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{"text": "have an opportunity to understand where our other uh our government Partners or other levels of um uh of government are", "start": 671.079, "end": 679}, {"text": "at in terms of uh funding contributions to the budget that we're looking at um so John asked if we can good morning uh", "start": 679, "end": 688.72}, {"text": "to the chair um we've been in contact uh and regular communication with both the province and the federal government I've", "start": 688.72, "end": 695.12}, {"text": "recently checked with our contact uh and the proroguing of parliament will uh not affect our work that's moving forward", "start": 695.12, "end": 701.959}, {"text": "with the contribution agreement and our memo of understanding uh with all the parties so we are proceeding with that", "start": 701.959, "end": 709.16}, {"text": "and still on track for having our federal contribution agreement signed by the end of March uh we're also in", "start": 709.16, "end": 715.44}, {"text": "negotiations with the province on our contribution agreement and that is moving forward forward as", "start": 715.44, "end": 720.56}, {"text": "planned thank you I just wanted to make sure we were on track understanding that the political uh landscape is Shifting", "start": 720.56, "end": 726.2}, {"text": "at the moment and it's important we secure those funds for us to move forward so thank you for that confirmation that's all Madam chair okay", "start": 726.2, "end": 733}, {"text": "uh councelor Chang thank you through the chair to the", "start": 733, "end": 739}, {"text": "FIFA Secretariat uh the budget shows 21 million from coming from other funding", "start": 739, "end": 745.959}, {"text": "which includes donations merchandise sales music royalties and commercial sales hospitalities Fan Festival etc etc", "start": 745.959, "end": 754.48}, {"text": "and I'm just wondering is there more work uh being done to potentially increase that potential", "start": 754.48, "end": 762.04}, {"text": "Revenue uh to the chair um that 21 million a good portion of that 21", "start": 762.04, "end": 767.639}, {"text": "million is our Champions table which is the table that the mayor and uh Mr Tannon bomb have put together as our", "start": 767.639, "end": 773.76}, {"text": "fundraising arm if you will so the target of that group is 15 million and", "start": 773.76, "end": 779.92}, {"text": "the other portions of that budget are are still a little bit up in the air we don't ex we know our percentage of", "start": 779.92, "end": 786.24}, {"text": "merchandise sales but we don't have data from FIFA on what that could look like for our particular city so we are", "start": 786.24, "end": 792.959}, {"text": "working out those numbers uh and those opportunities we're also taking a very", "start": 792.959, "end": 798}, {"text": "close look at Fan Festival and opportunities that we can have for Revenue generation as part of Fan", "start": 798, "end": 804.639}, {"text": "Festival planning and in previous 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city or would that there be would would be open to", "start": 944.319, "end": 949.519}, {"text": "negotiating a similar ratio with the Surplus yeah to the chair so our commitment was seeking a target of", "start": 949.519, "end": 957.759}, {"text": "56.6 um if we end up collecting additional Revenue specific to that", "start": 957.759, "end": 962.959}, {"text": "incremental two and a half% increase right through the 14 months um we committed to having further discussions", "start": 962.959, "end": 969.56}, {"text": "with destination Toronto around the best use for that Surplus or other options that may be available okay and the other", "start": 969.56, "end": 976.36}, {"text": "the 6% is is ratioed out as as per usual that's consistent in our operating", "start": 976.36, "end": 981.8}, {"text": "budget the way that it always flows in our operating budget in support of various operations okay I got my answer", "start": 981.8, "end": 987}, {"text": "and I promise not to forget it and ask it again six more times okay okay thank", "start": 987, "end": 992.48}, {"text": "you uh those are the questions that's it thank you", "start": 992.48, "end": 997.639}, {"text": "yeah um so they're they're here or they're not here oh okay we we thought", "start": 997.639, "end": 1003.48}, {"text": "we were going to have to uh uh make get up and dance until they were ready but they are ready now uh questions on the", "start": 1003.48, "end": 1010}, {"text": "city clerk's office uh councelor Chang uh was mistaken it was about city council but are there any of Clerks oh", "start": 1010, "end": 1017.36}, {"text": "Deputy M Morley um so oh so so there aren't clerks questions then well then", "start": 1017.36, "end": 1023.72}, {"text": "so we have no City Clerks questions um good news uh yeah no apparently the", "start": 1023.72, "end": 1031.6}, {"text": "questions it was a mistake the we're going to move on to city council because the questions are actually about city", "start": 1031.6, 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{"text": "additional resources for that uh in recognition of the fact that there have been some additional bodies at it or", "start": 1081.64, "end": 1087.76}, {"text": "committees and boards at it and uh really also the maturing I think of the model now we have with hybrid", "start": 1087.76, "end": 1093.88}, {"text": "participation and virtual deputations and so forth so I'm uh I'm quite pleased uh toh see that that has been accounted", "start": 1093.88, "end": 1101.4}, {"text": "for in the budget and that will put us in good shape fantastic thank you so much we could not do this without you so", "start": 1101.4, "end": 1108.159}, {"text": "glad Toom thanks Madam chair uh okay I and I see uh Council", "start": 1108.159, "end": 1114.4}, {"text": "chernos Lyn has joined us Council Jos slid we're we're just going through the the internal divisions right now we're", "start": 1114.4, "end": 1121.2}, {"text": "on the city clerk's office did you have any questions on that one okay okay then", "start": 1121.2, "end": 1126.52}, {"text": "we're going to move on to uh city council Services budget", "start": 1126.52, "end": 1132.159}, {"text": "yeah and if I can take the tempature deputy mayor Morley has questions any other questions on this one so I start a", "start": 1132.159, "end": 1139.28}, {"text": "list don't see any we'll see how it goes uh Deputy Mayor Morley go ahead thank", "start": 1139.28, "end": 1144.36}, {"text": "you madam chair um I wanted to raise the issue of staff salaries within the city", "start": 1144.36, "end": 1149.6}, {"text": "council uh envelope for Council offices um and I'm not sure exactly who I'm", "start": 1149.6, "end": 1154.799}, {"text": "directing the question to sorry thank you Mr city clerk um has there been uh", "start": 1154.799, "end": 1160.96}, {"text": "any consideration for um additional expenditures on staff salaries for City", "start": 1160.96, "end": 1167}, {"text": "councilors in this current budget we're looking at", 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who can answer this much more eloquently well there are a number of us", "start": 1285.08, "end": 1291.72}, {"text": "could answer it but I I'll take a shot and say chair that um uh under the SE of", "start": 1291.72, "end": 1296.799}, {"text": "Toronto act the wards are fixed and uh Council does not have the authority to amend its Ward", "start": 1296.799, "end": 1303.96}, {"text": "structure so in with that growth that we're seeing uh and all of our Wards are", "start": 1308.679, "end": 1314.799}, {"text": "the size of a big city in Ontario what uh what is being analyzed in term to ensure", "start": 1314.799, "end": 1323.159}, {"text": "that we're adequately St staffed to be able to represent so many", "start": 1323.159, "end": 1329.799}, {"text": "people um chair the the allocation for Staffing is really in the hands of", "start": 1331, "end": 1337.48}, {"text": "council um uh the the current uh the current budget is a result of what", "start": 1337.48, "end": 1342.799}, {"text": 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recommend well well at this stage the", "start": 1433.32, "end": 1439.36}, {"text": "budget you know the draft budget the staff draft budget is before Council the mayor will make right her", "start": 1439.36, "end": 1444.6}, {"text": "recommendations on February 1st so uh if adjustments are are uh wished uh for", "start": 1444.6, "end": 1451.4}, {"text": "that Staffing envelope then there's a couple of options there right yeah but those are the it has to be Council", "start": 1451.4, "end": 1457.48}, {"text": "driven yeah yeah or mayor or Council driven coun counselors could request", "start": 1457.48, "end": 1462.88}, {"text": "that the mayor Do It um so on that just to just to be clear about what is in the", "start": 1462.88, "end": 1469.08}, {"text": "in the budget at the moment um post budget process we're going to we're going to be getting an overall report on", "start": 1469.08, "end": 1475.919}, {"text": "on nonunion staff uh but we have the counselor staff budget envelope here and", "start": 1475.919, "end": 1481.32}, {"text": "it says Cola is being held in nonprogram would that be um uh retroactive to", "start": 1481.32, "end": 1488.32}, {"text": "January 1st uh to the chair so yes uh all of our", "start": 1488.32, "end": 1495.679}, {"text": "Provisions that we would have in nonprogram would be retroactive to January 1st and and upon budget approval", "start": 1495.679, "end": 1502.039}, {"text": "uh or Collective Agreement approvals in the case of of staff that are not part of non-union we would transfer the funds", "start": 1502.039, "end": 1507.279}, {"text": "over to the appropriate divisions likely through a variance report okay last", "start": 1507.279, "end": 1512.399}, {"text": "question if we follow the policy we have now which is just to give envelopes um our policy doesn't require", "start": 1512.399, "end": 1521.36}, {"text": "a certain number of staff so some might wish to just compare wages to the market", "start": 1521.36, "end": 1527.679}, {"text": "and if we increase increase the envelope they could use it to to uh increase salaries to to be more reflective of the", "start": 1527.679, "end": 1534.799}, {"text": "market some may choose to choose a different have a different number of Staff but that remains those are", "start": 1534.799, "end": 1542.399}, {"text": "currently our policy leaves that decision with the individual counselor chair that's correct okay I", "start": 1542.399, "end": 1549.44}, {"text": "like that policy okay I just wanted to get those on the table so that when a motion is", "start": 1549.44, "end": 1555.44}, {"text": "forthcoming people know what they can do with it in their in their own uh decision-making processes okay uh are", "start": 1555.44, "end": 1562.36}, {"text": "there any other questions on City Council Office uh seeing none okay thank you", "start": 1562.36, "end": 1569.159}, {"text": "very much that means we are yes we are done all of the financial and internal", "start": 1569.159, "end": 1574.76}, {"text": "divisions thank you very much um so counselors we're going to move on to uh", "start": 1574.76, "end": 1580.2}, {"text": "community and Social Services uh Mr isus is going to give a general presentation first and uh um well looking at the", "start": 1580.2, "end": 1588.76}, {"text": "divisions I'm going to assume I don't need to do a rundown there's probably a question or two in each one uh if you're", "start": 1588.76, "end": 1594.72}, {"text": "a non budget Committee Member and watching uh we're about to have the presentation on community and social", "start": 1594.72, "end": 1601.72}, {"text": "services and that'll be the work of the rest of the day until we get to briefing notes we are in while while uh Mr zus is", "start": 1601.72, "end": 1608.88}, {"text": "setting up we are in our final day to receive briefing notes so if you had", "start": 1608.88, "end": 1614.96}, {"text": "anything you wanted to submit please do it this morning so that uh we can review", "start": 1614.96, "end": 1620.039}, {"text": "it make sure there aren't uh duplicate requests and move them at the end of", "start": 1620.039, "end": 1625.12}, {"text": "this meeting thank", "start": 1625.12, "end": 1628.08}, {"text": "you's oh and uh just before you start Mr isus just to prepare folks I've had a", "start": 1635.039, "end": 1640.88}, {"text": "request um people have uh schedule pileups deputy mayor mckelvie has to", "start": 1640.88, "end": 1647}, {"text": "step out to uh for a meeting uh later this morning and so she has requested", "start": 1647, "end": 1652.44}, {"text": "that we reorder the list when we get into the divisions we're going to go paramedics parks and then go back to", "start": 1652.44, "end": 1659.08}, {"text": "fire Services I hope that's okay with everyone so we'll do paramedics then Parks then fire", "start": 1659.08, "end": 1665.159}, {"text": "Services okay go ahead Mr isus good morning great good morning Madam chair", "start": 1665.159, "end": 1671.2}, {"text": "thank you members uh and good morning to members of the budget committee visiting counselors City staff and memb MERS of", "start": 1671.2, "end": 1678.48}, {"text": "the public my name is tomus and I'm the interim Deputy City Manager for community and social services and it is", "start": 1678.48, "end": 1684.84}, {"text": "my pleasure to present an overview of the 2025 budget for this service area", "start": 1684.84, "end": 1690.48}, {"text": "I'm joined today by each of our community and Social Services Division heads who are available to answer your", "start": 1690.48, "end": 1695.76}, {"text": "questions on their specific budget after the presentation I'd like to begin with a heartfelt thanks to my colleagues", "start": 1695.76, "end": 1702.88}, {"text": "division heads and their staff across community and Social Services for their unwavering commitment to Public Service", "start": 1702.88, "end": 1710.039}, {"text": "each and every day they are out in our communities supporting Toronto residents", "start": 1710.039, "end": 1715.2}, {"text": "thanks also to Steve Cony our CFO and his team in finance and treasury for their ongoing guidance through the", "start": 1715.2, "end": 1720.84}, {"text": "budget process and to the finance leads across our divisions and my dcmo colleagues for their efforts in", "start": 1720.84, "end": 1727.519}, {"text": "developing this presentation our vision in community and Social Services is Guided by a common", "start": 1727.519, "end": 1733.679}, {"text": "Vision together we Thrive across 11 program are is we work every day towards", "start": 1733.679, "end": 1739.799}, {"text": "a Toronto where everyone can equitably access the services they need to live", "start": 1739.799, "end": 1745.08}, {"text": "learn work play and reach their full potential our vision is achieved when", "start": 1745.08, "end": 1750.6}, {"text": "all residents from infants to older adults are better off from their interactions with", "start": 1750.6, "end": 1756}, {"text": "us the following slides provide a short description of each community and Social Services Division we'll walk through", "start": 1756, "end": 1762.76}, {"text": "these at a very high level and I encourage members of the public to find additional detail in visal budget notes", "start": 1762.76, "end": 1769.2}, {"text": "posted online community and Social Services encompasses 10 City divisions", "start": 1769.2, "end": 1774.399}, {"text": "and Toronto Public Health please note that the Toronto Public Health budget was considered separately as part of the", "start": 1774.399, "end": 1780.559}, {"text": "review of city agencies yesterday first children services led by general manager", "start": 1780.559, "end": 1785.919}, {"text": "Shanley mcnam is a city Service System Manager for child care through the direct operations of child care", "start": 1785.919, "end": 1792}, {"text": "facilities and the roll out of Canada wide Early Learning and 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"delivery of Ontario Works which includes Financial employment and social support", "start": 1882.799, "end": 1888.08}, {"text": "s Toronto Paramedic Services led by Chief bickram chowa provides 247", "start": 1888.08, "end": 1893.84}, {"text": "paramedic care medical dispatch and community-based paramedicine and tonal", "start": 1893.84, "end": 1899.24}, {"text": "shelter and support services led by general manager Gore Tanner oversees the shelter support system in Toronto", "start": 1899.24, "end": 1906.08}, {"text": "including Emergency Shelters rest bites warming centers Street Outreach programs", "start": 1906.08, "end": 1911.96}, {"text": "and the city's encampment and Refugee response the following is a common slide", "start": 1911.96, "end": 1917.919}, {"text": "that you have seen in other presentations earlier this week our work in community and Social Services aligns", "start": 1917.919, "end": 1923.679}, {"text": "with and advances all of the city's shared strategic and corporate outcomes this year we continue to invest in", "start": 1923.679, "end": 1929.799}, {"text": "people and neighborhoods to protect service levels with a key focus on providing Equitable city services for", "start": 1929.799, "end": 1937}, {"text": "everyone we're also rolling out new systems and strategies to drive positive service outcomes as well as actions to", "start": 1937, "end": 1944.24}, {"text": "create vibrant public spaces and a resilient economy the 2025 operating budget invests 6.2", "start": 1944.24, "end": 1951.84}, {"text": "billion gross and 1.8 billion net in community and social services this represents a 9.6% increase in net", "start": 1951.84, "end": 1959.32}, {"text": "expenditures from 2024 to 2025 it is important to note that a", "start": 1959.32, "end": 1965.2}, {"text": "portion of this net expenditure is associated with the administrative penalty system while some expenditures", "start": 1965.2, "end": 1971.48}, {"text": "associated with this program continue to reside in the court services budget the corresponding revenues associated with", "start": 1971.48, "end": 1977.88}, {"text": "with the program are now reflected in the city's corporate accounts while this may appear to be a loss of Revenue and a", "start": 1977.88, "end": 1984.76}, {"text": "pressure in the community and Social Services budget the city as a whole is not losing any Revenue when we exclude", "start": 1984.76, "end": 1992.519}, {"text": "this transfer this Revenue transfer from community and Social Services budget the net increase to the 2025 budget is 85.8", "start": 1992.519, "end": 2000.88}, {"text": "million or 5% above 2024 this budget includes an increase in", "start": 2000.88, "end": 2007.12}, {"text": "positions primarily associated with recruitment of Staff in Parks forestry and", "start": 2007.12, "end": 2012.44}, {"text": "Recreation new staff for shelters paramedics and case workers to support", "start": 2012.44, "end": 2017.48}, {"text": "an 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which increases social assistance case loads and demand for shelter child care and employment", "start": 2061, "end": 2068.32}, {"text": "and other social programs growing demand for services is also impacted by a growing and aging population with", "start": 2068.32, "end": 2076.04}, {"text": "increasingly diverse and complex needs the Mental Health and Drug toxicity", "start": 2076.04, "end": 2081.638}, {"text": "crisis unique Refugee needs the impacts of climate change growing youth violence", "start": 2081.639, "end": 2088.52}, {"text": "and health and Long-Term Care Systems that are at capacity are some of our main pressures as a result these complex", "start": 2088.52, "end": 2095.8}, {"text": "and systemic cha CH challenges continue to place additional strain on our city and our services increased", "start": 2095.8, "end": 2103.079}, {"text": "Investments and ongoing collaboration are needed across all levels of government to adequately respond to", "start": 2103.079, "end": 2109.119}, {"text": "these socioeconomic challenges recognizing the above demands", "start": 2109.119, "end": 2114.32}, {"text": "on our services by extension creates challenges for divisions to recruit and retain skilled staff especially in", "start": 2114.32, "end": 2121.28}, {"text": "Frontline operations and emergency response roles so to address these challenges", "start": 2121.28, "end": 2127.28}, {"text": "this year budget focuses on five priority actions these actions Encompass both new and enhanced Investments as", "start": 2127.28, "end": 2134.839}, {"text": "well as ongoing programs accommodated within divisions based budgets first we", "start": 2134.839, "end": 2140.28}, {"text": "will expand supports for vulnerable people by continuing roll out of the Canada wide Early Learning and Child", "start": 2140.28, "end": 2145.92}, {"text": "Care Program making new investments in youth violence prevention and continuing to roll out our Careo model to support", "start": 2145.92, "end": 2153.319}, {"text": "seniors in Long-Term Care Homes Toronto shelter and support services will will continue responding to homelessness in", "start": 2153.319, "end": 2159.4}, {"text": "our communities whether through new specialized housing for refugees roll out of the shelter Safety Action Plan", "start": 2159.4, "end": 2166.599}, {"text": "ongoing implementation of our Outreach focused encampment response and by securing at least five additional sites", "start": 2166.599, "end": 2173.079}, {"text": "for redevelopment of new purpose-built shelters second community and Social", "start": 2173.079, "end": 2178.8}, {"text": "Services will strengthen Community Development and safety the service area oversees three of our City's four", "start": 2178.8, "end": 2185.04}, {"text": "Emergency Services as such we're building on key Investments to develop stronger and safer communities through", "start": 2185.04, "end": 2192.52}, {"text": "the Citywide Community crisis service recruitment of additional firefighters and paramedics roll out of the", "start": 