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{"text": "changes to the", "start": 47.879, "end": 50.6}, {"text": "agenda hi there yes Alysa golden cultural her program lead um just confirming that there are two changes to", "start": 54.44, "end": 60.84}, {"text": "the agenda to added uh correspondence items that are found under item", "start": 60.84, "end": 66.479}, {"text": "5.1 thank you I have a motion to approve the", "start": 66.479, "end": 72.759}, {"text": "agenda as amended see Andy and", "start": 72.759, "end": 79.479}, {"text": "Carol anyone opposed being none the motion", "start": 80.64, "end": 86.64}, {"text": "carries so do anyone have an interest in any of the items items on today's", "start": 86.64, "end": 93}, {"text": "agenda okay that's good to see so now it's the approval of the", "start": 95.439, "end": 101.28}, {"text": "previous minutes has everyone had a chance to review the minutes as we sent", "start": 101.28, "end": 107.159}, {"text": "out anyone have any concerns or problems with", "start": 107.159, "end": 112.96}, {"text": "them so may have a motion to approve the minutes as presented", "start": 113.28, "end": 119.52}, {"text": "so Susan and Katie Sandra and", "start": 120.119, "end": 126.32}, {"text": "Katie I apologize", "start": 126.719, "end": 134.16}, {"text": "H and just confirming there gr anyone oppos no thank you yep anyone oppos and", "start": 137.08, "end": 142.76}, {"text": "seeing none that motion carries so on today's agenda we have three", "start": 142.76, "end": 148.48}, {"text": "permits so through per applications sorry oh sorry Graham uh just just need", "start": 148.48, "end": 156.08}, {"text": "to item five is the communication items", "start": 156.08, "end": 160.8}, {"text": "first okay because it's on the other order I have it so the communication items that we have uh two items of", "start": 161.159, "end": 169.12}, {"text": "correspondence from Tim pich and Janice Brown the recommendation is to be", "start": 169.12, "end": 176.2}, {"text": "received and referred to the consideration during item 10.3 that", "start": 176.2, "end": 182.04}, {"text": "anyone do we need approval from this one or just need a a move seconder in a seconder please", "start": 182.04, "end": 189.4}, {"text": "yep yeah okay have a mover in a seconder for", "start": 189.4, "end": 194.12}, {"text": "this K Sandra got it right this", "start": 195.04, "end": 200.719}, {"text": "time anyone opposed seeing none the motion carries", "start": 204.08, "end": 210.599}, {"text": "I one to the Heritage prits we have three we'll start with 10.1 is there anyone here to discuss this", "start": 210.599, "end": 220.04}, {"text": "item hi there Graham again Alyssa golden cultureal her program lead um so this is an application for tree removals at uh", "start": 220.56, "end": 228.72}, {"text": "Dunder part four designated site um our colleagues in forestry submitted this application unfortunately they're not", "start": 228.72, "end": 234.64}, {"text": "able to attend this evening and uh staff are Heritage staff are available to answer any questions folks", "start": 234.64, "end": 241.36}, {"text": "mind okay so did everyone get a chance to uh read the", "start": 241.36, "end": 246.56}, {"text": "application do anyone have any concerns with it understand it staff anything special to say", "start": 247.48, "end": 255.159}, {"text": "anything we should know take six trees out oh any yeah", "start": 255.159, "end": 260.519}, {"text": "pretty straightforward um six dead trees one that's partially dead and unsafe as deemed by our expert forestry colleagues", "start": 260.519, "end": 268.44}, {"text": "um the note she provided just identifies the location of the trees and gave some photos of them and we're just looking at", "start": 268.44, "end": 274.6}, {"text": "some standard conditions for this and just any details in terms of any stump removal would come back through staff is", "start": 274.6, "end": 280}, {"text": "what we're proposing okay thank you Andy has a question go ahead yeah", "start": 280, "end": 286.88}, {"text": "just for clarity obviously the trees are um quite dead um is there any provisions", "start": 286.88, "end": 292.96}, {"text": "to replace trees um approximately where they are or or close to um in the at all", "start": 292.96, "end": 300.759}, {"text": "uh through the chair thanks through the chair um so as", "start": 300.759, "end": 307.039}, {"text": "you might recall there was a Heritage permit earlier this year as a part of a larger climate change initiative", "start": 307.039, "end": 312.8}, {"text": "replanting on site so there was a previous approval for I think it was upwards