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live I believe so we're going to get
started uh I want to start by welcoming
every one here we have a number of folks
joining us in the gallery we have our
senior staff of course and our media
folks and so it's really great to see
everybody uh here with us today uh we
have almost all of our council members
around the table uh councelor Jackson
councelor mcmein councelor Wang
councelor Nan councelor spora councelor
Wilson councelor Francis councelor
tatterson counselor Bey counselor Paul's
councelor casar councelor cret councelor
Clark and councelor Wilson and at this
point I don't believe we have any uh
folks joining us yet uh online other
than uh support staff uh and others so
thanks everyone for being here uh clerk
trenum could you please confirm that
Quorum is present uh Quorum is present
Madame mayor uh that's really great so
as we have Quorum present I'd like to
call the meeting of council city council
to order uh please if you all are able
uh to uh stand for the naal national
anthem now would be the time to do so
thank you
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all
can our home and native
land true P
love in
all with glowing Hearts see the rise the
true Lord strong and free
from
wide we stand on God for
the God keep
land
glor and
free oh can now we stand on God for
thee oh
we stand
on
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for thanks everyone please be seated the
city of Hamilton is situated upon the
traditional territories of the Erie
neutral hon wend hodon and Miss sagas
this this land is covered by the dish
with one spoon W pomel Covenant which
was an agreement between the honi and
Anish to share and care for the
resources around the Great Lakes We
further acknowledge that this land is
covered by the Between the Lakes
purchase 1792 between the crown and the
missas of the Credit First Nation today
the city of Hamilton is home to many
indigenous people from across Turtle
Island North America and we recognize
that we must do more to learn about the
rich history of this land so that we can
better understand our roles as residents
neighbors partners and caretakers uh
members are reminded that all electronic
devices are to be switched to a
non-audible function uh during our
Council meetings uh so we'll get right
to it with the approval of the agenda
clerk Tren trenum are there any changes
to the
agenda uh yes may Horvath there is one
added Communications item number 5.15
correspondence from Cassandra Myers
owner of the uh hegler flea market there
are two added notices of motion uh item
8.1 8.2 amendment to item three of the
Public Works committee report and
temporary stop controls on Barton Street
and I believe there was was one
more Janet we received one more in
writing this morning as
well yes yep and one additional one so
we'll have an
8.3 um there's also one added private
confidential matter appointment to
Committee of adjustment and one added
Bill to amend bylaw number 2436 that's
item
one okay thanks very
much may I have a motion then to approve
the agenda as amended
move by councelor Paul seconded by
councelor cret uh can we have the vote
up
please unless there are any speakers to
this seeing
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none and that carries 15 to Z thanks
very much uh Declarations of Interest
members of council are there any
Declarations of
Interest any
declarations okay seeing none then we'll
go on to uh approval of the minutes
because there are no ceremonial
activities so approval of the minutes of
previous meeting August 16
2024 I have a motion to approve the
minutes of the August 16 2024 meeting as
presented moved by councelor spora
seconded by councelor MC me any
discussion on those minutes
folks seeing none we'll go to the vote
then and that carries 15 to Zero thanks
very much Ron to Communications
councelor Pauls may I have a motion on
the communications items please
oh yes uh it's uh moved by myself and
second by counselor Bey that uh we go
into
communication right okay so the
communications are on the
floor um as per Mike Loo's request I'll
read their letter item 5.7 on today's
Council agenda which marks the 82nd
anniversary of the tragic the up raade
of August 19th
1942 on August 19th 2024 we marked the
82nd anniversary of the tragic raid on
deep France a sad and somber day in the
Canadian his in Canadian history and for
the city of Hamilton a raid That was
supposed to test the German defenses for
a Seaborn landing and to give the
Canadian troops in Britain a crack at
the Nazis The Raid was poorly planned
lacked heavy Naval bombardment and lost
the element of surprise the results were
catastrophic close to a th000 Canadians
killed the Royal Hamilton light infantry
took Grievous losses 200 killed and 300
taken prisoners Hamilton was a city in
mourning a controversial raid and an and
operation to this date they say Lessons
Learned at dap saved many lives on D-Day
so today we should pause and think of
those men many from Hamilton who stormed
the Deep beaches that morning knowing
that they may not survive the day lest
we forget Mike loo Stony Creek thank you
Mike for uh providing this important
reminder for all of us to to take pause
and reflect on what happened all those
years
ago uh I would ask if there are any
other uh comments our speakers uh on the
uh corespondence issues uh we have uh
councelor Wang please on 5.8 thank you
um mayor I just wanted to draw council's
attention to 5.8 5.8 is a correspondence
from the Whitewater region renre County
um and they ask about they ask the
minister to look at a mental health
facility and I bring this up is because
again and it's to no one's surprise
mental health is an absolute endemic
pandemic and it is something that not
only are we um struggling with this
challenge but even smaller communities
like Whitewater region is also suffering
from this so I just wanted to just draw
council's attention to that that this is
not just a Hamilton specific issue this
is an Ontario Canada International
challenge thank you mayor uh thank you
councelor Wang I don't see any further
uh speakers I think uh councelor Paul's
is 58 as well I had uh I was interested
I was uh wonder if it not only to
receive it we should adopt it and
endorse it because I was wondering city
of family should be making a similar
request to the province uh I I know that
uh a personal friend of mine has a
daughter she can't get in uh six months
a year for uh uh these places where they
could get help and I I'm involved quite
a bit with Wayside as well there I think
we just have one place here in Hamilton
people have to wait a long time and uh
there's not enough place and they have
to travel to get help so I think we
should not only receive it we should
endorse it and maybe do a similar
request for the province uh to get these
treatments of
places uh okay so we now then have a a
motion to uh or a request to change the
direction of this correspondence to a a
opposed to receive to an endorsement the
letter doesn't really ask for an
endorsement but I do understand where
the council is coming from and uh I just
want to have a look around the table if
folks are okay with changing that
recommendation to an Endor as opposed to
uh a receipt that's okay with folks I
don't think we need a formal motion
clerk trenum on that all right then
we'll uh we'll endorse that request uh
rrw County as you know is made up of
many smaller communities and so again it
highlights I think what counselor Wang
uh was uh was bringing to the uh the
table in terms of the discussion so
thanks very much uh counselor tedison
please hi just on 5.11 okay um it's from
the Min a letter from the ministry of
children community services community
and Social Services Minister parsa um
basically what this uh correspondent
says is they've adopted new digital
tools and automated data verification
that makes it easier for clients to um
have an online application for ow and
the Ontario Disability Support Program
program it allows people to confirm
their identity sign their application
and check their status online Pro new
process saves 74 minutes per um visit
and also it um saves $14 million uh in
administration fees so I just wanted to
highlight that thank
you uh thanks councelor tedison
counselor uh Francis
please thanks mayor horbath
so the other day I received a call from
uh one of my residents who is the owner
of uh hagler's flea market and and uh
councelor Wang's Ward and Ward 4 um
Barton Street there um you know it's
it's in here I'm not going to uh relive
that people can can read the horrifying
situation um this resident wanted this
on the agenda and highlighted for
council's
attention it was an absolutely
terrifying situation and my my heart
goes out to the victims that uh suffer
through this and my sympathies go out to
them and just want people to know I'm
fully committed to uh the growing and
serious crimes in our city and this
violence cannot continue thank
you uh thanks councelor Francis I I
think hamiltonians would agree there's
some challenging times that we're facing
um okay then I don't see any further
speakers on the
correspondents uh so we will go back to
the um motion that's on the table for
the correspondence and that was moved by
councelor Paul in second councelor Bey
could we please have that vote up
yep we have councel Dano joined us as
well good morning councelor
Dano that carries uh 16 to Zero thanks
very much we're now going to move into
committee the whole uh councel Paul may
I have a motion to move into committee a
hall please thank you mayor and it's
moved by myself and second by councelor
Bey that the council move into Committee
of the whole for consideration of the
committee reports thank you can we have
that vot up please
and that carries 16 to Z as well so
we're now on to committee report 6.1 is
selection committee for agencies boards
and subcommittees Report
24-7 August 15 2024 councelor casar may
I please have a motion to receive an
appr the recommendations within the
selection committee report of course
merits moved by Me seconded by Vice
chair of that committee councelor Mark
tatterson that the selection committee
for agencies boards and subcommittees
Report
24-7 held on Thursday August 15 2024 be
received and the recommendations
contained therein be approved okay uh
thanks very much uh are there any items
within the report that members would
like to speak to amend or have voted on
separately I believe excuse me that the
clerks have the list uh uh going I don't
see anything on my screen uh seeing none
then uh we'll go directly to the um the
vote on that committee report
and that carries 16 to Zero thanks very
much we're on to 6.2 Public Works
committee report
24-11 September 3rd 2024 councelor
spatap for May I please have a motion to
receive and approve the recommendations
within the Public Works committee
report thank you mayor it's moved by
myself second white counselor Nan that
the Public Works committee report 24-11
being the meeting held on Tuesday
September 3rd 2024 be received and the
recommendation contain therein be
approved uh thanks very much uh been
moved and seconded I don't see anybody
on the list as yet uh councelor Jackson
please go ahead thank you mayor Horvath
good morning um item8 um installation of
traffic calming measures on D Garen
Street uh the petition organizer Mr Roco
baglia would not believe it unless I
read it this morning for public
consumption that uh committee has
recommended unanimously hopefully
ratified today that two speed cushions
will be installed on Garen 89% of the
residents fronting on that street from
Dyson to Eleanor uh Avenue uh supported
the petition request and the always stop
to come at Dyson and dgar as well and
I'm going to use this as an opportunity
to thank a very Progressive proactive
measure by director uh Carolyn ryall as
you may recall mayor Horvath up to now