2192.52, "end": 2198.76}, {"text": "administrative penalty system and targeted engagement in the downtown east Jane Finch and Downsview", "start": 2198.76, "end": 2205.839}, {"text": "neighborhoods third we're develop we're delivering new Investments to reinvigorate public space this includes", "start": 2205.839, "end": 2213.44}, {"text": "enhancing the cleanliness of recreation centers and substantial investment to advance critical capital projects across", "start": 2213.44, "end": 2220.44}, {"text": "the parks forestry and Recreation portfolio the team in Economic Development and culture is also", "start": 2220.44, "end": 2226.56}, {"text": "advancing our 10e action plans to boost economic and cultural activity both within and Beyond the downtown core", "start": 2226.56, "end": 2234.56}, {"text": "fourth we're enhancing client experience through Human Services integration and a no wrongo approach We are continuing to", "start": 2234.56, "end": 2241.359}, {"text": "modernize our registration system for community recreation and cultural programs and delivering key improvements", "start": 2241.359, "end": 2248.04}, {"text": "to the fairy passenger experience and finally is our continued", "start": 2248.04, "end": 2253.4}, {"text": "focus on equity and social justice which is the foundation of all that we do this", "start": 2253.4, "end": 2259.119}, {"text": "year we're delivering a new 10-year Toronto action plan to confront anti-black racism alongside", "start": 2259.119, "end": 2265.4}, {"text": "implementation of the indigenous youth fellowship program the city's first access plan for two spirit trans and", "start": 2265.4, "end": 2272.319}, {"text": "non-binary youth and we are also increasing funding for Arts programming and community-based supports for black", "start": 2272.319, "end": 2279.2}, {"text": "indigenous and other equity-seeking groups moving into our operating budget", "start": 2279.2, "end": 2284.96}, {"text": "breakdown the 2025 operating budget invests 6.2 billion in community and", "start": 2284.96, "end": 2290.24}, {"text": "social services this slide outlines how that money is invested across the service area including gross and net", "start": 2290.24, "end": 2298.24}, {"text": "expenditures 27% is directed to Children's Services 22% is allocated to", "start": 2298.24, "end": 2303.72}, {"text": "employment and Social Services 14% for tronel shelter and Support Services 10%", "start": 2303.72, "end": 2309.4}, {"text": "for Parks forestry Recreation and 9% for Toronto fire Services the balance is", "start": 2309.4, "end": 2314.68}, {"text": "divided among the remaining program areas we have also included a sample list of key Investments on the right", "start": 2314.68, "end": 2321.04}, {"text": "hand side which are organized by the priority actions previously highlighted", "start": 2321.04, "end": 2326.4}, {"text": "with the respect to funding sources many community and Social Services programs are cost shared with the federal and", "start": 2326.4, "end": 2332.64}, {"text": "provincial governments in fact over 40% or 2.55 billion of the community and", "start": 2332.64, "end": 2338.8}, {"text": "Social Services budget is funded by The Province 22% or 1.37 billion through", "start": 2338.8, "end": 2345.839}, {"text": "Federal subsidies and 29% or 1.8 billion is funded from the property tax base and", "start": 2345.839, "end": 2352.319}, {"text": "the remainder comes from a combination of user fees permits donations and other", "start": 2352.319, "end": 2358.2}, {"text": "revenues we invest that money as follows 36% goes to salaries and benefits to", "start": 2358.2, "end": 2364.119}, {"text": "deliver the vast array of programs and services 25% goes to Canada wide Early", "start": 2364.119, "end": 2369.28}, {"text": "Learning and childcare related grants 18% is dispersed through Ontario Works", "start": 2369.28, "end": 2375.119}, {"text": "10% goes to services and rents and 3% supports grants and", "start": 2375.119, "end": 2381}, {"text": "funding this slide provides a breakdown of the community and Social Services budget by division and presents a net", "start": 2381, "end": 2387.72}, {"text": "increase of 85.8 billion million from 2024 to 2025 excluding the transfer of", "start": 2387.72, "end": 2394.48}, {"text": "Court service Revenue to City's corporate accounts as noted earlier this pressure is driven primarily by cost", "start": 2394.48, "end": 2401.4}, {"text": "escalations and the annualization of Prior investments in divisions like Parks forestry and Recreation paramedics", "start": 2401.4, "end": 2408.96}, {"text": "and Social Development finance and administration about 32% or $27 million", "start": 2408.96, "end": 2415.839}, {"text": "of this net increase is relating to cleaner recreation centers violence", "start": 2415.839, "end": 2421.04}, {"text": "prevention supports to keep our community safe expanded access to outdoor pools more fire Fighters and", "start": 2421.04, "end": 2428.079}, {"text": "more paramedics new and enhanced Investments for shelters for stronger shelter and homelessness supports and", "start": 2428.079, "end": 2435.28}, {"text": "arts programming and cultural festivals as you'll see on the slide a number of community and Social Services", "start": 2435.28, "end": 2441.72}, {"text": "divisions are below the rate of inflation or Net Zero with respect to this year's net expenditures versus 2024", "start": 2441.72, "end": 2449.96}, {"text": "this includes tonal shelter and support services who have achieved savings through more effective renegotiation of", "start": 2449.96, "end": 2456}, {"text": "Shelter Hotel leases and increased revenues secured through the provincial New Deal and federal", "start": 2456, "end": 2461.72}, {"text": "interm housing assistance program IHOP for refugees turning our attention to the", "start": 2461.72, "end": 2468.04}, {"text": "community and Social Services capital budget and plan we see a diverse portfolio of priorities that enables us", "start": 2468.04, "end": 2474.48}, {"text": "to effectively deliver essential services and community supports based on", "start": 2474.48, "end": 2479.68}, {"text": "Council Direction this includes an array of Green Space Recreation Child Care", "start": 2479.68, "end": 2484.96}, {"text": "Centers shelters long-term care facilities and other assets with a current value of $8.3", "start": 2484.96, "end": 2492.48}, {"text": "billion we also expect to see the community and Social Services Capital plan expand and evolve as we develop new", "start": 2492.48, "end": 2499.48}, {"text": "multi-functional EMS stations procure new electric fairies modernize and", "start": 2499.48, "end": 2504.839}, {"text": "Revitalize our Long-Term Care Homes build new recreation centers and playgrounds and secure new sites for", "start": 2504.839, "end": 2513.079}, {"text": "shelters in the interest of time I'll speak to the right hand side that shows how the 2025 capital budget is invested", "start": 2513.079, "end": 2520.92}, {"text": "over 60% or 387 million will be assigned to the Parks fory and Recreation to add", "start": 2520.92, "end": 2528}, {"text": "to address state of good repair and expand our Parks and Recreation facilities about 20% or 126 million is", "start": 2528, "end": 2536.319}, {"text": "allocated to the tronel shelter and support services to advance development of new shelters another 6% or 35 million", "start": 2536.319, "end": 2544.119}, {"text": "is for economic development and culture and 4% or 29 million for", "start": 2544.119, "end": 2549.8}, {"text": "paramedics on this slide we see that the total community and Social Services 10-year capital budget is $6.4 billion", "start": 2549.8, "end": 2558.119}, {"text": "and will deliver investments in the following key areas 3.9 billion will", "start": 2558.119, "end": 2563.92}, {"text": "address gaps in service demands for growing communities including new shelter developments Park Rehabilitation", "start": 2563.92, "end": 2570.839}, {"text": "electric fairies and new child care centers 1.8 billion is earmarked for", "start": 2570.839, "end": 2576.599}, {"text": "aging infrastructure and Redevelopment including revitalization and the state of good repair for our Parks and", "start": 2576.599, "end": 2582.76}, {"text": "Recreation assets Long-Term Care Homes shelters Child Care Centers Public arts", "start": 2582.76, "end": 2588.839}, {"text": "and museums 674 million will contribute to health and safety and legislated", "start": 2588.839, "end": 2595.8}, {"text": "requirements including new emergency vehicles medical equipment and required", "start": 2595.8, "end": 2600.88}, {"text": "upgrades in our long-term care homes and the remaining 57 million is allocated to", "start": 2600.88, "end": 2606.24}, {"text": "modernization and other projects please note that as each of these capital projects is undertaken the community and", "start": 2606.24, "end": 2613.079}, {"text": "Social Services team continues to work closely with environment and climate and other divisions to ensure that the", "start": 2613.079, "end": 2619.64}, {"text": "city's Net Zero commitments under transformed to are met similar to slide 18 I'll focus on", "start": 2619.64, "end": 2627.319}, {"text": "the targeted Investments on the right side over the coming 10 years the majority of the funds are allocated to", "start": 2627.319, "end": 2633.559}, {"text": "Parks forestry and Recreation who receive 67% or 4.3 billion of the total", "start": 2633.559, "end": 2639.28}, {"text": "budget for new recreation and Community facilities Parkland acquisition and development and the state of good repair", "start": 2639.28, "end": 2646.92}, {"text": "15% or 957 million goes to tronto shelter and support services to advance", "start": 2646.92, "end": 2652.28}, {"text": "the capital infrastructure strategy and the expansion of the shelter system 8%", "start": 2652.28, "end": 2657.48}, {"text": "or 525 million is for the senior services and long-term care to build modernized facilities and the balance is", "start": 2657.48, "end": 2664.92}, {"text": "Divi divided among the remaining programs areas as referenced in the other", "start": 2664.92, "end": 2670.119}, {"text": "presentations this week divisions continue to face economic pressures like skill shortages High inflation and", "start": 2670.119, "end": 2677.16}, {"text": "supply chain issues that impact our ability to address the state of good repair backlog community and social", "start": 2677.16, "end": 2683.48}, {"text": "services division are confronting this issue headon with significant Investments to prioritize a state of", "start": 2683.48, "end": 2689.839}, {"text": "good repair especially in divisions with the largest Capital portfolios for instance 400 million from the upload of", "start": 2689.839, "end": 2696.76}, {"text": "the Gardener and the dawn Valley Parkway will be reallocated to address the state of good repair backlog in Parks forestry", "start": 2696.76, "end": 2703.64}, {"text": "and Recreation we are confident that with ongoing and strategic allocation of the capital investment community and", "start": 2703.64, "end": 2710.24}, {"text": "Social Services can realize a reduction in the state of good repair backlog over the next 10 years I'll conclude by", "start": 2710.24, "end": 2717.76}, {"text": "saying thanks very much for your time and before moving into Q's andas on the divisional budget I'll pause in the", "start": 2717.76, "end": 2723.8}, {"text": "event that there are questions relating to this specific budget thank you so", "start": 2723.8, "end": 2729.96}, {"text": "much okay thank you are there questions on the general presentation uh councelor", "start": 2731.839, "end": 2739.48}, {"text": "Chang thank you through the chair you mentioned uh that the skill shortages", "start": 2739.48, "end": 2745}, {"text": "are impacting this budget and I'm wondering if you could elaborate what types of skills and whether or not there", "start": 2745, "end": 2752.2}, {"text": "have been conversations with immigration or local colleges to to uh help build", "start": 2752.2, "end": 2758.28}, {"text": "the capacity that is needed uh chair yes there are ongoing conversations that we", "start": 2758.28, "end": 2764.16}, {"text": "have with Partners colleges around the skill sets needed certainly when it comes to qualifications that we see and", "start": 2764.16, "end": 2770.88}, {"text": "our colleagues in Fire and paramedics can speak to this themselves at that time there's an ongoing conversations", "start": 2770.88, "end": 2777.119}, {"text": "that happen as is the case with personal support workers in our long-term care facility so yes we work in a robust", "start": 2777.119, "end": 2783.16}, {"text": "manner across with colleges in the area and certainly continue to work work with other orders of government from an", "start": 2783.16, "end": 2788.72}, {"text": "immigration perspective to address our skill shortages great thank you very much that's it okay uh any other", "start": 2788.72, "end": 2798.2}, {"text": "questions on the general presentation I just had I just have one", "start": 2798.2, "end": 2803.68}, {"text": "question then if there there oh uh councilor joural ly did you have a question on the general presentation", "start": 2803.68, "end": 2809.44}, {"text": "we're gonna go before I ask my question I just want to know is there going to be a", "start": 2809.44, "end": 2814.68}, {"text": "presentation from each of the services that I should hold off like if I want to ask something specific we're just going", "start": 2814.68, "end": 2819.92}, {"text": "to bring them forward to answer questions but we're not going to have them each give a unique presentation", "start": 2819.92, "end": 2825.72}, {"text": "okay they are available though they you know they develop them for the informal part of the process so you can you can", "start": 2825.72, "end": 2832.48}, {"text": "uh invite a division to come to your office if you want to deeply understand that they they can make themselves", "start": 2832.48, "end": 2837.559}, {"text": "available for that but today is questions from the analyst notes yeah I", "start": 2837.559, "end": 2843.16}, {"text": "I have met with some of some of the divisions we're talking to today already I've done that I just wondered when like", "start": 2843.16, "end": 2849.64}, {"text": "if I want to ask about um I have a question about Paramedic Services so", "start": 2849.64, "end": 2854.96}, {"text": "they're each going to come forward and we'll have a Q&A period um okay thanks okay councelor chanti we just heard the", "start": 2854.96, "end": 2861.48}, {"text": "presentation from from uh community and social services from uh uh", "start": 2861.48, "end": 2866.64}, {"text": "tomazo did you were you watching the presentation before or or you don't have", "start": 2866.64, "end": 2872.28}, {"text": "questions on the general presentation I'm fine with that uh uh uh area so yeah", "start": 2872.28, "end": 2878.44}, {"text": "we could just move on we're good okay then we'll go into the divisions I just have one question Mr isus um so so that", "start": 2878.44, "end": 2886.16}, {"text": "uh uh we we uh we have a whole budget committee that can answer this question for anyone else I wonder if you could", "start": 2886.16, "end": 2893.04}, {"text": "just go over again that court services adjustment because it's we have so many new counselors and and it it sort of", "start": 2893.04, "end": 2899.559}, {"text": "throws your whole cluster out of whack and then we then we we adjust the percentage of your increase for the the", "start": 2899.559, "end": 2906.16}, {"text": "the transfer court services Revenue if you could just uh it's page 15 if you", "start": 2906.16, "end": 2911.64}, {"text": "want to just do that explanation uh one more time and and the the 5 million additional adjustment this year just so", "start": 2911.64, "end": 2918.48}, {"text": "that budget committee members can answer that question themselves thank you chair I'll start and uh perhaps our chief", "start": 2918.48, "end": 2924.24}, {"text": "financial officer will want to weigh in on this as well but simply there's an adjustment being made to how we're", "start": 2924.24, "end": 2929.64}, {"text": "tracking the funds the revenue sources through court services and it is being reassigned through the city's corporate", "start": 2929.64, "end": 2935.68}, {"text": "accounts so it looks like an adjustment on our budget but it really is net zero to the city from a revenue perspective", "start": 2935.68, "end": 2943.24}, {"text": "Steve if you wish to add into that by all means to the chair the only thing I would add is you can blame me for this", "start": 2943.24, "end": 2949.319}, {"text": "I've asked that we've consolidate the revenues within our corporate Revenue line item and it does give the", "start": 2949.319, "end": 2954.68}, {"text": "appearance that there's a loss of 70 million in Revenue but there isn't that is then reflected as an additional 70", "start": 2954.68, "end": 2960.799}, {"text": "million in our other corporate Revenue yeah yeah so that's why you see", "start": 2960.799, "end": 2966.119}, {"text": "that 10% but in in fact once you take it out the overall the Clusters is of 5%", "start": 2966.119, "end": 2973.16}, {"text": "okay um so we're going to start into divisions and thank you Mr isus H uh so", "start": 2973.16, "end": 2978.599}, {"text": "the deputy city manager is available but we're going to bring paramedics", "start": 2978.599, "end": 2984.319}, {"text": "forward yes we're going to go paramedics parks and then go back to fire Services", "start": 2985.68, "end": 2991.24}, {"text": "yes [Music]", "start": 2991.24, "end": 2996.82}, {"text": "oh sorry uh is your hand up to to ask questions Deputy Mayor Melby yes uh", "start": 2997.88, "end": 3004.68}, {"text": "we're just waiting for Mr CH to get to his chair we got a Keener ready to ask you some", "start": 3004.68, "end": 3011.839}, {"text": "questions okay uh the chief is just getting comfortable this chair uh go ahead Deputy Mayor", "start": 3024.64, "end": 3032.2}, {"text": "Melby uh thank you uh how does your budget address the response times and issues that were AUD identified by the", "start": 3032.2, "end": 3039.44}, {"text": "audit auditor General's report last", "start": 3039.44, "end": 3043.44}, {"text": "year uh to so to the chair uh one of the uh things that uh the auditor general", "start": 3048.559, "end": 3054.68}, {"text": "recommended you're right was around response to times um as part of our U", "start": 3054.68, "end": 3060.119}, {"text": "part of our 2025 budget ask uh there is before you uh for consideration a a", "start": 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having to transport people to to the emergency department uh you know U", "start": 3104.44, "end": 3113.359}, {"text": "and and doing that less rather we're also conducting a Staffing analysis which we're in the final stages of of uh", "start": 3113.359, "end": 3120.319}, {"text": "completing we're just finalizing that um we're we've also engaged with p& on our", "start": 3120.319, "end": 3126.48}, {"text": "Recruitment and Retention strategies on how best we can sort of refine them improve them uh as well as we will be uh", "start": 3126.48, "end": 3134.079}, {"text": "we'll be engaging with our Union Partners as well uh through 2025 to see", "start": 3134.079, "end": 3139.2}, {"text": "how to consult with them on on how best to improve uh our retention strategies um we've also uh We've also", "start": 3139.2, "end": 3147.88}, {"text": "just started a launch of a soft launch of uh tccs referrals for calls that come", "start": 3147.88, "end": 3155}, {"text": "directly into our communication Center into our Dispatch Center so now we're we're transferring just as a pilot just", "start": 3155, "end": 3161.64}, {"text": "to see how the system works of transferring those particular calls over to uh to two to tccs 211 and that", "start": 3161.64, "end": 3170.119}, {"text": "basically sheds uh those calls from from our system and late last year we also", "start": 3170.119, "end": 3175.44}, {"text": "partnered with spec uh to launch a public information campaign as well as with our police and", "start": 3175.44, "end": 3180.72}, {"text": "fire colleagues on the make the right call campaign so looking at other numbers that that people can call rather", "start": 3180.72, "end": 3186.799}, {"text": "than 911 if it's appropriate if it's safe like 211 and 811", "start": 3186.799, "end": 3192.839}, {"text": "Etc thank you uh how does your request uh sorry does your request include a", "start": 3192.839, "end": 3198.319}, {"text": "multi-year hiring plan and how many in 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rate is around four and a half", "start": 3334.52, "end": 3340.319}, {"text": "per. and that's about and that's about half of the the city's exit rate uh thank you and thank", "start": 3340.319, "end": 3347.24}, {"text": "you for everything you do to keep Toronto resident safe thank you uh chair I question when when uh I", "start": 3347.24, "end": 3355.599}, {"text": "have the opport Unity I'll leave it up to", "start": 3355.599, "end": 3359.44}, {"text": "you sorry sorry councelor chanti uh just conferring with the the CFO on uh on uh", "start": 3368.96, "end": 3376.24}, {"text": "this budget so we were on topic we just weren weren't paying attention so I'll", "start": 3376.24, "end": 3381.72}, {"text": "go to councelor chanti and then councel Chosin did you have questions as well okay councel Santi you want to go first", "start": 3381.72, "end": 3388.48}, {"text": "sure great thanks you so much chair and and chief welcome and uh thank you uh", "start": 3388.48, "end": 3393.559}, {"text": "for being here today and um so couple of things Chief uh uh recruit Recruitment", "start": 3393.559, "end": 3400.48}, {"text": "and Retention um uh what total number of new recruits are we looking at I was", "start": 3400.48, "end": 3406.92}, {"text": "just trying to find it in the report I didn't see it readily how many more do we plan to hire for this year and um and", "start": 3406.92, "end": 3414.28}, {"text": "then they