of 16 new tree plantings um", "start": 312.8, "end": 320.44}, {"text": "that's partially coordinated with some of these removals so as a part of this particular application no there's no new plantings proposed but there was a", "start": 320.44, "end": 326.639}, {"text": "previous permit for the site uh that came through this sub commmittee for substantial amount of new plantings on", "start": 326.639, "end": 334.08}, {"text": "site okay thank you very much Alissa anyone else have any questions or", "start": 334.08, "end": 341.479}, {"text": "concerns let's move on to the vote so uh anyone I need a move in a", "start": 342.28, "end": 348.84}, {"text": "second to Carol and", "start": 348.84, "end": 353.639}, {"text": "Andy hey is there anyone opposed seeing none this motion permit carries", "start": 355.759, "end": 363.919}, {"text": "thank you so now we're on the item 10.2 HP", "start": 363.919, "end": 370.68}, {"text": "22436 at 122 McNab Street South it is the Reconstruction of the wooden front", "start": 370.68, "end": 376.68}, {"text": "steps and in kind including painting the new wood steps to match the previous color and selective masonary repointing", "start": 376.68, "end": 385.24}, {"text": "is there anyone here for this item or is the staff going to handle this one as well let me stop s is one through the", "start": 385.24, "end": 391.56}, {"text": "chair yes thank you Graham um so um the this application is retroactive I'll", "start": 391.56, "end": 398.4}, {"text": "note uh work had beun on dismantling uh the steps they were originally supposed to do some repairs and then found an", "start": 398.4, "end": 404.84}, {"text": "extensive amount of rot and had started reconstruction um so this work has begun", "start": 404.84, "end": 410.759}, {"text": "this is a retroactive her permit to come into compliance with the on hertage act um it's essentially replacing the steps", "start": 410.759, "end": 417.08}, {"text": "in kind the uh EX existing previous steps were not Heritage fabric they were", "start": 417.08, "end": 422.96}, {"text": "probably about 25 years old or so pressure treated painted um so this is", "start": 422.96, "end": 429.16}, {"text": "essentially to match they will be painted to match the previous color and the other trim on the property and the", "start": 429.16, "end": 436.4}, {"text": "um masonry pointing that's needed at The Ledger part where the new steps will tie", "start": 436.4, "end": 441.56}, {"text": "back into the existing Stone building um staff have recommended a condition just to make sure that that's in Conformity", "start": 441.56, "end": 448.16}, {"text": "with the city's masonary restoration guidelines um so no concerns on staff's end uh this is essentially to make sure", "start": 448.16, "end": 454.879}, {"text": "that they meet their compliance under the Heritage act and get the appropriate approvals to be able to finish the", "start": 454.879, "end": 461.039}, {"text": "work thank you very much Alyssa okay does anyone have any concerns or questions on this", "start": 461.759, "end": 469.08}, {"text": "matter well seeing none's GNA move in secondary for this", "start": 470.599, "end": 476.12}, {"text": "permit Katie and Sandra", "start": 476.72, "end": 481.12}, {"text": "thank you veryone no thank you and now does anyone is there anyone opposed to this", "start": 485.479, "end": 491.159}, {"text": "motion seeing none that carries thank you very much Lista for", "start": 491.199, "end": 497.199}, {"text": "handling that for us and now we're on to 10.3 HP", "start": 497.199, "end": 503.96}, {"text": "2024 - 033 108 James Street North and 111 to 113 J", "start": 503.96, "end": 511.399}, {"text": "Street uh North the uh FIB theater and it's the demolition of the", "start": 511.399, "end": 518.479}, {"text": "former tives theaters Auditorium and the lobby structures staff will have a brief", "start": 518.479, "end": 524.399}, {"text": "introduction regarding this application before our discussion uh there's a", "start": 524.399, "end": 529.519}, {"text": "number of people on attendance today to speak on this application including from advantis Jason Smith Mitch gold and", "start": 529.519, "end": 535.64}, {"text": "Lloyd Ferguson from Land wides John Edward John and from VG or plus VG", "start": 535.64, "end": 544.12}, {"text": "Bonzi Dan vodic Vanessa Sanchez and Deb", "start": 544.12, "end": 550}, {"text": "Westman oh Alysa you want to go a quick staff youw please okay thanks Graham uh", "start": 550, "end": 556.48}, {"text": "just a brief introduction just for clarification I know that there's a lot of community interest in this", "start": 556.48, "end": 561.56}, {"text": "application