if members of council uh were able to
secure uh support for Speed cushions at
this body had to wait either for a
spring or fall session to have them
installed and if you missed one or the
other then you better get in line for
the following year and often it led to
frustration and some angst amongst the
community who desperately wanted uh
traffic calming measures like speed
cushions installed in their streets and
often had to wait up to a year if you me
if you miss the fall and spring uh
installation construction session
through director ryall's initiative now
as they get approved starting January 1
they will be installed as they are
improved and I'm really grateful for
that and that will speed up the process
and most importantly get um traffic
safety measures uh constructed uh much
sooner than later in our community where
neighborhoods desperately want them
thanks mayor Horvath uh thank you
councelor Jackson I don't see any
further speakers on the
list so we'll then uh go to the vote on
the Public Works committee report moved
by councelor spora and seced by
councelor Nan
that carries 16 to Zero thanks very much
we're now to 6.3 the city of Hamilton
lobbyist registers report regarding
citation inquiry regram Cubit dgb d lri
i- 2 202 24-1 dated September 3rd 2024
may I please have a motion to receive
the city of Hamilton lobbyist registar
report regarding
citation uh inquiry regram Cubit dgb lri
20241 dated September 3rd
2024 motion moved by councelor Paul
seconded by councelor casar um any
discussion on this item
folks uh councelor Clark please go
ahead uh yes may is Mr beian present
today uh he is he is not present oh yes
he is present yes he is uh he is present
did you have a a question of yes please
okay can you uh please uh put it um I've
not received one of these reports before
on
lobbying um is
this the practice that we are going to
entertain now if there are concerns
about businesses uh not registering as
lobbyist this is how it will
work um the Integrity commissioner can
respond but I do want to let folks know
that we are going to be having a session
uh with the Integrity commissioner uh
for counselors uh and uh uh and folks
that's outside of any particular issue
so that we can talk about you know how
things uh will proceed with the new
Integrity commissioner if that I thought
that might be something helpful for
Council Members let me that thank you
that will be very help ful and so let me
change my
question
um a few of us have been
pondering
about not for
profits did they always have to register
as
lobbyists Integrity commissioner
bosan uh yes there's a whole section in
my report where we analyze uh whether
the uh lobbyist registry bylaw applies
to not for profits we conclude that they
it
does uh it's it's implicit in the in the
very wording of the bylaw
itself uh that certain not for profits
or in certain circumstances not for
profits are
excluded uh and implicitly from that uh
where there isn't a specific exemption
we concluded that not for profits are
included uh as lobbyists and and needing
to to Lobby uh needing to register if
they're going to be engaged in lobbying
of uh designated public office
holders thank you um a follow-up
question if I may
um so the
punishment the reprimand that has been
decided upon by
yourself uh for Mr Cubit is a
30-day um prohibition on lobbying is
that
correct that's correct the bylaw
stipulates that for a first offense the
penalty is up to 30day suspension given
the fact that the lobbyist registry
bylaw has been in forced for nine
years uh and there's been a lack of
registration by the individual for those
throughout that nine-year
period um we concluded that the maximum
penalty should be applicable for the
first offense
so can I ask one last question and it's
more of a
hypothetical is it
possible
for an individual similar to this
situation to be banned from lobbying for
30 days but actually end up getting a
contract from the city of Hamilton for
the lobbying that the individual took
did
Integrity
commissioner I don't have any powers
beyond the suspensions that are
stipulated in the bylaw so I have no way
of
regulating the awarding the awarding of
contracts or or
the you know whatever benefits may may
acre from the lobbying the illegal
lobbying
activity um so that's just something
something outside of my jurisdiction and
outside of my capability to
redress so I guess I look to the mayor
and sure and the
council what process do we have in place
to prohibit someone taking advantage of
the fact that they didn't register as a
lobbyist and they secure contracts
during that time frame is there anything
so we we do have a code of conduct uh
that speaks to proper procedures and
processes for uh members of council and
for staff to undertake when making
decisions about um contracts and other
relationships other uh opportunities
vendors those kinds of things uh I think
both of these pieces are pieces uh both
the Integrity Commissioners uh piece
around um uh around lobbying and other
things uh as well as code of conduct and
procedural bylaw all we all need a
Refresh on that so that we feel
confident as a council that we
understand uh and or amend when where we
think necessary the the processes that
we have in place to exactly address
these kinds of perceived uh holes if you
will uh and so I think that's a piece of
work that uh that we need to do and I've
uh I've let the city manager know as
well as the city clerk uh that uh we'd
like to have that happen as soon as
possible
so just and I I agree 100% with what
you're saying um my question went more
towards is there anything that we have
in our
bylaws that would prohibit the issuing
of a
contract to an
individual or their company for lobbying
that they under
took while it
was while they were not registered with
the city of Hamilton so it seems that
there's a um a a Gap a Gap a whole yeah
yeah thank you mayor thank you councelor
Clark I I don't know if there's anybody
on the bench that might be able to
respond uh city manager clucky uh if you
could uh provide any response or or Jim
zerck because of the finance uh piece
through you Madame Mayor Mike scar
general manager of finance Corporate
Services I am not aware of any
restrictions within a bylaw or a policy
that would prohibit the city awarding a
contract to an individual or
organization that has been found
lobing thank you councelor Clark can I
just ask uh clerk trenum to um confirm
that that we will be addressing some of
these uh pieces uh in the in the short
chairman yeah uh thank you Madame mayor
so there has been this request and I
know there may be a lot of questions
that are more related to the bylaw or
how the lobbyist registry works and our
hope is to invite the Integrity
commissioner to a very not so distant
future meeting to provide an education
session on that and allow you to ask
those questions what I might recommend
today as much as possible that debate
and questions remain directly related to
this report and and what it's getting to
and we will do our best to ensure that
you have access to the information that
you need to answer the 10 gent questions
related to this particular matter thanks
cler trenum I appreciate that so uh we
now have a further speakers list uh
councilors Francis mcmein and Nan just
so folks know uh what's uh coming up so
councelor Francis please go ahead thanks
mayor horbath and I'm obviously very
appalled by some of the information
that's been reveal in this report um
clearly we need a bigger conversation
about the lobbyist registry and I
understand staff are working on that
report to council um what currently U
for public consumption we have an online
form simple online form that takes all
the five minutes to complete the
register for those who are
wondering um you know I would say based
on the Integrity commissioner's findings
I would imagine it would be in the best
interest of the city to not award this
project to Endwell uh the Optics are
horrendous um if that were to happen in
light of these
findings um we'd be chargering into a
green belt Scandal type of uh
territory you know I understand that the
design work for this project has
occurred and explicitly outlined in Mr
cubit's communication to the mayor and
I'm going to quoted here to find a
workaround in relation to defeat of the
staff proposal to make available parking
lots on Lake Avenue sou and Stony Creek
end quote so my question to staff is
given that the Integrity commissioner
explicitly outlines the financial
interest of Mr Cubit by way of his wife
Emily receiving architectural work for
her Services as a principle of
envisage has the city of Hamilton
through the procurement process paid
envisage for their services regarding
the Lake Avenue parking lots through you
mayor uh so I don't know that that's uh
what is before us at this point but uh I
can certainly ask the clerk to confirm
the question that was raised I I I
believe that the Integrity
commissioner's report uh is here before
us to be received but uh I don't know
that there we have the ability to kind
of um um what's the word I'm looking for
uh determine what's in it and how it's
uh how it's being uh applied so perhaps
I can look to the clerk for some
clarification uh and Madame mayor I I
might suggest that staff may not even
have all of those answers ready at this
time and what might be more relevant is
to seek additional information from
staff if if that's necessary but again
I'll I'll just point to the fact that
this report is here just for
information um the Integrity
commissioner is here to answer questions
related directly to the report and staff
may be able to speak to items in the
report but we do just want to be careful
about how far away from the report we
get and that's the advice that I will
provide okay thanks very much so I don't
know if there are staff uh available in
the um uh bench at the front bench that
would like to address the issues that
were raised by The
Counselor through you um Madame mayor um
if I could get the counselor to just uh
repeat uh also s Chris Phillips the
manager of the municipal Land
Development Office if I could get the
counselor just to repeat again what he's
looking
for yeah no problem um through you mayor
my question to
staff given that the Integrity
commissioner explicitly outlines the
financial interest of Mr Cubit by way of
his wife Emily receiving architectural
work for services as principal design uh
principal of envisage Architects has the
city of Hamilton through its procurement
process paid in Visage for services
directly related to Lake Avenue parking
lots through you Madame mayor um my uh
my team is called the municipal Land
Development Office part of our team's
work is to do pre-development work as it
relates to identified City sites for
affordable housing the Lake Avenue
properties are identified as two of the
six sites that our team worked on um as
part of our work uh we did uh retain and
Visage Architects through the city's
roster program to provide conceptual
designs uh for development on several of
these sites including Lake Avenue
property although invisage uh and in
indwell often collaborate on projects
and Designs is important to understand
that they they were not collaborating in
this particular context City staff uh
worked with en Visage directly to come
up with the conceptual designs that
reflected a broader approach
um to affordable housing and conceptual
designs on those
sites thank you so in short yes and to
summarize it appears the mayor met or
communicated with the husband of the
architect who subsequently received
financial compensation after using
strong mayor powers to push this project
through so uh can I just stop you for a
minute there I'm going to have to give
up the chair so the uh the uh Deputy
Mayor is going to have to Yes uh take
over the chair and I'm gonna raise a
point of order frankly on this I find it