in terms of response times and you know if you could speak to a little bit about that what's the", "start": 3414.28, "end": 3420.119}, {"text": "protocol people call 911 and um more times than not we have the fire", "start": 3420.119, "end": 3425.599}, {"text": "department that shows up first then um then uh paramedics show up sometime very", "start": 3425.599, "end": 3432.68}, {"text": "shortly after so can we just chat about that and um t to the chair so in terms of the", "start": 3432.68, "end": 3440.48}, {"text": "number of hires uh for 2025 uh with I mean subject to count 's", "start": 3440.48, "end": 3446.799}, {"text": "approval uh we would be able to hire up to 200 and that would include uh be able", "start": 3446.799, "end": 3452.4}, {"text": "to cover off new positions as well as those who retire or or leave the service", "start": 3452.4, "end": 3458.92}, {"text": "um and sorry your second question was I I I missed that counselor", "start": 3458.92, "end": 3464.4}, {"text": "sorry um the the protocol uh chief on uh", "start": 3464.4, "end": 3469.68}, {"text": "on on a 911 call somebody calls in um and uh and it's been this the case for", "start": 3469.68, "end": 3476.88}, {"text": "many years now uh that the fire department shows up and then shortly behind uh that follows your ambulance", "start": 3476.88, "end": 3483.72}, {"text": "Crews that show up so what is there a protocol that that that is what should", "start": 3483.72, "end": 3488.76}, {"text": "happen anyway or um so maybe you could speak to that sure so to the chair 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very high priority calls uh all three", "start": 3533.28, "end": 3541.119}, {"text": "services will attend it's called a tiered response uh and that's to ensure that uh one some sort of Medical Care", "start": 3541.119, "end": 3548.96}, {"text": "arrives on scene but also so that uh some some degree of Medical Care arrives", "start": 3548.96, "end": 3555}, {"text": "promptly as well so regardless of who who shows up first thank you Chief and there's a lot", "start": 3555, "end": 3561.4}, {"text": "of new growth in the city in the city and and so density as density uh", "start": 3561.4, "end": 3566.72}, {"text": "continues to grow in certain areas um are you looking at new stations in certain parts of the city up in north in", "start": 3566.72, "end": 3574.52}, {"text": "my area we have uh one that's been slated on Queens plate um is the uh does", "start": 3574.52, "end": 3581.64}, {"text": "this budget reflect the funding for the um development of that uh new facility", "start": 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for paramedics thank you chair um so to the", "start": 3672, "end": 3678.559}, {"text": "chief um following up a little bit on the line of questioning of councelor Melby I wanted to ask um", "start": 3678.559, "end": 3687.16}, {"text": "you know what's the I know there's we've had problems with retention in terms of paramedics and uh losing staff sometime", "start": 3687.16, "end": 3694.96}, {"text": "to neighboring jurisdictions um obviously the stress level of the job involved uh are we", "start": 3694.96, "end": 3701.16}, {"text": "having similar challenges in in terms of our", "start": 3701.16, "end": 3706.359}, {"text": "dispatchers to the chair um yeah there there have been challenges with retention uh", "start": 3710.079, "end": 3716.72}, {"text": "on the dispatch side and that's something that uh we are as I mentioned we're working with p& to look at our", "start": 3716.72, "end": 3723.44}, {"text": "recruitment processes uh and also our retention practices and how best we 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the budget that you see before you is just for paramedics okay and will there be a", "start": 3774.24, "end": 3781.079}, {"text": "request for more staff to deal with this or is that like to the province is that", "start": 3781.079, "end": 3786.599}, {"text": "part of your strategy as well yes there there will be uh we have", "start": 3786.599, "end": 3793.039}, {"text": "submitted an Ask already to the province for for additional uh dispatch staff and", "start": 3793.039, "end": 3798.16}, {"text": "we're just awaiting that response okay thank you so much those", "start": 3798.16, "end": 3804.4}, {"text": "are my questions okay thank you uh questions on paramedics councelor Chang", "start": 3804.4, "end": 3810.44}, {"text": "thank you um I'm just looking at the slated", "start": 3810.44, "end": 3817.68}, {"text": "head count uh into 2027 and it looks like a reduction uh over the next couple", "start": 3817.68, "end": 3823.96}, {"text": "of years is that in the absence of a multi-year 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made a very heartfelt deputation about how stretched thin he", "start": 3935.119, "end": 3941.92}, {"text": "felt in his role and I'm just wondering what type of investment is being made on", "start": 3941.92, "end": 3947.64}, {"text": "well-being um just to ensure and protect our paramedics from", "start": 3947.64, "end": 3954.24}, {"text": "burnout to the chair um one of the things that we've been doing even through the pandemic even through the", "start": 3954.24, "end": 3960.72}, {"text": "you know the unprecedented nature of the pandemic is to is to have a comprehensive hiring process we've", "start": 3960.72, "end": 3966.24}, {"text": "continued to hire and that was uh as a result also of council's approval back in 2019 of a multi-year plan and of", "start": 3966.24, "end": 3973.079}, {"text": "course the budget ask uh this year um we're as I mentioned we've engaged with p& on how we can uh improve our hiring", "start": 3973.079, "end": 3980.96}, {"text": "as well as our 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also to help them get their meal breaks and that's that's something we've just launched it's early days so we don't have the", "start": 4029.92, "end": 4036.4}, {"text": "results of that yet but that's something that that we've just launched so uh here it says there is", "start": 4036.4, "end": 4043.039}, {"text": "102 new and enhanced approved position positions and you mentioned that there will be 200 uh trained and recruited", "start": 4043.039, "end": 4051.48}, {"text": "this year so does that mean there's a 100 replacement with three retirements", "start": 4051.48, "end": 4057.4}, {"text": "or and so the net new number of paramedics what would that number", "start": 4057.4, "end": 4062.88}, {"text": "be so the the net so yeah it's up to 200 the the 102 would be uh net new staff", "start": 4062.88, "end": 4071.24}, {"text": "that we add to are they all Frontline paramedics or are some of those the majority largest I think it's around 95", "start": 4071.24, "end": 4077.92}, {"text": "are are Frontline operational staff and then the the remainder are support", "start": 4077.92, "end": 4083.599}, {"text": "staff my last question uh is the f is about the future of our city we all of", "start": 4083.599, "end": 4089.92}, {"text": "us counselors are now approving 50 story buildings that are going to grow across", "start": 4089.92, "end": 4096}, {"text": "the city and I'm just wondering what does that look like from a paramedic perspective and what type of uh planning", "start": 4096, "end": 4103.719}, {"text": "and budgeting needs to happen to ensure that people who are having a heart attack on the 50th story get the care", "start": 4103.719, "end": 4111.56}, {"text": "that they need in a timely way thanks for the question to to the", "start": 4111.56, "end": 4116.798}, {"text": "chair that's something that we we work with close and we've started uh working", "start": 4116.799, "end": 4121.96}, {"text": "very closely with crem and Creo and City Planning um as part of 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"ongoing thank you those are all my questions okay um are there any other questions of paramedics oh okay you you", "start": 4169.08, "end": 4176.798}, {"text": "you might be about to ask the same question I was going to ask but let's go and see um I'm looking at the analyst", "start": 4176.799, "end": 4183.4}, {"text": "note page five uh it's calls for service uh relating to drug", "start": 4183.4, "end": 4189.52}, {"text": "toxicity and this is showing that uh over the last five years it's been growing by about 10% % a year and youve", "start": 4189.52, "end": 4197.159}, {"text": "projected that same amount of growth for next year um as you know the province of", "start": 4197.159, "end": 4203.239}, {"text": "onario is going to be closing uh safe consumption sites in the city of", "start": 4203.239, "end": 4208.84}, {"text": "Toronto and there is a concern that's been raised by Frontline staff and", "start": 4208.84, "end": 4214.88}, {"text": "people who use drugs that this is going 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"start": 4352.92, "end": 4360.08}, {"text": "incidents those are your questions uh we we were going to ask the same question because councelor Moyes", "start": 4361.159, "end": 4367.679}, {"text": "who also hosts the site that wanted me to ask that question because he's held up in a meeting uh he had one other one", "start": 4367.679, "end": 4373.92}, {"text": "though uh fire Services has in their request they're they're adding a staff psychologist because of the you know", "start": 4373.92, "end": 4381}, {"text": "what our First Responders are are facing more and more that goes beyond I guess the the conventional EAP resources uh", "start": 4381, "end": 4388.719}, {"text": "does paramedics already have that service or or uh uh are you", "start": 4388.719, "end": 4394.28}, {"text": "adding chair we we've had that uh position in in uh in our compliment for", "start": 4394.28, "end": 4400.719}, {"text": "decades okay okay well I'm glad we're harmonizing then um", "start": 4400.719, "end": 4406.239}, {"text": "uh I had one other question let me just oh no no it was actually for fire okay", "start": 4406.239, "end": 4412.08}, {"text": "so that's it from uh councelor Moyes uh I just wanted to ask you one other question we're talking about uh uh", "start": 4412.08, "end": 4419.56}, {"text": "changing the hospital procedure how many times have we been involved in a uh in your career anyway", "start": 4419.56, "end": 4426.4}, {"text": "uh the provincial exercise of can we change this and and get paramedics out", "start": 4426.4, "end": 4431.52}, {"text": "of the uh emergency department chair yes it's it's an ongoing issue for", "start": 4431.52, "end": 4439.08}, {"text": "sure uh what I can say is that we've been actively involved with our Hospital", "start": 4439.08, "end": 4445.28}, {"text": "partners and they understand that this is a pressure for us and and um I would", "start": 4445.28, "end": 4451.52}, {"text": "say personally My my what my personal perspective is that we have seen a shift", "start": 4451.52, "end": 4456.76}, {"text": "in in the hospital uh perspective on on offload delay they do understand that", "start": 4456.76, "end": 4463.12}, {"text": "this is a huge pressure this is probably the greatest pressure for us that affects the available number of ambulances out on the street um and so", "start": 4463.12, "end": 4470.92}, {"text": "we are starting to see a shift we are seeing a modest improvement from last year or sorry from 2023 to 2024 in in", "start": 4470.92, "end": 4479.88}, {"text": "hospital offload times um so it's it's going in the right direction but it's still a significant issue and we are", "start": 4479.88, "end": 4486.92}, {"text": "also working with the province uh actively uh both uh myself uh with with", "start": 4486.92, "end": 4493.32}, {"text": "senior levels of of the provincial government as well as working with uh our professional associations the", "start": 4493.32, "end": 4499.44}, {"text": "Ontario Association of paramedic Chiefs to really advocate for change uh when it", "start": 4499.44, "end": 4505.4}, {"text": "comes to hospital offload times and as I I mentioned to Deputy Mayor Melby we have also written to the province uh", "start": 4505.4, "end": 4512.48}, {"text": "asking that they set a maximum time limit for uh offloading patients right", "start": 4512.48, "end": 4518.56}, {"text": "but you know from working directly with the hospitals if the province was willing to show the expenditures on", "start": 4518.56, "end": 4525.08}, {"text": "their books instead of ours every hospital would be happy to be more adequately staffed in the Ed so that the", "start": 4525.08, "end": 4532.4}, {"text": "paramedic would be able to hand off the patient more quickly they'd be happy to have the extra resources it would just", "start": 4532.4, "end": 4539}, {"text": "show up on the provincial books as opposed to ours that was a rhetorical question", "start": 4539, "end": 4545.159}, {"text": "thank you Chief okay thank you okay we're we're moving on to park so we need", "start": 4545.159, "end": 4550.199}, {"text": "to do a a a shift uh and counselors uh I know I have some", "start": 4550.199, "end": 4555.6}, {"text": "members outside the committee uh but uh uh Deputy Mayor mckel is in a time", "start": 4555.6, "end": 4560.639}, {"text": "crunch so I'm going to to have her go first in in Park's questions and then uh", "start": 4560.639, "end": 4566.84}, {"text": "then I think we'll be there for a", "start": 4566.84, "end": 4570.08}, {"text": "while good morning okay uh Mr Dayton's said just getting comfortable go ahead", "start": 4577.719, "end": 4583.84}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor Melby uh thank you madam chair uh how we have", "start": 4583.84, "end": 4588.96}, {"text": "five questions five minutes hopefully we can get through these my first is where are you at with the implementation of the auditor General's report from last", "start": 4588.96, "end": 4596.6}, {"text": "year for parks and is there anything in this budget where you're finding efficiencies Etc anything that has been", "start": 4596.6, "end": 4602.84}, {"text": "implemented today chair uh we have uh say it's", "start": 4602.84, "end": 4608.8}, {"text": "preliminary to be reporting on efficiencies and results but I will say that over uh the last couple of months", "start": 4608.8, "end": 4614.96}, {"text": "since uh the audit committee we've uh made a number of strides with respect to Quality Assurance Frameworks training uh", "start": 4614.96, "end": 4623.199}, {"text": "working with staff on how they complete uh things like daily activity sheets and working on other process changes such as", "start": 4623.199, "end": 4630.679}, {"text": "311 integration and we'll be reporting back as uh committed through audit", "start": 4630.679, "end": 4635.96}, {"text": "committee on some of the more detailed outcomes of those", "start": 4635.96, "end": 4640.96}, {"text": "initiatives so you do have an allocation for 120 to new FTE can you walk us", "start": 4641.239, "end": 4647.32}, {"text": "through where they are being assigned and are any in the areas that were covered by the auditor general report", "start": 4647.32, "end": 4653.4}, {"text": "and I say that because if there's a lot of work to do there you know is it risky to be adding additional personnel as you work through that so how are those 122", "start": 4653.4, "end": 4661.28}, {"text": "assigned chair the 122 FTE are actually more related to new and enhanced uh", "start": 4661.28, "end": 4667.6}, {"text": "Parks forestry and Recreation programs and services um and uh so they they are", "start": 4667.6, "end": 4673.679}, {"text": "really related to things like like the ferry uh additional fery staff required new recreation staff to deliver some of", "start": 4673.679, "end": 4680.44}, {"text": "the programs that are identified in the budget submission uh they aren't actually uh directly tied to the audit", "start": 4680.44, "end": 4687.4}, {"text": "recommendations we would be identifying future funding needs as we move the implementation work forward and our", "start": 4687.4, "end": 4693.96}, {"text": "resource now to undertake the initiatives that are required so you have space to implement", "start": 4693.96, "end": 4701.6}, {"text": "the recommendations before you proceed with adding additional person into those files that that were subject to the", "start": 4701.6, "end": 4710.12}, {"text": "investigation uh chair yes that's correct okay this year um Parks has a", "start": 4710.12, "end": 4715.84}, {"text": "net increase of 35 million 10.1% what are you forecasting for", "start": 4715.84, "end": 4721.639}, {"text": "future years chair the 2026 Outlook identifies", "start": 4721.639, "end": 4726.719}, {"text": "uh total gross expenditure um of 620 million I would say this is early", "start": 4726.719, "end": 4732}, {"text": "estimates we haven't obviously done the detailed Budget Building uh nor do we", "start": 4732, "end": 4737.12}, {"text": "know what some of uh council's priorities uh might be for next year so in terms of an Outlook we've identified", "start": 4737.12, "end": 4743.84}, {"text": "a 3.54% increase um above 2025 and in", "start": 4743.84, "end": 4749.44}, {"text": "2027 it's much further out but we've identified a 6.8% I will say uh the 10% that we've", "start": 4749.44, "end": 4756.36}, {"text": "identified we recognize that's a significant investment um but it's based on uh detailed work that we did with fpd", "start": 4756.36, "end": 4763.32}, {"text": "to really understand the structure Ral issues within the division's budget over years of impacts of things like covid", "start": 4763.32, "end": 4770.92}, {"text": "and really trying to shore up the resources that we need to maintain service levels and address the new priorities that are identified in the", "start": 4770.92, "end": 4778.52}, {"text": "budget okay and I just think the year's got a bit mixed up there so it's uh 2025 10% 2026 3.5% and 2027", "start": 4778.52, "end": 4788.28}, {"text": "6.8% that's what we've put into the Outlook years that's correct okay how", "start": 4788.28, "end": 4793.639}, {"text": "many FTE are you planning to add next year um we have", "start": 4793.639, "end": 4800.719}, {"text": "identified um sorry um 161.5 FTE are identified in the Outlook", "start": 4800.719, "end": 4808.36}, {"text": "um and again those will be subject to adjustments that may be required as a result of uh changing Capital project", "start": 4808.36, "end": 4814.719}, {"text": "completion timelines or other directions and priorities that come forward uh through Council over the course of this", "start": 4814.719, "end": 4821.639}, {"text": "year so this year is 22 but it's a 10% increase but then next year you're", "start": 4821.639, "end": 4827.639}, {"text": "looking at hiring 161 but only a 3.5% increase so how how what are you driving", "start": 4827.639, "end": 4833.76}, {"text": "down to help you accommodate those new employees and keep the cost around 3.5 next", "start": 4833.76, "end": 4839.4}, {"text": "year uh just for clarification uh the total number of new FTS being added this", "start": 4839.4, "end": 4845.08}, {"text": "year is actually 482 the 122 were associated only with the new and", "start": 4845.08, "end": 4850.159}, {"text": "enhanced initiatives that were identified so there's a larger FTE", "start": 4850.159, "end": 4855.679}, {"text": "uh add to the 2025 budget then uh", "start": 4855.679, "end": 4861.08}, {"text": "122 okay um I have a briefing note request that I'll be putting in that maybe you can outline all of that for us", "start": 4861.48, "end": 4868.84}, {"text": "a little bit clearer um and uh thank you to all of you and the work you do at the city absolutely thank", "start": 4868.84, "end": 4876.84}, {"text": "you okay um uh questions for Parks I'm going to go out to the non-members first", "start": 4876.84, "end": 4882.36}, {"text": "that are are virtual I think there are still to uh do I have uh counselor", "start": 4882.36, "end": 4887.719}, {"text": "chernos slin still councelor do you have uh questions on Parks uh oh you know I forgot to", "start": 4887.719, "end": 4895.239}, {"text": "mention sorry uh councelor chos sln um forestry we talked about this on M", "start": 4895.239, "end": 4900.8}, {"text": "forestry is still in this briefing note they're mid transition so this is where we would have forestry questions as well", "start": 4900.8, "end": 4907.36}, {"text": "I forgot to mention that earlier so it's parks recreation and just for one more year", "start": 4907.36, "end": 4913.52}, {"text": "Forestry go ahead I'm going to hold for now and listen to questions but I'll put my hand", "start": 4913.52, "end": 4919.96}, {"text": "up if I need okay okay uh is councelor chanti still", "start": 4919.96, "end": 4926}, {"text": "online oh okay um well if the camera's not on I'm going to assume no questions", "start": 4927.48, "end": 4933}, {"text": "Deputy Mayor Morley thank you madam chair um for forestry and thank you for the", "start": 4933, "end": 4939.76}, {"text": "clarification um wondering about our investment in this budget before for us", "start": 4939.76, "end": 4944.92}, {"text": "in our tree canopy and maintenance of um our trees in and around the city can you", "start": 4944.92, "end": 4951.639}, {"text": "highlight for us what we're seeing here and what anticipated impact that should have over the", "start": 4951.639, "end": 4958.84}, {"text": "year through the chair um so we have uh Contin we continue to invest in uh the", "start": 4959.48, "end": 4966.199}, {"text": "planting of uh 120,000 trees per year that's our sort of standard service level as well as the tree maintenance", "start": 4966.199, "end": 4973.159}, {"text": "that is part of the base budget uh going forward into 2025 uh we continue to invest in environmental stewardship", "start": 4973.159, "end": 4979.84}, {"text": "programs bringing volunteer out to help with invasive species management and uh", "start": 4979.84, "end": 4985.48}, {"text": "education um back on track funding in 2024 allowed us to plant an additional thousand trees there is a new and", "start": 4985.48, "end": 4991.88}, {"text": "enhanced initiative this year looking to plant uh 2700 additional small trees and", "start": 4991.88, "end": 4997.719}, {"text": "shrubs in tree uh deficit