and there might be folks listening along watching Along online so just wanted to give some clarification", "start": 561.56, "end": 567.24}, {"text": "on this type of Heritage permit application before the app ANS give uh their presentation today um this type of", "start": 567.24, "end": 573.279}, {"text": "application under the Heritage act to demolish a building or structure that's designated under part four of the ACT uh", "start": 573.279, "end": 579.399}, {"text": "does require a cancel decision so following consultation and advice provided by this subcommittee tonight", "start": 579.399, "end": 586.16}, {"text": "staff will then prepare a report to the main Hamilton Municipal Heritage committee uh there will be opportunity", "start": 586.16, "end": 591.8}, {"text": "of folks uh in the community want to delegate at that meeting um following consideration at that her committee uh", "start": 591.8, "end": 598.279}, {"text": "the recommendation on the application we'll then go to planning committee and then Council for a final decision so", "start": 598.279, "end": 604.32}, {"text": "just wanted to make sure that was clear to folks who might be listening and uh I will pass it over to I believe Deb who", "start": 604.32, "end": 610.76}, {"text": "might be leading tonight's presentation before they start just want", "start": 610.76, "end": 615.959}, {"text": "to let everyone know that the presentation May normally we give five minutes to applicants this one will", "start": 615.959, "end": 621.72}, {"text": "probably run a little bit longer so please be patient and let the applicants finish this one off", "start": 621.72, "end": 629.64}, {"text": "go ahead thank you Mr chair and members of", "start": 630.279, "end": 635.519}, {"text": "the committee I just shared the presentation is it", "start": 635.519, "end": 641.8}, {"text": "visible no it's not uh not yet Deb it could just be delayed just give", "start": 642, "end": 647.519}, {"text": "it a second sometimes there's a bit of a of a lag and if not I can try to share on my end", "start": 647.519, "end": 654.92}, {"text": "I think that's the hi there Deb it's Alissa I'm seeing", "start": 675.72, "end": 681.44}, {"text": "your screen right now so the hair's per review subcommittee page so you might", "start": 681.44, "end": 686.92}, {"text": "just need to share either your or bring your presentation over to that", "start": 686.92, "end": 693.279}, {"text": "screen there we go is that visible", "start": 694.959, "end": 701.72}, {"text": "now we are still just seeing your web page that the subcommittee's agenda page", "start": 703.24, "end": 709.76}, {"text": "right now my apologies for this oh no problem", "start": 709.76, "end": 718.519}, {"text": "um sometimes so you you could try stop sharing and when you click share you can select the particular application you", "start": 718.519, "end": 724.839}, {"text": "want to share so whether that's PowerPoint or PDF or what you might have it in", "start": 724.839, "end": 730.839}, {"text": "thanks to the members for your patience while we just figure out yes I this technical", "start": 753.8, "end": 760.079}, {"text": "difficulty we all live in a zoom world now we understand that not everything works", "start": 762.32, "end": 767.56}, {"text": "perfectly we do and so many different applications right um Deb if you'd like I can try to share on my end would you", "start": 767.56, "end": 774.639}, {"text": "like me to try sure I would appreciate that thank you just doesn't seem the wrong it's just not coming", "start": 774.639, "end": 782.56}, {"text": "up how are we doing now thank you uh yes I can see it can", "start": 788.399, "end": 794}, {"text": "everyone else see the", "start": 794, "end": 796.88}, {"text": "presentation all right thank you then just let me know and I'll advance", "start": 800.199, "end": 806}, {"text": "for you thank you thank you appreciate that um yes welcome uh thank you everyone for", "start": 806, "end": 813.24}, {"text": "having uh us here today um maybe the next slide please Alicia I'd just like", "start": 813.24, "end": 818.839}, {"text": "to introduce the uh applicant team um as as Alysa mentioned we have", "start": 818.839, "end": 825.32}, {"text": "Adventist developments here today landwise urban planning and plus fij", "start": 825.32, "end": 830.88}, {"text": "Architects uh and I'm Deb Westman who uh worked on Heritage architect and worked", "start": 830.88, "end": 836.6}, {"text": "on the um cultural heritage impa assessment next slide please so our goal", "start": 836.6, "end": 843.88}, {"text": "tonight is to um discuss the application for the Heritage permit application", "start": 