um you know very disturbing that my um
Integrity is being imped by this
particular member of council I think
it's inappropriate and I think he is
taking information pulling it out of a
report and using it to accuse me of
behaving in an untar manner when it
comes to my professional responsibility
as the mayor of this city and I do not
accept that so I would ask this point of
order to be um um uh dealt with by the
deputy mayor okay uh so councelor
Francis um that we do not want to accuse
anybody we're we're talking about this
Integrity commissioner we're going to
learn more about it and you publicly
uh publicly retract retracted and
apologize okay can I let me allow me to
clarify chair I said it appears well
if it appears in my opinion when you say
it appears the focus is on our mayor and
I want you to retract it and I want you
to apologize let me say
this I've got the floor counselor n
thank
you I understand this is the Optics of
this are not great that was the point
that I was getting at point but I I'm
I'm I'm retracting my let me I'm getting
to that get to it
councelor councelor Francis please I I
retract my statement okay thank you I
the point that I was trying and
apologize please and I said apologize
mayor I want you to retract it apologize
and if you don't uh you must leave okay
I I I retract my statement and I
apologize the point allow me to continue
please do I have the floor you do have
the floor but once you apologize and
retract it I think uh it's end up
conversation oh oh I'm not done what
what I I want to say I still have the
floor I still have five minutes so you
do have the floor but once you have
apologized and retracted the statement I
give you Council to be careful of your
words thank you the point that I'm
trying to make overall here is this
Integrity commission report as a whole
does not look good it requires further
investigation
and I'm not going that's all the if I
was allowed to say my entire speech
without being interrupted point of order
the mayor has the right to do that I
understand that's okay she she's she's
taken her I was getting to the point of
this the point of this is there are
still way more questions than
answers this deserves further
investigation I will be bringing a
notice of motion later in this agenda to
accomplish that
and you know I don't think it's too late
to do the right thing I don't think it's
too counselor you're still uh accusing
by saying that statement please I just
want to say that the mayor did make it
clear that we're going to have a meeting
with Integrity commissioner get all the
facts out talk about because we have a
lot of learning to do so you already
apologize you already uh retracted your
statement don't go deeper into what you
want to say because it points the
fingers back at our mayor and I will not
allow that I'm okay I'm going to point
to something real quick
here and this is
in according to strong mayor's Building
Homes act 2022 point of order
we you already Apologize by saying about
the strong ordered by the mayor I do not
want want to hear it again please
retract that again and apologize again
and if not we will have to have you
listen I I'm trying to clarify the point
that I'm trying when I say I'm bringing
notice of motion I'm trying to clarify
that point for you I'll retract that
that's fine I'm just telling you you're
you're you're everyone's wondering why
I'm saying I'm bringing this up I'm I'm
referencing something that's in an act I
I retract that I'll I'll speak about it
and notice as a motion then okay if you
want it I will leave it I will leave it
at that we that and then think about
what you want to do at the notice of
motion problem and then okay thank you
uh mayor um sorry about that no it's you
know you can't apologize for other
people's behavior I'll take the chair
back take theair than you very much uh
the next speaker on the list is uh
councelor mcmein and then councelor Nan
councelor MCM please go ahead thanks uh
your worship I I don't know all of the
details um because these things t to be
sprung on us and then
we we kind of sort it try to sort it out
and that's that's tricky but but I I
just want to say that I I don't know how
many Charities have registered uh on on
the registry I suspect not very many and
I just want to point out that we have
heard from Mr Cubit and the Hamilton his
home people at our request many times uh
have have have we been breaking our own
uh uh Integrity uh reference I I phone U
numerous Charities uh as as part of my
uh and others it's part of my
responsibility as a counselor to find
out what the hell is going on in the
city you know so
um well I don't know where this ends uh
you know do we uh do we have to get some
lawyer to clear
um um in advance that I want to phone
somebody who knows something more than I
know about housing to uh uh get some
further understanding of where we're
going um uh you know should we be
thinking in terms of uh uh because there
are some bylaw Provisions that I would
argue if I had the time to do a a little
bit more research actually cover this
situation off it should not have been uh
tackled this way but uh I I'm of the
opinion that uh we should be really care
careful not to tie our hands when it
comes to seeking advice uh from
constituents um and I see everyone in
this city as my
constituent and so I I I'm I'm inclined
I don't know what what could happen here
I'm glad we're going to have a meeting
to talk about it but I think this is a
bizarre situation I think Charities
specifically not for profit Charities
who by definition are not for profit
should be Exempted from the uh from um
and in the bylaw so that the Integrity
commissioner U God blessed is doing just
doing his job as he perceives it uh can
have some further guidance so um those
are my comments I I'm I really see what
what is happening
here given our long history we're
partners with indwell Hon this home um
all the time that's that's part of our
road map that's part of our NGO
partnership response for goodness sakes
and uh you know now if uh there's some
conversation that happens I'm not party
to directly what that was
um you know is this going to happen if I
if I call Brother
Richard is this going to happen if I
call the Kanas uh Club to see how things
are on the East End is this going to
happen uh um you you name it with the
Terry Fox group for example I where does
it end anyhow those are those are my
comments I'm glad we're going to have a
meeting and I want to
Ed so this is cleaned up thanks uh
thanks very much councelor MCM councelor
Nan please thank you through you mayor
and appreciating your opening comments
about an opportunity for Council to have
a one-on-one and review uh some of these
policy pieces but I do have a question
for our integrity commissioner if you
could um please in the context of this
report um I tried to find the the Nuance
but I couldn't um can you help me
understand the difference from your
perspective of
partnership good faith collaboration and
lobbying as it relates to the findings
of your
report well i' I'd like
to respond firstly to to councelor mcm's
comment and and that is that um if the
counselor contacts the charity then
that's certainly not lobbying by the
charity and that
doesn't you know fall within the
parameters of the bylaw at all uh so
that is not not a legitimate
concern
um there there there isn't just one uh
or even
seven um affordable housing developers
operating in the city of
Hamilton and everyone should have a
Level Playing Field
absolutely and
so you know it as councelor Francis
pointed out it takes all of five minutes
to register as a lobbyist and that
clears the air that that solves the
problem this isn't an onerous uh task
there's no fee that has to be paid uh
it's simply registering so you identify
that yes I am Sol soliciting public
office holders as defined
uh to attempt to obtain business from
the city and whether you're not for
profit or not you're still in
business um these are paid people uh as
we point out in the
report fairly generously in in the case
of some of the employees of these not
for-profit
organizations so
uh I I I'm not able off the top of my
head to give you these silos or Define
each of these silos that you identified
councelor Nan
but may I just clarify my question sure
if you don't mind um Integrity
commissioner you you'll get a
clarification from councelor Nan in
terms of what she was looking for in her
query thank you um and so the reason I'm
asking this is to get very clear because
the implications of your report are
pretty significant for the advancement
of this municipality to work in good
faith with our subject matter
expertise in this community who have
over a century worth of dedicated
tireless service helping us address the
homelessness and housing needs in our
community as a municipality we are
incapable of doing this work without
these
Partners who have for over a century
collectively worked with Integrity to
make sure our community is one where
everyone can Thrive so Mr B
Mr Integrity
commissioner the implications of your
reporter
significant and so when I'm asking you
on the spot yes to not go into a siloed
description but instead give me your
subject matter expertise to define the
difference between good faith
partnership sectoral
collaboration and lobbying please okay
well for example if you read the report
you'll see that we excluded any
Hamilton's home
meetings we took that off the table and
said that's not lobbying so this
collaboration piece has nothing to do
with lobbying the Hamilton is home
collaboration with the city we expressly
found does not constitute
lobbying so that was not any of the
there's nothing that did not form a
basis for a finding of unregistered
lobbying in this
case
um the other thing I will say I think we
in good faith and and and accurately
applied this bylaw that Council
passed uh and if Council thinks it's
overly broad that maybe not for profit
shouldn't be included uh I think we we
decided to interpret it that
collaborative efforts between
organizations like Hamilton is home
and the city's housing secretari for
example uh would not be deemed to be
lobbying uh but if you want this bylaw
which I think is already riddled with
exceptions uh as you can see by reading
the report all the Hoops that have to be
jumped through to make a finding of
improper
lobbying uh if if it's still seen to be
overly
Broad and and hitting targets that that
this Council doesn't want to see
affected then it can amend the bylaw
accordingly but we've simply applied the
bylaw and I think based on the the
current wording of that bylaw we did so
correctly thank you councelor n those
are my questions H thanks very much we
now have councelor cret and then
councelor Clark for a second time counc
cret please go
ahead thanks and uh just a brief comment
and a question
my comment
is primarily about the philosophical
nature of this discussion about lobbying
generally speaking lobbying is about
trying to convince someone to do
something that's my general
understanding I'm not an expert in
lobbying by the way I did read the
report and I've read the bylaw but I
don't understand really um how we're
understanding the convincing part I'll
say this because in this report um there
was a 171 Main Street e was a parking
lot we were considering and I said I'm
going to try to work to have that
postponed a bit so we can get a report
back that was what I was trying to do
then Mr K would emailed me and said hey
um I think you should postpone this I
was like um I already did that so like
it was a very quick exchange of me
saying like I'm already postponing this
and doing this work no convincing needed
I think you actually may have said that
in here like there wasn't any convincing
need in some of these places can you
talk a little bit about that because I
would have certainly if someone was
trying to ask me to do something or
convince me to do something said hey