areas of the city and then of course we uh continue", "start": 4997.719, "end": 5003.639}, {"text": "to resp respond to tree maintenance issues and concerns across the city uh", "start": 5003.639, "end": 5009.28}, {"text": "in a way to Foster the tree canopy and hit the target of um by 20 50 40%", "start": 5009.28, "end": 5015.8}, {"text": "coverage fantastic um we are a city in a park and we love that about us so uh", "start": 5015.8, "end": 5021.76}, {"text": "it's really great to hear we're continuing that important investment um my second question along those lines is", "start": 5021.76, "end": 5028.12}, {"text": "related to contract uh oversight uh I don't recall if there was an audited", "start": 5028.12, "end": 5033.239}, {"text": "general report but I do recall that there was some uh issues raised previously I don't know if it was last", "start": 5033.239, "end": 5038.48}, {"text": "year but I believe maybe the year before around um challenges with the level of", "start": 5038.48, "end": 5044.32}, {"text": "services we were receiving from some of the contracts specific to tree maintenance um can you talk to me a little bit about what investment or what", "start": 5044.32, "end": 5050.92}, {"text": "um actions we are looking at to get on top of that issue chair yeah we are continuing our", "start": 5050.92, "end": 5058.04}, {"text": "contract maintenance uh program that has resulted driven greater efficiencies in the way that the services are being", "start": 5058.04, "end": 5064.639}, {"text": "delivered through the various contractors I will say that in 2024 urban forestry reported to Council on", "start": 5064.639, "end": 5070.4}, {"text": "the feasibility of further insourcing tree maintenance services and have been undertaking Quality Service pilot to", "start": 5070.4, "end": 5076.36}, {"text": "really understand uh whether or not pruning and other small tree removal work could be better done inhouse so", "start": 5076.36, "end": 5082.52}, {"text": "we're looking at sort of the quality the performance and the return on the investment and we'll be reporting back", "start": 5082.52, "end": 5087.6}, {"text": "on that later in 2025 great we look out for that report thank you so much those", "start": 5087.6, "end": 5092.76}, {"text": "are my questions Madam chair", "start": 5092.76, "end": 5096.32}, {"text": "okay um Council Chang thank you is there data around the", "start": 5098.199, "end": 5105.719}, {"text": "number of people who apply for welcome policy versus the number of people who use their allocated", "start": 5105.719, "end": 5113.28}, {"text": "funding just looking sorry chair uh we're just looking to see about that", "start": 5113.56, "end": 5119.4}, {"text": "data so maybe we'll come back to that sure or you can follow up offline absolutely in terms of uh wifi in the", "start": 5119.4, "end": 5127.239}, {"text": "community centers what is the cost to the city uh and the bandwidth that we're purchasing because I have heard some", "start": 5127.239, "end": 5134.04}, {"text": "negative feedback about people's experience with that Wi-Fi chair we", "start": 5134.04, "end": 5139.32}, {"text": "installed uh free public Wi-Fi at 127 community centers so major major", "start": 5139.32, "end": 5145.679}, {"text": "initiative over the last couple of years uh the cost per site was $3,150 um and that is sort the annual", "start": 5145.679, "end": 5154.96}, {"text": "cost uh to or about $262 per month is what to to maintain that um the Wi-Fi", "start": 5154.96, "end": 5161.56}, {"text": "bandwidth uh for 98% of the sites is 50 MBS and I'm going to confess I'm not", "start": 5161.56, "end": 5167.639}, {"text": "sure exactly what that stands for uh but what I do know is it's the maximum bandwidth on the internet infrastructure", "start": 5167.639, "end": 5173.52}, {"text": "provided by the city's vendor um we haven't heard a lot of concerns about um", "start": 5173.52, "end": 5179.08}, {"text": "bandwidth issues however I will say um that we're continuing to work to assess the uh", "start": 5179.08, "end": 5184.76}, {"text": "utility and um performance if you have specific locations please let us know", "start": 5184.76, "end": 5190.6}, {"text": "thank you of the 273 million budgeted for Investments how much is allocated to", "start": 5190.6, "end": 5196.639}, {"text": "dog offleash areas and of that money how much of that is section 37 versus uh", "start": 5196.639, "end": 5204.36}, {"text": "City funded chair we have 14 million identified in the 10year capital plan", "start": 5204.36, "end": 5209.8}, {"text": "for offleash areas um pleased to say for the first time we've allocated 9.5", "start": 5209.8, "end": 5215.159}, {"text": "million uh for state of good repair uh in our offleash areas thanks to dollars", "start": 5215.159, "end": 5220.44}, {"text": "made available through the gardener upload we have 4.5 million allocated for six new offleash areas 7% of which are", "start": 5220.44, "end": 5228.719}, {"text": "funded through Section $ 37 93% through uh development uh charges in section 42", "start": 5228.719, "end": 5236}, {"text": "I'll also mention that we are undertaking a council directed study on offleash areas this year we'll be", "start": 5236, "end": 5241.96}, {"text": "reporting back further on where Gap geographical gaps are and that will inform our facilities Parks master plan", "start": 5241.96, "end": 5248.76}, {"text": "which is currently underway because I've been told the only way I can get an offleash area is section 37 and there is", "start": 5248.76, "end": 5255.04}, {"text": "no other funding is that subject to change through this report that is coming I would say that sorry chair I", "start": 5255.04, "end": 5262.8}, {"text": "would say you know debt funding for new offleash areas is is a challenge with the constraints that we we still do have", "start": 5262.8, "end": 5270.04}, {"text": "um so primarily they have been funded historically through growth funding tools that are available we'll undertake", "start": 5270.04, "end": 5276.96}, {"text": "that study we'll understand better where those deficits are create a more of a design standard around them that can", "start": 5276.96, "end": 5283.76}, {"text": "hopefully help you know uh expand them where needed and maybe make them more affordable because I was quoted a", "start": 5283.76, "end": 5290.159}, {"text": "million dollars for one uh so there is a allocation of 1.3 million for the", "start": 5290.159, "end": 5295.52}, {"text": "encampment office along with 3698 million onetime Federal funding I'm", "start": 5295.52, "end": 5301.32}, {"text": "wondering what is the expected outcome for this increased investment and what happens when this", "start": 5301.32, "end": 5307.159}, {"text": "one-time funding ends what is the role of pfnr in encampments that is different", "start": 5307.159, "end": 5315.159}, {"text": "from what tsss is doing yeah chair we work closely with uh", "start": 5315.159, "end": 5321.92}, {"text": "TSS and and the encampment office does sit uh in TSS uh Parks uh the parks", "start": 5321.92, "end": 5328.239}, {"text": "function is what we call the parks ambassador program and fundamentally those staff are involved in conducting", "start": 5328.239, "end": 5335.32}, {"text": "uh Park visits um uh Wellness checks on uh folks that are uh residing in the", "start": 5335.32, "end": 5342.4}, {"text": "Parks removing hazards uh cleaning unwanted debris and really then undertaking the restoration work that is", "start": 5342.4, "end": 5349.719}, {"text": "needed so this money is allocated to people managing what's happening in the", "start": 5349.719, "end": 5356.48}, {"text": "encampments in the parks there this these dollars are allocated to the park", "start": 5356.48, "end": 5361.76}, {"text": "ambassador program that reside with the parks division but we work very closely", "start": 5361.76, "end": 5367.44}, {"text": "with uh tssh and the encampment office but it's uh but the 1.3 million is", "start": 5367.44, "end": 5373.92}, {"text": "funded through pfr not it's not a flow through from tsss that is correct but I will say this", "start": 5373.92, "end": 5381.159}, {"text": "year we are fortunate in that we are able to recover uh the cost associated", "start": 5381.159, "end": 5386.56}, {"text": "with the uh Parks forestry and Recreations encampment office through a federal and provincial grants my last", "start": 5386.56, "end": 5393.239}, {"text": "question how many free community centers are there and what is the difference and the", "start": 5393.239, "end": 5400.44}, {"text": "cost of operations in comparison to the nonfree community centers on average I", "start": 5400.44, "end": 5406.239}, {"text": "know they're all very different chair I can say that we have 39 free community", "start": 5406.239, "end": 5411.4}, {"text": "centers across the city we would have to follow up with you on on the costing related to and really it's around the", "start": 5411.4, "end": 5417.719}, {"text": "revenue that you do or don't you know earn for the delivery of those programs great thank you", "start": 5417.719, "end": 5424.76}, {"text": "okay that's councelor uh Chang uh councelor perks any questions for Parks", "start": 5424.76, "end": 5430.8}, {"text": "uh councelor chernos Lyn do you have any questions oh no camera", "start": 5430.8, "end": 5438.8}, {"text": "on I'm good thanks okay uh councelor Moyes is still coming so I will I'm", "start": 5438.8, "end": 5445.56}, {"text": "gonna ask a couple of questions councelor Moy should be returning uh from a a meeting that uh he's engaged in", "start": 5445.56, "end": 5453.719}, {"text": "with the mayor um there there's a lot of uh uh uh questions about the position", "start": 5453.719, "end": 5460.239}, {"text": "count and I'm wonder if you divide it up how much of that is if we and and I", "start": 5460.239, "end": 5465.92}, {"text": "don't even mean in a single year we we see growing positions in Parks but how", "start": 5465.92, "end": 5471.08}, {"text": "much of it really tracks back to the operating impact of", "start": 5471.08, "end": 5476.639}, {"text": "capital uh chair I will say that the uh operating impact of capital uh", "start": 5477.28, "end": 5484.199}, {"text": "represents uh 157.48cm", "start": 5484.199, "end": 5488.4}, {"text": "Forest Community Center um I was under huge pressure this is pre-and transfer tax uh we had two pennies left to rub", "start": 5514, "end": 5522.119}, {"text": "together and I was told you're just going to have to say no thanks because we we C we can't staff it he's he's", "start": 5522.119, "end": 5528.36}, {"text": "going to build it and then we can't stop it and I think the process by which that", "start": 5528.36, "end": 5534.52}, {"text": "happens now uh counselors aren't really uh aren't really exposed to it we just", "start": 5534.52, "end": 5539.639}, {"text": "know we have this offer uh we can use Community benefit funds and we can put", "start": 5539.639, "end": 5544.8}, {"text": "in well we have a cross toown community center at D Mills in Eglington will be another big one in North York and", "start": 5544.8, "end": 5551.199}, {"text": "sometimes even even in terms of parks when we're designing the park we know what we want in a corner but some some", "start": 5551.199, "end": 5558.56}, {"text": "parks are are more economically efficient to run than others um what's", "start": 5558.56, "end": 5563.88}, {"text": "the review process for parks to say there's too much operating impact from", "start": 5563.88, "end": 5569.04}, {"text": "Capital here as much as we want to take this facility there's a better way to to", "start": 5569.04, "end": 5574.6}, {"text": "organize it so that it doesn't have quite so much operating impact does that happen all behind the scenes and and", "start": 5574.6, "end": 5580.88}, {"text": "it's not shared with the local counselor chair I'd say you know the the uh undertaking of the facilities and Parks", "start": 5580.88, "end": 5587.52}, {"text": "master plan is a really important exercise which we're undertaking that review on now because it really", "start": 5587.52, "end": 5592.76}, {"text": "determines where are the service gaps both in terms of the uh provision of", "start": 5592.76, "end": 5597.8}, {"text": "parks recreational facilities and the types of amenities that we uh include in", "start": 5597.8, "end": 5604.08}, {"text": "them and it's those amenities that often Drive the higher or lower cost for example if you're going to put two", "start": 5604.08, "end": 5610.6}, {"text": "swimming pools side by side you're driving a much higher operating cost but we might not require that many swimming", "start": 5610.6, "end": 5617.44}, {"text": "pools so the the infrastructure planning is a service-based uh study that's done", "start": 5617.44, "end": 5624.32}, {"text": "that if we follow the plan then I think the operating impacts of capital are reasonable to the service needs of a", "start": 5624.32, "end": 5631.28}, {"text": "community okay I ask because you know I I've been around long enough that I", "start": 5631.28, "end": 5637.08}, {"text": "almost I can presuppose what you're going to say so I say you know before we I'm even in a room with Park staff no I", "start": 5637.08, "end": 5643.92}, {"text": "don't want that tiny little parket it's too expensive to reroute and go maintain it uh God forbid plant a tree in it now", "start": 5643.92, "end": 5651.239}, {"text": "someone's got to go and maintain that I want to assemble and do a bigger park over here um I just do that as a matter", "start": 5651.239, "end": 5658.32}, {"text": "of course but we're now in a case where we are growing in every Ward but we have 10 new counselors out of 25 are are they", "start": 5658.32, "end": 5665.8}, {"text": "getting that knowledge as they go through their application processes so they understand how you do that review", "start": 5665.8, "end": 5673.32}, {"text": "chair yes I mean our our Capital staff meet with uh with counselors at least", "start": 5673.32, "end": 5678.92}, {"text": "twice a year on planning priority setting and we make recommendations", "start": 5678.92, "end": 5684.52}, {"text": "around Parkland acquisition strategies that accomplish just that you know a mass land to create a more efficient", "start": 5684.52, "end": 5691.44}, {"text": "park that's better uh that can be better utilized by the public more centrally located and drive a more efficient", "start": 5691.44, "end": 5697.28}, {"text": "operating cost right right and it's not just about efficiency if if if you have a Masset", "start": 5697.28, "end": 5703.4}, {"text": "it's going to be better maintained which means the Public's going to enjoy that Park better correct yeah okay uh thank", "start": 5703.4, "end": 5709.159}, {"text": "you I wanted to put that on the record uh for those listening oh uh before I go to councelor Mo counc cassan turned his", "start": 5709.159, "end": 5715.92}, {"text": "microphone on we're kind of in committee now but did you have a question councelor centi on on Parks Recreation", "start": 5715.92, "end": 5721.96}, {"text": "and for one more year Forestry oh thank you so much for accommodating I I do I apologize for a late jumping in", "start": 5721.96, "end": 5729.04}, {"text": "but and it won't be long so how yeah thank you so just um to to clarify you", "start": 5729.04, "end": 5735.119}, {"text": "know we we get you know ongoing issues with the timing of you know mature uh uh", "start": 5735.119, "end": 5740.56}, {"text": "streets in our neighborhood and on the short cost of city with tree pruning does this budget include any additional", "start": 5740.56, "end": 5747}, {"text": "uh funding money to uh improve that particular service uh for tree pruning", "start": 5747, "end": 5753.4}, {"text": "because there a safety related issue with this", "start": 5753.4, "end": 5757.719}, {"text": "too chair there's uh the base budget has been sustained in terms of the funding", "start": 5759.4, "end": 5765.8}, {"text": "levels that we have for tree pruning but I will say that we've made significant uh progress on addressing the backlog", "start": 5765.8, "end": 5774}, {"text": "through a more efficient way of managing those contracts and it's our aim to", "start": 5774, "end": 5779.04}, {"text": "continue to do that to drive that backlog down and those have been some of the things we've been reporting back on", "start": 5779.04, "end": 5784.92}, {"text": "through the service Excellence committee on just the progress that we're making okay great thank you last", "start": 5784.92, "end": 5791.159}, {"text": "question how would you are you satisfied that you have enough uh in this budget to handle the state of good repair uh", "start": 5791.159, "end": 5798.28}, {"text": "you know with with uh community centers particularly some pool pools that I have", "start": 5798.28, "end": 5803.36}, {"text": "in my area that really need uh dire attention that you you and your team are very uh very much aware of uh is there", "start": 5803.36, "end": 5811}, {"text": "adequate um money put aside in this budget to accommodate the needs of um uh", "start": 5811, "end": 5817.92}, {"text": "uh you know that need to be addressed chair yes you know this is a historical investment", "start": 5817.92, "end": 5825}, {"text": "in uh parks for stre recreation State at good repair backlog with 400 million dollar allocated over 10 years we are", "start": 5825, "end": 5832.92}, {"text": "allocating um those funds primarily to critical infrastructure such as pools", "start": 5832.92, "end": 5838.119}, {"text": "pool mechanical equipment um aging infrastructure that we just haven't been able to get to too um we are uh ramping", "start": 5838.119, "end": 5846.199}, {"text": "up our Capital Staffing you'll note in the budget there's about 30 directly tied Capital positions many of who will", "start": 5846.199, "end": 5852.84}, {"text": "be dedicated to that state of good repair program so that we can maintain our capacity to spend move those", "start": 5852.84, "end": 5859.04}, {"text": "projects forward as quickly as we can thank you chair thank you we", "start": 5859.04, "end": 5864.719}, {"text": "appreciate it okay thank you councelor chanti councelor Moyes uh thank you and you madam chair uh if I these are repeat", "start": 5864.719, "end": 5872.96}, {"text": "questions I apologize and good morning hoe F te uh what specific measures does", "start": 5872.96, "end": 5878.28}, {"text": "this budget propose to improve the cleanliness maintenance and regular upkeep of our", "start": 5878.28, "end": 5884.678}, {"text": "Parks apologies chair we've identified $4 million uh in new and enhanced", "start": 5888.8, "end": 5894.36}, {"text": "funding to support enhanced cleaning and supervision and community recreation centers uh primarily can you just get", "start": 5894.36, "end": 5900.44}, {"text": "the tab uh primarily that's going to be uh looking at community centers that currently don't have dedicated cleaning", "start": 5900.44, "end": 5907.4}, {"text": "staff inclusive of outdoor pools or other seasonal facilities it'll allow us to hire 46 permanent uh 4016 employees", "start": 5907.4, "end": 5916.32}, {"text": "and allocate a number of management staff to support them um and as well it'll allocate funding to facilities", "start": 5916.32, "end": 5923.599}, {"text": "that currently may have cleaning staff but just not during all operating hour so we're really looking intentionally at", "start": 5923.599, "end": 5930.92}, {"text": "where those gaps have been and again this is a very uh a firsttime uh major", "start": 5930.92, "end": 5936.199}, {"text": "funding investment uh to support improved conditions within our recreational facilities really happy to", "start": 5936.199, "end": 5942.639}, {"text": "hear that and what strategies are being employed to ensure that the newly proposed Community programs are", "start": 5942.639, "end": 5949.08}, {"text": "accessible to equity deserving populations chair we work very uh", "start": 5949.08, "end": 5955.119}, {"text": "closely with our community organizations uh around what some of the barriers of accessing programs are I would say in", "start": 5955.119, "end": 5961.76}, {"text": "addition to uh affordable access policies like welcome policies and free centers this year's budget includes um", "start": 5961.76, "end": 5969.119}, {"text": "funding to initiate something we're calling early local registration um and it's something that we will be rolling", "start": 5969.119, "end": 5975.56}, {"text": "out uh to all of the free centers based on direction we receive from Council the intention is that um we will have a a", "start": 5975.56, "end": 5983.28}, {"text": "model that will allow residents within a certain uh Geographic catchment in", "start": 5983.28, "end": 5988.52}, {"text": "closest proximity to those free centers Advanced opportunities to register for programming that takes place there we've", "start": 5988.52, "end": 5995.28}, {"text": "heard that is a barrier we've heard that is a need and we are working with our community organizations and the local", "start": 5995.28, "end": 6001.4}, {"text": "counselors to initiate that uh this year okay and how will the success of the", "start": 6001.4, "end": 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thinking of John inis when I I'm going to ask this next question so", "start": 6049.159, "end": 6055.76}, {"text": "given the delays and timelines and increased costs associated with various projects what continency plans are in", "start": 6055.76, "end": 6062.52}, {"text": "place to manage potential budget overruns or funds funding gaps in the upcoming", "start": 6062.52, "end": 6069.76}, {"text": "year chair we've identified um what the um Capital uh sorry I'm I'm notor okay", "start": 6070, "end": 6079.199}, {"text": "uh We've identified um you know that there is cost escalation associ ated with projects and uh certainly some of", "start": 6079.199, "end": 6086.4}, {"text": "the um 10year Capital planning whether projects have needed to be deferred", "start": 6086.4, "end": 6091.48}, {"text": "outside of the 10-year plan or adjusted in terms of timeline are reflective of", "start": 