843.88, "end": 850.519}, {"text": "which is for demolition of the REM remaining Lobby in the auditorium of the tiv theater um and I'm sure you're", "start": 850.519, "end": 857.399}, {"text": "familiar with it but just uh included a couple of images the top one is the view", "start": 857.399, "end": 862.759}, {"text": "from James Street North looking toward the remaining Lobby and uh Auditorium", "start": 862.759, "end": 869.959}, {"text": "uh and the lower image is uh taken from Houston Street so you can see the big uh", "start": 869.959, "end": 875.16}, {"text": "fly gallery of the theater uh just behind the plaza on the lower right next", "start": 875.16, "end": 881.48}, {"text": "slide please so the purpose of this presentation is to provide the committee", "start": 881.48, "end": 888.32}, {"text": "with a brief overview of the Chia and uh some additional information regarding the application 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"please the conditions have changed uh I just wanted to flag a a timeline here", "start": 1104.84, "end": 1110.919}, {"text": "which we provided in the report uh We've added just some other additional timelines showing the 1990", "start": 1110.919, "end": 1118.24}, {"text": "designation the 2004 Demolition and the 2004 designation uh on those dashed", "start": 1118.24, "end": 1125}, {"text": "horizontal blue lines the yellow orangey uh highlight areas basically shows the", "start": 1125, "end": 1133}, {"text": "transfer of property uh so you can see that after the Building closed first one is", "start": 1133, "end": 1139.52}, {"text": "around is in 1989 uh when the transfer property transferred and began transferring", "start": 1139.52, "end": 1146.24}, {"text": "through H um and you can see after 2004 just the amount of transferring that", "start": 1146.24, "end": 1152.64}, {"text": "took place uh and the reason we wanted to flag this is that it has um led to a", "start": 1152.64, "end": 1158.24}, {"text": "decline in and deterioration of the condition of the building uh the blue", "start": 1158.24, "end": 1163.32}, {"text": "box on the lower right you can see is the timeline marched uh in 2022 when it was purchased by", "start": 1163.32, "end": 1170}, {"text": "aventus next slide please uh the as aventus uh purchased", "start": 1170, "end": 1179.52}, {"text": "the property and uh investigated uh the design uh for a new", "start": 1179.52, "end": 1185.64}, {"text": "proposed residential complex they explored various configurations on the property to include the theater", "start": 1185.64, "end": 1191.559}, {"text": "Auditorium uh and also looked at adaptive reuse of the theater for a new", "start": 1191.559, "end": 1197.44}, {"text": "occupany uh they also embarked on uh additional studies to conduct um get", "start": 1197.44, "end": 1203.919}, {"text": "more uh upto-date information on the current conditions uh such as structural", "start": 1203.919, "end": 1209.2}, {"text": "and some environmental um the building including all details and character", "start": 1209.2, "end": 1214.76}, {"text": "defining elements has also been document documented at this point via 3D imaging", "start": 1214.76, "end": 1220.2}, {"text": "um for future reference and use next slide please the building under investigations", "start": 1220.2, "end": 1227.799}, {"text": "that were undertaken as I mentioned was uh structural review um some of the", "start": 1227.799, "end": 1233.72}, {"text": "findings were significant deterioration of exterior brick and clay tile walls on both the interior and", "start": 1233.72, "end": 1240.159}, {"text": "exterior there's uh loss of roof structure Integrity due to Ingress of water which has damaged the gypson based", "start": 1240.159, "end": 1247}, {"text": "deck panels uh and there's roof collapse in areas uh and rebuilding of the roof is", "start": 1247, "end": 1254.559}, {"text": "required uh floor framing requires removal 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{"text": "interpretive Lobby space at ground level with a collection of interpretive materials from the original tiv theater", "start": 2079.2, "end": 2085.76}, {"text": "a dedicated elevator will take visitors to an event space designated in the Grandeur of the tiv theater Auditorium", "start": 2085.76, "end": 2092.04}, {"text": "interior with extensive views of the city of Hamilton uh and its significant", "start": 2092.04, "end": 2097.2}, {"text": "landscap Beyond next slide", "start": 2097.2, "end": 2103.44}, {"text": "please thank you that wraps up our this portion of the", "start": 2103.52, "end": 2109.28}, {"text": "presentation uh if there's any questions um I'd be