulate", "start": 4082.72, "end": 4090.039}, {"text": "color most of the local MPD mpds regulate colors via review process by", "start": 4090.039, "end": 4095.64}, {"text": "their individual homeowners associations subdivisions such as Grand Haven Park Place Palm Coast Plantation", "start": 4095.64, "end": 4103.318}, {"text": "and hammock Dunes are examples of this their hoa's review process uses lrv", "start": 4103.319, "end": 4110.12}, {"text": "Earth Tone and prohibited colors to determine approval many of the new mpds", "start": 4110.12, "end": 4115.278}, {"text": "within the city have sent their color selection pallets to zoning staff for a cursory review to make sure they are not", "start": 4115.279, "end": 4121.88}, {"text": "using prohibited colors in June of 2024 city council", "start": 4121.88, "end": 4128.359}, {"text": "requested that staff propose options to explain the color regulations for residential", "start": 4128.359, "end": 4134.12}, {"text": "housing and staff created a new category of proposed colors and called them light", "start": 4134.12, "end": 4140.56}, {"text": "light Bermuda colors for Council consideration the LI peruta colors are", "start": 4140.56, "end": 4146.12}, {"text": "additional colors not currently allowed and are peaches pinks lavenders blues", "start": 4146.12, "end": 4152.359}, {"text": "and and any greens with an lrv of 65 or greater currently none of these colors", "start": 4152.359, "end": 4158.64}, {"text": "are allowed unless they meet the pastel requirement with an lrv of 80 or greater", "start": 4158.64, "end": 4164.52}, {"text": "with the exception of stage and olive green as those are both defined as Earth Tones and since our computer screens and", "start": 4164.52, "end": 4172.12}, {"text": "TV monitors don't accurate accurately depict the colors that are shown on the", "start": 4172.12, "end": 4177.278}, {"text": "following slides I've included an envelope for you all um which has the original swatches 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"Workshop uh keep the Land Development code AS is uh both the beac and plld drb", "start": 4334.04, "end": 4341.719}, {"text": "recommended adding the new colors and to amend the color and to amend the code to", "start": 4341.719, "end": 4346.88}, {"text": "allow the additional colors as presented and the plld RB also recommended adding", "start": 4346.88, "end": 4353.08}, {"text": "yellow to the list of prohibited colors Council directive from the", "start": 4353.08, "end": 4358.88}, {"text": "November 12th Workshop was to amend the code to allow the additional colors", "start": 4358.88, "end": 4364.4}, {"text": "presented as the light permuta colors and to add yellow to the list of prohibited", "start": 4364.4, "end": 4370.44}, {"text": "colors uh staff is requesting that this Council provide Direction to either", "start": 4370.44, "end": 4375.88}, {"text": "uphold the directive from the November 12 24 city council Workshop to amend the", "start": 4375.88, "end": 4381.679}, {"text": "code and to add the light Bermuda colors and to add yellow to the prohibited colors make no changes to the col", "start": 4381.679, "end": 4389.239}, {"text": "current Land Development code or to consider other options as you would direct", "start": 4389.239, "end": 4396.198}, {"text": "us it that's it U okay any questions from the dice", "start": 4398.4, "end": 4406.199}, {"text": "yeah I do Mr Mayor uh why why yellow I had the same", "start": 4406.199, "end": 4413.56}, {"text": "question why yellow why why yellow why was yellow added to the to the list of", "start": 4414.48, "end": 4419.639}, {"text": "theyy for whatever reason they just thought yellows were too too bright and", "start": 4419.639, "end": 4425.08}, {"text": "if they were right now they would they're allowed as a pastel so anything o with", "start": 4425.08, "end": 4430.719}, {"text": "an 8 or over as a yellow would still be allowed they they just have been doing research potentially and", "start": 4430.719, "end": 4438.52}, {"text": "saw that the yellows that were lighter colors were too bright and would be too", "start": 4438.52, "end": 4443.719}, {"text": "loud is I what's the color of this building outside is it this color is considered terracotta tan does that does", "start": 4443.719, "end": 4452.04}, {"text": "that meet the requirements yeah yes thisor this building is terracotta okay so I'm just asking there's two actually", "start": 4452.04, "end": 4457.96}, {"text": "there's a dark color and a but yeah I just looked at it on on on my city phone", "start": 4457.96, "end": 4463.08}, {"text": "here um but I was just asking you know was used to determine the the addition of yellow and and the other colors you", "start": 4463.08, "end": 4469}, {"text": "know what's the requirement basically and so um was it a feeling from you know the uh", "start": 4469, "end": 4478.679}, {"text": "the the board to to present that or was it was it based on it was not something", "start": 4478.679, "end": 4483.76}, {"text": "that we had presented to them it was something that they had suggested to us in at at the planning and I think it", "start": 4483.76, "end": 4491.12}, {"text": "was plrb okay all right just asking what was the the foundational reason for for", "start": 4491.12, "end": 4497.36}, {"text": "that color okay thank you yellow has nothing to do with lrv", "start": 4497.36, "end": 4502.84}, {"text": "right that house looked like it was the lighter color the more it reflects right", "start": 4502.84, "end": 4509.44}, {"text": "yellow it's just yes so I know colors are a bit complicated um so pretty much", "start": 4509.44, "end": 4517.44}, {"text": "any color that has a light reflective value of 80 or greater is considered a", "start": 4517.44, "end": 4522.92}, {"text": "light pastel