this feels like lobbying go to the
registry right but nothing about that
was needing to convince me to do
anything it was just a contact from
someone randomly saying from my
perspective randomly saying hey would
you consider doing this thing and me
being like already doing it so could you
explain to me what that philosophical
distinction is and how I'm supposed to
understand that as a counselor Integrity
commissioner
um well first of all there's a giant
exception
uh in terms of the requirement to
register uh based on whether it's a
constituent of yours councelor crutch uh
so right off the bat if that individual
who you were conversing with was a
constituent then that's Exempted from
any requirement to register as a
lobbyist um I can't speak to any
hypothetical examples or or your
particular example uh which you've you
know uh provided in very uh general
terms without the specifics we would
need to look at whether it's lobbying
but I can tell you in the case of Mr
Cubit um there definitely were asks okay
there were asks for money there were
asks for land there were asks and that's
lobbying if you're going to say we want
you to support our applications for
provincial or federal funding we want
you to endorse them we want you to say
yeah we want them to be getting uh these
grants to build affordable housing in
our
jurisdiction we want we want uh Surplus
land uh from the city that's those are
asks and therefore that is lobbying if
you're asking for something you're
lobbying I don't think I can explain it
any better and we found multiple
examples of that in the case of Mr Cubit
and that's why we found a
violation thanks Integrity commissioner
bagoan that's helpful um I'm referring
actually specifically to page 40 where
you found this to be lobbying I'm being
very specific and not General you found
this situation to be lobbying and I
think what you're saying if I understand
you correctly and this is educational
for everyone here is that if the
intention of the person regardless of
what whether I understand it the
intention of the person is to ask us to
do something or to ask us to change our
influence or whatever it might be do
something delay something whatever it
might be um that person should be
directed to the lobbyist registry no
matter what so if they're coming to ask
us a question and there's any worry we
have we should direct that person to the
lobbyist registry I'm just pointing out
here this had nothing to do with
monetary asks nothing to do with
Partnerships this was simply him saying
hey um I wonder if you could delay this
thing till later inherently in that
obviously I'm just going to be honest of
course there's an ask in there somewhere
so I get your point I'm just want to say
this is directly com report which is why
I asked the question um I'll leave it
there thanks uh thanks councelor crutch
councelor Clark
please thank you mayor while we have the
Integrity commissioner with us I've
heard a couple of comments from
counselors uh who seem to be a little
bit confused when it comes to verifying
if an individual has registered as a
lobbyist I've never asked that I didn't
think it was my obligation to ask that I
thought the obligation was inherently on
the individual if the individual knows
that they're going to be lobbying for um
a specific uh amount of Grants or are
they going to be lobbying to purchase
land office then they should be
registering as a
lobbyist to the Integrity commissioner
isn't that onus on that individual
business or or corporate leader it
surely that bonus is not on the
counselors to verify somehow that there
should be a registered
lobbyist uh you're absolutely right
there is no obligation on uh counil
members of council or any public office
holder
to um take steps to verify that a person
who is lobbying them is registered
however if the counselor or other public
office holder knows that the person is
not registered and and is lobbying then
there is there is an obligation and
that's set out in the Min PL Act and the
bylaw so there's no positive obligation
for you to check but if you know they're
not registered and you know they're
lobbying you you do have an obligation
to say I can't I can't continue this any
further until you register like I said
it's a f minute
exercise um you know we we occasionally
get people who have trouble uh
navigating the the uh the interface on
the city's website and we deal with that
um uh there there's a very helpful
Hamilton staff who who have helped
probably six or seven just in the last
few months that I can
recall individuals who have called me
attempting to register who ran into
difficulty for example if you're from
the United States uh that poses a
problem to registering but
um uh having said that there there
really isn't um much uh bonus on public
office holders uh unless they happen to
know for example we're going to be
posting notice today on the city's
website as the bylaw requires alerting
all public office holders in the city
that Mr Cubit cannot Lobby them for 30
days and so there will be a notice and
and we're also going to send an email to
all the public office holders as defined
in my report to let them know so in this
case uh everyone will have notice of uh
that that they cannot uh
be the the uh subject of lobbying from
this individual but there's no onus on
the in the case of other people and if I
I I would very much like to spend some
time with members of council to go over
the lobby registry because I think you'd
be reassured once we review all of the
exceptions that
this this bylaw is not the Trap that it
appears there's some fear today that it
is and um thank you we're looking
forward to doing that as well councelor
Clark please I'm just trying to clear
the air because you you kind of said two
things commissioner in one breath you
said uh there is no onus or obligation
on the the elected
members to direct people or to check
that people are registered
lobbyists and then you indicated but if
you know in a meeting that they are
lobbying you then you should be
directing them or asking
them the bylaw doesn't seem to say that
so I'm trying to understand today what
our responsibility is as a counselor as
per the bylaw specifically please thanks
councelor Clark Integrity commissioner
yes I did not say that uh if you're
being lobbied you have to ask them I
said if they're lobbying you and you
know that they are not registered then
you have an obligation to tell them that
you cannot continue further until they
register so it's only if you know that
for example as you will in the case
of uh Mr cuit in the next few hours
because you're going to get an email and
there'll be a notice post on the site
you will you will have that information
you will know that there's probably very
few other
times where you will have that knowledge
that they're not registered um where
where there would be any bonus on you to
do
anything thanks very much Integrity
commissioner councelor Clark should we
maybe bring this to the the broader
discussion when we have that meeting yes
but to be clear when people come to our
offices we don't know if they're
lobbyists or not exactly because there's
no owners on us and so if that needs to
be changed then let's have that
discussion exactly but to be clear the
mayor dealing with Mr Cubit there was no
onus on the mayor or her staff to verify
that he was a registered lobbyist that's
the way the bylaw is written
currently thank you thank you uh
councelor Clark uh councelor Alex Wilson
please uh thank you and through you
mayor just one question on the report um
just a quick one wondering if appendix a
is comp apprehensively scoped from your
perspective so there was a complaint you
did an investigation appendix a the last
couple of pages is The instances where
you're saying lobbying did occur
exemptions didn't apply um is that
comprehensive just I think there's been
comments about what do we know what do
we not know Etc I just wondering there's
not other pieces um from your
investigation a is is what you
found well we we reviewed about
108 email strings
or
chains and we narrowed it down to those
46 that a constituted lobbying and B
were not Exempted so in terms of
comprehensive yes those 46 are the only
ones that we found
were um unregistered law being contrary
to the bylaw uh the other whatever 108
minus 46 is um were were uh were cleared
that was my only question thank you
thanks councelor Wilson uh councelor
casar please thanks mayor uh just maybe
to bring it to a conclusion I imagine
that there may be some interpretation
that Mr Cubit would not be able to have
any communication with the city over the
next 30 days but I wanted to point out
maybe get the Integrity commissioner
just confirm as has been touched on
briefly in our conversation that public
office holders can reach out to Mr cubit
in the next 30 days which is permissible
and and Mr Cubit would be allowed to
reply do I have that
correct yes absolutely in fact he's not
prohibited from not speaking with anyone
at the city uh for 30 days he's
prohibited from lobbying so you know if
he's make following up on existing
developments uh to find out the status
of approvals Etc that's not lobbying uh
so it's just lobbying activity that's
prohibited for the next 30
days yeah thank you you Mary for that
clarification I think that's very
important and I understand these
situations which are complex and novel
for many of us it could be easy to kind
of jump to conclusions but I think
that's a very important one more thing
one more thing I meant to add councelor
Kazar which is any activity he does
through Hamilton is home for example
meetings with H Hamilton Home in the
city we've Exempted that so that that's
not affected
either thank you thanks councelor casar
uh there are no further speakers uh I
was contemplating going on for a second
time but I think I'll do the right thing
and have this conversation in a more
fome way at an appropriate time with the
entire Council and the Integrity
commissioner so on that note um seeing
no further speakers the motion before us
moved by councelor Pauls and seconded by
councelor CL casar rather is to receive
uh uh the
report so please indicate your uh your
votes
yeah it's just a
receive that carries 16 to Zero thanks
very much we're now on to the General
issues committee report
24-14 September 4th 2024 councelor Pauls
may I please have a motion to receive
and approve the recommendations within
the general issues committee report
thank you mayor that the general issue
committee report
24014 being the meeting held on
Wednesday September 4th 2024 be received
and the recommendation contained therein
be approved and it's second by counselor
uh Bey okay uh thanks very much uh so on
item
6.4 uh councelor Clark is that for this
one or was that from last one okay uh
councelor Clark please go ahead uh thank
you mayor I don't have any comments to
make other than I would like to sever
out item number
71b so I can vote that's the item
that keeps the downtown Entertainment
District status update
confidential and number nine
I'd like to be recorded as opposed those
are my two items or separated out for
that vote
also uh
okay so do we have those
uh items identified as a separate
votes can we just repeat what those are
councelor clerk so I have them right on
my world road map um my pleasure mayor
no that's no problem it seven um one b 1
B okay that deals with appendix a the
downtown un obtainment District status
update
and number nine which is the lease
extension and amending agreement for
Ontario works at 250 Main Street East
okay thanks very much appreciate that
apologize for having to get the
clarification uh councelor uh and you
didn't want to speak to that any further
uh councelor Moran Wilson please oh okay
that's a not necess necessary apparently
um any further speakers I don't see any
oh uh counselor Paul please I just uh
want to say thank you to councelor Morin