happy to answer", "start": 2109.28, "end": 2116.4}, {"text": "them or our would be happy to answer them okay well thank you very much for your display want remind the the members", "start": 2116.4, "end": 2124.2}, {"text": "of the perm Review Committee it was mentioned several times Carriage House it's not a carriage 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conditional approval of the application that that could be a condition that", "start": 3075.96, "end": 3082.24}, {"text": "would come back through staff but it would be up for the subcommittee to consider whether any further details", "start": 3082.24, "end": 3088.359}, {"text": "amendments or changes to that potential draft condition uh be proposed as a part of your", "start": 3088.359, "end": 3094.52}, {"text": "deliberations thank you for the verification Alissa okay so now we see Matthew's back", "start": 3094.52, "end": 3100.599}, {"text": "we gonna try your question how are we now chair ah", "start": 3100.599, "end": 3106.52}, {"text": "beautiful great uh sorry for that inance there um yeah uh and I know I just uh", "start": 3106.52, "end": 3113.96}, {"text": "arrived back when there was some discussion about the uh uh the statues", "start": 3113.96, "end": 3119}, {"text": "so uh my apologies if this has been asked already um so my understanding is that the the Steven Dal report 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unfortunately no I'm not aware of a of a similar situation to be", "start": 3178.28, "end": 3184.839}, {"text": "able to to point to or um a sort of comparable situation in terms of", "start": 3184.839, "end": 3191.16}, {"text": "displaying statues um in terms of the material itself uh so I would say", "start": 3191.16, "end": 3199.68}, {"text": "that the clarification of the material does not impact its Heritage value it's a part of the inal Italian Renaissance", "start": 3199.68, "end": 3207.079}, {"text": "style of the original Motif and design of the theater however to um the points", "start": 3207.079, "end": 3213.2}, {"text": "made during the applicant's presentation in terms of the reality of what the potential alternatives are to actually", "start": 3213.2, "end": 3218.839}, {"text": "Salvage because we now know it's plaster and the hazardous materials and other challenges with that um now recognizing", "start": 3218.839, "end": 3226.68}, {"text": "the material of the statues I think that is relevant in terms of just understanding what is feasible and what", "start": 3226.68, "end": 3232.079}, {"text": "uh mitigative approaches and interpretation and conservation approaches are available to", "start": 3232.079, "end": 3238.799}, {"text": "us that your question Matthew yeah thanks CH okay any followup follow on to that", "start": 3241.52, "end": 3251.76}, {"text": "one okay seeing none we head on to Carol you're you're girl okay", "start": 3256.88, "end": 3264}, {"text": "um yeah I um I read the CH report", "start": 3264, "end": 3269.599}, {"text": "especially the condition report which I know that a lot of The Proposal rests on", "start": 3269.599, "end": 3274.96}, {"text": "the condition report and the statement that um the uh restoration of this", "start": 3274.96, "end": 3282.48}, {"text": "particular part of uh an original theater is um uh not not feasible um I", "start": 3282.48, "end": 3291.44}, {"text": "actually uh know that it's expensive um and and 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an", "start": 3435.52, "end": 3440.599}, {"text": "owner takes uh possession of a property with a designated building um the the", "start": 3440.599, "end": 3447.64}, {"text": "whole point is that they know they're going to have to maintain it um everyone", "start": 3447.64, "end": 3452.72}, {"text": "knows that when they buy it but there is a terrible Trend in this city and other", "start": 3452.72, "end": 3458.119}, {"text": "other places although I've never seen it quite as bad as in this town where um owners do buy uh properties with", "start": 3458.119, "end": 3465}, {"text": "designated buildings and I can't really direct this at the owner of this", "start": 3465, "end": 3470.319}, {"text": "property right now because they only had it for a few years and I have spoken with them actually when they bought", "start": 3470.319, "end": 3476.68}, {"text": "about their plans uh they seemed very very um you know interested in", "start": 3476.68, "end": 3481.88}, {"text": "incorporating it but um you know it's it's just too often that um that people", "start": 3481.88, "end": 3489.68}, {"text": "who who have uh designated properties on their uh on their well designated", "start": 3489.68, "end": 