and you could paint your house any color cuz it's it's they're mostly white you know with the with the", "start": 4522.92, "end": 4529.52}, {"text": "80 it has a lot of white in it so anything 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but added", "start": 4578.52, "end": 4584.44}, {"text": "additional colors that are allowed right now all right thank you uh and it doesn't affect trim colors accent colors", "start": 4584.44, "end": 4592.48}, {"text": "correct we kept accent colors as they are I think you even say said you can paint your garage black that is correct", "start": 4592.48, "end": 4598.8}, {"text": "okay you got something yeah just for the sake of discussion just wanted to um say you know in terms of restricting colors", "start": 4598.8, "end": 4607.04}, {"text": "on houses i' fall more in the non-restricted category here I think it's people's personal property and", "start": 4607.04, "end": 4613.48}, {"text": "their decisions to make and what I think is great other people don't and vice versa um also what is popular today is", "start": 4613.48, "end": 4621.639}, {"text": "not popular 30 years from now so having to constantly revise color schemes based on popularity um seems to me honorous um", "start": 4621.639, "end": 4630.639}, {"text": "but yeah so and and people site whether it it brings down property values and", "start": 4630.639, "end": 4637.159}, {"text": "things like that to have different colors and I've never seen any data to support that so if that is the case um", "start": 4637.159, "end": 4644.96}, {"text": "I'd like to see that data otherwise um it seems to me that it's kind of a personal preference uh kind of decision", "start": 4644.96, "end": 4652}, {"text": "here don't want to be too offensive and affect other people's and I understand", "start": 4652, "end": 4657.44}, {"text": "you know certain colors that obviously are are very uh hard to digest let's put", "start": 4657.44, "end": 4663.36}, {"text": "it that way well I have a different perspective too because I own a a paint business I'm I'm not painting much", "start": 4663.36, "end": 4668.76}, {"text": "anymore but I have seen houses that are painted really dark like a dark brown", "start": 4668.76, "end": 4673.88}, {"text": "and they fade the purple purple because the Florida Sun beats paint up so um but", "start": 4673.88, "end": 4680.639}, {"text": "so your recommendations are well I'm sorry any other comments from the dies", "start": 4680.639, "end": 4687.32}, {"text": "yeah go ahead these five packets that that we have here are I'm a little", "start": 4687.32, "end": 4693.48}, {"text": "confused are they the prohibited colors these are the OK colors these are the", "start": 4693.48, "end": 4699.84}, {"text": "ones that we're proposing to add so and these are only from one paint manufacturer so", "start": 4699.84, "end": 4705.56}, {"text": "these any paint manufacturer as long as the color has a light reflective value", "start": 4705.56, "end": 4711.88}, {"text": "of a 65 or higher any paint manufacturer could make the peaches the the greens", "start": 4711.88, "end": 4718.12}, {"text": "the BL you know the blues the you know the colors that we're proposing so it's just I I got samples from one paint", "start": 4718.12, "end": 4724.92}, {"text": "manufacturer just because it was easiest for us to grab a bunch okay and and the", "start": 4724.92, "end": 4731.679}, {"text": "Bahama the addition of the Bahama like light or light Bermuda colors is that is", "start": 4731.679, "end": 4738.52}, {"text": "there a packet that shows those colors that's what those are sir Blues those are the ones that we're proposing to add", "start": 4738.52, "end": 4744.92}, {"text": "those are the light Bermuda Colors oh okay thank you you're welcome yeah the", "start": 4744.92, "end": 4750.56}, {"text": "the joke in our family is there's two colors in Palm Coast Palm Coast Tan and Palm Coast gray and I was wrong though", "start": 4750.56, "end": 4758.12}, {"text": "city manager that the color of the year last year for external paint colors was a gray aloof gray I think so uh no", "start": 4758.12, "end": 4767.719}, {"text": "further questions from the Das I'm sorry no I just think um you know orange and", "start": 4767.719, "end": 4773.32}, {"text": "blue are great colors for for houses but what do I know goodness gracious I have an orange I have an orange house around", "start": 4773.32, "end": 4778.92}, {"text": "the corner for me any other discussion from the Das uh public comment", "start": 4778.92, "end": 4785.04}, {"text": "please Robert Mcdonald Palm Coast I live in a Kovac and there's two vacant", "start": 4791.08, "end": 4797.719}, {"text": "lots that are no longer vacant they're building houses on these two vacant Lots", "start": 4797.719, "end": 4803.52}, {"text": "so I said to the Builder when all this is said and done how much is this house going to go for he said between $350 and", "start": 4803.52, "end": 4813.48}, {"text": "$400,000 H so I'm going to come along and spend $400,000 to buy a brand new", "start": 4813.48, "end": 4820.239}, {"text": "house and some committee is going to tell me what color I can paint my house", "start": 4820.239, "end": 4827}, {"text": "it's my house does that mean next that the the city is going to come up with an", "start": 4827, "end": 4833.32}, {"text": "ordinance says well what kind of a car can you have in your driveway or what color car can you have in your driveway", "start": 4833.32, "end": 4839.88}, {"text": "no this is my house and as long as I'm abiding by all the rules of code", "start": 4839.88, "end": 4846.239}, {"text": "enforcement and everything else what differences it make what color", "start": 4846.239, "end": 4852.32}, {"text": "the house is but my next question is again we go", "start": 