6091.48, "end": 6096.52}, {"text": "the fact that you know we're we're leveraging the dollars that we do have to make sure that the projects that have", "start": 6096.52, "end": 6101.719}, {"text": "been prioritized can advance within the 10e plan um and part of it is also uh", "start": 6101.719, "end": 6107.599}, {"text": "the Staffing that we are working in the organization of our Capital planning unit to try and move those project", "start": 6107.599, "end": 6113.239}, {"text": "projects forward as as quickly as we can so that we're not um impacted by unnecessary delays cost overruns and", "start": 6113.239, "end": 6120.56}, {"text": "those sorts of things we're establishing a number of key performance indicators for Capital planning to also keep us", "start": 6120.56, "end": 6126.8}, {"text": "accountable and keep us on track it's wonderful just one final question what", "start": 6126.8, "end": 6132.76}, {"text": "specific measures are being introduced in the expanded community recreation programs to ensure they align with the", "start": 6132.76, "end": 6138.84}, {"text": "city Equity goals such as reduce permit fees for Community Le", "start": 6138.84, "end": 6144.28}, {"text": "activities chair we're really pleased to announce this year uh a no fee booking", "start": 6144.28, "end": 6149.84}, {"text": "category has been uh implemented within um the parks uh the parks area so that", "start": 6149.84, "end": 6155.719}, {"text": "will allow um nonprofit groups small groups the ability to use uh parks for a", "start": 6155.719, "end": 6161.8}, {"text": "number of social type programs um that zero uh fee booking um while very minor", "start": 6161.8, "end": 6168.32}, {"text": "in terms of foregone Revenue we think is going to have a Major Impact it would say the average", "start": 6168.32, "end": 6174}, {"text": "um permit um holder between $150 to $350 per booking it includes the waving of", "start": 6174, "end": 6180.96}, {"text": "insurance fees we've heard these are barriers before we're responding to that we anticipate approximately 5,000", "start": 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city who would like to become lifeguards on day what are we doing about that absolutely our our base", "start": 6230.679, "end": 6236.8}, {"text": "budget includes funding for a program that we call building skills through Recreation where our youth Outreach", "start": 6236.8, "end": 6241.84}, {"text": "workers are working out in communities identifying youth who may have barriers to some of the financial costs", "start": 6241.84, "end": 6248.8}, {"text": "associated with uh obtaining your lifeguard certifications as an example we work with those youth we provide the", "start": 6248.8, "end": 6255.679}, {"text": "funding needed for that certification we help them with their employment Readiness and uh last year we put over", "start": 6255.679, "end": 6262.56}, {"text": "600 youth through that program hired approximately 300 I don't know how many in lifeguarding but we're continuing to", "start": 6262.56, "end": 6269.239}, {"text": "build that that program up okay and is this information all getting directly to", "start": 6269.239, "end": 6274.96}, {"text": "the youth cabinet we will make sure if it isn't that they have it please do", "start": 6274.96, "end": 6280.56}, {"text": "okay thank you and I I I think we're uh we're finished the the parks review in", "start": 6280.56, "end": 6285.76}, {"text": "record time thank you must mean we have good analyst notes", "start": 6285.76, "end": 6295.04}, {"text": "okay so counselors uh I think we do have time because it's not even 11:30 yet for the fire chief I think we can get", "start": 6295.679, "end": 6301.8}, {"text": "through fire services this morning for", "start": 6301.8, "end": 6306}, {"text": "sure oops just closed out my thing okay", "start": 6315.28, "end": 6322.559}, {"text": "okay here he is good", "start": 6327.4, "end": 6332.92}, {"text": "morning okay good morning Chief good morning chair so uh I know that", "start": 6332.92, "end": 6338.44}, {"text": "councelor Mo has questions because when you were absent just in case you weren't back in time you give me one so uh I'll", "start": 6338.44, "end": 6344.52}, {"text": "just check for non-members and uh uh then go from there councelor cassan did you have any questions for fire services", "start": 6344.52, "end": 6353.119}, {"text": "think he's did he don't see him councelor chernos ly did you have fire Services questions", "start": 6353.119, "end": 6359.719}, {"text": "okay councelor Moyes uh good morning Chief and congrats to you once again I don't think I've", "start": 6359.719, "end": 6365.84}, {"text": "actually said congrats publicly yet um I do have a few questions um how", "start": 6365.84, "end": 6372}, {"text": "does the city plan to mitigate the long-term cost implications of the increasing wsib claims are there Strate", "start": 6372, "end": 6379}, {"text": "strategies to expand preventive measures or enhance workplace Wellness", "start": 6379, "end": 6385.36}, {"text": "programs through the chair um that uh answer is 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"introduction of our first psychologist we have seen a 61% decrease in the", "start": 6439.96, "end": 6446.679}, {"text": "number of wsib claims uh so from 2021 to", "start": 6446.679, "end": 6451.76}, {"text": "2024 we have seen a 61% decrease in the number of wsib claims uh and qu Frankly", "start": 6451.76, "end": 6459.639}, {"text": "Speaking with our staff psychologist uh the workload right now uh is just has", "start": 6459.639, "end": 6466.08}, {"text": "far exceeded uh uh the uh the capacity of a single psychologist especially when", "start": 6466.08, "end": 6471.44}, {"text": "it comes to one-on-one what what they would describe as tertiary care so uh chair that is the reason uh that is our", "start": 6471.44, "end": 6478}, {"text": "main plan for the um for the question uh in continuing the well-being for our firefighters uh not only the First", "start": 6478, "end": 6484.56}, {"text": "Responders on the trucks but also our dispatchers and our fire investigators as well as 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{"text": "sites at the end of March does your budget take into account an increase in call volumes are are you taking any", "start": 6528.32, "end": 6535.92}, {"text": "proactive measures to plan for the impact I've asked this of other departments as well yes so uh chair um", "start": 6535.92, "end": 6543.56}, {"text": "uh we continue to work closely with uh as Chief chalawa said with our paramedic colleagues and tronto Police Service um", "start": 6543.56, "end": 6550.639}, {"text": "it is next to impossible for us to predict what will happen uh TFS responds", "start": 6550.639, "end": 6556.56}, {"text": "to with Toronto paramedics Toronto paramedics Services based on the tiered response model that", "start": 6556.56, "end": 6563}, {"text": "runs through Sunnybrook hospital so we will continue to monitor uh chair just as an example uh we respond on average", "start": 6563, "end": 6570.119}, {"text": "to about 100 calls per year emergency service calls for year where we administered uh 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6660.719, "end": 6666.599}, {"text": "of paramedics the future of Toronto is 50 story buildings and uh at a minimum", "start": 6666.599, "end": 6672.599}, {"text": "it looks like and so what are the implications on safety capacity", "start": 6672.599, "end": 6677.639}, {"text": "equipment that is necessary um how is that reflected in this budget and are are there any considerations of changes", "start": 6677.639, "end": 6685}, {"text": "that need to be done to the building code to facilitate faster responses when people have fires at on the 50th", "start": 6685, "end": 6693.04}, {"text": "floor so uh chair I will take the two questions I believe uh counselor in them", "start": 6693.04, "end": 6699.04}, {"text": "so number one I'll address the building code because that's a simpler question first uh so as of 2007 the province of", "start": 6699.04, "end": 6706.119}, {"text": "Ontario amended the building code so any multi-residential units above three stories had to be sprinklered uh so 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the council", "start": 6748.4, "end": 6755}, {"text": "approval back in 2022 for the additional 156 net new FTE", "start": 6755, "end": 6762.079}, {"text": "that factored into that reporting Council in 2022 knowing that the city is going going to continue to grow both up", "start": 6762.079, "end": 6769.48}, {"text": "and and densified uh similarly the cfai and the council directed operational", "start": 6769.48, "end": 6775.52}, {"text": "deployment review has resulted in significant changes on how we do respond and how we allocate our resources and a", "start": 6775.52, "end": 6782.4}, {"text": "lot of that was driven by the vertical growth and then finally counselor uh chair when we come back with specific", "start": 6782.4, "end": 6789.32}, {"text": "equipment requests they have been approved by Council so for example our latest large tower Tower one the largest", "start": 6789.32, "end": 6794.92}, {"text": "one in North America um that was directly requested because of similar 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so we our best estimate as of right now is Q2 2025", "start": 6887.119, "end": 6893.44}, {"text": "Toronto fire service will receive uh the first two electric vehicle Pumpers um", "start": 6893.44, "end": 6898.639}, {"text": "for our trial uh period we really want to make sure that we that we um make", "start": 6898.639, "end": 6904.36}, {"text": "sure that we're comfortable with these vehicles that the firefighters are trained on them and that we actually see", "start": 6904.36, "end": 6909.8}, {"text": "how they work through all four seasons uh in this city uh before we continue to", "start": 6909.8, "end": 6915.4}, {"text": "uh expand so uh Q2 2025 we expect delivery uh of these vehicles and they", "start": 6915.4, "end": 6920.8}, {"text": "will be in service barring some unforeseen circumstance by the end of the year and she would like to know if", "start": 6920.8, "end": 6926.04}, {"text": "she can drive it once we validate her class D license", "start": 6926.04, "end": 6931.96}, {"text": "we'd be happy to help well then at least she wants to turn the sirens off thank you station it in a Scarboro unit so", "start": 6931.96, "end": 6939.56}, {"text": "that she can drive by on her way home from work and check in on it okay um uh", "start": 6939.56, "end": 6947.04}, {"text": "okay uh yes because I think I'm done uh we can indulge counselor Moy in one more question", "start": 6947.04, "end": 6952.76}, {"text": "thank you in regards to you know the change of the city you know we're a", "start": 6952.76, "end": 6957.8}, {"text": "vertical City now and it's great we're getting electrical vehicles but I I've seen online that there are firefighting", "start": 6957.8, "end": 6965.159}, {"text": "drones now are we look looking at technology in that regard and you you", "start": 6965.159, "end": 6971.44}, {"text": "talked about you know U Manpower quotations here people power um but what", "start": 6971.44, "end": 6978.28}, {"text": "about technology to help fight some of these uh vertical fires that we're seeing", "start": 6978.28, "end": 6983.719}, {"text": "so uh chair uh the technology piece is something we have uh really focused in", "start": 6983.719, "end": 6989.48}, {"text": "on since our uh CF accreditation process and that was one of the drivers uh one", "start": 6989.48, "end": 6994.84}, {"text": "of the many drivers out of that process so uh our new deputy chief um deputy chief Paul Fitzgerald that is under his", "start": 6994.84, "end": 7001.239}, {"text": "program area uh and again that is something we are looking at not specifically to drones but to all", "start": 7001.239, "end": 7006.8}, {"text": "aspects so for example when we brought in the request for Tower 1 uh we brought in a request for a second high-rise", "start": 7006.8, "end": 7013.32}, {"text": "apparatus a number of years ago that Council approved and special equipment in terms of how we respond to these", "start": 7013.32, "end": 7018.76}, {"text": "types of buildings so um technology uh and how that can be used especially with", "start": 7018.76, "end": 7023.92}, {"text": "the vertical growth is something that our department continues to work", "start": 7023.92, "end": 7028.678}, {"text": "on okay uh Deputy Mayor Morley thank you madam chair through you um to the team", "start": 7029.76, "end": 7035.599}, {"text": "thank you for joining us today and thank you for your good work um I'm just wondering around the uh area of extreme", "start": 7035.599, "end": 7041.8}, {"text": "events extreme weather events we know we've had uh forest fires which luckily didn't directly impact our city but", "start": 7041.8, "end": 7047.76}, {"text": "flooding is another big one that I know um the service responds to I'm wondering if in terms of the uh longer View and", "start": 7047.76, "end": 7055.599}, {"text": "the capital uh investment uh Chief you've mentioned about you know some of the high-rise apparatus and other pieces", "start": 7055.599, "end": 7061.48}, {"text": "um is there a analysis happening as the budgets are being built around uh risks", "start": 7061.48, "end": 7067.599}, {"text": "and uh mitigating for extreme weather and considering the envir that we're", "start": 7067.599, "end": 7072.76}, {"text": "continuing to build a concrete jungle um you know and it is more and more difficult for us to to navigate those", "start": 7072.76, "end": 7078.52}, {"text": "pieces can you just talk to us a little bit about um the approach and any budget allocations that are inclusive of", "start": 7078.52, "end": 7084.28}, {"text": "managing extreme weather events certainly uh so chair uh that's absolutely occurs in fact after any", "start": 7084.28, "end": 7090.84}, {"text": "extreme weather event or any type of significant event Toronto fire Services conducts after Action reviews and", "start": 7090.84, "end": 7096.36}, {"text": "reports uh and then we take those recommendations uh and when when they require a budgetary request as as", "start": 7096.36, "end": 7102.8}, {"text": "opposed to an operational uh change uh we Advanced that through the budget so", "start": 7102.8, "end": 7108.079}, {"text": "as an example chair we realized after the July flood that we needed to increase our ability to respond to", "start": 7108.079, "end": 7114.599}, {"text": "elevator rescues uh so that work was immediately identified after our review", "start": 7114.599, "end": 7119.639}, {"text": "uh plans were put in place uh and that work actually we've been working with Creme um over the last number of months", "start": 7119.639, "end": 7125.679}, {"text": "on how we could actually work with them on some contracts to make sure that we can provide the required training that", "start": 7125.679, "end": 7132.199}, {"text": "was identified through the very question that you asked so that is something that we do as a matter of course uh and if", "start": 7132.199, "end": 7138.04}, {"text": "budget requests are required uh I will absolutely come forward with them fantastic thanks Chief those are my", "start": 7138.04, "end": 7144}, {"text": "questions okay thank you uh I just had uh one question I don't think anyone", "start": 7144, "end": 7149.199}, {"text": "covered it um so you're in the the last year of a of a multi-year hiring plan", "start": 7149.199, "end": 7154.719}, {"text": "we've got one more TR going in um and I wonder if you can tell us uh if it if it", "start": 7154.719, "end": 7160.48}, {"text": "if it does what it's meant to do that this all started with you had reached the point where you weren't able to", "start": 7160.48, "end": 7166.199}, {"text": "provide coverage with with absences we had we had Crews that were unit short", "start": 7166.199, "end": 7171.52}, {"text": "and so I'm wonder if we get uh a two-fold Improvement here you should now be able to cover those absences uh with", "start": 7171.52, "end": 7178.88}, {"text": "the the hiring plan years having gone through but do we also get with an", "start": 7178.88, "end": 7184.719}, {"text": "improved uh Wellness do we also get the decrease in the number of absences by", "start": 7184.719, "end": 7190.239}, {"text": "not being so uh uh you know short changed with the with the compliment", "start": 7190.239, "end": 7195.4}, {"text": "that you had so chair multi-point answer so um", "start": 7195.4, "end": 7201.48}, {"text": "you're absolutely correct so we are in the Final Phase of the 156 net new and those 52 will be uh completed by the end", "start": 7201.48, "end": 7209}, {"text": "of 2025 um we have two main challenges right now with Toronto fire service on", "start": 7209, "end": 7215.599}, {"text": "very similar to our emergency service Partners number one is the continued increase in wsib yes absences uh as I", "start": 7215.599, "end": 7222.599}, {"text": "said an 82% increase over the last number of years and that we anticipate to continue to grow so the", "start": 7222.599, "end": 7229.76}, {"text": "156 um net new that Council has provided as an example barely covers the absences", "start": 7229.76, "end": 7236.639}, {"text": "that wsib continues to grow okay um so the impact though absolutely has", "start": 7236.639, "end": 7243.48}, {"text": "stabilized uh our that what was decreasing as our first in total response time and when that report was", "start": 7243.48, "end": 7250.44}, {"text": "brought forward at the end of 20 21 that was the primary objective of that report was to kind of Flatline the projected", "start": 7250.44, "end": 7257.76}, {"text": "decrease uh in first and apparatus or what we would call our total response time and we have kind of plateaued there", "start": 7257.76, "end": 7263.88}, {"text": "so it has done its job okay the other main challenge chair that we have is our continued vacancy count and that is", "start": 7263.88, "end": 7271.239}, {"text": "something that uh Council has been very gracious with supporting our double classes um much like the chief of police", "start": 7271.239, "end": 7278.04}, {"text": "mentioned yesterday we are maxed out at 208 recruit recruit firefighters a year", "start": 7278.04, "end": 7283.32}, {"text": "out of the Toronto fire academy um but to give you some numbers as of right now we have over 500 firef Fighters that are", "start": 7283.32, "end": 7290.8}, {"text": "eligible to retire uh in the next five years we will have just under 900 that", "start": 7290.8, "end": 7296.36}, {"text": "are eligible to retire so we're in this constant circle of classes are coming in but more are still exiting and so it's", "start": 7296.36, "end": 7303.599}, {"text": "something that we're going to continue to manage and continue to push through as many recruits as possible but we are", "start": 7303.599, "end": 7309.52}, {"text": "in a bubble right now that actually started as in a decision in 1957 where", "start": 7309.52, "end": 7314.599}, {"text": "every 30 to 35 years we will lose hundreds and hundreds of people based on", 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Chief Jess", "start": 7405.199, "end": 7411.52}, {"text": "okay uh then we are making great progress counselors done fire paramedics", "start": 7411.52, "end": 7417.119}, {"text": "we done Parks so now we'll go back up to uh to the list we can do the rest of the", "start": 7417.119, "end": 7422.239}, {"text": "list in order so we're up to Children's Services yeah", "start": 7422.239, "end": 7429.079}, {"text": "okay uh uh questions for children's services I'm I'll start uh uh with the", "start": 7450.84, "end": 7457.199}, {"text": "members uh outside the committee uh councilor chos Lynn did you have any questions on children's services okay is", "start": 7457.199, "end": 7465.199}, {"text": "councelor Chan even still logged in okay uh so councelor Moyes you had", "start": 7465.199, "end": 7471.639}, {"text": "some questions yes thank you and through Madam chair uh first question does the", "start": 7471.639, "end": 7477.76}, {"text": "2025 2034 Capital plan make adequate Investments for Toronto to meet its", "start": 7477.76, "end": 7482.96}, {"text": "Total Space Target and the growing demand for childcare spaces uh to the chair the uh growth for", "start": 7482.96, "end": 7491.96}, {"text": "child care in Toronto is made up of a number of different components partially our 10-year Capital plan which is over a", "start": 7491.96, "end": 7499.4}, {"text": "thousand spaces we also have about 170 projects in uh in development projects", "start": 7499.4, "end": 7505.92}, {"text": "so working with developers which will bring on thousands of spaces does it meet the demand no quite frankly it", "start": 7505.92, "end": 7513.239}, {"text": "won't there has been with the uh Canada wide the commitment from The Province", "start": 7513.239, "end": 7518.84}, {"text": "was an expansion of spaces but to date there has been no Capital funding um", "start": 7518.84, "end": 7524.559}, {"text": "provided to grow those spaces so we use the tools that we have within our means and we continue to grow the system okay", "start": 7524.559, "end": 7533.04}, {"text": "and the capital plan for 2026 2027 seems quite ambitious based on your average", "start": 7533.04, "end": 7538.599}, {"text": "capacity how confident are you that you'll be able to meet those targets uh", "start": 7538.599, "end": 7544.04}, {"text": "to the chair we do a very thorough assessment with financial planning each", "start": 7544.04, "end": 7549.239}, {"text": "year to look at the reality and and how quickly we can deliver those programs", "start": 7549.239, "end": 7554.76}, {"text": "and when they're on track so if they're there in those years we are confident that they are on track and if not we", "start": 7554.76, "end": 7561.119}, {"text": "will make those adjustments we I'll just add there that most of the projects that", "start": 7561.119, "end": 7566.159}, {"text": "we are involved with in through Capital we the city doesn't actually build them they're