3495.799}, {"text": "buildings on their properties um do uh delay um restoration even maintenance uh", "start": 3495.799, "end": 3503.28}, {"text": "maintenance at all heat all of these basic basic things that you know keep the building from rotting and uh leave", "start": 3503.28, "end": 3511.2}, {"text": "it until it falls down and it's interesting that we're talking about this when uh we just had of course you", "start": 3511.2, "end": 3517.599}, {"text": "know everybody knows about the gore buildings which we fought to save for", "start": 3517.599, "end": 3522.799}, {"text": "years um have just collapsed and uh I know that I did review I worked on uh", "start": 3522.799, "end": 3530.799}, {"text": "saving those with the with the group that you know work very hard and then", "start": 3530.799, "end": 3537.64}, {"text": "um you know we we had we had permits I did see the just like this study I did", "start": 3537.64, "end": 3545.64}, {"text": "see the uh proposed drawings of what they were going to do with it and uh I", "start": 3545.64, "end": 3550.96}, {"text": "said this looks fabulous as a matter of fact it was in the newspaper that you know somebody from permit review said", "start": 3550.96, "end": 3556.48}, {"text": "this is a great great U proposal and then of course the abilities fall down", "start": 3556.48, "end": 3561.559}, {"text": "so you see it's really um it's difficult uh to be in a position which I believe", "start": 3561.559, "end": 3567.72}, {"text": "is responsible on a on a committee like this where uh you know you you are um", "start": 3567.72, "end": 3574.64}, {"text": "sort of recommending you're you're kind of trying to get to the bottom of things and people are are saying things that", "start": 3574.64, "end": 3581.119}, {"text": "they don't they don't plan on doing that's that's neither here nor there maybe now when I'm giving uh my my", "start": 3581.119, "end": 3588.24}, {"text": "points here but you know I think I'm trying to sort of um ask uh the other", "start": 3588.24, "end": 3596.039}, {"text": "call the other side now because I'm like a total Heritage uh preservationist", "start": 3596.039, "end": 3601.319}, {"text": "person um but I can understand the dilemmas that face owners but I want you", "start": 3601.319, "end": 3607.64}, {"text": "to see in a way uh what is happening around us what we keep seeing what we", "start": 3607.64, "end": 3613.48}, {"text": "keep dealing with and what we keep putting our energy into and uh it is really to help the owners that's what", "start": 3613.48, "end": 3619.839}, {"text": "we're we're here for and uh it doesn't seem to be working because we lose everything uh or at least a lot of", "start": 3619.839, "end": 3626.4}, {"text": "everything except maybe somebody red do a veranda which is nice but anyway I", "start": 3626.4, "end": 3632.48}, {"text": "know I'm sounding very cynical and I'm sorry for that but probably the building's falling down um but the other", "start": 3632.48, "end": 3639.599}, {"text": "thing I want to point out and ask is and this is a bit to staff uh is that the", "start": 3639.599, "end": 3645.2}, {"text": "recreation of a facade which to me is another kind of bonus um you know that", "start": 3645.2, "end": 3651.44}, {"text": "you want to play against um tearing the building down you want a Recreation of a", "start": 3651.44, "end": 3657.599}, {"text": "of a carriage Factory facad on James yeah I've seen these uh Recreations as", "start": 3657.599, "end": 3663}, {"text": "well and I saw the drawing and I understand the drawing in the study is not going to be what it looks like but", "start": 3663, "end": 3668.52}, {"text": "I'm telling you you can't recreate it so it just looks pretty terrible uh I don't", 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you're dealing with the permit Review Committee", "start": 3718.52, "end": 3723.599}, {"text": "but you will be dealing with the public and Council as well on this because um I", "start": 3723.599, "end": 3729.319}, {"text": "think that you know they've seen that a lot of this has happened and uh people are going to be um uh especially the", "start": 3729.319, "end": 3737.4}, {"text": "Beasley neighborhood association which the building or the site is in Beasley and tomorrow night there's a meeting and", "start": 3737.4, "end": 3744.4}, {"text": "uh I remember when diamon uh which was the owner in", "start": 3744.4, "end": 3749.52}, {"text": "the late uh teens like around I think we met with him 20 not him his son um Diane", "start": 3749.52, "end": 3757.599}, {"text": "dent and I uh we met with him and uh he wanted to put up uh two 20 story 21", "start": 3757.599, "end": 