Wilson uh the all abilities Allstar
motion uh they were so excited they came
early at 9:00 I told them to come around
noon and they were there anticipating
Allstar is giving uh everybody
opportunity to do Sports whether there's
a disability or not uh but when I saw
them up there I you know I just thought
I I wanted to pass the motion but then a
counselor Moren Wilson uh jumped in and
uh they wanted me to tell you thank you
very much and uh I want to thank Council
for this grant of $10,000 that's going
to help all everybody in the city and uh
so I want to say thank you uh thank you
very much uh councelor Pauls uh seeing
no further speakers then uh we'll first
go to item
71b as a separate
vote um so if we could put that vote up
please and that carries 11 to 5 thanks
thanks very much uh we're then on to
item nine for a separate vote
please uh and that carries 13 to3 uh
thanks very much folks and then the
report as a
whole and that carries 16 to Z thank you
very much uh we are now on to uh the
next item on the agenda which is 6
five the audit finance and
administration committee report
24-15 September 5th
2024 councelor Wang may I please have a
motion to receive and approve the
recommendations within the audit finance
and administration committee report yes
mayor mooved by myself seconded by Vice
chair spora that the audit finance and
administration committee report
24-15 being the meeting held on Thursday
September the 5th be received and that
the recommendations contained therein be
approved okay thanks very much I don't
see any speakers uh on the list uh so
we'll go then uh to the vote on the
audit Finance Administration committee
report that carries 16 to Zero thanks
very much item 6.6 is the uh planning
committee report
24-12 September 6 2024 councelor casar
may I please have a motion to receive
and approve the recommendations within
the planning committee report of course
mayor horth moved by Me seconded by Vice
chair Council Morin Wilson that planning
committee report
24-12 being the meeting held on Friday
September 6th 2024 be received and the
recommendations contain therein be
approved okay I don't see any speakers
on this report was kind of oh councelor
Alex Wilson please
apologies that went faster than I was
able to Signal just two quick items of
Kudos um really want to thank staff for
the report when it comes to business
licensing verification um building back
better in our cyber recovery and making
that fee not only easier but the
turnaround time quicker for businesses
that are say just moving down the street
or doing something like that that's
simple um I know that's something that
people are certainly appreciative of and
is going to make things easier in that
regard and then the other one is to
Heritage staff and the volunteers that
have been working
since before this term started um on
getting that report ready to go with
respect to the Melville Street Heritage
District study um that's now gone
through Heritage committee it's gone
through planning committee and if
approved today Heritage staff get to
start talking to land owners and moving
forward with the designation process um
as we've seen at planning committees
that's not a you're automatically a
Heritage designation it just means that
we're going to start talking to land
owners and engaging at a district level
these are both examples of where staff
have taken a different approach adapted
and been able to meet with residents
kind of get outcomes going despite say
changing provincial legislation or
budgetary pressures there and so just
items of Kudos on both of those they're
certainly appreciated by folks and
13 thanks very much councelor Wilson uh
councelor Clark
please uh thank you Mary this is with
regard to item one on the planning
committee which an appeal to the Ontario
Lands Tribunal for properties located at
157 Centennial Parkway in Upper Stony
Creek there are now two appeals um if I
can ask through our planning staff just
because there's so much confusion in my
community it's it's a little a little
bit crazy so the first Appeal on this
property was with the zoning decision
and um uh the the
uh it was a resoning application and the
official plan and and it was appealed to
the Ontario Lands Tribunal for
non-decision if I believe can I get
clarification uh GM roboso please uh
through you Madame mayor to the W
counselor the W counselor is correct the
official plan amendment in zoning by
Amendment applications were appealed to
the Olt for non-decision thank
you uh thank you and this is the
property that is ramped with flooding
and we've been wrestling with the
drainage plan for this property for
quite some time but then what surprised
me Madame mayor was that there was a
second Appeal on the very same
property and it was an appeal based on
the fact that the city did not make a
decision on the site plan which struck
me because I didn't think you could do a
site plan until you actually had a
decision on the zoning and the official
plan can I get clarification again from
Mr robish Show thanks councelor Clark uh
acting J rob Bushell please through
Madame mayor to the counselor the
counselor is correct uh site plans are
delegated by the planning act to City
staff but City staff would not be in a
position to approve a site plan
application where the principle of the
land use has been established through
the zoning and the official plan
Amendment or in this case the proposed
site plan would conflict with the
current zoning that's on the property
and that is why City staff had not
approved the application for site plan
approval until such time as the zoning
and the official plan Amendment
application was approved was settled um
but one of the issues that City staff
have been long aware of relating to this
property and the adjacent properties are
issues relating to grading and storm
water management and the effects on the
adjacent properties so the city staff
have been working with the applicant to
ensure that there are no adverse impacts
on the adjacent lands should there be
approvals granted to allow for the
Redevelopment of 157 upper Centennial
thank you thank you and I want to thank
staff for following our
policies you can't get in trouble if we
follow the policies and for the
residents who were quick to jump on us
because there was another delay on this
property it's still at the Olt so there
should not have been a site plan
application we can't stop them from
filing it but we can't say yes or no to
a site plan until we get the zoning
approved and the official plan Amendment
approved or not approved so that's the
challenge on this property and I just
want the folks in Upper stonia Creek to
know that we're well aware of it we are
working our way through the
Olt um but the second appeal was not
necessary in my humble opinion thank you
thank you councelor Clark uh I don't see
any further speakers uh to this report
uh and so uh we then have it before us
uh for the
vote uh the planning committee report 24
uh1 two moved by councelor casar and
seconded by councelor uh Moran Wilson
thank
you and that carries 16 to Zero thanks
very much uh councelor Paul we're now
going to ask you for the uh motion to
rise from Committee of the whole thank
you mayor and it's Boo by myself second
by uh councelor Jeff Bey that the
committee of the whole rise as Council
to report and confirm the action taken
in the committee of the whole thank you
uh thanks very much can we please get
the vote on the uh rising from C the
hall
and that carries 16 to Zero thanks very
much uh we are on to motions uh so we
have uh amendment to items 7.1 and 7.2
of the August 16th 2024 Council minutes
councelor MCM would you please present
your
motion yes indeed Madam your worship
Madame mayor um
my first of all my apologies to council
when you are working with citizen groups
who for whatever reason or combination
of reasons I have an accounting
procedure sometimes to save at
administrative cost of setting up
separate ones and sometimes for uh
receding charitable donations the check
doesn't go to the group it goes to their
surrogate and this motion queans it up
the grace Anglican Church uh um actually
sponsors the food with Grace program so
the the check would go to them the
social planning and research Council of
Hamilton for The Taste but program and
by the way social planning research
Council handles this administratively
for many many charities in the city and
also the migrants manner
group started about 10 years ago out of
St James and uh I was surprised to learn
that accounting is still through St
James which is good anyhow that's what
the motion
covers okay that's more of a
housekeeping matter imagine thanks very
much Council m m you have a
seconder uh Tom Tom Jackson second to by
councelor Jackson uh any
discussion thank you thanks Tom seeing
none uh we'll then uh go to the vote on
the uh housekeeping amendments to 7.1
and 7.2 of those
minutes thanks to
always
reliable uh and that carries a 16 to
Zero thanks very much uh we are now on
to uh notices of motion 8.1 is amendment
to item three of the Public Works
committee report
23-11 respecting combustion powered
small equipment manufactur
standardization renewal uh pw1 18028 a
Citywide which was approved by Council
on August 18th
2023 councelor spap for May I please
have a motion to wave the
rules thank you mayor and it's moved by
myself and seconded by uh Vice chair
Alex Wilson that the Rules of Order be
waved to allow for the introduction of a
motion respecting an amendment to item
three of the Public Works committee
report
23-11 respecting combustion powered
small equipment manufacturer
standardization renewal pw1 18028 a
Citywide which was approved by Council
on August 18th 2023 okay thanks very
much then on the waving of the
rules have the vote up that's great
uh that carries 16 to Zero thanks very
much so councelor spor please uh present
your motion thank you mayor it's moved
by myself and again uh seconded by Vice
chair Alex Wilson to amend item three of
the Public Works committee report
23-11 respecting combustion powered
small equipment manufacturer
standardization renewal pw80 28a City
which was approved by Council on August
18th
2023 therefore be it resolved that item
three of the Public Works committee
report respecting combustion powered
small equipment manufacturer
standardization renewal PW 18028 a
Citywide be amended as follows and
you'll see in appendix a mayor that uh
it's basically legal name changes um
just to make sure we have the correct um
company legal
names okay is that good clerks or you
need some more writing or reading no
good all right thanks very much
councelor spora uh any uh discussion on
this uh motion seeing none now we'll go
to the vote then moved by councelor spor
and seconded by councel Alex Wilson
that carries 16 to Zero thanks very much
uh we are now on to 8.2 temporary stop
controls Barton Street West and Ray
Street North Ward one councelor Moren
Wilson may I please have the motion to
wave the
rules thank you mayor horbath excuse me
it's moved by myself and seconded by my
uh neighbor counselor uh Cameron cret
that the Rules of Order be waved to
allow for the introduction of a motion
respecting temporary stop controls
Barton Street West and Street North the
reason I'm seeking to wave the rules is
uh as folks know there is um
construction very necessary construction
uh along York Boulevard in Wards one and
two and uh the discussion that we have
been having uh for some time with
residents um U the matter or
circumstances has been particularly
heightened and rather than wait another
cycle uh I would prefer uh these
controls be put in play sooner than
later thank you uh thanks councelor
Wilson um seconded by councelor
spora okay um any dis oh so this is on
the waving of the oh
sorry oh counc crch
sorry
sorry I'm not even touching that one um
but uh okay so that was moved by uh this