often built by developers School", 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development so we are a partner at that table uh they're very aware of the need", "start": 7616.559, "end": 7623.8}, {"text": "for the growth in child care um so you know we are still making progress in that area despite the changes in the", "start": 7623.8, "end": 7631.04}, {"text": "community benefits so are you still seeing new newly negotiated Child Care", "start": 7631.04, "end": 7637.079}, {"text": "spaces in new developments under the Community benefits yes yes we are yes oh that's great and", "start": 7637.079, "end": 7645.36}, {"text": "uh how many would you say in the past year have been negotiated oh well as I", "start": 7645.36, "end": 7650.48}, {"text": "said we have a list of 130 and so they're all in various stages some of them would be section 37 right right and", "start": 7650.48, "end": 7657.8}, {"text": "some of them would be at an early uh we're interested H some of them would be in the design stage and so on and so on", "start": 7657.8, "end": 7665.199}, {"text": "so they be in various phases we we only start to count them once there's a commitment that says children services", "start": 7665.199, "end": 7671.96}, {"text": "will be partner and then we work through the life cycle so can I get a summary at", "start": 7671.96, "end": 7677.079}, {"text": "some point of the number under Section 37 that are in the pipeline and how many", "start": 7677.079, "end": 7682.4}, {"text": "are under Community benefits that would be great so we can get that to you e thank you uh also you know there was", "start": 7682.4, "end": 7689.079}, {"text": "this great hoopla everyone was excited $10 a day daycare uh but we see here", "start": 7689.079, "end": 7695.119}, {"text": "it's actually $2 $18 right now is there a plan or Pathway to ever getting to $10", "start": 7695.119, "end": 7702.679}, {"text": "or is I mean 20 is still a lot better than it ever was but uh is yeah is there", "start": 7702.679, "end": 7709.32}, {"text": "a pathway to that and funding uh to the chair the Canada wide", "start": 7709.32, "end": 7715.44}, {"text": "program is a five-year implementation uh 2026 is the last year this year there", "start": 7715.44, "end": 7721.52}, {"text": "was a significant reduction again to child care fees down to 2022 a day", "start": 7721.52, "end": 7727.4}, {"text": "whether we get to what the province calls an average of $10 a day which leaves open some room uh whe whether we", "start": 7727.4, "end": 7734.719}, {"text": "get that we'll be entirely contingent on uh Federal and provincial", "start": 7734.719, "end": 7739.84}, {"text": "fundings um which you know will be confirmed uh so you know we are very", "start": 7739.84, "end": 7745.96}, {"text": "optimistic though about the changes and we have uh we've seen parents fees reduce from 2022 rates between 40 and", "start": 7745.96, "end": 7754.119}, {"text": "70% which is life changing what I paid and uh in terms of the", "start": 7754.119, "end": 7762.159}, {"text": "um working conditions of childcare workers we know that some uh operators", "start": 7762.159, "end": 7768.8}, {"text": "have felt that the funding formula has really made it quite difficult for them to operate and some have even backed out", "start": 7768.8, "end": 7775.88}, {"text": "how many daycares have backed out uh of the cwecc and what are their primary reasons", "start": 7775.88, "end": 7783.76}, {"text": "for doing so uh to the chair so when the program was initially launched we had a", "start": 7783.76, "end": 7789.599}, {"text": "group a small group of uh that opted out and have not been part of the program with the change in funding January 1st", "start": 7789.599, "end": 7796.559}, {"text": "we had 14 operators notify us that they intended to op out we worked very", "start": 7796.559, "end": 7802.48}, {"text": "closely with those operators a lot of myth busting a lot of education and as a", "start": 7802.48, "end": 7807.88}, {"text": "result seven of those locations are remaining so 400 families are going to", "start": 7807.88, "end": 7813.559}, {"text": "remain in the system and continue to benefit uh so at the end of the day that the new opt outs there was seven out of", "start": 7813.559, "end": 7820.92}, {"text": "over 900 programs okay and uh my last question so last year uh the province", "start": 7820.92, "end": 7828.159}, {"text": "downloaded 50% of the cost of administering child care in our city", "start": 7828.159, "end": 7833.76}, {"text": "what is that amount this year that property tax spase will have to pay for", "start": 7833.76, "end": 7838.84}, {"text": "in terms of administration of child care um the funding that we receive as you'll", "start": 7838.84, "end": 7844.84}, {"text": "see it's quite large it's uh 63% Federal funding uh 31% provincial and right now", "start": 7844.84, "end": 7851.719}, {"text": "we're at about 6% Municipal and that is uh includes our required cost shares so", "start": 7851.719, "end": 7857.119}, {"text": "the province 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7897.36, "end": 7906}, {"text": "million is a download because two two years ago The Province did pay for the", "start": 7906, "end": 7913.079}, {"text": "cost of administration oh specifically related to the administration changes so", "start": 7913.079, "end": 7918.199}, {"text": "we have been addressing those changes year-over-year if you go back and look at our budgets through efficiencies um", "start": 7918.199, "end": 7925.079}, {"text": "right and so we've had decreases through efficiencies year-over-year to address that we continue to work on", "start": 7925.079, "end": 7931.84}, {"text": "opportunities to utilize um our flexibility we do have some flexibility", "start": 7931.84, "end": 7936.88}, {"text": "with funding and with new federal funding to cover those administrative costs", "start": 7936.88, "end": 7942.199}, {"text": "those are my questions you bet um okay other questions on children's services", "start": 7942.199, "end": 7948.159}, {"text": "oh councelor croissan yes if I could be indulged thank you uh chair so just to pick up", "start": 7948.159, "end": 7955.639}, {"text": "what C CH left off did I just hear that's a $27 million additional pressure", "start": 7955.639, "end": 7962.119}, {"text": "for child care services operating Services uh as a result of the um", "start": 7962.119, "end": 7967.44}, {"text": "provincial or federal uh um amount uh not covering in full the total operating", "start": 7967.44, "end": 7974.84}, {"text": "cost uh to the chair just to be clear maybe I wasn't clear there is no operating pressure on the city so new", "start": 7974.84, "end": 7982.239}, {"text": "investments from the federal government have offset any pressure so there is no new operating pressure on the city on", "start": 7982.239, "end": 7989.8}, {"text": "the city's net uh contribution all right great thank you and also heard you uh in your uh", "start": 7989.8, "end": 7996.88}, {"text": "presentation earlier you mentioned that we have about 120 new 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{"text": "million put aside at the time that I believe the city has already received is", "start": 8048.079, "end": 8053.84}, {"text": "that dayare or Child Care uh almost uh ready to function or is it", "start": 8053.84, "end": 8061.639}, {"text": "ready to open there is no uh there's no risk to the funding for that childcare and we continue to work closely with uh", "start": 8061.639, "end": 8068.36}, {"text": "Toronto Community Housing as you know around the space where it is intended to", "start": 8068.36, "end": 8073.96}, {"text": "be built so that project is continuing but um I you know I appreciate it takes", "start": 8073.96, "end": 8079.76}, {"text": "a long time to build J projects and you know that's typically our experience", "start": 8079.76, "end": 8084.88}, {"text": "three to four years easily all right well thank you thank you chair that was all", "start": 8084.88, "end": 8091.44}, {"text": "thank you any other questions uh okay I I'm going to ask some questions just to to be", "start": 8091.44, "end": 8098.04}, {"text": "illustrative uh to clear up some things because it's it's it's been a revolution and so I think there are some confusions", "start": 8098.04, "end": 8105.239}, {"text": "uh to to to follow in counc chanti's line of questioning well Children's", "start": 8105.239, "end": 8110.559}, {"text": "Services helps coordinate the the uh the building of a child care center that", "start": 8110.559, "end": 8116.679}, {"text": "comes as a result of development we're not necessarily in all of those cas is saying and it's going to be a city-run", "start": 8116.679, "end": 8122.96}, {"text": "child care center we're looking for those agencies to host so that's another factor in the timing is yeah to to the", "start": 8122.96, "end": 8129.88}, {"text": "chair in fact um you know very almost all the time when a capital development", "start": 8129.88, "end": 8136.76}, {"text": "like that happens we do an expression of interest and we invite the community um to become the operator which then", "start": 8136.76, "end": 8144.04}, {"text": "doesn't put the operating pressure on the city right and and to to the the the", "start": 8144.04, "end": 8150.159}, {"text": "cost of administ ation well basically the the the Whole Net budget of uh of uh", "start": 8150.159, "end": 8155.36}, {"text": "95 million some OD dollars Council made a decision uh years ago well at", "start": 8155.36, "end": 8160.96}, {"text": "amalgamation we have an extraordinary number of child care centers and we're growing them as best we can through", "start": 8160.96, "end": 8166.96}, {"text": "development growth if the province wants to to do the capital piece of quel uh", "start": 8166.96, "end": 8173.44}, {"text": "that would get even better but we made a decision to have a children's services coordinating all of this I'm putting you", "start": 8173.44, "end": 8181}, {"text": "on the spot maybe but if we didn't have this overarching coordinating service in", 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8225.281, "end": 8230.76}, {"text": "then supporting them through the transformation right and without it if they had to just you know directly", "start": 8230.76, "end": 8238.12}, {"text": "enroll with the province in the program uh they're probably wouldn't be that level of of coordination support uh to", "start": 8238.12, "end": 8245.399}, {"text": "the chair I can tell you we spent a significant amount of time over the past two years working with operators", "start": 8245.4, "end": 8252.478}, {"text": "directly in many different venues and tools and resources uh and even at that", "start": 8252.479, "end": 8259.24}, {"text": "it's a challenge right it's a major transformation but we are really pleased that uh in the city city of Toronto the", "start": 8259.24, "end": 8266.518}, {"text": "uptake is great and as I said in terms of off being out seven out of over 900", "start": 8266.519, "end": 8273.598}, {"text": "it you know not good for those families but we were able to convince seven who were leaving to stay so that was a good", "start": 8273.599, "end": 8279.719}, {"text": "news story for us and last question I would love to have this I know it's awkward because there were different", "start": 8279.719, "end": 8286.558}, {"text": "there were different uh uh fee scales all over the system depending on not for-profits and profits and even within", "start": 8286.559, "end": 8293.518}, {"text": "not for-profits all sorts of different rates but we hear anecdotally people", "start": 8293.519, "end": 8299.399}, {"text": "saying you know I've said save $10,000 a year I I'm only having a", "start": 8299.4, "end": 8304.719}, {"text": "second child because of this do we have a number that we can say on average families are saving x uh uh what what do", "start": 8304.719, "end": 8312.598}, {"text": "you quote when people ask you that question uh to you chair the average savings would be between 40% and 70% and", "start": 8312.599, "end": 8320.678}, {"text": "it's not an exact number because it's dependent on the age of the child an infant fee may have been", "start": 8320.679, "end": 8327.399}, {"text": "$1,000 a month previously now would be at the high end 70% reduction at $22 a", "start": 8327.4, "end": 8334.28}, {"text": "day whereas a preschool fee would have been less so their reduction is about 40 so the the range is depending on the age", "start": 8334.281, "end": 8341.8}, {"text": "of the child but at this point in time if you have a child who's an infant a", "start": 8341.8, "end": 8346.92}, {"text": "toddler or a preschooler or kindergarten the fee is $22 a day right okay thank", "start": 8346.92, "end": 8353.558}, {"text": "you so much um are are those is that it for children's services okay thank you", "start": 8353.559, "end": 8359.399}, {"text": "thank you thank yeah uh we're moving on to court", "start": 8359.4, "end": 8365.12}, {"text": "services are there questions of court services having done that little clarification earlier perhaps", "start": 8365.12, "end": 8372.558}, {"text": "not you may you you may be getting an early lunch hour uh let me just ask the the virtual members are there any", "start": 8372.559, "end": 8379.359}, {"text": "questions of court services uh online councelor chos", "start": 8379.36, "end": 8385.678}, {"text": "Linn councelor croissan really I really appreciated the explanation earlier so", "start": 8385.679, "end": 8391.92}, {"text": "thank you very much you addressed my question okay someone must have tipped", "start": 8391.92, "end": 8397.16}, {"text": "you off councelor CTI okay seeing none enjoy your lunch", "start": 8397.16, "end": 8404.76}, {"text": "hour okay then we are moving on to Economic Development and", "start": 8404.76, "end": 8411.12}, {"text": "culture not so lucky they'll probably be here till the lunch hour starts", "start": 8411.52, "end": 8418.881}, {"text": "good morning so counselors we're moving on to Economic Development and", "start": 8436.76, "end": 8442}, {"text": "culture uh uh fairly uh you know a lot of uh a lot of topics touched on in the", "start": 8442, "end": 8448.479}, {"text": "analyst notes uh councelor chanti do you have any", "start": 8448.479, "end": 8453.92}, {"text": "questions I think he disappeared again councel chos", "start": 8454.84, "end": 8459.84}, {"text": "Lyn nope I'm okay thanks okay uh questions on economic development", "start": 8460.76, "end": 8466.28}, {"text": "culture councelor Moyes you want to go first thank you and three Madam speaker uh so we are budgeting 2.5 million less", "start": 8466.28, "end": 8473.24}, {"text": "for Bia Finance funding projects due to low uptake and 7 million more for Bia", "start": 8473.24, "end": 8479.96}, {"text": "Capital cost sharing programs due to high uptake I know there are a lot of", "start": 8479.96, "end": 8485.8}, {"text": "ambitious Bas who reg regularly hit up hit their cap so why not shift the", "start": 8485.8, "end": 8492.08}, {"text": "entire 2.5 million to increase the amount available for cost sharing", "start": 8492.08, "end": 8497.8}, {"text": "purposes um through the chair to you councelor Moy and apologies for my voice", "start": 8497.8, "end": 8504.28}, {"text": "um we are uh increasing the amount available to the capital cost share", "start": 8504.28, "end": 8509.68}, {"text": "program with Bia uh based on level of demand and indications that we're receiving from", "start": 8509.68, "end": 8516.04}, {"text": "tabia through our action plan consultation um other amounts relate", "start": 8516.04, "end": 8521.64}, {"text": "actually to reductions that we have in federal government funding for Main Street initiatives so those are being", "start": 8521.64, "end": 8528.68}, {"text": "backed out as a multi-year federal government grant uh declines ah I see so it's not your", "start": 8528.68, "end": 8536.319}, {"text": "initiative um okay so we know with the impending loss of cultural spaces like", "start": 8536.319, "end": 8542.479}, {"text": "the Phoenix and my ward uh that small or mediumsized venues for artists and", "start": 8542.479, "end": 8548.12}, {"text": "performances are shrinking how does this budget Advance efforts to secure new", "start": 8548.12, "end": 8553.88}, {"text": "affordable performance spaces through the chair to you counselor Moyes um there are a number of", "start": 8553.88, "end": 8560.399}, {"text": "actions uh within the new and enhanced uh s in the operating budget 3edc", "start": 8560.399, "end": 8565.439}, {"text": "that'll support creative space uh we've got a position that's related to the", "start": 8565.439, "end": 8570.6}, {"text": "nighttime economy where with January 1 of this year we have new regulations", "start": 8570.6, "end": 8575.76}, {"text": "allowing for a broader distribution of entertainment venues in the city we need to be able to promote uh those", "start": 8575.76, "end": 8582.479}, {"text": "regulatory changes to the market to allow entrepreneurs to take them up um", "start": 8582.479, "end": 8587.6}, {"text": "we also need to support access to the collocation facilities property tax", "start": 8587.6, "end": 8593.92}, {"text": "subass which gives a tax break to live music venues and has contributed", "start": 8593.92, "end": 8599}, {"text": "significantly to reserving them in Toronto uh and we work really closely", "start": 8599, "end": 8605.399}, {"text": "with Community organizations who have ideas for Creative space be that in City", "start": 8605.399, "end": 8611.52}, {"text": "owned facilities uh or thirdparty projects and the addition of uh the FTE", "start": 8611.52, "end": 8617.88}, {"text": "in this plan will assist us in doing that okay and I see you have an", "start": 8617.88, "end": 8623.6}, {"text": "ambitious plan to create 40 new Bas over the next 10 years uh for year um the Bia", "start": 8623.6, "end": 8631.72}, {"text": "office I find doesn't really help create Bia they they more an advisory uh I", "start": 8631.72, "end": 8641.08}, {"text": "don't know Department how can we how how do you plan to make this happen uh through the", "start": 8641.08, "end": 8648.92}, {"text": "chair to you councelor Moyes um couple of questions there first you're right", "start": 8648.92, "end": 8654.2}, {"text": "the Bia office currently which has a complement of six ftes Services what is", "start": 8654.2, "end": 8659.439}, {"text": "now 85 Bia so a little bit more than 14 each", "start": 8659.439, "end": 8664.68}, {"text": "their primary function is to ensure the compliance of the Bas with chapter 19 of the municipal code uh and the other", "start": 8664.68, "end": 8671.359}, {"text": "requirements associated with Bia uh Bia growth is really driven by", "start": 8671.359, "end": 8677.399}, {"text": "Community where organically a small number of business owners will get together in an area not serviced by a", "start": 8677.399, "end": 8683.64}, {"text": "Bia and work with the city to bring forward um a vote uh at two instances in", "start": 8683.64, "end": 8691.64}, {"text": "order to have the authority to uh Levy uh funding and create a Bia through", "start": 8691.64, "end": 8697.92}, {"text": "Council um we anticipate Bia have grown significantly um up 10 uh Bas in the", "start": 8697.92, "end": 8706.2}, {"text": "last approximately 10 years so while we are calling for 125 through the next 10", "start": 8706.2, "end": 8712.96}, {"text": "years we think that the current pace of growth suggests that uh and there are a", "start": 8712.96, "end": 8718}, {"text": "lot of areas of the city right now not serviced by a Bia uh which are looking", "start": 8718, "end": 8723.6}, {"text": "to uh to build a Bia over time okay you and I should have a conversation about", "start": 8723.6, "end": 8729.56}, {"text": "this because I find that there we there's some tweaking I think we need to do around that", "start": 8729.56, "end": 8735.399}, {"text": "um and I'll have ask one one final question um and I I spoke to the Toronto", "start": 8735.399, "end": 8741.56}, {"text": "police offs yesterday and they mentioned that when it comes to PID duties is the association who actually sets the fee", "start": 8741.56, "end": 8748.319}, {"text": "but this is also uh hard for special events like pry Toronto", "start": 8748.319, "end": 8754.76}, {"text": "and Korean parade and others", "start": 8754.76, "end": 8759.96}, {"text": "uh what are you going to do to ensure that the funding that they receive goes to the operations of the", "start": 8760, "end": 8768.16}, {"text": "festival and the organization not necessarily just for for paid", "start": 8768.16, "end": 8773.6}, {"text": "Duty that make sense to you through the chair to you uh Council Moyes uh yes we", "start": 8773.6, "end": 8780.64}, {"text": "we support festivals uh through multiple Avenues and we recognize that uh pedos", "start": 8780.64, "end": 8786.52}, {"text": "and other cost associated with security and Public Safety have risen on the order of 30% in the last five years um", "start": 8786.52, "end": 8794}, {"text": "in response to that the city introduced the special event stabilization initiative last year and we're calling", "start": 8794, "end": 8799.88}, {"text": "for the continuation of that which had been a one-time initiative last year the", "start": 8799.88, "end": 8805.12}, {"text": "continuation of that through the uh new and enhanced s ADC budget here it does", "start": 8805.12, "end": 8810.76}, {"text": "allow for pdos um but what the state we'd like to", "start": 8810.76, "end": 8816.24}, {"text": "get to is much closer collaboration with festivals to actually work with them to", "start": 8816.24, "end": 8821.319}, {"text": "reduce their exposure to pdos through a combination um uh of efforts like site", "start": 8821.319, "end": 8827.52}, {"text": "planning the use of other forms of security uh and ultimately bring down the cost of pdos so why do not give the", "start": 8827.52, "end": 8834.96}, {"text": "police the money to the police rather than to the festival then I that that the previous question", "start": 8834.96, "end": 8841.319}, {"text": "which was on the same