4852.32, "end": 4857.84}, {"text": "back to code enforcement with these new", "start": 4857.84, "end": 4862.84}, {"text": "airbnbs who's going to inspect so now you want code enforcement to ride up and", "start": 4863.4, "end": 4869.04}, {"text": "down the street and say oh wait a minute that house is the wrong color that house is the wrong color no no no no no you we", "start": 4869.04, "end": 4877.36}, {"text": "are a proactive", "start": 4877.36, "end": 4882.48}, {"text": "city code enforcement could go up and down and see 15 violations but unless", "start": 4882.48, "end": 4889.679}, {"text": "they get notified that there's a violation they're not going to really stop I love them dearly but they're not", "start": 4889.679, "end": 4895.96}, {"text": "going to stop so now we go back to the color again Mr Mayor you buy a", "start": 4895.96, "end": 4903.6}, {"text": "house nobody who's going to enforce what color your house has to be well the", "start": 4903.6, "end": 4911.36}, {"text": "house is gray well maybe Gray is not an acceptable color well that's tough I", "start": 4911.36, "end": 4918.08}, {"text": "want a gray house you can go up and down any Street in the city of Palm Coast and", "start": 4918.08, "end": 4923.679}, {"text": "you'll never see two two houses the same color why", "start": 4923.679, "end": 4929.4}, {"text": "because there's a flag flying right behind you that says I can paint my house any color I want because this is", "start": 4929.4, "end": 4935.6}, {"text": "the United States of America how dare you come up and tell me that I can't", "start": 4935.6, "end": 4941.4}, {"text": "paint my house that I own and I pay your taxes and I pay your salary how dare you", "start": 4941.4, "end": 4946.76}, {"text": "tell me that I can't paint it the color that I want to Painted granted I wouldn't want to see a purple house next", "start": 4946.76, "end": 4953.56}, {"text": "to me either but you know what that may be the color that his wife", "start": 4953.56, "end": 4959.52}, {"text": "likes so guess what how dare you come up and tell the residents of this city", "start": 4959.52, "end": 4965.159}, {"text": "after spending $400,000 that you can't paint the the house your color shame on you thank you", "start": 4965.159, "end": 4973.199}, {"text": "sir yes", "start": 4973.199, "end": 4976.44}, {"text": "ma hi my name is Mindy Melendez I'm the problem child my house is blue it's navy", "start": 4983.8, "end": 4989.56}, {"text": "blue it's been navy blue for a year nothing has drastically happened um it", "start": 4989.56, "end": 4994.88}, {"text": "hasn't faded um I liked it blue I called the city and said hey what are the", "start": 4994.88, "end": 5001.44}, {"text": "stipulations because I'm I'm a broker I'm a real estate agent sold houses I've never dealt with this before they told", "start": 5001.44, "end": 5007.719}, {"text": "me Earth Tone I looked up the Earth Tones blue is an Earth Tone so we painted our house blue and then somebody", "start": 5007.719, "end": 5015.32}, {"text": "down the street 10 houses down asked how I got my house blue and called the city so that's how", "start": 5015.32, "end": 5021.4}, {"text": "this all began um I am asking you guys to if nothing else look at my house", "start": 5021.4, "end": 5027.239}, {"text": "color and put it within the ordinance that it's an okay color um I went", "start": 5027.239, "end": 5033.48}, {"text": "through they looked and went One Direction on the chart on the lrvs but", "start": 5033.48, "end": 5038.8}, {"text": "they didn't pull up the other direction I", "start": 5038.8, "end": 5045.6}, {"text": "went and got the paint colors had my assistant help me and pulled up the", "start": 5045.6, "end": 5051.08}, {"text": "other direction if they would have gone the other direction my house would have been included but they only went one", "start": 5051.08, "end": 5057.48}, {"text": "direction I've ran around because I drive around the city this house was", "start": 5057.48, "end": 5063.88}, {"text": "approved approved by a formal person they have", "start": 5063.88, "end": 5068.92}, {"text": "the approval and it's been like that for a long time this is another house in the", "start": 5068.92, "end": 5075}, {"text": "city this is another house it doesn't bother me that you paint your house", "start": 5075, "end": 5080.199}, {"text": "whatever color you want this is our money that we put into our house we bought a foreclosed house we added on", "start": 5080.199, "end": 5087.8}, {"text": "and that's our life savings for our children I painted it blue and white and", "start": 5087.8, "end": 5094.04}, {"text": "here we we are today so that's my my take I just want you to look at my color and approve it so I can stop coming to", "start": 5094.04, "end": 5102}, {"text": "these meetings for the paint colors thank you I appreciate your time", "start": 5102, "end": 5107.28}, {"text": "thank you ma'am um any more public comments seeing no one come forward I'll", "start": 5107.28, "end": 5114.36}, {"text": "bring it back to the Das so what do you", "start": 5114.36, "end": 5118.96}, {"text": "think what are what are the other prohibited colors I uh oh there's plenty", "start": 5119.679, "end": 5125.6}, {"text": "of them so the list is long those were the ones the ones that", "start": 5125.6, "end": 5131.159}, {"text": "are actually in the code that I read to you um earlier get to the", "start": 5131.159, "end": 5136.96}, {"text": "slide um the ones that are actually defined are fuchia magenta purple and", "start": 5136.96, "end": 5143.96}, {"text": "orange and the consideration is to add yellow to that list as the for one of forbidden", "start": 5143.96, "end": 5150.92}, {"text": "that's one of the boards under 65 over under 80 under 80 okay", "start": 5150.92, "end": 