is just on the waving of the rules so
let's have the vote on the waving of the
rules moved by counselor waren Wilson
seconded by councelor cret of course War
to counselor appreciate
that and the waving uh carries 14 uh to
one
because somebody didn't get to second I
think uh but that's okay we're on to
then the motion as uh as it is please go
ahead councelor Wilson with your motion
uh thank you it is moved by myself and
seconded by councelor
CR um my neighbor in Ward to as uh noted
the situation is such there is
construction affecting both of our Wards
um folks this is very necessary uh re um
a reinvestment in the lower City City uh
and it will serve our city well um of
course when construction happens uh it's
never pleasant but this um
uh provision of temporary stops has been
under discussion with staff and they are
supportive of it and it can be done
through the use of motion as the uh
language States so be that a we direct
the transportation division please to uh
convert the intersection of Barton
Street West and Ray North to an all stop
control therefore adding additional stop
signs to Barton West for the duration of
the Reconstruction project um B that
bylaw
0215 to regulate traffic be amended to
include an always stop at this
intersection C upon the conclusion of
the uh York Boulevard reconstruction
project that the transportation division
reviewed the applicability of the Allway
stop at this intersection at the general
manager of Public Works and clerk be
authorized and direct to execute any
required agreements and inary documents
with such terms and conditions in a form
satisfactory to the city solicitor um
and in addition mayor
Horvath um in cooperation with councelor
cret we are putting in a much needed
sidewalk on the north side of Barton um
that is a safe uh passageway for folks
scurrying along to meet the train at
West Harbor uh and um full stop control
crosswalks Etc have already been
implemented at Queen and U Barton for
that purpose as well thank you uh thanks
councel Wilson I don't see anybody on
the list not sure if the seconder wanted
to add anything okay so then um we'll go
to the vote please
that carries 15 to zero uh thanks very
much um we are now then on to statement
by members no we're not sorry madam
mayor we have one more notice motion oh
I'm sorry please uh go ahead Council
Francis yeah uh we can have it up on the
screen right I've sent it the latest
version to you on the uh via email there
and mam Mar I'll just confirm through
you to the counselor that this is just
providing notice that's right okay so
the there no request to deal with it
today which means there's no debate on
the motion it's just being presented as
a notice okay
if you can't get it I can read it out
it's
fine perhaps if the councelor would like
to start we're just having issue getting
the right screen to show I'll begin all
right so this my notice of motion which
will remain as a notice of motion till
the next council meeting um in two weeks
time on uh whereas on March 27 2024 city
council officially voted to deny the
conversion of the 5 and 13 Lake Avenue
parking lots sou parking lots to
affordable housing and whereas the
Integrity commissioner report states
that mayor horbath was lobbied by an
unregistered lobbyists with financial
interest to quote find a workaround in
relation to the defeat of the staff
proposal to make available parking lots
on Lake Avenue South in Stony Creek and
quote and whereas on April 24th 20124
mayor Andrew horbath overturned City
council's decision to deny the
conversion of the parking lot using
strong miror powers and whereas the
Integrity commissioner has determined
that the lobbying efforts related to the
complaint contravene the city of
Hamilton's lobbyist registry bylaw and
whereas according to strong Mayors
Building Homes act 2022 so 2022 c18 Bill
3 section
28414 maintains that a veto decision
must be made in good faith and whereas
Hamilton City Council approved the 2023
to 2026 Office of the auditor general
work plan report AUD 23012 which
including a Housing Services audit and
whereas the office of the auditor
general is the administrator of the city
of Hilton's fraud and waste hotline the
scope of which includes the
investigation of conflicts of interest
and procurement irregularities therefore
be it resolved one that Council requests
mayor Horvat to reverse her decision to
use strong mayor powers for the
overturning of council's decision to
deny affordable housing on 5 and 13 Lake
Avenue South two that the office of the
auditor general review and the lobby
lobbyist register report regarding
inquiry regarding Graham Cubit dbg lri
2024 D year one and include relevant
risk in upcoming the upcoming Housing
Services audit per the council approve
2023 to 2026 Office of the auditor
general work plan report AUD
23021 and three that the office of the
auditor general office of the auditor
general investigate the issues and
findings contained in the lobbyist
lobbyist register report re inquiry re
gram Cubit dbg 2024 d01 including
subsequent events and related
procurements thank
you uh thanks we're now on to statements
by members uh members can you please
identify I if you uh have a statement
that you would like to make at this
point in time just please go on the list
it keeps it much more
organized uh Council m m please go ahead
yes thanks uh your worship um as many
will U know uh this Sunday is the I
think the 34th annual uh Terry Fox run
uh and um
I had the good pleasure I think I
mentioned in Council before of meeting
this young man very humble very
dedicated
hardworking lovely young fell um who
never quite made it across the country
but in the process became a
legacy um so I wanted to remind
everybody of the of the Walk um and and
tell a brief story if You' you'd bear
with me for a minute um I like to wear
the Terry Fox shirt some times to public
health committee meetings it's therapy
for me it reminds me as a as a two-time
cancer survivor just how precious all
the advocacy efforts are um on behalf of
those who uh who understandably fear any
kind of dreaded
cancer um I had the t-shirt on when my
little grandson myel was visiting uh
last week and he came up and he touched
my shirt and he said Grandpa who's that
guy and I said that's Terry
Fox and he says well what's he
do and keep it simple with a
three-year-old right I said he's trying
to help people and help them get well
and I didn't think anything of it right
until his dad came to pick him up and he
grabbed his dad's hand he said Dad Dad
come with me and he came over and he tug
my shirt again he says that's Terry the
fox it was kind of cute so I I went to
the market on Saturday and bought two
T-shirts one for me and one for mil he
won't be able to wear his until he's
about 10 years old cuz that was the
smallest size and I hope and pray that
God willing um all be there to uh Dawn
his T-shirt and we can walk the walk it
would be the
37th walk so I'm looking forward to
living long enough to enjoy that and in
the meantime I'll be on my 21st walk
this Sunday in support of uh the fox
Foundation and the wonderful work
they're doing and I would encourage
anybody and everybody who uh I know that
would be most people around this
horseshoe who are excited about uh
efforts of people like Terry Fox and his
friends to uh um spread the news thanks
thanks councelor mcmein uh very lovely
story um councelor Pauls please thank
you mayor and it's only September 11th
and uh in the last few days I've had so
many events but I just want to mention
the Fest Italia that we was the grand
opening and Embraces Italian Heritage
and participate in variety of Italian
culture events and you were there I
don't know how you do it because uh uh
there's a lot of events in September so
I wanted to uh make sure if you want to
know more about it go to FES
italia.it Alan passion the food the
music music just go to one of those
events uh the upcoming events I have
about 11 more to go but I'm going go few
uh which are very dear to my heart um
the first one that's very dear to my my
heart is running for Rachel um this is
World Suicide Prevention Day and on
Tuesday St Joseph Healthcare at west
camp at Leto butterfly remembering the
people that died by Suicide Rachel is a
friend um of uh um my friend Sid Stacy
and his daughter at 17 died by Suicide
and we've been doing a run and I've help
them and we do that at um Lime Ridge
Mall and we get about 3 400 people
walking and running and thinking about
how important it is that we make sure
when someone needs help we're there for
them and so that is very dear to my
heart is on September 29th um September
14th um uh
Community Day at the ciple in the
morning there's free movies from 9: to
11: I'll be there serving popcorn so if
you want popcorn come there and you'll
get any free movie to get in with the
family I thought that was such a great
Initiative for them on September 14th
there's neighbor to neighbor Gala event
and it's a Michelangelo I'll be there
saying a few words as well and uh so
those are the things I've got a lot more
but I'm not going going to I'm going to
repeat some of them because some of them
are very important at the end of the
month for the next Council so thank you
and mayor I still every time I go to one
of these uh Community event you're there
so I I don't know how you do and I I
thank you to be that you're there all
the time thank you uh thank you
counselor Pauls uh counselor Wang I'm
just before you start just want to let
folks know what the list is counselor
wayang councelor Jackson councelor casar
councelor Nan councelor chison councelor
Clark go ahead councelor Wayne please
thank you mayor I just wanted to thank
all of council for your support um in
August we had an opportunity to attend
Amo I recruited a bunch of counselors
and and including yourself mayor to uh
join me in advocating for myself to get
a board member position and I'm thankful
that I have been reelected back onto the
board so it's
another thank you thank you so it's
another two years of making sure that
Hamilton's voice is being heard at the
aot table and ensuring that municipality
such as ours is getting its fair share
from the provincial government I thank
you again mayor as well as councelor
casar counselor cret and councelor Nan
for joining me um in that advocacy but
also joining you in some of those
delegation meetings um ideally we can
really move the needle on a bunch of
these really huge issues that we have
going on so I thank Council again for
all of your support uh thank you
councelor wing and congratulations again
you did a great job um so councelor
Jackson please go
ahead thanks mayor Horvath a public
service announcement and a historical
reminder the public service announcement
um the Hamilton Hornets rugby
Association that plays up at uh Mohawk
Sports Park one of many organized uh
groups that uh call Mohawk Sports Park
home they're holding their 70th uh
anniversary banquet of existence in our
community uh at carman's banquet hall on
on Saturday September 21st
from 5:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. um I want
to congratulate current president uh
William Redgate and past president Tom
Edwards and their entire executive uh
mayor Horvath um rugby may not be uh in
North America I would say suggest
amongst Mo most sports fans and I'm not
here to uh put in a second category any
that I may not say now but I would think
amongst most sports F fans amongst my
friends the four major North American
Sports watched our hockey football
basketball baseball but rugby has a long
tradition especially with the uh country
of Canada being part of the Commonwealth
and of course rugby is so huge in the
United Kingdom and elsewhere around the
world and so I just want to say they're
a valued Sports member at Mohawk Sports
Park and again their 70th Anniversary
banquet at carman's on Saturday
September 21st 5:00 p.m. to 11: p.m.