topic was your last question we're at six minutes now okay uh perhaps someone will follow on", "start": 8841.319, "end": 8847.88}, {"text": "thank you uh questions of Economic Development councelor Chang the chair uh what kind of", "start": 8847.88, "end": 8854.72}, {"text": "Municipal tools are available to increase access to spaces um I'm just", "start": 8854.72, "end": 8860.319}, {"text": "thinking how you know n live we have some wonderful spaces but they are", "start": 8860.319, "end": 8865.359}, {"text": "actually Out Of Reach for a lot of uh emerging arts groups because of how expensive they are right through the", "start": 8865.359, "end": 8872.359}, {"text": "charity counselor Chang um the tools that we have available to help Community organizations access space uh include", "start": 8872.359, "end": 8879.72}, {"text": "being incubated by the network of um local art service organizations such as", "start": 8879.72, "end": 8885.279}, {"text": "North e Arts uh in North York uh also the major funded organizations uh that", "start": 8885.279, "end": 8891.96}, {"text": "we provide operating support to have a requirement in their contribution agreements to also help incubate and", "start": 8891.96, "end": 8897.88}, {"text": "provide space to emerging organizations ations uh and we try to facilitate that thirdly we do try to where possible uh", "start": 8897.88, "end": 8905.68}, {"text": "work with create and creme and identify underused but appropriate City space", "start": 8905.68, "end": 8911.16}, {"text": "that we can uh bring cultural organizations into and there's been a number of examples of that recently and", "start": 8911.16, "end": 8917.24}, {"text": "finally uh further to your your early question about um section 37 we work", "start": 8917.24, "end": 8922.319}, {"text": "very closely with counselor's offices where they have available on appropriate section 37 uh to create new or enhance", "start": 8922.319, "end": 8929.12}, {"text": "existing cultural am uh another question I was surprised to", "start": 8929.12, "end": 8934.24}, {"text": "hear about the elimination of the mayor council travel and constituent event funding that I didn't know existed uh", "start": 8934.24, "end": 8942.2}, {"text": "what is that and you know the words constituent event funding sound really", "start": 8942.2, "end": 8947.92}, {"text": "interesting because we want to empower our constituents so what are we losing here through the chair to you counselor", "start": 8947.92, "end": 8955.6}, {"text": "uh Chang in fact that is a change that had been made in a previous budget", "start": 8955.6, "end": 8961.08}, {"text": "um the constituency reference actually relates to events that the mayor's office historically had organized that", "start": 8961.08, "end": 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and I'm wondering does the mural program budget and uh that's allocated", "start": 9017.56, "end": 9023.439}, {"text": "here does that help us achieve that initiative that was passed at Council", "start": 9023.439, "end": 9030.24}, {"text": "through the charity Council Chen um in fact the street art Toronto program uh is a program of transportation services", "start": 9030.24, "end": 9037.72}, {"text": "so it's independent of of edc's budget uh but they they've a high really high", "start": 9037.72, "end": 9043.04}, {"text": "functioning program with great Community connections so I can connect with Barbara gray and and follow up for you", "start": 9043.04, "end": 9049.279}, {"text": "on that so what is the budget allocation here in terms of the mural program um", "start": 9049.279, "end": 9055.84}, {"text": "through the Cher to you coun we don't have a mural program sorry you don't oh excuse me there's a small", "start": 9055.84, "end": 9063.52}, {"text": "amount with the Bia and that amount ah I see I", "start": 9063.52, "end": 9068.92}, {"text": "see right um so I'm wondering about the annual inflationary increase to cultural", "start": 9068.92, "end": 9076.24}, {"text": "grants and the special event stabilization initiative are these automatically granted to organizations", "start": 9076.24, "end": 9083.64}, {"text": "like with grandfathered events uh or is there some funding in this these", "start": 9083.64, "end": 9089.12}, {"text": "envelopes that can be allocated to emerging organizers uh especially for those who", "start": 9089.12, "end": 9095.76}, {"text": "are outside the downtown Corp where there are less events to chair to you counselor Chang uh I'll take that in two", "start": 9095.76, "end": 9101.96}, {"text": "parts the inflationary increase uh is going to be applied to the operating", "start": 9101.96, "end": 9107.12}, {"text": "grants for cultural organizations who are existing recipients and that will bring us into alignment with the", "start": 9107.12, "end": 9113.92}, {"text": "community grants provided by sdfa and the inflationary rate is pegged at 2.5%", "start": 9113.92, "end": 9119.279}, {"text": "for this budget it will not apply to project grants as one-offs um the cessi or special event stabilization", "start": 9119.279, "end": 9125.88}, {"text": "Initiative Program uh is really targeted at new events it has broader eligibility", "start": 9125.88, "end": 9131.76}, {"text": "than either the Toronto Arts council's Festival funding or the cultural Festival funding program in that it can", "start": 9131.76, "end": 9138.08}, {"text": "support culinary events or street races Etc uh and it therefore has a high take", "start": 9138.08, "end": 9144.76}, {"text": "up of firsttime applicants right I have one more question uh on page three it", "start": 9144.76, "end": 9150.76}, {"text": "just says that you're predicting a decrease in Revenue down to down 3", "start": 9150.76, "end": 9157.08}, {"text": "million in 2027 I'm just wondering um what is that coming from through the CH", "start": 9157.08, "end": 9164.439}, {"text": "you canel Chang um there are three factors in there large factors the first is we are backing out uh earlier I", "start": 9164.439, "end": 9171.72}, {"text": "referenced some federal grants so we are backing out some federal grants in the business development area that Sunset", "start": 9171.72, "end": 9177.279}, {"text": "number two uh our budget last year would have shown section 37 investment so we back out a number of those uh and third", "start": 9177.279, "end": 9184.6}, {"text": "it's actually a very competitive uh sponsorship landscape right now so we are readjusting our sponsorship Revenue", "start": 9184.6, "end": 9190.359}, {"text": "Target based on uh what we are seeing uh in terms of the market great thank you", "start": 9190.359, "end": 9195.399}, {"text": "those are my questions um other questions of Economic", "start": 9195.399, "end": 9200.6}, {"text": "Development and culture uh don't oh yeah I already asked offline so uh that that's over I just", "start": 9200.6, "end": 9208.04}, {"text": "have a a couple of questions what we do have in here for local art service organization was that and I refresh my", "start": 9208.04, "end": 9215.12}, {"text": "memory is that the full promise that we launched in the culture plan or are we having to start small um to you chair uh", "start": 9215.12, "end": 9224.16}, {"text": "no there's 379 here in 25 which is 20% of a ended", "start": 9224.16, "end": 9230.16}, {"text": "doubling so the doubling of the $1.9 million uh lasso budget takes place over", "start": 9230.16, "end": 9236.6}, {"text": "5 years Flatline 20% a year 20% equals 379 in this budget okay so it will", "start": 9236.6, "end": 9243.479}, {"text": "follow the same um the same uh timing then as the Arts Council increase of the", "start": 9243.479, "end": 9249}, {"text": "grants exactly okay and just just to uh because people will notice that that the", "start": 9249, "end": 9255.359}, {"text": "the uh cesi fund is still there in in regards to that that when we we talk", "start": 9255.359, "end": 9261}, {"text": "about firsttime groups it's important to note that the decision the decision of", "start": 9261, "end": 9267.479}, {"text": "of how we allocate those funds is based on a staff review of whether or not you have a could be a first-time group but", "start": 9267.479, "end": 9274.08}, {"text": "it still has to have indicators of viability that that they're going to be able to to put on the event they're", "start": 9274.08, "end": 9281.359}, {"text": "they're they're approaching you to put on um you you look at whether or not they've got the organizing capability to", "start": 9281.359, "end": 9289}, {"text": "do what they're doing and then the decision is made by by the public service as to whether or not they can", "start": 9289, "end": 9295.76}, {"text": "they can access the fund yeah to you chair um the public service 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have uh left uh uh senior service and long-term", "start": 9342.479, "end": 9350.72}, {"text": "care and uh we can definitely do that before lunch I would think are there questions here if we can do that before", "start": 9350.72, "end": 9357.6}, {"text": "lunch yes welcome uh senior services and long-term care uh let's temperature", "start": 9357.6, "end": 9364.12}, {"text": "check after that because the that that leaves uh um sfna and Toronto shelter uh", "start": 9364.12, "end": 9371.479}, {"text": "there are questions on both of those I'm sure yes", "start": 9371.479, "end": 9376.8}, {"text": "um nod your heads I'm taking your temperatures right now so if we do", "start": 9376.8, "end": 9381.96}, {"text": "long-term care I want to make a suggestion we have SDF Anda there are always lots of questions there we have", "start": 9381.96, "end": 9387.92}, {"text": "shelter there are always lots of questions there nestled in between them is tests are there questions on Toronto", "start": 9387.92, "end": 9394.439}, {"text": "employment and Social Services then let's see if we can do both of those and then just come back", "start": 9394.439, "end": 9399.6}, {"text": "for the two biggies after lunch welcome thank you for waiting okay questions on", "start": 9399.6, "end": 9405.359}, {"text": "long-term care uh uh Deputy Mayor Morley thank you through the chair hello good", "start": 9405.359, "end": 9411.04}, {"text": "afternoon um just a couple of quick ones for you um from the 2024 um positions", "start": 9411.04, "end": 9417.6}, {"text": "that were funded how many of them were filled it's a great uh through the chair", "start": 9417.6, "end": 9423.24}, {"text": "great question I actually just validated that before I came to sit here we filled 464 positions in 2024 464 filled and how", "start": 9423.24, "end": 9432.359}, {"text": "many um vacant positions do we currently have we currently have approximately 512", "start": 9432.359, "end": 9438.8}, {"text": "vacant positions okay at this time and is there investment in the budget before us to", "start": 9438.8, "end": 9444.12}, {"text": "address and and get those um staff into roles we have uh Investments that are", "start": 9444.12, "end": 9450.52}, {"text": "provided to us through the province so um we do have that funding available for us to um fill those vacancies as", "start": 9450.52, "end": 9459.319}, {"text": "identified and a part of that is the 4-Hour Direct Care model great that's the funding that's been provided for", "start": 9459.319, "end": 9465.52}, {"text": "that great and what's our average time to get positions filled our average time to get positions filled", "start": 9465.52, "end": 9471.96}, {"text": "has actually uh significantly reduced great so we had added a recruitment strategy in 2024 which included having", "start": 9471.96, "end": 9479.72}, {"text": "dedicated staff in our recruit um recruiting for us and I'm happy to", "start": 9479.72, "end": 9485.2}, {"text": "report that in Q4 we've seen the significant reduction in the time it takes so we have approximately 50%", "start": 9485.2, "end": 9492.56}, {"text": "reduction in the cycle of time that it takes to bring folks in so as an example", "start": 9492.56, "end": 9498.439}, {"text": "December we hired 60 new hires in November we had 75 new hires fantastic so we've made um significant process in", "start": 9498.439, "end": 9505.92}, {"text": "the cycle of time it takes uh having that dedicated team helping us fantastic", "start": 9505.92, "end": 9511.359}, {"text": "so um can you confirm are we tracking to get all of the vacancies um in 25 filled", "start": 9511.359, "end": 9518.359}, {"text": "within the year that's a challenging question to say yes or no to um we have implemented", "start": 9518.359, "end": 9525.08}, {"text": "a number of recruiting strategies to expediate that that process great", "start": 9525.08, "end": 9531.439}, {"text": "however compounded with that of course is um finding the resources within the health sector there are significant", "start": 9531.439, "end": 9538.92}, {"text": "challenges for us in doing that whether it's nursing PSW even Food Service", "start": 9538.92, "end": 9544.2}, {"text": "workers or laundry support workers even facility folks um we are competing", "start": 9544.2, "end": 9549.52}, {"text": "against a health sector that everyone's competing for the same resources so um", "start": 9549.52, "end": 9554.76}, {"text": "I'd love to say the answer is we're on track I'll say we are diligently working towards filling the vacancies we have", "start": 9554.76, "end": 9561.6}, {"text": "and we have tried different techniques in terms of Attraction uh information", "start": 9561.6, "end": 9567.04}, {"text": "sharing and getting the vacancy process reduced so it's quicker faster smarter", "start": 9567.04, "end": 9572.399}, {"text": "great working with our partners on that yeah and I was going to just dig in and to pull that thread a 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guidance input were at the table ready to help and they've been great fantastic", "start": 9616.6, "end": 9624.56}, {"text": "um I know there are a lot of opportunities there's a big demand around youth opportunities and jobs for", "start": 9624.56, "end": 9629.68}, {"text": "you so continuing to make sure that they're getting streamed into the areas where we need the most and getting the", "start": 9629.68, "end": 9634.72}, {"text": "supports to get trained up also as a proud Humber alumni I'm glad to hear Humber at the table wonderful fantastic", "start": 9634.72, "end": 9641.52}, {"text": "thank you those are my questions Madam chair coun Chang", "start": 9641.52, "end": 9648}, {"text": "thank you through the chair that's okay to speak up a bit here just wondering what uh percentage of the budget or what", "start": 9650.16, "end": 9657.84}, {"text": "amount is allocated to Helping Seniors age and place because I see that as one of the mandates that you have we do have", "start": 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{"text": "we touch base we try to see what else is the art of the possible we look at sites in terms of the criteria that we need in", "start": 9843.359, "end": 9850.2}, {"text": "order to meet the standards from the ministry Etc so there are uh one or two other sites in the hopper for this year", "start": 9850.2, "end": 9858}, {"text": "and I am hoping and uh we'll intend to bring another business case for the 26", "start": 9858, "end": 9863.52}, {"text": "budget for another project to be uh allocated above the line assuming approval right right so just in case", "start": 9863.52, "end": 9872.24}, {"text": "this conversation bubbles up again it did at the last minute in the budget last year um so we're actively looking", "start": 9872.24, "end": 9878.64}, {"text": "to rebuild these and and we're having that conversation with the province The Province wants us to update them as well", "start": 9878.64, "end": 9884.88}, {"text": "right correct so I meet with a uh just on that note chair I meet with uh the", "start": 9884.88, "end": 9890}, {"text": "ministry on a monthly basis as well um we want to bring them along the ride with us we want to make sure they're are", "start": 9890, "end": 9896.96}, {"text": "Partners at the table um and so we actively engage with them on a monthly basis and as an example uh part of the", "start": 9896.96, "end": 9903.96}, {"text": "partnership they've already given us sort of a verbal agreement on the 4610", "start": 9903.96, "end": 9909.439}, {"text": "Finch design because we brought them in early in the process so that partnership is critical for us um in addition to the", "start": 9909.439, "end": 9917.04}, {"text": "crate to and our creme internal part Partners as well right and and I asked", "start": 9917.04, "end": 9922.439}, {"text": "because uh came up someone started the question because we are struggling with our finan and someone say why are we in", "start": 9922.439, "end": 9928.88}, {"text": "the long-term care business but um each municipality is still required to have a", "start": 9928.88, "end": 9935.04}, {"text": "long-term care that is publicly run correct am I right about that correct and at amalgamation we had more than one", "start": 9935.04, "end": 9942.72}, {"text": "uh and and it was in agreement with the province that we continue to run them", "start": 9942.72, "end": 9948.04}, {"text": "and it is an agreement ment with the province that we update them am I right about that still through the chair yes", "start": 9948.04, "end": 9953.479}, {"text": "that is correct uh the province has provided us a directive to upgrade the homes based on the building standards", "start": 9953.479, "end": 9960.68}, {"text": "that the province released and we are meeting that in addition we also need to meet the provincial fixing Long-Term", "start": 9960.68, "end": 9967.04}, {"text": "Care Act Provisions which require a number of upgrades to the homes to meet", "start": 9967.04, "end": 9973.16}, {"text": "IAC measures Etc yeah yeah so the prioritization of capital is really", "start": 9973.16, "end": 9978.359}, {"text": "based on how far is each facility away from the current requirements correct and I would", "start": 9978.359, "end": 9984.64}, {"text": "like to say that we are actively investing in all our homes uh through our state of good repair projects we", "start": 9984.64, "end": 9990.6}, {"text": "have 30 to 40 active projects every year you'll see that in the budget and uh we continue to maintain and comply with the", "start": 9990.6, "end": 9998.399}, {"text": "provincial fixing Long-Term Care Act we are in compliance we just continue to refine and upgrade the equipment Etc", "start": 9998.399, "end": 10005.279}, {"text": "right okay thank you those are my questions are those all the questions for senior services and long-term care", "start": 10005.279, "end": 10011.8}, {"text": "they are thank you very much I can sorry chair I do have an answer to the question earlier", "start": 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Linn and councelor chanti are there any questions of Toronto employment and", "start": 10115.8, "end": 10120.88}, {"text": "Social Services thanks Rachel uh uh councelor croissan okay uh seeing then I'll bring", "start": 10120.88, "end": 10128.16}, {"text": "it into Comm uh questions on Tess no uh Deputy Mayor Morley oh do you have questions just a", "start": 10128.16, "end": 10134.84}, {"text": "quick one um hello thank you for joining us good afternoon um just wanting to ask", "start": 10134.84, "end": 10140.24}, {"text": "with respect to the recent changes over last year from The Province on how I believe it's ow is administered um there", "start": 10140.24, "end": 10147.6}, {"text": "was a lot of discussion around that how is that impacting the budget before us good", "start": 10147.6, "end": 10155.319}, {"text": "morning good morning to the chair so there are two changes uh that'll be happening in 2025 in particular one is", "start": 10156.08, "end": 10163.359}, {"text": "the employment services transformation uh that will include uh the upload of Employment Services um from uh the city", "start": 10163.359, "end": 10171.72}, {"text": "to the province uh from a budgetary perspective this will include uh the removal of funding for client benefits", "start": 10171.72, "end": 10179.359}, {"text": "related to uh employment supports uh as well as Services provided by our staff", "start": 10179.359, "end": 10184.8}, {"text": "directly to uh Ontario Works clients uh as it relates to employment uh Services", "start": 10184.8, "end": 10190.439}, {"text": "uh in 2025 the total upload uh of funding is uh", "start": 10190.439, "end": 10195.68}, {"text": "28.6 million okay and what does that um mean for the staff typically are they", "start": 10195.68, "end": 10202.12}, {"text": "being reassigned within the division or uh what is the impact on the Staffing to the chair so from both a budgetary and a", "start": 10202.12, "end": 10209.72}, {"text": "uh Staffing uh perspective it's a net zero impact on the city uh this is predominantly due to the fact that the", "start": 10209.72, "end": 10215.92}, {"text": "case workers that were responsible for employment services will continue uh to", "start": 10215.92, "end": 10221.6}, {"text": "uh to need to support clients to uh enable Pathways towards employment The entor Works program remains an", "start": 10221.6, "end": 10228}, {"text": "employment focused program uh and with the complexity uh of the challenges in the labor market uh and uh in the the", "start": 10228, "end": 10235.72}, {"text": "affordability crisis and housing crisis um our workers uh more than ever uh need", "start": 10235.72, "end": 10240.8}, {"text": "to work harder uh to uh work with our Community Partners and the new employment services uh provider uh to", "start": 10240.8, "end": 10247.08}, {"text": "develop those strong pathways for folks uh to stabilize their lives and then move into employment within the new", "start": 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part of this system is the province", "start": 10523.16, "end": 10528.68}, {"text": "taking on now what is the change that's going to happen to the chair the the", "start": 10528.68, "end": 10534.12}, {"text": "significant change if you're uh referring to the centralized intake model uh is really uh in the Final Phase", "start": 