5160.8}, {"text": "um Mr Gman how many calls do we get on average a year about complaints about house colors", "start": 5160.8, "end": 5169.44}, {"text": "just ball park it if you could it is minimal until it's a color", "start": 5169.44, "end": 5177.96}, {"text": "that's um offensive to their neighbors a lot of times that's what it is yes because it's it's complain driven um and", "start": 5177.96, "end": 5186.199}, {"text": "it may be a color that you know and then what we do is we check to make sure that it meets the lrv and uh this has nothing to do within", "start": 5186.199, "end": 5194.719}, {"text": "uh cdds or HOAs they regulate their own colors that is correct uh I helped a", "start": 5194.719, "end": 5201.639}, {"text": "friend of mine paint his house and he one of their acceptable colors was yellow but after he got it painted you", "start": 5201.639, "end": 5208.28}, {"text": "know we were putting accents color colors on uh one of the ladies that sit on the HOA board comes by and said", "start": 5208.28, "end": 5214.08}, {"text": "that's that's a horrible color well it's in your pallet and he's got a yellow house now so uh I personally you", "start": 5214.08, "end": 5223.8}, {"text": "know I say we get rid of it get rid of it all together paint your house whatever color you", "start": 5223.8, "end": 5229.96}, {"text": "want I I would agree with that Mr Mayor um I know", "start": 5229.96, "end": 5235.44}, {"text": "there's some colors that we do have band so your proposal would be magenta fuchsia whatever all allowed yeah what", "start": 5235.44, "end": 5243.52}, {"text": "do what do you got thing let's let's make a decision on this yeah so I'm in the same camp as both you Mr Mayor and", "start": 5243.52, "end": 5250}, {"text": "and councilman Miller I just um yeah some of the colors may be offensive but", "start": 5250, "end": 5256.36}, {"text": "I agree with some of the comments that uh you know were presented here and so", "start": 5256.36, "end": 5261.8}, {"text": "um Ray I don't know where you stand I think we should leave it as it is um and", "start": 5261.8, "end": 5269}, {"text": "add yellow under IIT it 80 was it mhm", "start": 5269, "end": 5276}, {"text": "because if we go to change it and if we do change it it's only going to encourage people to come up and make", "start": 5276, "end": 5282.92}, {"text": "complaints about the color and we're going to be back to square one like we were with the short-term rental housing", "start": 5282.92, "end": 5289.32}, {"text": "and we're going to be kicking this around if if Miss Gman says there are few complaints there complaint", "start": 5289.32, "end": 5296.6}, {"text": "generated I think we should just my my opinion is leave it as it is well you", "start": 5296.6, "end": 5301.92}, {"text": "also have to consider that the reason that there probably fewer complaints is", "start": 5301.92, "end": 5307.76}, {"text": "because people are abiding by the regulation the color pallets so that could be you", "start": 5307.76, "end": 5314.639}, {"text": "know but this we're we're not finalizing anything here we're just just discussion", "start": 5314.639, "end": 5320.88}, {"text": "so um I really have I don't have a problem with yellow um but when it comes back when we finalize this you know", "start": 5320.88, "end": 5327.52}, {"text": "that's just something to think about and we could just scrap it all together and move forward in the when we do new Land", "start": 5327.52, "end": 5334.6}, {"text": "Development code you know fuchsia magenta purple orange I have a orange house right they just painted his house", "start": 5334.6, "end": 5342.239}, {"text": "it's at the corner of uh a complaint Lima Lane Lima Lane and", "start": 5342.239, "end": 5349.56}, {"text": "Lee right off to the left front when I'm coming out of my neighborhood it's orange and the accents are white you", "start": 5349.56, "end": 5355.36}, {"text": "know it's ugly but I don't have to live next to it and you know it's their house but um is that it we'll we'll we'll", "start": 5355.36, "end": 5362.199}, {"text": "further discuss this this is no well we would City staff would need direction on what this Council would like us like", "start": 5362.199, "end": 5368.32}, {"text": "them to do take any action take no action uh just discuss that's kind of where we're at right now so okay", "start": 5368.32, "end": 5376.239}, {"text": "so well here if I can get consensus keep keep the band colors", "start": 5376.239, "end": 5381.8}, {"text": "fuchsia magenta purple orange and scrap the rest of it so the", "start": 5381.8, "end": 5388.36}, {"text": "lrv requirements essentially well no that it has to be within well that's the", "start": 5388.36, "end": 5393.48}, {"text": "problem is cuz once you're doing essentially it's you're allowing darker colors by removing the L well that's", "start": 5393.48, "end": 5399.96}, {"text": "what people want too they want to paint a lot of people from are from up up north and I'm sure this couple is and", "start": 5399.96, "end": 5407.04}, {"text": "they like they like a darker color house and that's like I don't know uh Cape Cod", "start": 5407.04, "end": 5412.96}, {"text": "colors and stuff like that I I I I really don't know but I'll stay out of it you guys decide", "start": 5412.96, "end": 5420.239}, {"text": "what you want to do because I'm an actual painter so um what do you think yeah to me I think the lrv restrictions", "start": 5420.239, "end": 5427.719}, {"text": "are kind of the the culprit here not necessarily deciding which color should", "start": 5427.719, "end": 5432.8}, {"text": "be fully banned and not um I think some people want different shades of of Blues", "start": 5432.8, "end": 5439.48}, {"text": "and darker lighter um and again I kind of fall back to who am I