congratulations President will
Redgate uh historical reminder mayor
Horvath uh today is uh September
11th um 23 years ago uh I think uh North
America primarily in the US were um
Shell Shocked uh by the bombing of the
towers uh I'm not going to speak to that
mayor Horvath but you and I were on
Council you were just a young budding
star I had been on Council a little
longer at that time and at 9:15 I'll
never forget mayor Horvath on a Saturday
morning at 4:00 a.m. because I was
Deputy Mayor that month that this month
back then God rested Soul Mayor Bob Wade
was at a convention in Halifax and could
not make it back in time I got a call at
4 in the morning from fire chief uh
Glenn peace God Rest his soul as well
he's sadly no longer with us telling me
about the uh torching that occurred at
the Hindu samage on 12 Road in Glam
Brook and as well there had been some
serious vandalism criminal activity at
the mosque up in my ward on Stone Church
uh Road East uh councelor Moren Wilson
uh was with the corporation at that time
as mayor Wade's chief of staff and my
current Council colleagues uh Ted mcmein
was a newly minted MPP at Queens Park
and councelor Brad Clark was a minister
in the Harris government days the rest
of you I'm going to assume were probably
in school and take that as a compliment
um you you'll appreciate that later down
the road
anyways uh mayor Horvath um I attended
the Hindu samage torch temple on 20 road
later that morning I also went to the
mosque on Stone Church bosi at the
temple I met with the leadership uh as
Deputy Mayor Mr subramanian was one of
the me members of the executive of the
Hindu somage community and that was um
that was a pinnacle of hate of bigotry
of
ignorance that came through in violent
activity primarily by Three Goons um in
our city at that time um that just
displayed um how much they resented and
were ignorant of uh exactly the
situation that was happening around the
world and took it out on two innocent
members of our multi-racial multi
religious Multicultural community at
that time out of that mayor Horvath you
were called um you were a strong
supporter as you've always been for
every single member of our diverse
Community to have an equal part and
participation and play in what goes on
in our city and I mean that very
sincerely your record has been
consistent and exemplary you recall the
that mayor Wade um began and spawn the
Hamilton strategic collaborative
initiative brought together dozens of
stakeholders in our community Emergency
Services
departments so many that were at the all
players table to first and foremost
provide an Embrace for the Hindu somage
community of our city that had seen
their place of worship torched for no
reason other than hate and bigotry and
resentment and and through a violent
activity
and the message to the Hindu samaj
Community from all sectors of our city I
was just so deeply proud of every part
of our city every citizen
overwhelmingly um helped that community
in a message of
restoration
reconciliation and and to re and
rebuilding uh of their Temple and told
them and embrace them and put our arms
around them in love and support that our
city would
hopefully never again go through this
Pinnacle of violent hatred bigotry
activity that was taken out on two
places of worship primarily the Hindu
samage temple so mayor Horvath um sad to
say um hatred and bigotry are still with
us today um often covertly
um sadly uh many times overtly this was
one of the worst examples of overt uh
bigotry and um mayor Horvath I would
love to say that we've come a long way
but we still have a lot more to do to
ensure that uh every community group of
ethn cultural racial religious
background is welcomed in our city and
told to um and told and and reminded
that um we want them forever to stay in
our great City and make it even
greater and um I just thought that this
was an important moment in time to share
this as a reminder because so easily as
the years go along the pages fade in our
memory banks but I'm proud to say today
the Hindu samage temple on 20 road is
stronger bigger better than ever and of
course the mosque on Stone Church Road
proudly in my ward has not only grown to
nearly 10,000 and um members that attend
on primarily Friday services but have
expanded the park and lot through City
and conservation Authority support and
our thriving Community as well and again
mayor Horvath you were just a few years
on Council representing War II thanks
again for all you've done consistently
and I just wanted to share with some
newer members of council that may have
not been aware of what we dubbed in
Hamilton 915 thanks mayor Horvath thanks
very much councelor Jackson that was a
very moving reminder of where we've been
where we hoped to have gone and where we
are today very much appreciated I
obviously gave you a little bit of
leeway because it was uh so extremely
important really appreciate your words
um councelor casar please thank you
mayor Horvath just two brief items first
just to remind my colleagues and the
community that the Ancaster Fair begins
next week on Thursday evening the 19th
and Carries On through the weekend so an
invitation to you hope to see you there
it is a well attended Fair
by hamiltonians and
Beyond and secondly I just wanted to
speak briefly about ongoing construction
on Garner Road it's one of the main
arteries through Ancaster uh there is a
large construction project that has been
going for months and will continue for
months uh recently there was a discovery
of unforeseen circumstances on
circumstances on one section of the road
that has taken the oneway westbound axis
and closed it off both ways and as uh
our colleague Morin Wilson said when
construction happens it's never Pleasant
so understandably it's frustrating and
is forcing people to change their daily
routines um it it is a plan closure for
five weeks uh staff are doing um and the
contractor doing the best to move as
quickly as possible but what I would ask
everyone is to be patient with each
other to be patient with City staff and
to be patient with the contractors that
are there on site uh there has been a
lot of he heated rhetoric and and
commentary I would just ask us again be
patient be respectful it may not seem
that there's always activity happening
in a particular spot as you drive by you
know contractors do take breaks there
are breakdowns they have to wait for
parts uh there's a sequencing of things
so just please um take our word that
everything is being done to move things
as quickly as possible and restore
access back as as is expected thank you
m thank you councelor casar uh councelor
n
please thank you mayor um to two things
that I'd like to speak to today under
this privileged opportunity to talk
about matters that matter for each of us
around the table and so first of all I
just wanted to start off acknowledging
that a young neighbor to all of us in
Hamilton has endured some life-altering
injuries as a result of being struck by
a vehicle while she was waiting for a
school bus in the Keith neighborhood in
W
3 as the media reports are stating and
police have clearly identified they're
still investigating the single vehicle
crash and it's known to us that the
driver had uh medical incident that took
place that contributed to this
absolutely tragic situation for our
young
neighbor and to her family her loved
ones to her and her neighbors um to pick
up the pieces after a routine day where
you go to the bus stop to take a bus to
go to school to be struck and injured
and have your life altered is pretty
devastating and I understand that a
fundraiser is being organized and I'll
circulate more information via my social
media channels to support our neighbor
and neighbors as they try to cope with
this moment and prepare for the
long-term healing ahead I also want to
thank director Riel for connecting with
me quickly yesterday to review the
complete streets recommendations for the
area of the accident to ensure that
we're able to implement quickly any
changes that were identified in that
report that could have improved The
Pedestrian safety situation uh in that
area so that report or sorry that motion
will come to Public Works committee
later this month the other item and I do
want to pick up where councelor Jackson
left off is in acknowledgement of
welcoming week which is taking place
September 17th with a big event at the
Central Library between 2: and 6:00 p.m.