3765.119}, {"text": "story towers and I remember that um the BNA a meeting was very well attended and", "start": 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3908.359, "end": 3914.92}, {"text": "been so anyway I know that I'm sort of going around in circles but uh I hope", "start": 3914.92, "end": 3920.839}, {"text": "I've gotten out the main points and the questions about things like you know uh", "start": 3920.839, "end": 3928.079}, {"text": "being able to staff making sure that that the um the recreation part is uh is", "start": 3928.079, "end": 3936.599}, {"text": "not just um you know a token um not to say that", "start": 3936.599, "end": 3943.24}, {"text": "that's why you do it but you know what I'm saying okay uh Alyssa honey do you have something to", "start": 3943.24, "end": 3949.4}, {"text": "say you got thank you Carol yes through the chair just to speak to that so um uh", "start": 3949.4, "end": 3955.24}, {"text": "in terms of what we would potentially see if this was conditionally approved and there was a requirement for a", "start": 3955.24, "end": 3961.88}, {"text": "conservation strategy there would be component in terms of 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told us not to put anybody on the roof because they could go through it and U", "start": 4795.52, "end": 4802.199}, {"text": "you know health of safety is a is a very important issue in these types of structures everything else and we'd all", "start": 4802.199, "end": 4807.96}, {"text": "hate to see what happened on King Street happen here and uh we're trying to prevent that while we go through this", "start": 4807.96, "end": 4813.96}, {"text": "very comprehensive process but the owners have a lot of experience in Heritage buildings if you ever been to", "start": 4813.96, "end": 4819.6}, {"text": "the Ancaster Mill they restored that that's their site the Cambridge Mill", "start": 4819.6, "end": 4824.76}, {"text": "same thing the Aur Mill same thing and they restored all those to their to to", "start": 4824.76, "end": 4832.48}, {"text": "and repurpose them into really nice restaurants and so they surround", "start": 4832.48, "end": 4837.52}, {"text": "themselves with the right 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4878.44, "end": 4883.76}, {"text": "questions it's real shame we couldn't be here uh any other committee members want to followup verification any more", "start": 4883.76, "end": 4892.96}, {"text": "concerns no we roll", "start": 4898.6, "end": 4902.8}, {"text": "done oh that was a little quicker and easier than I thought oh", "start": 4904.36, "end": 4911.04}, {"text": "listen go ahead thanks thanks to the chair if I may so um in the note sheet", "start": 4911.04, "end": 4917}, {"text": "provided to you by staff there is um potential draft conditions if the", "start": 4917, "end": 4922.36}, {"text": "subcommittee is interested in potentially moving a motion to approve the application subject conditions I can", "start": 4922.36, "end": 4928.84}, {"text": "pull those up uh if that is sort of where people are leaning or you can also move a motion we would need a a decision", "start": 4928.84, "end": 4936.52}, {"text": "and advice from the subcommittee on how this should be processed at this meeting before uh we then move on to the main", "start": 4936.52, "end": 4943.48}, {"text": "Heritage committee um so I'd be happy to pull up those draft conditions if folks would like to consider them as a part of", "start": 4943.48, "end": 4949.199}, {"text": "your deliberation yeah and once we read them we can if we wish suggest", "start": 4949.199, "end": 4955.48}, {"text": "more or clarification of and fact could just Mr chairman add", "start": 4955.48, "end": 4961.52}, {"text": "one more thing then I'll be quiet is that um I forgot another important building that the current owners have", "start": 4961.52, "end": 4968.6}, {"text": "just signed anou for that's the Toronto Hydro building in Niger Falls the one that's right up against the river the", "start": 4968.6, "end": 4974.719}, {"text": "Big Stone building they've now um signed throws of finalizing the contract to", "start": 4974.719, "end": 4981.719}, {"text": "restore that into what's the same similar type of thing a very iconic building and so that just again sets out", "start": 4981.719, "end": 4989.4}, {"text": "their experience and the trust in their experience that the Niger Falls um Niger", "start": 4989.4, "end": 4995.04}, {"text": "Parks have put into it thank you", "start": 4995.04, "end": 5000}, {"text": "okay so we have the conditions before us the conservation strategy including", "start": 5005.44, "end": 5010.92}, {"text": "conservation