to tell somebody what they can paint their house", "start": 5439.48, "end": 5445.56}, {"text": "there you know the cost of painting a large house is uh is a lot of money you know so so people are putting money into", "start": 5445.56, "end": 5451.8}, {"text": "this and it's the home that they're living in so I I don't want to tell them you know hey I don't like that color so", "start": 5451.8, "end": 5458.04}, {"text": "therefore you can't have that color um I think it should be based on what they would like so you're saying scrap the", "start": 5458.04, "end": 5463.76}, {"text": "lrv is that what you're saying that's that would be that would be what I would recommend one because a lot of the paint", "start": 5463.76, "end": 5470.04}, {"text": "colors you can't get because of the lrv the lrv is going to be is not going to", "start": 5470.04, "end": 5475.44}, {"text": "reflect as much and the recommendation to go to 65 is in the right direction um", "start": 5475.44, "end": 5480.52}, {"text": "you know 80 is fairly restrictive uh but again they're they're great looking very", "start": 5480.52, "end": 5486.8}, {"text": "dark houses out there in my opinion um there's also approved colors that I think don't look that good um so again I", "start": 5486.8, "end": 5494.84}, {"text": "think it's all opinion based and I don't want to be the one to it's really", "start": 5494.84, "end": 5500.08}, {"text": "subjective uh Ray you had something to add no sir I mean I was just going to sit here to make sure you know have", "start": 5500.08, "end": 5506.04}, {"text": "discussion with them to make sure we have clear Direction okay so we we go", "start": 5506.04, "end": 5511.6}, {"text": "keep the band colors and uh allow lrv of 65 is it 65 from 85", "start": 5511.6, "end": 5519.92}, {"text": "to 65 it was 80 to 65 on those spe those five specific the green the peach the", "start": 5519.92, "end": 5527.04}, {"text": "lavender the blue and what was the other one um oh green", "start": 5527.04, "end": 5534.119}, {"text": "green um so right now all those colors right so in those families right there", "start": 5536.6, "end": 5542.92}, {"text": "none of those are lowed unless they're over an 80 okay so we're recommending", "start": 5542.92, "end": 5548.88}, {"text": "adding letting the city have more color but with with the you know caveat it", "start": 5548.88, "end": 5555.88}, {"text": "being the light reflective value being a 65 or greater okay so this option number", "start": 5555.88, "end": 5561.679}, {"text": "one of poll City council's directive from the November 12th 2024 Workshop uh to add additional light", "start": 5561.679, "end": 5569.679}, {"text": "Bermuda colors that that's what's in the envelope that you gave me I personally don't see anything that is offensive", "start": 5569.679, "end": 5575.96}, {"text": "there so if maybe I misspoke myself I think I would if I had to commit right", "start": 5575.96, "end": 5581.679}, {"text": "now I would uh like to go along with the U option number one up PO uh City", "start": 5581.679, "end": 5589.52}, {"text": "council's directive uh from the TW November 12 24 meeting so um I think", "start": 5589.52, "end": 5596.6}, {"text": "that Mak it makes sense to me and it's uh it's allowing more colors the the", "start": 5596.6, "end": 5601.96}, {"text": "light Bermuda colors what a but a restricted restricted reflective", "start": 5601.96, "end": 5607.4}, {"text": "value that's my position okay so we're going with uphold", "start": 5607.4, "end": 5612.52}, {"text": "the city council's directed from November 12th 2024 amending colors Li permutas colors as represented and", "start": 5612.52, "end": 5620.32}, {"text": "adding yellow as a prohibited color as recommended by the pl PL", "start": 5620.32, "end": 5626.119}, {"text": "pldd RB is that it yeah yes that's it", "start": 5626.119, "end": 5631.4}, {"text": "all right everybody good with that wait can I say something real quick coms close I I I would like to", "start": 5631.4, "end": 5638.92}, {"text": "know the the reason behind yellow I mean I I asked that earlier I think part of", "start": 5638.92, "end": 5644.88}, {"text": "the reason behind the yellow is when you put that on a masonary building and it becomes Canary so they they stop the", "start": 5644.88, "end": 5653.52}, {"text": "limit at that 65 that's where we've come in with the with the yellows so that", "start": 5653.52, "end": 5658.88}, {"text": "when they prohibit the yellow as long as they're meeting that lrv that's already established which is which was done then", "start": 5658.88, "end": 5665.36}, {"text": "it would be okay okay but once you open up that 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{"text": "um so just so that we can try and help you through the process is you're giving", "start": 5713.639, "end": 5719.48}, {"text": "us direction that if you want to uphold the plrb recommendation then this would need to", "start": 5719.48, "end": 5726.119}, {"text": "come before you as two ordinance reads so City staff would start drafting the", "start": 5726.119, "end": 5731.679}, {"text": "language for an ordinance and then it would be on a upcoming agenda for you to", "start": 5731.679, "end": 5736.92}, {"text": "take take action so it's not here final and done kind of like the short-term rental ordinance right so we made some", "start": 5736.92, "end": 5744.32}, {"text": "modification as long as as we went along but this is just do you want us to go", "start": 5744.32, "end": 5749.44}, {"text": "the next steps which would be drafting an ordinance well I I think I think what councilman Miller is is saying is can", "start": 5749.44, "end": 5758}, {"text": "you go back to the other municipalities on the slide that that you know showed", "start": 5758, "end": 5763.199}, {"text": "what