10534.12, "end": 10540.96}, {"text": "it will be the uploading of the majority of application types is how we call them", "start": 10540.96, "end": 10546.359}, {"text": "uh and So within that that is inclusive of uh cases that require interpreter Services which as in the last question", "start": 10546.359, "end": 10553.479}, {"text": "that we've just discussed you can imagine makes up a high proportion of Toronto's case load so that's where we're really anticipating relief uh in", "start": 10553.479, "end": 10560.92}, {"text": "in respect of uh the administrative functions that we perform at the local level versus what the provincial uh", "start": 10560.92, "end": 10567.8}, {"text": "administrators will then take on with the full upload later in 2025 sorry just one more question and will that present", "start": 10567.8, "end": 10574.8}, {"text": "challenges to people from a systems navigation perspective we've had a very clear pathway that's", "start": 10574.8, "end": 10581.479}, {"text": "well mapped out will there then be a gap when people are trying to figure out this new system to the chair we work", "start": 10581.479, "end": 10589.2}, {"text": "very closely with the province we've actually been working with the province since the initiative began uh we are the", "start": 10589.2, "end": 10594.88}, {"text": "last with the north to be fully uploaded in this uh in this initiative uh and so", "start": 10594.88, "end": 10599.96}, {"text": "we've been working for several years to ensure that the unique um uh volume and", "start": 10599.96, "end": 10605.04}, {"text": "complexity of the applicants in Toronto are account accounted for in 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10705.84}, {"text": "have a couple of questions but if you could uh uh um move a motion to extend", "start": 10705.84, "end": 10711.319}, {"text": "to complete uh ton employment Social Services I move that we extend to complete Toronto employment and Social", "start": 10711.319, "end": 10716.88}, {"text": "Services hopefully I won't be that long all in favor pose that's", "start": 10716.88, "end": 10722.84}, {"text": "carried uh yes let's let's make sure the bow is a nice big bright one this is", "start": 10722.84, "end": 10728.12}, {"text": "this is a really complex briefing Note to read because you have you have incoming uh uh case load growth you're", "start": 10728.12, "end": 10735.52}, {"text": "in the middle of a transition to a to a change in in service model uh and and", "start": 10735.52, "end": 10742.72}, {"text": "we're trying to figure out we we don't find the the employment services and ow", "start": 10742.72, "end": 10748.76}, {"text": "model to be ideal but we we have to 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the P", "start": 16714.119, "end": 16722.639}, {"text": "the raw data is that accurate they would have a much better line of sight on these issues than than we would here in", "start": 16722.639, "end": 16729.24}, {"text": "T and uh finally around this um the federal government's program um I", "start": 16729.24, "end": 16737}, {"text": "understand will reduce the numbers of people that are qualified for support by", "start": 16737, "end": 16745.039}, {"text": "distinguishing um Refugee claims that are made at point of entry versus Inland", "start": 16745.039, "end": 16750.48}, {"text": "claims however the city remains uh the site where people are left unsheltered", "start": 16750.48, "end": 16757.48}, {"text": "if there isn't a place for them to be is that is that correct uh to the chair yes had some talk around definitions here", "start": 16757.48, "end": 16764.439}, {"text": "you know we uh we try to support people as soon as they arrive uh not based on", "start": 16764.439, "end": 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and it's incredible to see uh", "start": 16900.798, "end": 16909.56}, {"text": "my first question though is that in 2024 you didn't spend your entire budget uh", "start": 16909.56, "end": 16915.44}, {"text": "and you're asked for 2025 is the same and usually we would we would you", "start": 16915.44, "end": 16921.52}, {"text": "know celebrate that but with the homel with the housing uh crisis the homeless", "start": 16921.52, "end": 16927.76}, {"text": "crisis that we are facing um can you tell us why that", "start": 16927.76, "end": 16934.48}, {"text": "happened uh to the chair um you know part of this is a good news story and driving down the costs that we were", "start": 16934.48, "end": 16941.798}, {"text": "paying for very high cost shelter hotels thanks to work by corporate real estate uh working with us to negotiate lower", "start": 16941.798, "end": 16948.718}, {"text": "costs on on those Hotel programs and leases um we've taken those savings", "start": 16948.718, "end": 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{"text": "to your staff um and again I mentioned that I see how hard they work and you", "start": 16996.32, "end": 17002.958}, {"text": "know how engaging they are with with the with the most marginalized people in our community but I'm concerned about the", "start": 17002.958, "end": 17009.76}, {"text": "health and well-being of your staff is it really it's really tough work does this budget include enhanced support for", "start": 17009.76, "end": 17016.52}, {"text": "your staff such as counseling or other support to help them decompress from the trauma they experienc on a daily", "start": 17016.52, "end": 17025.08}, {"text": "basis to the chair thanks so much for that question um and you know uh the wellness of our staff is is is the", "start": 17025.92, "end": 17033.24}, {"text": "highest priority of of the division and of the city um staff do very hard work", "start": 17033.24, "end": 17038.44}, {"text": "and it's it's getting more challenging one of the new and enhanced business 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{"text": "encampments through a human rights-based approach in Allen Gardens in Clarence square and Belleview Square and and", "start": 17184.56, "end": 17190.718}, {"text": "we'll do more of that work in 2025 thank you and um one more okay one", "start": 17190.718, "end": 17197.12}, {"text": "more so last year Council directed that you priorize the development of immediate rapid shelter program models", "start": 17197.12, "end": 17204.52}, {"text": "including exploring the use of micro shelters and locating them on vacant to underutilize city-owned land what is the", "start": 17204.52, "end": 17212.52}, {"text": "status of locating sites and when can we expect to have these micro shelters", "start": 17212.52, "end": 17218.16}, {"text": "online uh to the chair so uh you know we're working closely with both Creo and", "start": 17218.16, "end": 17223.2}, {"text": "creme at all of the city-owned sites that we have as part of um our homeless", "start": 17223.2, "end": 17228.68}, {"text": "Services Capital infrastructure strategy to determine if there are sites appropriate for the massing of a", "start": 17228.68, "end": 17234}, {"text": "temporary micr shelter program uh I don't have a date or timeline on that for you yet um but certainly that is an", "start": 17234, "end": 17242.32}, {"text": "area of focus if we can do that and it doesn't hold us back from the very important work that we're doing on", "start": 17242.32, "end": 17248.48}, {"text": "building supportive affordable housing and new shelters then that certainly is something that we'll continue to to look", "start": 17248.48, "end": 17254.638}, {"text": "at and prioritize okay thank you okay uh questions Deputy Mayor", "start": 17254.638, "end": 17261.798}, {"text": "Morley councelor Chang councelor Chang thank", "start": 17261.798, "end": 17268.84}, {"text": "you thank you um through the chair so just I want to go back to the", "start": 17268.84, "end": 17275.68}, {"text": "SK uh potential scaleb of 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so the data they're collecting so we can build capacity and", "start": 17323.12, "end": 17329.04}, {"text": "make estimates we're not getting that data to the chair that's correct and the Welcome Center we've", "start": 17329.04, "end": 17337.558}, {"text": "talked about that and is there a date uh where they are planning to bring that", "start": 17337.558, "end": 17343.718}, {"text": "online or is it still not clear uh so to the chair", "start": 17343.718, "end": 17350.12}, {"text": "there's a location and Peele is uh making that location available currently as a shelter serving", "start": 17350.12, "end": 17356.958}, {"text": "Refugee claimants um it hasn't transitioned into that Reception Center", "start": 17356.958, "end": 17362.04}, {"text": "Welcome Center model at this point and it don't have a date uh in terms of when that would happen what is the average", "start": 17362.04, "end": 17369.08}, {"text": "cost per person in our Emergency Shelters versus the purpose built", 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"uh you know they had 25,000 engagements throughout the city for example they", "start": 17581.4, "end": 17586.638}, {"text": "moved 326 individuals directly from the street in Parks into permanent housing", "start": 17586.638, "end": 17592.08}, {"text": "with supports and they referred more than 1,600 people into the shelter", "start": 17592.08, "end": 17597.84}, {"text": "system um I'm not suggesting these are all Unique Individuals uh the team goes", "start": 17597.84, "end": 17603}, {"text": "out sometimes they engage maybe multiple times with people uh but they've got a comprehensive team in every Community", "start": 17603, "end": 17610.12}, {"text": "every ward of the city offering 247 support so if we did the math um would it potentially be much", "start": 17610.12, "end": 17618.12}, {"text": "higher than the shelter hotels per day per person even though you it's hard for", "start": 17618.12, "end": 17624.28}, {"text": "you to have a concrete number of how many active 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"first and second round Deputy Mayor Morley uh thank you madam chair uh just", "start": 17672.12, "end": 17679.16}, {"text": "a couple of quick ones for me and thank you of course as always for the great work um we know that we are we've", "start": 17679.16, "end": 17685.04}, {"text": "announced and are standing up additional shelters in our communities uh in this coming year can you highlight for us", "start": 17685.04, "end": 17690.12}, {"text": "what the um dedicated costs are for those five new shelters in the budget before us I know those multi-year um", "start": 17690.12, "end": 17698.04}, {"text": "program but just what we're looking at spending in this", "start": 17698.04, "end": 17702}, {"text": "year uh so to the chair um this year we expect $180 million uh to be spent on on", "start": 17705.36, "end": 17714.32}, {"text": "the design and and starting construction and and acquisition of the homeless Capital Services infrastructure strategy", "start": 17714.32, "end": 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17801.84, "end": 17809.558}, {"text": "locations that we built under the the the capital plan could be transferred or", "start": 17809.558, "end": 17815.76}, {"text": "or renovated to become permanent Supportive Housing so we have that flexibility in the future in terms of", "start": 17815.76, "end": 17821.798}, {"text": "knowing what the demand for homeless Services looks like we are currently", "start": 17821.798, "end": 17828.32}, {"text": "um uh not seeing the kinds of changes that will fundamentally move uh move", "start": 17828.32, "end": 17835.558}, {"text": "this issue and and certainly Recent research done by uh Amo here in Ontario", "start": 17835.558, "end": 17841.558}, {"text": "estimates that the situation may get worse in communities right across the province unless there's significant more", "start": 17841.558, "end": 17847.6}, {"text": "investment so um we're always hopeful we're building a comprehensive plan for 25 that that will allow us to connect", "start": 17847.6, 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{"text": "Market housing with a financial benefit to allow them to do so that's helpful", "start": 17937.6, "end": 17943.6}, {"text": "thank you so much I'll leave it there thanks Madam chair okay", "start": 17943.6, "end": 17948.958}, {"text": "okay let me let me just finish this round councel perks did you have any questions I'm dying to hear what", "start": 17950.2, "end": 17955.76}, {"text": "councelor Bravo's going to ask okay let's go um uh no but uh by all", "start": 17955.76, "end": 17962.878}, {"text": "means go ahead and then then I'll ask counselor Jal llynn thank you um so on", "start": 17962.878, "end": 17968.92}, {"text": "the question of the the need for the specialized support for encampments can", "start": 17968.92, "end": 17974.08}, {"text": "you just comment on um the complexity of the situations that we're you know the", "start": 17974.08, "end": 17980.798}, {"text": "support that we're giving through the multi disciplinary Outreach teams um the", "start": 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for addiction and mental health um research study on shelter safety uh that", "start": 18072.76, "end": 18079.798}, {"text": "there's a small group of people who need a lot lot more support and so we've got some funding here to uh look at working", "start": 18079.798, "end": 18086.16}, {"text": "with Health Partners on the development of a model to support them and um in", "start": 18086.16, "end": 18091.638}, {"text": "relation to to uh the the question around and around the cost per person", "start": 18091.638, "end": 18097.36}, {"text": "and how there's a but of um a third savings if we had a Supportive Housing", "start": 18097.36, "end": 18104.28}, {"text": "can you confirm that the the purpose built shelters and our 20 shelter build with the immediate um first six that", "start": 18104.28, "end": 18112.68}, {"text": "there're that they could be convertible to permanent housing and that the capital plan is rolling out to ensure", "start": 18112.68, "end": 18119}, {"text": "that uh 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forward to host such a um at a", "start": 18161, "end": 18168.12}, {"text": "small scale um to to to try this model out um is there a prospect for Toronto", "start": 18168.12, "end": 18175.2}, {"text": "shelter to kind of be supportive in that process so to the chair always willing", "start": 18175.2, "end": 18180.48}, {"text": "to connect work with faith-based communities other groups to find innovative solutions to these challenges", "start": 18180.48, "end": 18187.24}, {"text": "thank you okay uh councilor", "start": 18187.24, "end": 18193.04}, {"text": "Moyes um this may be so much one of my questions but this is more around the", "start": 18193.04, "end": 18198.24}, {"text": "capital budget um your capital budget capacity to spend average is about $7.8 million", "start": 18198.24, "end": 18206.16}, {"text": "per year but your 2025 budget is at 25.8", "start": 18206.16, "end": 18211.52}, {"text": "million how confident are you you'll be able to meet that Target and what factors 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18359.24}, {"text": "modular or whatever that's more affordable so it's a spectrum and the more we properly", "start": 18359.24, "end": 18366.36}, {"text": "support in a stable and permanent way we're actually we're actually going to do a better job of helping that person", "start": 18366.36, "end": 18372.44}, {"text": "get on their way we're going to save money to the chair yes okay that's", "start": 18372.44, "end": 18378.28}, {"text": "simple okay any other questions on this division okay thank you counselors thank", "start": 18378.28, "end": 18384.16}, {"text": "you so much I don't think they'll be any more questions when you get to the council", "start": 18384.16, "end": 18389.556}, {"text": "Session One Can Dream okay so uh counselors we're moving", "start": 18392.16, "end": 18400.2}, {"text": "on to uh um briefing note drafts that we have to", "start": 18400.2, "end": 18405.76}, {"text": "adopt um do we have all that are drafted now we have the ones that have been", "start": 18405.76, "end": 18410.878}, {"text": "placed these are the ones that need to be placed", "start": 18410.878, "end": 18415.28}, {"text": "today yes oh so we've already held a vote on them that's correct you're right", "start": 18416.558, "end": 18422.12}, {"text": "so there's just these ones today this includes the two that were added over lunch hour it seems so con prise now", "start": 18422.12, "end": 18431.16}, {"text": "okay I'm going I think I know why it's Dr No over there", "start": 18431.16, "end": 18436.4}, {"text": "the no okay uh they are Consolidated because", "start": 18436.4, "end": 18442.52}, {"text": "a number of them were looking at the same areas yes councel perks so do we not", "start": 18442.52, "end": 18447.638}, {"text": "have to move the new on we're yeah I'm about to do that and these now include the ones that confusing me", "start": 18447.638, "end": 18455.202}, {"text": "this these these include the ones that we discussed at lunch hour okay so let's", "start": 18456.76, "end": 18462.798}, {"text": "put these new ones up on the screen oh that's right counselor that's", "start": 18462.798, "end": 18470.24}, {"text": "why this list looks so short counselor Chang you there yours you're moving", "start": 18470.24, "end": 18475.4}, {"text": "under your name that's why this was making me nervous this is such a short list and it's because I couldn't see", "start": 18475.4, "end": 18481.36}, {"text": "yours would you like to move yours first", "start": 18481.36, "end": 18486.08}, {"text": "okay oh okay and there are a number here have we", "start": 18487.48, "end": 18494.36}, {"text": "I don't think we've circulated a draft them of them but circulated yeah okay", "start": 18494.36, "end": 18499.6}, {"text": "good good okay so if we do people need to scroll over them", "start": 18499.6, "end": 18506.878}, {"text": "quickly yes she she checked she checked yep yep everyone has all divisions have", "start": 18510.958, "end": 18516.52}, {"text": "reviewed these and they're good with them y yep there's no", "start": 18516.52, "end": 18523.442}, {"text": "okay this this one looks this one looks like it'll be a handful but Mr Dayton is", "start": 18530.08, "end": 18535.6}, {"text": "still in the room he's sitting right over there and he has reviewed this request and it is doable", "start": 18535.6, "end": 18544.4}, {"text": "okay if it wasn't he probably would have scurried out of the room just now", "start": 18545.4, "end": 18551.362}, {"text": "this is like the Star Wars credit it is you can go a little", "start": 18552.558, "end": 18560.716}, {"text": "faster yeah H the legend of Doris Avenue", "start": 18561.958, "end": 18569.08}, {"text": "yes how does", "start": 18569.08, "end": 18572.68}, {"text": "Jack well on that can I just ask as a question of the of the Mover requester", "start": 18575.12, "end": 18582.24}, {"text": "there what you mean is really how do we how do we administrate the debt program", "start": 18582.24, "end": 18587.84}, {"text": "here so how do we make decisions stay under the ceiling things like that yeah", "start": 18587.84, "end": 18593.878}, {"text": "okay question pardon uh yes question of the Mover", "start": 18593.878, "end": 18600.84}, {"text": "councelor Moy so you're looking for um the usage of Civic censures before and", "start": 18600.84, "end": 18607.16}, {"text": "after covid is that including cityall Hall as well because for us in the downtown court this is our Civic Center", "start": 18607.16, "end": 18613.16}, {"text": "yes this is one of them okay okay just clarifying security", "start": 18613.16, "end": 18619.36}, {"text": "Gat that's why you were able to have your town hall here because it's not only a city hall it's a Civic Center fun", "start": 18619.36, "end": 18627.12}, {"text": "fact though we cannot do that at North York Civic Center that's why we're asking for this briefing note okay and", "start": 18627.12, "end": 18634.48}, {"text": "uh it's a very nice Town 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{"text": "capture the intent of it the way I see it right because you're saying to that", "start": 18687, "end": 18693.16}, {"text": "you know around uh not having fees for using uh some community centers", "start": 18693.16, "end": 18699.878}, {"text": "but how does the libraries fall into that how does what sorry libraries", "start": 18699.878, "end": 18706.12}, {"text": "libraries they're not Civic centers but Community she's said community centers I'm moving", "start": 18706.12, "end": 18711.44}, {"text": "way not Library there there there is what I think we'll probably find out in", "start": 18711.44, "end": 18716.48}, {"text": "the briefing note is there is policy around who gets charged and who doesn't", "start": 18716.48, "end": 18721.76}, {"text": "and if we were going to change it uh you can't change it in a briefing note Council would have some work to do so", "start": 18721.76, "end": 18728.12}, {"text": "I'm sure the briefing note will outline who can use it for free and who can't okay currently there are some who", "start": 18728.12, "end": 18735.958}, {"text": "cannot yeah a film company for instance can't say can we use this for the night and you don't want any money do you yeah", "start": 18735.958, "end": 18742.36}, {"text": "there's a policy in a scale yeah okay um and did did we did we we", "start": 18742.36, "end": 18750.12}, {"text": "scrolled all the way through everyone's seen them all now okay okay uh all in favor of those", "start": 18750.12, "end": 18757.558}, {"text": "briefing notes going forward that you just so I'm moved by counselor chain well I'm going to move them", "start": 18757.558, "end": 18764.4}, {"text": "separately well you don't have to but that's what councelor perks wants so let's let's put we'll scroll through the", "start": 18768, "end": 18775.16}, {"text": "other ones as well then these These Are A Range being moved by me these are a range of briefing notes that have been", "start": 18775.16, "end": 18780.638}, 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