plan rotation plan documentation Sal report and guidelin everyone read it ourselves when we read", "start": 5010.92, "end": 5016.44}, {"text": "it up for so get a chance read through it get it in your mind what's there and", "start": 5016.44, "end": 5024.6}, {"text": "what's not there because sometimes that's just as important as what is there", "start": 5024.6, "end": 5030.639}, {"text": "anyone have any questions with these", "start": 5054.76, "end": 5058.44}, {"text": "conditions uh Carol", "start": 5061.36, "end": 5065.56}, {"text": "hi sorry um I was reading it and now I can't see it so um I was just wondering", "start": 5071.239, "end": 5077.76}, {"text": "P yes oh yeah if I could just like get the other two points I missed if I could read those thank", "start": 5077.76, "end": 5087.48}, {"text": "you see", "start": 5088.88, "end": 5092.88}, {"text": "oh uh yeah I have a question on this um on the first condition and that is that", "start": 5107, "end": 5115.32}, {"text": "that um it says it it ask for these things a strategy including all these", "start": 5115.32, "end": 5120.84}, {"text": "things a strategy in accordance with the recommendation of the", "start": 5120.84, "end": 5126.04}, {"text": "Chia um so the Chia I find uh recommends", "start": 5126.04, "end": 5134.76}, {"text": "demolition so then we're asking for a conservation", "start": 5134.76, "end": 5140.88}, {"text": "strategy um cons uh with it considering it's going to be demolished I mean", "start": 5140.88, "end": 5146.56}, {"text": "according to the Chia 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on this application would be to approve with no conditions or uh to", "start": 5356.8, "end": 5362.8}, {"text": "recommend refusal um so Graham you can make a call to see if anyone wants to move one of those", "start": 5362.8, "end": 5369.199}, {"text": "other recommendations yeah yes so does anyone wish to proceed with a", "start": 5369.199, "end": 5376.119}, {"text": "recommending recommending and seconding denying the permit as applied", "start": 5376.119, "end": 5383.199}, {"text": "for you have a move in a second sorry I didn't quite understand that de mind", "start": 5383.199, "end": 5388.56}, {"text": "okay so the first time we asked remover and seconder was to approve for the permit based upon the", "start": 5388.56, "end": 5395.239}, {"text": "recommendations we saw on the screen no one wished to move them so now we're", "start": 5395.239, "end": 5400.32}, {"text": "looking for people if anyone wishes to make a motion to deny the permit that", "start": 5400.32, "end": 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voting in favor to refuse as per the motion okay okay well thank you very", "start": 5472.159, "end": 5479.8}, {"text": "much guys I really thank you really appreciate the effort you put into this I'm sorry for the applicants", "start": 5479.8, "end": 5487.6}, {"text": "because came before us and didn't get it through so what's our next steps", "start": 5487.6, "end": 5493.8}, {"text": "Elissa thanks through the chair so this sub subcommittee's advice will uh go", "start": 5493.8, "end": 5499.159}, {"text": "into our staff report the next step with this Heritage permit application is consideration at the main in Heritage", "start": 5499.159, "end": 5504.96}, {"text": "conver 13th is the next Heritage committee meeting um so we're targeting that meeting for the staff report at", "start": 5504.96, "end": 5511.52}, {"text": "which point uh we would like to have the applicants present again I think there's some important questions and feedback", "start": 5511.52, "end": 5517.199}, {"text": "that we heard today that they can um look to potentially incorporate when they present at the main in Heritage committee uh and following that the", "start": 5517.199, "end": 5524.199}, {"text": "advice of that and recommendation on the application will then proceed to planning committee and Council for a", "start": 5524.199, "end": 5529.36}, {"text": "final decision thank you for your support today and your assistance Alyssa really", "start": 5529.36, "end": 5534.639}, {"text": "appreciate it thanks Austin at the deep end here for the first", "start": 5534.639, "end": 5541.52}, {"text": "one so I guess we are done for the night then you have one last step Graham you need to look for a motion to adjourn yes", "start": 5541.52, "end": 5550.239}, {"text": "a motion to adjourn Mo inor see Carl and Katie again we'll continue on with that", "start": 5550.239, "end": 5555.719}, {"text": "group okay thanks gra thank you everyone for uh taking the time reading the reports and putting your 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