they did most of them don't have any restrictions okay so stop there", "start": 5763.199, "end": 5769.44}, {"text": "so really Ty what you're saying is go the banel", "start": 5769.44, "end": 5776.08}, {"text": "option yeah I mean unless we have some very specific colors like the ones that exist we have both color restrictions", "start": 5776.08, "end": 5783.239}, {"text": "and lrv restrictions and what I'm saying is you know maybe if there's five offensive colors um we Define those and", "start": 5783.239, "end": 5791.44}, {"text": "then everything else you know depending on how light or dark could be allowed okay you know I'm I'm willing to work to", "start": 5791.44, "end": 5798.56}, {"text": "to try to find a you know compromise here um I just think saying", "start": 5798.56, "end": 5804.56}, {"text": "that on a on a scale of 50 yellows this is where the yellows start being 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add the light Bermuda", "start": 5852.32, "end": 5858.36}, {"text": "colors we're just going to stick with what basically what we have no we would remove the restrictions so those colors", "start": 5858.36, "end": 5865.08}, {"text": "would be allowed yes we're going to remove the restrictions other than those band colors okay and there's no concern", "start": 5865.08, "end": 5871.36}, {"text": "for the lrv right because there's no there's no no specific band okay and and", "start": 5871.36, "end": 5876.679}, {"text": "so yellow so I'm sorry could if you would you guys indulge me for a minute could we ask the lady to come back up", "start": 5876.679, "end": 5883.04}, {"text": "one more time as long as there's a consensus from you guys agree with that come come back what was the lrv on ma'am", "start": 5883.04, "end": 5889.679}, {"text": "on your color what was the lrv on that blue it was like a 12 so it's like", "start": 5889.679, "end": 5895.08}, {"text": "almost non-existent it wasn't reflecting any color and they had I think five on the slide okay as well mine was on the", "start": 5895.08, "end": 5901}, {"text": "slide but it that color does not that's not my house um I know your I know your", "start": 5901, "end": 5907.04}, {"text": "house so that's my house it's a navy blue yeah", "start": 5907.04, "end": 5913.84}, {"text": "um blue is just my color yes ma'am I get it I get it and it's your house", "start": 5913.84, "end": 5920.08}, {"text": "so can we come to consensus on that no restrictions except for the band colors", "start": 5920.08, "end": 5927.199}, {"text": "no lrv and you get to paint your house what", "start": 5927.199, "end": 5932.679}, {"text": "color you want consensus I'm good with it so we will", "start": 5932.679, "end": 5941.199}, {"text": "we're waiting wasting an inordinate amount of time on paint colors we we just need to know what you", "start": 5941.199, "end": 5947.36}, {"text": "like in the ordinance draft it still has to come before you so it have to come twice so what I hear is so I can work", "start": 5947.36, "end": 5953.28}, {"text": "with staff is that do away pretty much you know accept the band colors which", "start": 5953.28, "end": 5959.28}, {"text": "staff is already tracking what the band colors are no lrv restrictions and we want us to draft an ordinance for two", "start": 5959.28, "end": 5965.28}, {"text": "reads for that that's what the direction we're getting from city council today everyone we got consensus on that the", "start": 5965.28, "end": 5972.36}, {"text": "yellow yeah I I I thank you so much and what we'll do um city manager and mayor", "start": 5972.36, "end": 5978.159}, {"text": "and council is we'll draft the ordinance and we'll take that back as ordinances get the recommendation from our pldb our", "start": 5978.159, "end": 5985.96}, {"text": "beac and then we'll bring it back to city council for first read thank you for the procedural update Ray thank as", "start": 5985.96, "end": 5992.48}, {"text": "long as long as we're not breaking any state laws you know um and I think people are are pretty reasonable people", "start": 5992.48, "end": 6000.119}, {"text": "you may have some somebody that's going to get something out there very offensive but uh you know like Mr", "start": 6000.119, "end": 6007.239}, {"text": "McDonald said we are a free country right okay with that being said we'll close that we'll close this matter and", "start": 6007.239, "end": 6013.719}, {"text": "bring it back to the DI for uh well I'm F final uh F do we have any other public", "start": 6013.719, "end": 6019.32}, {"text": "participation does anyone have anything else to say to the the city council", "start": 6019.32, "end": 6025.32}, {"text": "you're good Mr MCD you act like you want to get", "start": 6026.96, "end": 6030.8}, {"text": "up I don't want to go lay this meeting any longer let me try to understand this", "start": 6033.56, "end": 6039.92}, {"text": "way a committee is going to decide what color this late this lady that just", "start": 6039.92, "end": 6045.76}, {"text": "walked out the door she's a real estate agent so now when people want to buy a house now another question is going to", "start": 6045.76, "end": 6052.96}, {"text": "be well what color can I paint the house no sir we settled it we're going", "start": 6052.96, "end": 6058.36}, {"text": "to strike it we're not going to restrict any colors except for the band colors that we find but why even ban any colors", "start": 6058.36, "end": 6064.599}, {"text": "well but why it's a compromise Mr McDonald it's a compromise yes", "start": 6064.599, "end": 6072.639}, {"text": "okay okay so as far as we so this is", "start": 6072.639, "end": 6078}, {"text": "just going to get postponed and postponed and postponed because there's nobody in this room", "start": 6078, "end": 6083.76}, {"text": "been around