and the reason I want to raise it is
that newcomers across Canada and people
who support them are experiencing a rise
in harassment and threats
as the narrative and rhetoric continues
to unfortunately unfold into our
communities that pits one Canadian
against
another and you know I feel personally
obligated to raise this issue as a proud
child of immigrants from a racialized
community that is being directly
targeted in this era in this time yet
again brown skinned not Christian and
our communities are constantly having to
fight to
assert our
belonging in our
communities and so I want to say thank
you to every single
organization and group of people who do
that work day in and day out to make
sure that our
newcomers
refugees and Asylum Seekers feel
welcomed into the sanctuary City
that there is work that they do that we
don't see we often get the reports in
terms of numerical quantitative results
of that effort but we don't get into the
heart in the
story that so many social workers and so
many folks who are dedicated to
supporting newcomers in Canada refugees
and Asylum Seekers the way in which they
hold the heart of so
many who are
traversing various tragedies
and coming to
Canada to seek a new
life and so when these events take place
sometimes there's tons of fanfare around
them and we all do our job as counselors
to support those events um many people
in our community work tirelessly to
support those events I just want to take
a moment to say thank you to the entire
sector and and recognize that this is a
pressure-filled time there is a lot of
rhetoric in our communities
um that that continue to need to be
addressed and for us to continue our
vigilance in seeking not only Equity but
Justice and uh Foster that sense of
belonging so if you can please do
support the various events that are
taking place this week for newcomer day
and welcoming week uh number of
activities across the city thank you a
thanks councelor Nan uh councelor tson
please well it's that time of year again
for the Bim Brook fair this time it's
the
171st Bim Brook Fair that's a lot I I
think that's a number you can't divide
by anything um oh no it' be a three
because you could go 1 plus 7 + 1 is
nine so that means you can divide that
by three okay so going forward with that
I just remembering some of my math from
my teaching days um again let's
celebrate the community's rich in
agricultural Heritage come together for
some good eats and old-fashioned fun
and uh I just want to thank uh the
proactive actions by our HPS services in
order to uh you know be on top of things
and uh always being vigilant to uh make
sure that everyone's having a good fun
and no one gets hurt um also if you get
a little bit overwhelmed of the fair
Friday night Saturday September 14th
joined the Niagara Peninsula
conservation Authority and Earth Day
Hamilton and Hamilton water for a
community planting event at the storm
water facility located at 231 Southbrook
drive so again that's a that's a
community planting there and the event
offers a chance to beautify the
neighborhood and improve storm water
management by planting shrubs and other
vegetables and it will meet the city's
design standards so uh I appreciate that
it's a great opportunity to learn about
the crucial role that facilities play in
protecting our community from flooding
and maintaining water quality so moving
to another more somber event
on Sunday September 15th at 10 A.M on
behalf of the 447
rcfa wing and the 779 air Cadets St
Paul's Anglican
Church uh is inviting people to attend
the annual grave decoration ceremony on
uh this ceremony commences inside the
church it's followed by outdoor service
at the grave of the RAF Airmen who
perished while training on Canadian soil
during World War
II moving to a further event down the
road going to glamr nonprofit housing
it's an open house for seniors and Elder
caregivers on September 24th at the a
building in Bim Brook it's um basically
going to discuss all senior services
that are available in the community and
that ties it up for Glenn L Brook except
for I guess the tireless advocacy by
this counselor to improve our safety on
our streets I met with the Hal halderman
counselors and a independent MPP Bonnie
and Brady Ed at halbrook Road and
Highway 6 and uh we have some good news
that in 2028 they're going to
significantly enhance the uh
intersection uh the ministry has agree
to that we're still pushing that that's
not soon enough so thanks for the
support mayor with that and um thanks to
our traffic department as well and that
does wrap it up thank
you uh thank you councelor tson and good
job there that's that's great great news
um I'm gonna oh I guess I can't pass the
chair over to councelor
Paul's uh so I'll just pass it over to
councilor crutch um just to make a few
comments myself it's really exciting to
uh hear about the events that oh is it
councelor Jackson
or
oh very important for you to sit
silently while the mayor delivers her
remarks you can go for it okay well uh
maybe you can carry on mayor okay thank
you councelor Jackson the prior prior
Deputy Mayor I appreciate that or the
prior deputy mayor from uh the current
one I I'm GNA be very brief though I do
want to say that uh there are a number
see you got me in trouble councel Crut
there are a number of um events that
have been shared by uh the members of
council that's it shows the kind of
vibrancy that's happening in our
community lots of great things to do the
fall fairs are amazing regardless of
which ones you attend so I encourage
folks there's a as we know super crawl
is coming uh this weekend uh so another
great event I would just hope that all
of these events take place in a spirit
of uh of community of friendship of
enjoying each other's company of
inviting visitors uh and and
peacefulness frankly uh and uh just hope
that everyone is able to enjoy a really
great time uh and um and take advantage
of these wonderful events without uh
having anything at all uh to worry about
so I in invite not only hamiltonians but
folks all around the region uh to enjoy
these uh these wonderful events as
described by the counselors so thank you
so much a nice positive summary mayor
Horvat chair back to you uh thanks I'll
take that chair back uh Deputy Deputy uh
mayor Jackson um so then we are so I'm
just looking at the time I think we're
fine we'll go straight on to council
Communications if that's all right with
folks uh and uh we'll ask I'll ask for
counselor Paul's uh to please provide
the motion to receive the council
communication update listing
yes thank you mayor and it's moved by
myself and second counselor Bey that the
communication be confirmed
whatever it says here it Go all
right okay thanks very much the Motions
on the floor moved and seconded duly uh
are there any uh items that folks want
to raise within the council
communication update listing uh or have
them referred to um a standing
committee councelor Wayne
please thank you mayor on item three the
preventional approval of the provincial
planning statement as we have all been
experiencing this has been a moving
Target
for ever essentially since we've started
um perhaps I could ask on public record
what are the red flags of this
particular update just so that we and
the public know that again the moving
Target is still
moving uh that's to GM acting GM Robo
please thank you through Madame mayor to
the counselor the province is indicated
that the new provincial policy statement
will take effect on October 20th 2024
the most significant change with that is
it will then align the provincial policy
statement with the changes to the
planning act under Bill 185 with respect
to allowing individuals to apply for
urban boundary expansions they were
previously um not allowed under the
previous growth plan so that it is
anticipated that any individual who has
lands outside of the urban area and and
is seeking to develop them for urban
purposes we'll be able to make
applications starting we're starting to
see pressures now but we will probably
see more applications coming forward
after that October 20th date um in
addition those are the main policy
changes we are also assessing some of
the changes in the policy direction that
the province has making through the PPS
as they relate to the protection of
employment lands uh we consider
employment areas to be essentially a
neighborhood where people work and spend
a lot of time the provin is rolling back
some of the planning permissions to
allow for supportive uses within those
employment areas I.E maybe a you know a
restaurant in particular or some of
those other uses that are important for
people that spend time there so that'll
have implications in that if they have
to be redesignated to a commercial or
other use they will lose those
protections that we have for that
broader employment area in order to
accommodate all of the needs of the
workers uh but those are the two main
issues associated with the PPS as they
really took facilitating Urban boundary
expansion applications and removing some
of the protection for employment lands
that the city has strived to retain in
order to ensure that our employment
areas remain vibrant and we don't have
land use conflicts thank you thanks uh
acting CH will show anything further
councelor Wayne No I just thank staff
for keeping us updated um because this
is such a complicated issue and it's
something that we've been as new
counselors too we've been grappling
since before we even got into office um
it is
very confusing there is a lot of moving
pieces so I'm thankful to staff for
keeping their eye on this um but it this
is going to affect how we talk about a
frozen Urban boundary absolutely thank
you thanks councelor Wang and I believe
the staff will be bringing a full report
to committee at the appropriate time um
so I don't see any further um comments
or referrals on these communications
items so uh can we then have the the
vote please on this uh matter
that carries 16 to Zero thanks very much
all
uh we are now on to the private and
confidential uh portion of the meeting
uh we'll start with the Clos session
minutes August 16 2024 I have a motion
to approve the close session minutes of
the August 16 2024 meetings as presented
uh moved by councelor spora seconded by
counselor Wang
um can we take the vote on those minutes
please that carries 16 to Zero thanks
very much uh now it's I'm in your hands
council do you wish to move into close
session to discuss item 11.2 the
appointment to the committee uh of
adjustment folks want to do that seeing
no desire to do so then um we are now on
to I'm
sorry okay oh yes the motion on the I'm
just going through my road map here the
motion on the appointment uh can move by
councelor or can you please put your
motion forward councel certainly mayor
Horvath it's moved by Me seconded by
Vice chair of the selection committee
councelor Mark cison that lever Gaddy be
appointed to the committee of adjustment
for the remainder of the 2022 to 2026
ter of council and if I may speak to it
real briefly absolutely please do uh the
selection committee was informed of a
resignation from the committee of
adjustment therefore we went underwent a
process to fill that vacancy hence this
motion thanks very much and thanks for
your hard work it's been a it's been a
hall but great work for yourself and the
entire committee um can we then uh go to
the vote as it's been duly moved and
seconded
and that carries 16 uh to zero councelor
Pauls may I have the motion on the bills
please yes you may and it's Boom by
myself and second by counselor Jeff Bey
that bills number
24158 to number 24 161 be passed and
that the corporate seal be affixed to
and that the bylaws be numbered be
signed by the mayor and the city clerk
thanks very much can we have the vote on
the bylaws please
folks
thanks that carries 16 to Zero thanks
very much and believe it or not 11:28
may I please have a motion to adjourn
move by C
mcmein seconded by councelor
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Pauls anded that Carri 16 to Zero thanks
very much everybody enjoy the rest of
your uh your day thank you
we're
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