here long enough years ago there was a Flagler County cop who", "start": 6083.76, "end": 6090.119}, {"text": "painted his house green because he was a cop well his neighbors went berserk", "start": 6090.119, "end": 6095.32}, {"text": "because he painted his house it was like a forest green what difference does it", "start": 6095.32, "end": 6101.76}, {"text": "make you heard Barbara Gman say right here she could probably count on one hand how many people complain about the", "start": 6101.76, "end": 6109.8}, {"text": "color of the house and again who's going to force is Code Enforcement now going", "start": 6109.8, "end": 6115.04}, {"text": "to ride up and down the street looking for houses that are the wrong color", "start": 6115.04, "end": 6120.84}, {"text": "no I mean really we have a lot more important battles to fight than fighting", "start": 6120.84, "end": 6128.36}, {"text": "and arguing about what color somebody's house should be if you can afford to", "start": 6128.36, "end": 6133.92}, {"text": "live in Palm Coast then you should be able to paint the house any color you", 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with commissioner uh", "start": 6189.119, "end": 6194.56}, {"text": "Andy dance and we approved the legislative priorities for for the", "start": 6194.56, "end": 6199.84}, {"text": "council which were resiliency housing infrastructure uh public uh camping and sleeping but", "start": 6199.84, "end": 6206.119}, {"text": "within resiliency it covers water Wastewater projects uh and also uh", "start": 6206.119, "end": 6211.76}, {"text": "infrastructure projects um uh to you know to to push a coordinated effort uh", "start": 6211.76, "end": 6218.08}, {"text": "as a region to to you know uh Lobby the legislature to ensure so our priorities", "start": 6218.08, "end": 6223.84}, {"text": "are NE nested within the you know uh the the council's priorities and so I", "start": 6223.84, "end": 6229.56}, {"text": "thought that was a good news story um also uh um as part of the", "start": 6229.56, "end": 6234.96}, {"text": "resiliency uh priority um the the northeast Florida Regional Council", 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6285.04}, {"text": "I'll be there for several days on on business but uh part of what I'm going to do while I'm there is ask for an", "start": 6285.04, "end": 6291}, {"text": "office call with Senator Scott and his team team to try to get uh him down here to uh visit our Wastewater facilities we", "start": 6291, "end": 6298.239}, {"text": "can walk him through why it's important and why uh he should support a community development project um so I'll keep you", "start": 6298.239, "end": 6304.8}, {"text": "posted if if those meetings do land because I think it's uh if if we can get Federal funding for a community", "start": 6304.8, "end": 6310.199}, {"text": "development project and not have to uh use other funds to do that I think it would be um uh really important and also", "start": 6310.199, "end": 6317.52}, {"text": "um so the Senate will be in session uh you know from the 3D when they were all sworn in through uh through March so uh", "start": 6317.52, "end": 6326.28}, {"text": "you know we probably won't see Senator Scott if there's an opportunity to get him down here until after um until they", "start": 6326.28, "end": 6331.4}, {"text": "have their first recess so in the interim uh Barry cotton their District director will likely come in and uh and", "start": 6331.4, "end": 6337.36}, {"text": "and visit with us as a kind of a pre-trip uh and help formulate you know what that the legislation on that", "start": 6337.36, "end": 6343.76}, {"text": "potential community development project for wastewater treatment number one would look like so so more to follow um", "start": 6343.76, "end": 6349.84}, {"text": "and uh I'll keep you guys posted as that develops thanks you got anything Mr", "start": 6349.84, "end": 6356.56}, {"text": "Miller got anything Mr Stevens no no uh oh I I did forget uh number five Florida", "start": 6356.56, "end": 6363.44}, {"text": "Gator beat number one Tennessee by 30 points this past week so just wanted to update", "start": 6363.44, "end": 6368.599}, {"text": "everybody uh for me uh Chief could could you would you mind coming up and giving us an update on Mr", "start": 6368.599, "end": 6374.96}, {"text": "Brooks um I tried to call I couldn't get through just a quick update to let", "start": 6374.96, "end": 6381.44}, {"text": "everyone in the community know how he's doing one good morning mayor and Council KY", "start": 6381.44, "end": 6388.639}, {"text": "Baro pal Coast fire chief um yes sir uh just to provide the full context um last", "start": 6388.639, "end": 6395.199}, {"text": "Tuesday evening um fire police member Steven Brooks was responded to a motor", "start": 6395.199, "end": 6400.28}, {"text": "vehicle crash and while he was uh performing his uh duties as a firep police member which generally involve um", "start": 6400.28, "end": 6409}, {"text": "providing a safe space in the scene for both traffic and often times pedestrians in a fire scene just keeping people back", "start": 6409, "end": 6415.84}, {"text": "into a safe area and while he was doing that um he was struck um by a vehicle", "start": 6415.84, "end": 6422.52}, {"text": "and uh then he was uh taken by Fireflight as a trauma alert to Halifax Medical Center in", "start": 6422.52, "end": 6429.199}, {"text": "dayona um and uh it was a real serious day not a good day for us um but very", "start": 6429.199, "end": 6435.239}, {"text": "luckily even though he suffered um significant injuries he's been downgraded from a critical status um to", "start": 6435.239, "end": 6441}, {"text": "stable and is in a uh working through some rehab stuff", "start": 6441, "end": 6446.119}, {"text": "today he's still in the hospital um and uh we were communicating during this meeting he's got uh jokes he I asked him", "start": 6446.119, "end": 6453.88}, {"text": "if there's anything I could bring him he said a book on how to get how to not get hit by cars and uh so he's a funny guy", "start": 6453.88, "end": 6460.92}, {"text": "uh he does standup comedy at the local Christy B Comedy Club I know they would both be happy for me to say that um he's", "start": 6460.92, "end": 6467.48}, {"text": "got a long road too he has several broken bones some internal injuries and he's not a young man um but he has a", "start": 6467.48, "end": 6472.679}, {"text": "great great spirit and we're uh going to be there for him all the way I really appreciate the um outpouring from this", "start": 6472.679, "end": 6479.199}, {"text": "Council um from our city staff and from our community um we just keep hearing over and over again uh people reaching", "start": 6479.199, "end": 6485.48}, {"text": "out to say is there anything we can do for them and if there is we'll let you know um but for right now um you know uh", "start": 6485.48, "end": 6491.76}, {"text": "he's uh do doing getting everything he needs so um is there any other questions", "start": 6491.76, "end": 6496.8}, {"text": "about that or can I provide any more information uh no sir but if you talk to him tell them tell him to give me a call", "start": 6496.8, "end": 6503.119}, {"text": "yes sir to talk to him yes sir we wish him all the best in his recovery absolutely thank you", "start": 6503.119, "end": 6510.599}, {"text": "um for me to close out my comment I hopefully we can get out of here by 11 o'clock um we did set up we were at the", "start": 6510.599, "end": 6518.52}, {"text": "meeting over at the the boach and we set our legislative priorities and we sat down well we sat down with a", "start": 6518.52, "end": 6524.04}, {"text": "representative Greco to set our priorities for the city hopefully hopefully the legislature will will do", "start": 6524.04, "end": 6530.44}, {"text": "us right this year and get us what we need to help out in in uh funding our capital projects uh city manager you got", "start": 6530.44, "end": 6538.36}, {"text": "anything um yes oh I'm sorry go ahead Mr Duffy my bad I have nothing Mr Mayor", "start": 6538.36, "end": 6544.199}, {"text": "thank you um of course you don't yes mayor thank you I just have a a couple of few updates um the vulnerability", "start": 6544.199, "end": 6551.96}, {"text": "assessment that you mentioned council member Gambar we're tracking that for the second Workshop in February um to be", "start": 6551.96, "end": 6559.239}, {"text": "um presented by the northeast Florida Regional Council um our team we are very", "start": 6559.239, "end": 6565.199}, {"text": "happy to win the northeast Florida Regional Council award for planning and growth management and um I just want to", "start": 6565.199, "end": 6571.639}, {"text": "Echo Ray comments at the award ceremony that not everybody got to um hear but um", "start": 6571.639, "end": 6578.44}, {"text": "on the award instead of putting a department he asked the Regional Council to put the entire city of Palm Coast", "start": 6578.44, "end": 6585.08}, {"text": "because this was not just a planning exercise but really A entire group", "start": 6585.08, "end": 6590.679}, {"text": "effort where a lot of our directors and staff members worked hard on the comprehensive plan so thank you Ry uh", "start": 6590.679, "end": 6597.4}, {"text": "for taking the time to do that in that commitment to team Palm Coast", "start": 6597.4, "end": 6602.48}, {"text": "um we also unveiled the new tennis courts at the southern Recreation Center", "start": 6602.48, "end": 6607.84}, {"text": "yesterday and a lot of happy tennis folks and we've got the women's tournament over there and just want to", "start": 6607.84, "end": 6613.4}, {"text": "commend James Hurst uh director of Parks and Recreation for doing a fantastic job he didn't get the Kudos that he deserved", "start": 6613.4, "end": 6620.119}, {"text": "yesterday on that facility so good job James um and then finally um as part of our", "start": 6620.119, "end": 6627.08}, {"text": "you know ongoing initiative with being transparent about utility issues we'll be hosting a town hall on Monday January", "start": 6627.08, "end": 6635.92}, {"text": "the 27th and I just wanted to open the invitation to any of you to participate", "start": 6635.92, "end": 6642.44}, {"text": "um I was going to lead it but happy to have any of you be there with me um and", "start": 6642.44, "end": 6647.8}, {"text": "we can talk through some of the items if you wish and just let let me know and", "start": 6647.8, "end": 6652.96}, {"text": "let Miss Kershaw know if you plan on attending um that town hall um I believe", "start": 6652.96, "end": 6658.199}, {"text": "uh last final thing is there were several comments about um turning lanes", "start": 6658.199, "end": 6664.199}, {"text": "and so we've developed a comprehensive presentation to bring to you on January the 28th as well as the Palm Harbor Golf", "start": 6664.199, "end": 6671.96}, {"text": "Course discussion on January 28th as well so that concludes my comments mayor okay thank you and I'll I'll close with", "start": 6671.96, "end": 6678.679}, {"text": "u Thursday we have the connecting Palm Coast expo at 6: p.m. at the community", "start": 6678.679, "end": 6683.719}, {"text": "center so I'm sure Britany is reaching out to the community and and she personally invited me to come say a few", "start": 6683.719, "end": 6689.28}, {"text": "words uh so hope to see everyone there if you're available uh with that uh can", "start": 6689.28, "end": 6694.56}, {"text": "I get a motion to adjourn move mayor", "start": 6694.56, "end": 6699.719}]